Newsgroups:alt. yogananda, alt.yoga, alt.meditation,
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since this my email identity is deleted - please help me to clean up
my old posts and give me another chance for a restart in my life.
THANK YOU
Mike Dubbeld
"Hans Schande" <hans-s...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:ce63b1f8.02110...@posting.google.com...
dropping causes if errors have become aware is step 1 to create peace before
being able to re-establish the free flow of divine love.
any desire of any person wishing to clean up HIS life shall always be
fulfilled by reasonable persons - specially if they consider themself
spiritual or spritual disciples ( or "gurus" )
i will post on that topic of HIS cleanup later on - as HIS problem has to
do with the same origin as the problems of OTHERS here.--->>
multiple personalities / email identities ;-)) - many of them ;)))
as a result of suppressed or denied or rejected aspects of own being.
hans
Yada Yada wrote:
--
hans
Cyberspace Ashram
www.kriyayoga.com
WHO IS HANS NEUKOMM?
Beloved Friends,
It is with sadness that I bring the news of Mr. Hans Neukomm's
fraudulent claims and deeds unbecoming of someone posing as a
spiritual master who is only interested in loving everyone with the
love of God.
HIS "GURU"
First of all Lahiri Mahasaya, whom Mr. Neukomm boldly claim to be his
Guru died a hundred and seven years ago. I'm sure that even Mr.
Neukomm's grandfather wasn't yet born at that time. This is outright
fraud. How can Mr. Neukomm be a disciple of someone whom he never met,
never knew and never knew him? This isn't how Kriya Yoga is
transmitted. Lahiri Mahasaya have duly-empowered successors. There are
various bona fide lines of Lahiri Mahasaya that exist even to this
time. Lahiri Mahasaya need not personally descend and teach one Mr.
Hans Neukomm Kriya Yoga. One example of such a line is that of Sri
Daya Mata. Sri Daya Mata is a disciple of Paramhansa Yogananda,
Paramhansa Yogananda was a disciple of Swami Sri Yukteswarji, Swami
Sri Yukteswarji was a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Another line is
that
of Swami Sadhanananda. Swami Sadhanananda is a disciple of Swami
Bhavananda Giri, Swami Bhavananda was a disciple of Swami Sri
Yukteswarji,
who was in turn a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Shibendu Lahiri, the
dynastic heir of Lahiri Mahasaya's Kriya Yoga is touring the west on a
regular basis. Shibendu Lahiri is the son of Satyacharan Lahiri,
Satyacharan Lahiri was the son of Tinkouri Lahiri, Tinkouri Lahiri was
Lahiri Mahasaya's son. Hans Neukomm's claim of being a direct personal
disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya is preposterous to say the least. Even his
claim of spending many previous incarnations with him doesn't justify
it. According to his own Gita Translation, Paramhansa Yogananda was
Prince Arjuna in a previous life. Paramhansaji was also open about Sri
Yukteswar's being St. Francis of Assissi in a previous incarnation.
but still Paramhansa Yogananda
needed to get initiation from a living master Sri Yukteswar, and Sri
Yukteswar needed to get initiation from a living master Lahiri
Mahasaya.
This is the truth. Mr. Hans Neukomm doesn't have a valid lineage to
back his guru business up, so he concocted his own, plain and simple.
But how will people notice when he will plaster your face with
countless "I love yous" and "God bless yous". Mr. Hans Neukomm's claim
of being Lahiri Mahasaya's disciple is a blatant lie.
DOES MR. NEUKOMM REALLY LOVE YOU?
