Is there a way to raise HDL with supplements?
M. Schwartz
kind of supplement?
Mel
Paul Chefurka
High-dose niacin will do it (1.5 to 3 grams/day) but check with your doctor
because it can affect your liver enzymes. Policosanol will do it as well,
with fewer side effects but at greater expense.
Paul
Brad Sheppard
at first. See www.drmirkin.com or go to the American Heart Assoc.
website for dosage and side effects - it is OTC. I'm on Lipitor and
now have a great lipid profile - 139 chol, 55 hdl, 51 trig. Then again
I exercise over one hour/day. My profile was 250 chol, 40 hdl, 250
trig.
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tintinet
> kind of supplement?
>
> Mel
Yes.
http://www.loweringcholesterol.net/show/raise-hdl-cholesterol
tintinet
> kind of supplement?
>
> Mel
Yes.
http://www.loweringcholesterol.net/show/raise-hdl-cholesterol
tintinet
I went from a low carb diet with TC of 105 mg/dl and HDL of 55 mg/dl
to a low carb type diet with at TC of 155 mg/dl and HDL of 105 mg/dl.
I was also taking some nicianamide during the time of the second test.
Brandon Berg
"Brad Sheppard" <Br...@sheppardsoftware.com> wrote in message
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> Niacin and perhaps a drink a day. Niacine causes flushing, at least
> at first. See www.drmirkin.com or go to the American Heart Assoc.
> website for dosage and side effects - it is OTC. I'm on Lipitor and
> now have a great lipid profile - 139 chol, 55 hdl, 51 trig. Then again
> I exercise over one hour/day. My profile was 250 chol, 40 hdl, 250
> trig.
Why are you taking statins when your cholesterol is at what could arguably
be considered a dangerously low level?
Brad Sheppard
A chol of 141 is low by American standards. I recall reading that the
avg. Japanese chol was 120 before their diet was westernized.
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M. Schwartz
Thanks for the very interesting link above. They seem to indicate that
carbohydrates are one of the reasons my HDL is low. I have to read
more but I would assume they are talking about refined carbohydrates.
I have recently taken more interest in the kind of carbohydrates
eaten. I have been eating white rice although I find it difficult to
believe that is lowering my HDL or interfering with my 10 mg of Zocor
from raising the HDL level. Perhaps I should try brown rice instead.
I don't eat table sugar but have been eating fruit juice sweetened
cookies and yogurt sweetened with milled brown sugar. I cut out both
those products and now eat plain unsweetened low-fat and non-fat
yogurt. Perhaps my next cholesterol test will show an improvement in
HDL. I am adding more fish (salmon and sardines) to my diet and will
also get some fish oil capsules.
My LDL (under 100) and total cholesterol (around 150) are fine.
Homocysteine level is 5.9 but my HDL hovers around 35.
I am quite slim so weight is not a factor.
My stomach is fairly sensitive to Niacin and I don't like using that
product since it can cause problems.
Mel
tintinet
I didn't have any stomach problems with niacinamide, but there
apparently are toxicity issues. As far as carbohydrates, as I noted in
a related post, my old diet was low fat, high carb, although very low
refined carb, and my cholesterol was 105 mg/dl with an HDL of 55
mg/dl. After switching to a low carb diet, my total cholesterol was
155 mg/dl with an HDL of 105 mg/dl. I don't know if it was the low
carb diet or the niacinamide that caused the change, and I haven't had
my levels retested since stopping niacinamide.
Steve Harris
Obviously because he started out with cholesterol
dangerously high.
Consulting his doc and cutting his Lipitor dose in half and
rechecking later is an option. Generally the target has been
LDL of 100.
On the other hand, if there are no side effects or enzyme
abnormalities noted, there is not as yet any evidence that
you can lower cholesterol "too much" with statins. If
anything, the evidence is the reverse-- in secondary
prevention trial in both stroke and MI, those with lower
cholesterols to begin with benefited from statin therapy
nearly as much. And of course they went even LOWER than they
had started.
SBH
M. Schwartz
My understanding is niacinamide does not work like niacin.
Are you saying your HDL zoomed from 55 to 105 and total cholesterol
went from 105 to 155 when changing your diet?
When going to a low-carb diet, did you eat more fats? What kind of
fats?
Do you exercise?
Mel
Brad Sheppard
arteries is possible. Until I was 35, I eat a very poor diet - eggs,
sausage, etc - so there's a good chance that my arteries are less than
ideal.
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Chris Jain
> apparently are toxicity issues. As far as carbohydrates, as I noted in
> a related post, my old diet was low fat, high carb, although very low
> refined carb, and my cholesterol was 105 mg/dl with an HDL of 55
> mg/dl. After switching to a low carb diet, my total cholesterol was
> 155 mg/dl with an HDL of 105 mg/dl. I don't know if it was the low
> carb diet or the niacinamide that caused the change, and I haven't had
> my levels retested since stopping niacinamide.
