The Right Dog for Me
R&SB
moving soon to the Southwest, probably the mountains of Arizona. Temps
there range from single digits in the winter nights to nineties in the
summer days.
We will be living on a small ranch with horses and perhaps chickens. We
also
will have our cat who is moving west with us. She's an elderly quiet
ladylike
cat. Our previous dog was a collie who lived to be fifteen. We didn't
replace
her because we've been talking about moving for several years. We've
finally
bit the bullet and put the house on the market.
Anyway, I want a companion dog, one that will be inside at night and outside
with me during the day. A dog that will sit quietly around while I'm
working
horses or cleaning the barn. A dog that gets along well with other animals
and a
variety of visitors. I don't want a really small or toy breed, I don't want
a
really large breed, although Bermese Mountain Dogs do sound intriguing.
I also want a rescue dog, I do not want a puppy.
I may also consider getting two dogs, one a smaller breed for a house dog,
one a larger breed for an outdoor dog. We will have either a fenced yard
or put in an invisible fence.
One of my pet peeves is people who get dogs then allow them to run loose to
terrorize the neighborhood. I live next to people like that!
Sue
@spamxexcite.com Support Your Community Band
"R&SB" <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> I need some suggestions as to the right breed for me. >
MIght I suggest you go to akc.org and sniff around the site to find a dog
show in your area. There will easily be over 100 breeds of dogs there and
just about anyone will be willing to tell you the pros and cons of their
breeds. They may also tell you a lot of **bad** things about certain
breeders and other breeds, so just tune out the inevitable gossip. Don't be
put off if the dog you are interested in is being frantically groomed and
the groomer doesn't take the time to chat. Stop by after the judging and
the person may be more chatty!
Based on your post, I would advise focusing on the herding and working
groups. The herders range from smallish (shelties and corgis) to large
(German Shepherd Dog, Collie etc.) and many mediums. Same thing for the
working dogs.
Since you are planning on having chickens you might want to avoid all of the
sporting dogs, although lab mixes are plentiful and may not be too inclined
to go after a chicken. Keep in mind that I am extremely biased toward the
sporting group dogs (less the cocker spaniels) but I do realize they are not
the right dog for everyone or every situation.
After you identify a breed you think you want and complete your move,
contact the breed rescue coordinator or keep an eye on petfinder.com. It
shouldn't take too long to come up with the dog you want. Keep in mind that
most pure breed rescue groups are picky, so don't feel you are being
insulted, we just have a greater concern for the well being of an already
abused dog than trying to dump a dog on the first person who e-mails us!
Be aware that invisible fencing may or may not be a positive indicator.
Some people say they are OK, others do not. I am not that nuts about them
becasue they do not stop unwanted/univited animals from ENTERING the
property.
Hope this helps. Bless you for considering a rescue. Post again after you
have settled and decided which dog to adopt. (BTW, mutts need love, too)
Good luck on your move. I have been changing houses myself. It is a drag,
and ending up with two extra rescue dogs was not a timely occurance, but
that's what we do.
chuck petterson
rescue bus driver
R&SB
"Support Your Community Band" <chuck_petterson @ spamxexcite.com> wrote in
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Our collie mix was a wonderful dog, a pound rescue. I don't want to go
through the whole mess with raising and training a puppy that might turn
out to have a personality that doesn't fit with our lifestyle.
Currently, I'm in contact with a Springer Spaniel rescue and, after we
are relocated and settled, there is a nice middle aged farm raised ESS
that I plan to apply to adopt. She sounds exactly like what I want,
with lots of experience with other farm animals.
Sue
@spamxexcite.com Support Your Community Band
Springers are a great breed. I like their temperment. Good luck and post
whenyou get settled!
chuck petterson
The Puppy Wizard
"Support Your Community Band" <chuck_petterson @ spamxexcite.com>
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>
> "R&SB" <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:4wSkb.5222$W16...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> > I need some suggestions as to the right breed for me. >
Well, chuckie IS the man to ask...