This is a valid question considering that Mr. Neukomm is living a very
luxurious life travelling and spending hard -earned disciples' money
to pay underage prostitutes. This has been attested by his own
disciples and even mentioned in his website that is filled with long
and winding blabbing that leads to nowhere. And they are tolerating it
because to them it is just one of their guru's way of expressing his
great "love" for everyone and everything. Hans' organization is a sex
cult:
Taken from his website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/newsletter200112-7.htm
"I arrived in the Philippines in the early March, 2001
with small amount of money, but in my opinion enough
to pay for a tree-week stay in a hotel and have
several dollars per day for all the rest. At that time
Hans was living near San Fernando in a cottage next to
the beach. I reached his place in the evening and took
a cottage next to him. He was out somewere. I took a
shower and went to sleep. I was sleeping when I heard
his voice and a minute later he knocked on my door.
With an infinite joy in my heart I opened the door and
fell in his arms. After a big hug he offered me to
continue my rest and meet each other next morning for
breakfast. For my surprise he was with a girl.
I agreed and went back to bed. But I could not asleep
listening to the noise in his cottage. And after a
while...O MY GOD !!! They started making SEX! Skies
fall onto my head.I was shocked. My mind was
overloaded thinking.How can a guru do such thing? One
of the first reactions was to catch my flight back to
USA and start my search for guru/god again. That night
I was teared apart. But the TRUTH did enter my
personality at last. All my doubts were cleared up
after the breakfast next morning. There was so much
Divine Love that even my mind surrendered and I
prepared myself to enjoy my guru's love for the
remainder of my stay. But obviously it was time to
learn- to become husband, father, lover and helper."
Poor blind follower of Mr. Neukomm. Hans is married and has two
daughters, how can this disciple of Mr. Neukomm learn how to become
husband, father, lover and helper from a philadering bloodsucker like
Hans?
HANS TEACHINGS
Taken from Mr. Neukomm's website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/oralsex.htm
a man bows to the "WOMEN" inside his wives / partners by being able to
kiss her pussy (vagina) with such great devotion and love that she can
easily have an orgasm. this proofs full acceptance of HER being
"different" from male - her being truly female - hence of OPPOSITE
nature than the man himself. while the women in such love practice is
required to truly be in peace with herself being a female being and by
being fully relaxed to completely OPEN and accept her husband bowing
to her in such a truly spiritual way. if the woman fails to fully open
for her partner - then she may fail to experience an orgasm as a
result of herself failing to ACCEPT his true divine love ! every true
female woman loves that and enjoys it again and again - and EVERY
spiritual woman NEEDS this proof of true love again and again for her
spiritual healing and of course for a happy fulfilling partnership !!
the female sexual organs are of receiving nature - specially the
uterus has a powerful large chakra to absorb metaphysical energy GIVEN
by the man during sex including oral sex. it is this male energy
flowing INTO the spiritual being of a woman that finally causes the
orgasm of a woman in ALL sexual practices between men and women. the
woman NEEDS to truly LOVE that man to fully OPEN for his love and that
man needs to have TRUE spiritual love in order to be able to GIVE such
love that creates an orgasm within the woman. an orgasm is a temporary
union of two astral bodies - and for more advanced spiritual couples
of two causal bodies.
no matter what the reason and purpose of a marriage is or was - one
day every woman is starving for that ultimate proof of love. even if
in some cultures or religions such proof or sexual practice has been
completely suppressed - one day - now or in a later incarnation that
woman may search for something missing ... and finally find it and
escape any present marriage or partnership that existed for any reason
of abuse what so ever. true love needs to be proven ! again and again
and for eternity !! the thirst for true love and a possible missing
proof of such true love in a given partnership always is stronger than
and material benefits present and causes both partners to be attracted
toward the final and eternal love partner - sooner or later.
a woman bows to the "MAN" inside her husband / partner by giving him a
"blow job" - by sucking his penis and FULLY absorbing all energy
metaphysical and physical ( semen = physical love ) flowing out of her
partner's penis. this requires HER to be fully open to accept his love
and ABSORB love within HER female being - she either can absorb all or
NONE - never metaphysical love only and rejecting physical love ! this
oral sex however also requires the man being fully relaxed and ready
to GIVE ALL to his wife - it also requires that HE feels the his love
is WELCOME by his wife / partner. he needs to FEEL that his love is
"good enough" for his wife and that she loves it. of course such can
only be done by a woman who is in peace with her sexual woman inside
as well as that man needs to be in peace with his sexual role as a man
!