I believe it is niacin, not niacinamide, that you want to take for
cholesterol levels.
tintinet
Yes, my HDL went up quite a bit after I changed to a low carb/high fat
diet. I eat alot more fat, now. Fish fat (salmon, tuna, herring
(sardines), flax seeds (ground in coffee grinder just prior to
eating), high omega 3 eggs, nuts, a little cheese, peanut butter (no
sugar added).
I exercise the same amount I always have, perhaps a bit less,
although, I must admit, I'm kind of an exercise junky.
Brad Sheppard
Olive oil and fish oil can raise HDL levels. I eat a tin of sardines
stored in olive oil every day - so I kill two birds with one stone.
You're wise to get rid of refined carbs and replace them with whole
grains, fruits and veggies. Exercise and alcohol (one drink) may also
work. "Olive oil works its magic by lowering the bad cholesterol
without affecting the good cholesterol, so the overall ratio of LDL to
HDL favors a lowering in heart-disease risk. Olive oil also might make
LDLs more resistant to damage by oxygen fragments called free
radicals. Since damaged LDLs are more likely to stick to artery walls
and contribute to atherosclerosis, improving their resistance to
"oxidation" is an important step in lowering disease risk. Finally,
olive oil contains compounds called polyphenols that further lower
your risk for heart disease, as well as possibly reduce your risk for
other health problems, such as cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes,
and high blood pressure. " www.webmd.com
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M. Schwartz
Looks like the only fiber is from flax seeds. High omega-3 eggs? I
haven't seen them. Peanut butter is good for you? Is there omega-3's
in peanut butter?
Okay, how about some ideas like what you have for breakfast, lunch,
and dinner?
Mel
tintinet
I
> haven't seen them. Peanut butter is good for you? Is there omega-3's
> in peanut butter?
I also get fiber from vegetables (no potatoes, corn or other grains as
a rule), and fruit (predominantly berries) as well as some from soy
foods and nuts.
I don't believe there are omega 3s in peanut butter. Walnuts have some
omega 3 oils, I believe.
High omega 3 eggs are available at my supermarket. I assume they are
fairly widely available in the US.
>
> Okay, how about some ideas like what you have for breakfast, lunch,
> and dinner?
>
> Mel
I don't completely go for the idea one can consume any type of low
carb diet, and I attempt to cook with olive oil and canola oil and
avoid alot of red meat, especially any nitrite/nitrate cured processed
meats, alot of dairy fat, etc.
Breakfast: omlet with vegetables, soy foods (some of them are actually
not bad), or smoothie with whey protein powder, nuts, flax seed,
berries, a little guar gum for soluble fiber and thickening, and a
little cellulose powder for more insoluble fiber. Oat bran might be a
better choice for lipid profile effects, but I haven't gotten any,
yet.
Lunch: usually salad or other vegetables with a salmon dish.
Occasionally chicken, turkey, etc. See alt.support.diet.low-carb or
search for low carb cookbook or recipes for other ideas- they are
endless.
Dinner: similar to lunch.
Junk food: Low carb Nacho Chips (Keto brand), which, I find, taste
similar to regular Nacho Chips although the consistency is different
and takes a bit of getting used to, at first. These are quite high in
fiber and unsaturated fat and soy protein.
Sweets: I tried low carb chocholates/bars, but found them generally
unsatisfying. Some of the candy type chocolates are not bad, in small
amounts, but I haven't felt the urge to eat any of those for months
now.
The low carb cheesecakes one can make can be pretty good, but I don't
often make or eat them.
tintinet
Yes. I wasn't taking niacinamide with any intention of altering my
cholesterol profile.
tintinet
> haven't seen them. Peanut butter is good for you? Is there omega-3's
> in peanut butter?
>
> Okay, how about some ideas like what you have for breakfast, lunch,
> and dinner?
>
> Mel
Recipes:
http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/LowCarbohydrateCooking-Recipes.htm
M. Schwartz
The question was what do you have for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
All I was asking for was just a fews days of what you eat.
I looked briefly at the link above but when I saw bacon, well, I
quickly looked away.
Mel
Jennifer
According some medical research,
Clin Excell Nurse Pract 2000 Sep;4(5):272-6
Dietary fiber and type 2 diabetes.
"Water-soluble fiber appears to have a greater potential to reduce
postprandial blood glucose, insulin, and serum lipid levels than
insoluble fiber. Viscosity of the dietary fiber is important; the
greater the viscosity, the greater the effect. "
The konjac glucomannan is the most viscosity soluble fiber in nature.
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tintinet
> > > > Looks like the only fiber is from flax seeds. High omega-3 eggs? I
> > > haven't seen them. Peanut butter is good for you? Is there omega-3's
> > > in peanut butter?
> > >
> > > Okay, how about some ideas like what you have for breakfast, lunch,
> > > and dinner?
> > >
> > > Mel
> >
> >
> > Recipes:
> >
> >
> > http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/LowCarbohydrateCooking-Recipes.htm
>
> The question was what do you have for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
> All I was asking for was just a fews days of what you eat.
See the prior post.
>
> I looked briefly at the link above but when I saw bacon, well, I
> quickly looked away.
>
If all you saw there was bacon, you didn't look very hard.