> MIght I suggest you go to akc.org and sniff around the site
> to find a dog show in your area. There will easily be over
> 100 breeds of dogs there and just about anyone will be
> willing to tell you the pros and cons of their breeds.
Yeah... for a nice unbiased opinion from a ETHICKAL breeder.
> They may also tell you a lot of **bad** things about certain
> breeders and other breeds, so just tune out the inevitable
gossip.
Oh? But accept the BULLSHIT you LIKE? Like S/N and
HURTIN dogs to train them, chuckie?
> Don't be put off if the dog you are interested in is being
frantically
> groomed and the groomer doesn't take the time to chat. Stop by
> after the judging and the person may be more chatty!
Or they'll be GONE.
> Based on your post, I would advise focusing on the herding
> and working groups.
That so?
> The herders range from smallish (shelties and corgis) to large
> (German Shepherd Dog, Collie etc.) and many mediums. Same
> thing for the working dogs.
Well, good for you, chuckie.
> Since you are planning on having chickens you might want
> to avoid all of the sporting dogs, although lab mixes are
> plentiful and may not be too inclined to go after a chicken.
You're full of CRAP, chuckie. You wanna learn HOWE
to TRAIN a dog not to MOLEST chickens?
> Keep in mind that I am extremely biased toward the
> sporting group dogs (less the cocker spaniels) but
> I do realize they are not the right dog for everyone
> or every situation.
Keep in mind that chuckie is a IMBECILE and a DOG ABUSER.
> After you identify a breed you think you want and complete
> your move, contact the breed rescue coordinator or keep
> an eye on petfinder.com.
Oh yeah, all HOWER dog lovers support petfinder... to
disavail dogs who NEED TRAINING instead of ABANDONMENT.
But we gotta keep the wheels on your bus greased, don't we,
chuckie.
> It shouldn't take too long to come up with the dog you want.
RIGHT. A trip to the local KILL SHELTER might be a WIZE idea.
> Keep in mind that most pure breed rescue groups are picky,
No, they're mostly MENTAL CASES like chuckie.
> so don't feel you are being insulted,
By DOG ABUSERS???
> we just have a greater concern for the well being of an already
> abused dog than trying to dump a dog on the first person who
> e-mails us!
You're FULL OF CRAP, chuckie.
YOU HURT DOGS.
> Be aware that invisible fencing may or may not be a positive
> indicator. Some people say they are OK, others do not. I am
> not that nuts about them becasue they do not stop
unwanted/univited
> animals from ENTERING the property.
But you got NO PROBLEM for SHOCKIN a dog, eh chuckie?
> Hope this helps.
INDEEDY!
Your own words EXXXPOSE you as the DOG ABUSER you really are.
> Bless you for considering a rescue.
And bless you chuckie for SHOCKIN DOGS.
> Post again after you have settled and decided which dog to
adopt.
To get MOORE advice from HOWER DOG ABUSERS and
MENTAL CASES, chuckie?
> (BTW, mutts need love, too)
IMAGINE?
> Good luck on your move. I have been changing houses myself.
> It is a drag, and ending up with two extra rescue dogs was not a
> timely occurance, but that's what we do.
What you do is ABUSE dogs and call it RESCUE, chuckie.
> chuck petterson
IDIOT, DOG ABUSER.
> rescue bus driver
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
HOWEDY lostwithiel,
"Lostwithiel" <lostw...@elves.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I wonder if anyone can help me.
You mean you ain't had ENOUGH yet, lostwithiel?
> I had 2 cocker spaniels till last weekend -
Good for you. We LOVE dogs here abHOWETS.
> when my poor boy was run over and had to be put to sleep......
EXXXCELLENT! Good for you!
> I dont' want to say anymore about that -
You ain't gotta say noMOORE abHOWET that... it's
all in The Puppy Wizard's Archives. You've been
mishandling and unintentionally abusing your dogs
since day WON.
Dogs run HOWET on their HOWESES for the same
same same same reason kids and spHOWESES RUN
HOWET on their HOWESES... cause they ain't HAPPY.
> it's too recent and too sad.....
Ain't nuthin TOO SAD to DISS-CUSS.