every man who may presently feel and BE abused as a source of
financial support or as a jump board for a females career may sooner
or later miss this ultimate proof of being loved as a simple man. just
remember the very recent story in the late 90-ies of the previous
millennium of a young woman and a president of a large American
country - that man was abused by his married wife as a jump board for
her future career and at the same time this man as a president was
missing simple true love from a female being. no career, no position,
no money ever can replace true love in all its divine aspects for any
extended period. the thirst and hunger for true love bursts one day
all limits and finds a suitable source for fulfillment. that young
woman who gave that president the proof of true love was his true
eternal partner. karma has separated them and the search for love by
each soul still has kept them physically close enough to find each
other - at least until the weird and very ill sexual mentality of that
country destroyed ( or postponed ) a possible happy-end !
I noticed that westerners are so quick to fall prey on someone
capitalizing on love and God. Please understand that is the oldest
trick in the book. It is very easy to say "I love you" to anyone
specially in the Internet, more so if you that is how you make your
living. But this "I Love You" cult of Mr. Hans Neukomm is no different
than the Love Bug or "I Love You" virus that destroyed millions of
dollar worth of computers throughout the world. All of a sudden you
find an email entitled "I Love You" on your inbox, you open it and
voila! Its a virus. How gullible people are. And now this is being
repeated again in the story of Hans.
"HANS' KRIYA"
Mr. Neukomm offers an online initiation on "Kriya Yoga", according to
him it is the same Kriya taught by Lahiri Mahasaya. This is not true.
The so-called "Kriya Yoga" in Mr. Neukomm's website doesn't even
remotely resemble real Kriya Yoga as taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and his
successors.
When you are ready the Guru will come. One's job is to prepare for the
Guru's coming, not to look for the Guru.
Please forward this email to others whom you believe are in the
process of being brainwashed by Mr. Neukomm. Now he is inviting others
to come and spend Christmas in the Philippines. This is his new
racket. It would be a very expensive activity and a very dark
prospect. He is saying that it would be cheap, I know better, I live
there. Would you be one of those who would go to that other side of
the world just to be coached by Mr. I Love You on how to do oral sex
and worship him? It's your choice. Cults survive because of gullible
people.
Affluence, health and inner peace to you and your loved ones!
May you be liberated in this lifetime.
Brother Brahman-Atmananda
Hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<aq8udu$7fk5f$1...@ID-16196.news.dfncis.de>...
Hans wrote:
> as you see it has already happened !
> ;-)
> true love ALWAYS can do miracles ...
...
...
> i will post on that topic of HIS cleanup later on - as HIS problem has to
> do with the same origin as the problems of OTHERS here.--->>
>
> multiple personalities / email identities ;-)) - many of them ;)))
> as a result of suppressed or denied or rejected aspects of own being.
>
>
> hans
>
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somehow my first attempt to post seems to have got lost - if one day it
appears double then sorry and keep ;-))
so here again:
- --------------
beloved ones
some of you have been reading silently - others might have been amused smiled
every now and then and others got somehow involved ... or excited and heated
up ... ;-))
in some posts BBA making statements without knowing any facts at all and posts
from others .. some of them using fake identities to serve BBA's purpose of
creating troubles - trouble sometimes bounce back - just like a boomerang
;-)) and such boomerang can often be the only healing medicine as all loving
attempts may have been rejected.
for those who have been contacted by some of the a.m. persons and miss he
final points - here the URL - including some facts about fake identities used
during this scenario. for those of you who understand german - you may see
how finally the person indirectly admits that his "multiple" identities got
somehow out of control ... ;-))
http://www.kriyayoga.com/god/noel3.html
- - - - to bring all this to an end before Christmas peace starts on earth.
with love and bliss
hans
- --
hans
cyberspace ashram
www.kriyayoga.com
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Below is a fairly recent article about the Philippines taken from
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_44/b3806149.htm
"Arroyo declared victory too soon. Since the beginning of October, the
nation has been shaken by four separate terrorist bombings, leaving 14
people dead. Three of those attacks took place in the city of
Zamboanga--a comfortable 800 kilometers from the capital. But on Oct.