Paul Chefurka
What's the problem with bacon (in moderation, of course)? And how about
those recipes for Lobster Salad in Endive, Curried Pumpkin Seeds, Salmon
Mousse with Cucumber Sauce, Pepper Steaks with Brandy Mustard Sauce,
Balsamic Chicken, Cream of Almond Soup etc. etc. ? They almost make
low-carb sound healthy and appetizing, no?
I'll jump in with a sample low-carb day. For breakfast I might have a hot
flax-meal porridge made with whey protein, or scrambled eggs with cheddar
cheese and grained Dijon mustard (I like the Omega-3 eggs, they're tastier
and have a firmer texture than regular eggs) - or even (horrors) bacon and
eggs. For lunch, maybe a bowl of salmon salad made with Sockeye salmon,
real mayonnaise and dill relish. For dinner it might be grilled pork chops
or a T-bone steak, with broccoli or brussels sprouts or fauxtatoes (a
mashed-potato lookalike made from cauliflower and cream cheese), and a
caesar salad. Wonderful tasting stuff, and all of it good for me :-)
Paul
Rita
wrote:
>I'll jump in with a sample low-carb day. For breakfast I might have a hot
>flax-meal porridge made with whey protein, or scrambled eggs with cheddar
>cheese and grained Dijon mustard (I like the Omega-3 eggs, they're tastier
>and have a firmer texture than regular eggs) - or even (horrors) bacon and
>eggs. For lunch, maybe a bowl of salmon salad made with Sockeye salmon,
>real mayonnaise and dill relish. For dinner it might be grilled pork chops
>or a T-bone steak, with broccoli or brussels sprouts or fauxtatoes (a
>mashed-potato lookalike made from cauliflower and cream cheese), and a
>caesar salad. Wonderful tasting stuff, and all of it good for me :-)
>
>Paul
Perhaps. Time will tell.
M. Schwartz
> You may try konjac glucomannan soluble fiber.
> According some medical research,
> Clin Excell Nurse Pract 2000 Sep;4(5):272-6
> Dietary fiber and type 2 diabetes.
> "Water-soluble fiber appears to have a greater potential to reduce
> postprandial blood glucose, insulin, and serum lipid levels than
> insoluble fiber. Viscosity of the dietary fiber is important; the
> greater the viscosity, the greater the effect. "
> The konjac glucomannan is the most viscosity soluble fiber in nature.
What is konjac glucomannan?
Mel
M. Schwartz
> Mel,
>
> Olive oil and fish oil can raise HDL levels. I eat a tin of sardines
> stored in olive oil every day - so I kill two birds with one stone.
> You're wise to get rid of refined carbs and replace them with whole
> grains, fruits and veggies. Exercise and alcohol (one drink) may also
> work. "Olive oil works its magic by lowering the bad cholesterol
> without affecting the good cholesterol, so the overall ratio of LDL to
> HDL favors a lowering in heart-disease risk. Olive oil also might make
> LDLs more resistant to damage by oxygen fragments called free
> radicals. Since damaged LDLs are more likely to stick to artery walls
> and contribute to atherosclerosis, improving their resistance to
> "oxidation" is an important step in lowering disease risk. Finally,
> olive oil contains compounds called polyphenols that further lower
> your risk for heart disease, as well as possibly reduce your risk for
> other health problems, such as cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes,
> and high blood pressure. " www.webmd.com
Brad, do you have any concern about the rancidity of the olive oil in
the sardines? I know the can is sealed, but it's the process of how
the oil gets in the can that concerns me.
Mel
Brad Sheppard
I haven't given it much thougt. Can't you tell rancid oil from taste?
Katra
Brad Sheppard wrote:
>
> Mel,
>
> I haven't given it much thought. Can't you tell rancid oil from taste?
M. Schwartz
> Mel,
>
> I haven't given it much thougt. Can't you tell rancid oil from taste?
I don't think so. From what I've read, once you open a bottle of oil
it becomes rancid and oxidizes, unless perhaps some antioxidant is
supplied. I don't think there are any antioxidants used at the places
where sardines are packed in olive oil.
Jennifer
or oat bran. There is one kind Japanese food called shirataki noodles
which was made by konjac glucomannan, the noodles similar to the
Chinese glass noodles
http://www.konjacfoods.com/product/noodles.htm
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Katra
Rancid Olive oil smells and tastes stale, like stale cereal or freezer
burned food.
The fish is pressure canned and there is no oxygen getting to it. The
can would either have to have a leak, or the oil they are being canned
with would have had to be bad to begin with.
You worry too much Mel. :-)
K.
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M. Schwartz
> Yes, you can tell, and it takes *time* for oil to become rancid.
>
> Rancid Olive oil smells and tastes stale, like stale cereal or freezer
> burned food.
>
> The fish is pressure canned and there is no oxygen getting to it. The
> can would either have to have a leak, or the oil they are being canned
> with would have had to be bad to begin with.
>
> You worry too much Mel. :-)
Maybe you're right. But my cats love sardines packed in water without
added salt and snub their nose at sardines in olive oil.
I'll get better as soon as my prescription for Valium is picked up.
:-)
Mel