Why numbers?
V.Gopal
> I have a serious fundamental brain fart. Why are quantities the basis
> of math and thus science and thus all knowledge? This may be touching
> upon one of the key inquiries of modern thought. I hope not. What is
> it about quantities that make them so representative of the universe?
> Forget it. This question is unanswerable. It is too deep. I don't
> know. I am so confused.
Numbers are key to nature otherwise no prediction would be possible.
But everything in nature is not simply 'quantity', each 'quantity'
has a quality. 'Quality' is relative and we cannot use it in any
calculation. Both 'quantity' and 'quality' are continuous variables.
In nature reality is a product of quantity and quality, and, reality
is a single 'expression' of God. A single word, or number or figure
in the positive communicable language cannot carry/communicate both
quantity and quality at the same time. Reality in nature undergoes
change but the symbolic representative of the reality on paper does
not undergo change on paper. What all these things indicate is that
even a seemingly harmless desire to communicate knowledge would compel
us to project a world-view in which nothing causes any change and
nothing undergoes any change and all changes are reversible - we can
put every process of change in the reverse gear at the same cost!
Predictability and our ability to repreoduce effects prove that God
cannot perform miracles. Is there anybody who is willing to seek the
truth unconditionally even when its attainment would entail heavy
sacrifices in toil and happiness, simply to prove that the nature is
the source of wisdom, with no other advantage? I donot think so.
Moufang Loop
>
> mpl...@wpi.edu (M Plumer) wrote in message news:<580c8f26.02110...@posting.google.com>...
> > I have a serious fundamental brain fart. Why are quantities the basis
> > of math and thus science and thus all knowledge? This may be touching
> > upon one of the key inquiries of modern thought. I hope not. What is
> > it about quantities that make them so representative of the universe?
> > Forget it. This question is unanswerable. It is too deep. I don't
> > know. I am so confused.
> Numbers are key to nature otherwise no prediction would be possible.
But prediction _isn't_ possible.
ML
Ms O. Philia
> "V.Gopal" wrote:
> > Numbers are key to nature otherwise no prediction would be possible.
>
> But prediction _isn't_ possible.
>
> ML
From the standpoint of Laplacian determinism, that the instantaneous state
of the universe at any time uniquely determines its state at any other time,
the holoverse at each time quantum makes a 100% accurate prediction of the
following quantum's state (and indeed all quanta's states!) . . .
As for "Why numbers?" Well, mathematicians do it by the numbers because it's
more fun that way. ;-)
Mark
>From the standpoint of Laplacian determinism, that the instantaneous state
>of the universe at any time uniquely determines its state at any other time,
One might, however, reasonably surmise that no state ever occurs twice in
actuality so the uniqueness of the state that actually follows a given state
is automatically true.
Ms O. Philia
news:as5jgd$es$1...@uwm.edu...
> One might, however, reasonably surmise that no state ever occurs twice in
> actuality so the uniqueness of the state that actually follows a given
state
> is automatically true.
Or maybe not? See Process Physics: Modelling Reality as Self-Organising
Information - Reginald T. Cahill, Christopher M. Klinger and Kirsty Kitto
(http://www.scieng.flinders.edu.au/cpes/people/cahill_r/processphysics/00090
23.pdf) "There are additional Quantum State Diffusion (QSD) terms which are
non-linear and stochastic; these QSD terms are ultimately responsible for
the emergence of classicality via an objectification process, but in
particular they produce wave-function(al) collapses during quantum
measurements; a mechanism that eluded quantum theory since its discovery and
which is finally seen to have its explanation with Geodel's incompleteness
theorem and its associated Self Referential Noise within a process-system.
The random click of the detector is then a manifestation of Geodel's
profound insight that truth has no finite description in self-referential
systems; the click is simply a random contingent truth. The SRN is thus seen
to be a major missing component of the modelling of reality. In the above we
have a deterministic and unitary evolution, tracking and preserving
topologically encoded information, together with the stochastic QSD terms,
whose form protects that information during localisation events, and which
also ensures the full matching in Quantum Homotopic Field Theory of process
time to real time: an ordering of events, an intrinsic direction or `arrow'
of time and a modelling of the contingent present moment effect."