18, a blast ripped through a public bus in Manila, killing two and
shattering the illusion that the security problem was confined to the
south. On Oct. 23, police arrested five members of Abu Sayyaf in the
Zamboanga attacks, but no one has yet been charged in the Manila
bombing. "This brings things a lot closer to home," says a
Manila-based Western diplomat."
"The attacks make it that much harder for Arroyo to focus on the
Philippines' economic problems. Swept into office in January, 2001,
after President Joseph Estrada was ousted in a corruption scandal,
Arroyo promised to repair chronic budget deficits, relaunch government
privatization and infrastructure projects, and bring back fleeing
foreign investment. Bright, well-educated--the 55-year-old former
vice-president has a PhD in economics--and considered squeaky clean,
Arroyo presented a welcome change from Estrada, a womanizing former
movie heartthrob known for cronyism and lax management."
"Instead, the President has been forced to devote her energies to
security. In the spring of 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped an American
missionary couple and dozens of others. In November, a separatist
group on the southern island of Jolo launched an insurgency. Then the
U.S.--focusing on the Philippines as a suspected center of al
Qaeda-inspired terrorism--sent 1,000 troops to help track terrorists.
And now Arroyo must face the bombings."
"While she battles the terrorist monsters, economic problems have
festered. Unemployment today stands at 11.2%, virtually unchanged from
her inauguration. Although Arroyo promised to fight poverty, 44% of
Filipinos still live on less than $2 a day--the same level as when she
took office. And she has failed to reverse a five-year slide in
foreign direct investment."
"True, the economy is expected to grow 4% this year, thanks to a
strong rebound in exports of electronics. But that growth masks the
spreading rot underneath. More than 17% of loans by Filipino banks
were listed as nonperforming in August, up from 14.9% when Arroyo took
office. And by July, the fiscal deficit had exceeded Arroyo's target
for the entire year. Rampant tax evasion is part of the problem, but
critics say that tax receipts won't increase so long as graft pervades
everything from customs to motor vehicle registration. Corruption "is
incredibly widespread," says Edgardo J. Angara, leader of the
opposition Laban Ng Demokratikong Pilipino party. Jose Isidro N.
Camacho, Arroyo's Finance Secretary, counters that tax collection was
nearly on target in September, although he concedes there has been a
shortfall for most of the year. "We are continuously improving the
[tax] agency's performance," he says."
"Plans for privatization have also bogged down. The proposed sales of
Philippine National Bank, Manila Electric Co., and the state monopoly
National Power Co. are all stalled. And even if the sales were to go
forward, buyers might be scarce. "In the wake of Bali and the local
bombings, who is going to want to buy them?" asks Robert Broadfoot,
managing director of Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd. in
Hong Kong.
One sector that's already suffering: tourism. The Makati Shangri-La
luxury hotel in Manila's business district has seen 450 cancellations
just in the last two weeks. "We've definitely lost a lot of bookings,
and it's directly linked to the bombings," says general manager
Richard W. Riley. Japan has warned its citizens to avoid bars, and
concerts by touring Western music groups have been cancelled."
Note that Mr. Neukomm doesn't belong to any valid Kriya Yoga
sampradaya and is an absolute persona non grata in Kriya Yoga.
EXCHANGE BETWEEN BRAHMAN-ATMANANDA AND NEUKOMM IN alt.yoga:
Hans Neukomm <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DA3C8CD...@kriyayoga.com>...
> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to
> whom it may concern -
> including the poster HERE of the email circulating
> authored by Brother
> Brahman-Atmananda.