> What I'm worried about is my other dog.
BEWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
So you're back for someMOORE of the same
same same same that got your other dog DEAD?
Are you a slow learner, or are you a MENTAL CASE?
Oh, that's EZ to figger HOWET:
From: Lostwithiel (lostw...@elves.com)
Subject: Re: Hello - Not staying!
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic
Date: 2003-10-21 04:22:35 PST
If we all waited before we were stable to post here,
it would be a very empty newsgroup......
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SEE? It's NOT YOUR FAULT!
> Holly had been with Jakey all her life and she really misses
him.
EZ come, EZ go, eh lostwithiel.
> She's calmed down incredibly -
You mean she's DEPRESSED. That's on accHOWENT
of her PAL just GOT DEAD on her... that's NORMAL.
Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. He'll tell you all
abHOWET HOWE dogs and people GRIEVE, he
makes his living off of DEAD DOGS. You got fifty
bucks for eddie to help spread the WORD that The
Puppy Wizard is a LIAR?
> walks everywhere instead of running - won't touch her
> favourite types of rawhide - and just mopes around the
> place.
Yeah... Perhaps if you TALK to her abHOWET her DEAD
PAL you'll relieve her depression.
> We've had her in bed with us at night since Jake's accident -
> and she just curls up behind my legs - but my husband now
> wants her to sleep back outside in the hallway.
Right.
From: Lostwithiel (lostw...@elves.com)
Subject: Re: sitting
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic
Date: 2003-10-22 00:50:23 PST
Poor little Boogz and Bad Bad Martin - I'm angry with
him too and I don't even know him - lol!
It sounds like we should introduce Boogz to Holly - they
could both schnuggle with each other. Poor Holly - she
misses Jake so much.
We put her outside of our room to sleep last night - though
with our door open and just barred with a child-gate type thing.
Did she howl!
I really wanted to go and get her but SO rightly said that she's
got to get used to sleeping in her basket again ..... :(
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Perhaps you can let her HOWET in the yard for a few
minutes unsupervised so she can ESCAPE and JOIN
her DEAD PAL?
> Do you think that's too soon?
You mean too soon to let your other dog GET DEAD?
You're askin the same liars, dog abusers, and MENTAL
CASES who told you HOWE to train your other DEAD
DOG to GET DEAD ON YOU... and you're back for MOORE???
THAT'S a SHORE SIGN of MENTAL ILLNESS.
> Should we keep her with us longer?
You should get rid of your dog so she don't get KILLED.
> Or should we harden our hearts and keep her outside again?
BWEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> Last night he tried to put her in her basket in the
> hallway and she just howled until he let her back
> into the bedroom ;)
Yeah... GOOD LUCK!
> Thanks!
BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
BOTH THESE GUYS GOT DEAD DOGS CAUSE THEY
DIDN'T BELIEVE THEIR Puppy Wizzzard TILL IT WAS
TOO LATE:
"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not
here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm
the one who ignored your advice.
I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept
the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my
dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence...well,
then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days
on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A
Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't
chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two
collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in
the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog.
She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her
desire to stay in the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing
cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and
its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep
my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a very
loud
cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8 month old
son.
Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a hold
on for dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two boys
went through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his
own room and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has been
driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming.
A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows
shut <g> being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves
crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to use it.
He answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~
teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I
realized after a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end.
This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands his
share of all meals. But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when
he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves were
frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off!
I turned it back on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy
calmed back down and quit screaming.
In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts come
to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie. He's a
yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very
friendly with my kids and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the
methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things that
are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get
advice whenever I need it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is
working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows
alot about radios and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all
trades around the house <g>). He does NDT for a living.
We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is
walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal.. some
kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
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<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
R&SB
> Sue,
>
> Springers are a great breed. I like their temperment. Good luck and post
> whenyou get settled!
Thanks, I will. I did a lot of thinking about different breeds, I like
what I've seen of ESS and I think this little lady will fit right in.
Sounds like she will get along with our resident cat who will
be traveling cross country with us.
S