>
> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS
> that you have
> WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !
We are PRECISE, Neukomm, A ZILLION TIMES MORE PRECISE THAN YOU. A fact
need NOT be witnessed in person for it to become a fact. For example
someone can know for a fact that you have eyes, ears, nose, mouth,
hands, feet and that you are a white guy. Even if he haven't
personally witnessed it. That is a FACT, isn't it? (Or are you going
to have one of your limbs amputated or have your skin dyed just to
disprove it?). That is why human beings are blessed with COMMONSENSE
(something that you obviously lack), as well as intuition. You're
CONCEPT of what is and what is not fact is VERY TWISTED, Hans. You're
an idiot.
>
> while many know you here in this news group and know
> that you like to
> lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no
> obvious reason at all,
Never, I never uttered a single lie, Hans. But you, you have proven
yourself to be a real liar. Here is one example:
From: hans (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-15 07:11:08 PST
commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions
- and a waste of time !
---end---
If we are to follow this statement then we are to conclude that if
Hans comments on something then it must be right. Because he said that
commenting on wrong statements is out of his intentions and a waste of
his time. But you see Hans commented on my statements again and again.
Using basic commonsense and following his own (il)logic then that
would mean that our statements are right.
The above words also connote that Hans will give no further comments.
Why? Because it is out of his intentions to comment on statements
which he view to be wrong, and besides he sees them as a total waste
of time. But do you know the real reason why? Because he want to
create this image of superiority, hence the extremely braggart,
"commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions
- and a waste of time !" But LOOK BELOW, because after he posted the
above message Hans' couldn't resist the ITCH to post MORE!
From: hans (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-17 20:57:18 PST
Dr. Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
there is no reason for me to further respond to any of your posts in
THIS thread. it certainly got out of YOUR self control.
silence and meditation may be best.
hans
---end---
But it was Hans who was pushed out of his own self control by THIS
thread, because after just one hour of posting the above message Hans
REPLIED AGAIN, eating his own confident AFFIRMATION that he will not
respond again.
From: Hans Neukomm (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-17 21:13:29 PST
the truth NEVER has to be proven - the truth IS - however the liar has
to rectify his lies - sooner or later in an efficient and suitable
method if ever he wants to end his cycle of reincarnation.
i can easily take FULL and eternal responsibility for all my
publications !
---end---
Now Hans, the sex-cult guru and mr. inconsistent par excellence,
didn't only eat his own pompous promise twice, he is now saying that
the truth NEVER has to be proven. But if you will just scroll a bit on
this post you will see that Hans is DEMANDING PROOF (which I will of
course address one by one). He even typed the word "proof" in
uppercase letters. Hans' is the most SELF-CONTRADICTORY person I have
ever known, and the most deceitful LIAR. Why? Simply because he has
made it his profession to lie. Hans will not eat if he will not lie.
He won't be able to afford young prostitutes if he will not lie.
>
> some may be new and have no experience and knowledge
> about you and may
> deserve FACTS - true facts and spiritual help
> instead of insults and
> gossip !
LOL I never gossip, Neukomm. All of my words are based on the
information provided in your own website.
>
> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
>
> in order to proof that you KNOW what you are writing
> about, please
> provide the following details within the shortest
> possible time, and
> since you authored the below email you should have
> ALL facts instantly
> available:
>
> 1. please give a direct link to MY diksha page to
> PROOF that you at
> least know the full content and details of diksha
> given on my web site
Yes it is http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/diksha.htm
>
> 2. please give a direct link to any or all chapters
> where i "boldly
> claim" (your words) in any PUBLIC chapter or
> publication on my website
> that Lahiri Mahasaya or any other great saint of
> past centuries is my Guru.
My pleasure, Neukomm:
Neukomm wrote:
"for example one has given MY name as the first guru - another one MY
GURUDEV LAHIRI MAHASAYA" taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/newsletter200112-4.htm
HANS NEUKOMM'S FANTASIES: LIES AND DECEIT OF AN OUTRIGHT FRAUD EXPOSED
Neukomm wrote:
"after one of my initial nirbikalpa samadhi resulting in full
god-union MY
GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA said "now god is your guru" at first I was
sad for a few seconds or minutes, then I realized how much love his
words contained. he considered myself as his disciple to be brought
back to god while being on earth - then he gave me freedom in god to
solve all and any further questions directly with god. hea realized
that he accomplished his "mission" as my guru. he still remains my one
of my closest and very best friend on earth since we have "travelled"
for thousands of years through this planet and elsewhere."
"the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace ashram is the
traditional technique as being taught by MY GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA -
with the exception of kechari mudra - the reason to exclude kechari
mudra is explained on the initiation page and is a very valid and
absolute reason." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html
---end---
Note: Lahiri Mahasaya did teach Kriya Yoga with Kechari, this very
words of his offers another kind of proof (other than his claim of
being a direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya) , it proves his total
ignorance of Lahiri Mahasaya and Kriya Yoga.
Neukomm wrote:
"I went trough a large number of earthy experiences first. later after
my first nirbikalpa samadhi, I realized how loving this guru would
have been toward myself. my soul was asking for the exactly same guru
as before that's what I finally got, even my PREVIOUS GURU DIDN'T HAVE
ANY MORE PHYSICAL BODY HE
APPEARED TO ME AND CONTINUED TO BE MY GURU until I realized
god-union." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/answers/faq1a.htm
Neukomm described Lahiri's sickness and referred to him as "my
gurudeva":
"MY GURUDEVA GOT FOR A FEW WEEKS A TUMOR it healed quickly and he was
healthy again. with his short illness he dissolved most of the karma
of hundreds of his disciples, making it much easier to them to achieve
godunion."
---end---
the householder-incarnation of Lahiri Mahasaya was drawing to a close.
During the summer of 1895 his stalwart body developed a small boil on
the back. He protested against lancing; he was working out in his own
flesh the evil karma of some of his disciples. Finally a few chelas
became very insistent; the master replied cryptically:
"'The body has to find a cause to go; I will be agreeable to whatever
you want to do.'
"A short time later the incomparable guru gave up his body in Benares.
No longer need I seek him out in his little parlor; I find every day
of my life blessed by his omnipresent guidance." Sri Yukteswar
describing Lahiri Mahasaya's final days to Yogananda, from chapter 36
of Autobiography of a Yogi, 1946 edition
---end---
Now, Hans Neukomm will you still DENY your stupid claim of being a
direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya? A person whom you never met, never
knew and never knew you.
And by the way I never said that you claim any great saint of past
century to be your guru save Lahiri Mahasaya. You are being deceitful
again, mr. sex-cult guru. You have been exposed and we will
continually expose you. We are even building a page in our site
specially for you, what an honor eh? Wait for it, okay?
>
> 3. please give a direct link to any or all pages
> where i claim that the
> kriya yoga technique offered BY ME ON MY WEB SITE is
> the original FROM
> LAHIRI MAHASAYA !
My pleasure. Here it is:
Hans Neukomm: "the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace
ashram is the traditional technique as being taught by my gurudeva
Lahiri Mahasaya." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html
I will answer the rest of this stupid, stupid message from the
sex-cult guru and criminal Hans Neukomm later. I have to attend to my
profession first. Because, unlike Hans Neukomm, I don't feed on alms.
Brother Brahman-Atmananda
Hans Neukomm <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3006672.R...@gott.liebe.om>...
;-)
needless to restart all over again.but funny to see how BBA gets back here all
the time ;-))
all follow up HERE below - out of alt.yoga !
http://www.kriyayoga.com/god/noel3.html
or by direct email from person to person !!!!!!!!!!!!
may peace and love prevail now here in this NG.
god bless you all
hans
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hans
cyberspace ashram
www.kriyayoga.com
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