just curious what kind of iron is better
Steve Waco
pills of elemental iron, which is time released throughout the day with
vitamin c. Now I see there is a different type of iron for sale which I
think the doctor has.. 65mg of elemental iron from 325mg of ferrous
sulphate. Now after taking the timed release, the first option for the
last two or three months my ferritin has gone up from 17 to 29, which is
still a little low. Now I understand that the doctor, even though initially
said take 300mg of iron,(which he didn't tell me what kind) which I have
been doing in the form of the time release pills, now I believe he says to
just take a couple of the 65mg pills which each pill comes 325mg of feras
sulfeit. So I am just curious what kind of iron is better, now I am only
taking 130mg( the 2 65 mg pills) versus what I was taking before around 250
or 300mg(non ferrous sulphate). Maybe this feras sulfeit-derived iron is
what I should have been taking all along. Just curious what the differences
might be and why they have both types of iron on the market. Will I notice
a difference between the 2 ??Appreciate any insight you might have, curious
if I will notice any difference taking the ferasulfeit-derived iron.
Craig Health
blood. Too much iron is dangerous. Iron Bisglycinate sold as Gentle Iron by
Solgar is non-constipating. It is easy to digest and assimilate.You need a
doctor to investigate the cause of your low iron levels. The Reference Daily
Intake as established by the National Academy of Sciences and the United
States Food and Drug Administration is 18mg.
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JEDilworth
current thread labelled "Well once again I went to the doctor...". This
is an ongoing problem with Steve and he's been under a physician's care.
BTW, stools aren't cultured for blood. Occult blood testing is done on
special cards with impregnated paper inside. A small bit of feces is
smeared on the paper. Then a reagent is added and blue color changed
looked for. If blue is seen, the occult blood is called positive.
Judy Dilworth, M.T. (ASCP)
Microbiology
John@getstev.com Sir John
popping pills in about one week or less.
That dude has a continuing problem because as fast as he is replenishing his
iron stores, he is continuing to lose iron. The reason why is up to his
doctor to figure out. But, to me his running 7 miles a day is probably a
big part of his problem.
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Steve Harris
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> In regards to Runner's Anemia, anyone one can restore their iron levels by
> popping pills in about one week or less.
I'm afraid this isn't true. Body iron deficits for the anemic are a gram or
two, and it's very hard to absorb more than about 30 mg/day from pills (the
required 150 mg elemental iron a day will surely give you GI problems, at
least at first). Divide the first number by the second and you find that
typical oral iron repletion time, working as hard as you can, is around 1 or
2 MONTHS, not weeks. For most people, trying to do it with minimal GI
problems, it's considerably longer than that.
SBH
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> "Sir John" <Sir Jo...@GetStev.com> wrote in message
> > In regards to Runner's Anemia, anyone one can restore their iron levels
> > by popping pills in about one week or less.
> I'm afraid this isn't true. Body iron deficits for the anemic are a gram
or
> two, and it's very hard to absorb more than about 30 mg/day from pills
(the
> required 150 mg elemental iron a day will surely give you GI problems, at
> least at first). Divide the first number by the second and you find that
> typical oral iron repletion time, working as hard as you can, is around 1
or
> 2 MONTHS, not weeks. For most people, trying to do it with minimal GI
> problems, it's considerably longer than that.
So, MD's don't know everything?
Okay, 10 days ... NOT one week.
Beyond me personally doing it in 4 days, it obviously depends on how much of
a iron deficit a person has. But of course, one does presume that a human
being is capable of thinking for themselves.
Hernandez Lamas MC, Lopez Perez-Lanzac JC, Prat Arrojo I.
[Determination of serum ferritin: ideas for avoiding induced
ferropenia in blood donors]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui
ds=8197526&dopt=Abstract
Sangre (Barc). 1994 Feb;39(1):9-14. Spanish.
PMID: 8197526
Ferropenia is spanish for iron deficiency.
ABSTRACT: "Iron supplement is advisable during the 4 first donations
in regular blood donors and in those with iron deficiency, with
ferrous sulphate at a dose of 100 mg/day for 10 days."
slenon
>So, MD's don't know everything? Okay, 10 days ... NOT one week.
>Beyond me personally doing it in 4 days, it obviously depends on how much
of a iron deficit a person has. But of course, one does presume that a
>human being is capable of thinking for themselves.
One would think that a human would not normally cause their own anemia, too.
Care to tell the nice people how you became anemic?
>I have no wish to be known as a medical authority, or to handhold patients
through their own medical problems
Isn't this a bit inconsistent with the advice you have recently offered
regarding iron dosages and vitamin C supplementation? Read what you've
posted before you hang yourself out further.
And about those two degrees you claim to hold; in what and from what
institution?
--
Stev
Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line is patients not
profit
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John@getstev.com Sir John
That is because I am a recognized authority on smn. :-)
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slenon
>That is because I am a recognized authority on smn.
You might be a recognized example of how to become anemic. But as for as
being an authority, the only recognition I see voiced is that which comes
from your own keyboard. What degrees? What institutions?
ada
> In regards to Runner's Anemia, anyone one can restore their iron levels by
> popping pills in about one week or less.
>
> That dude has a continuing problem because as fast as he is replenishing his
> iron stores, he is continuing to lose iron. The reason why is up to his
> doctor to figure out. But, to me his running 7 miles a day is probably a
> big part of his problem.
>
>
person is able to run so many miles a week plus marathon after
marathon.
ada
Steve Waco
person
i dont think im that
i had stool test=negative..
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Steve Harris
Just when I'd killfiled every deMan, now it's Sir John. For the sake of
people who are still suffering you, there's quite a difference between how
much iron you lose in a donation of blood (250 mg or so, for which you need
to take 1000 mg over 10 days to replace) and how much you iron need to lose
to become anemic from iron deficiency, which is what we were discussing
(runner's anemia, hey). Multiply by 4 to 6, and you get what I said. One or
two months.
And BTW, PLONK.
SBH
>
> Hernandez Lamas MC, Lopez Perez-Lanzac JC, Prat Arrojo I.
> [Determination of serum ferritin: ideas for avoiding induced
> ferropenia in blood donors]
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui
> ds=8197526&dopt=Abstract
> Sangre (Barc). 1994 Feb;39(1):9-14. Spanish.
> PMID: 8197526
>
> Ferropenia is spanish for iron deficiency.
>
> ABSTRACT: "Iron supplement is advisable during the 4 first donations
> in regular blood donors and in those with iron deficiency, with
> ferrous sulphate at a dose of 100 mg/day for 10 days."
>
>
>
>
--
John@getstev.com Sir John
> people who are still suffering you, there's quite a difference between how
> much iron you lose in a donation of blood (250 mg or so, for which you
need
> to take 1000 mg over 10 days to replace) and how much you iron need to
lose
> to become anemic from iron deficiency, which is what we were discussing
> (runner's anemia, hey).
Boy are you dumber than dumb!
I posted a whole series of citations on how blood donors can become anemic
from donating blood.
A blood test showed that I was anemic. Another test, four days later showed
that I was no longer anemic.
On top of that, the Twit Stev has been advertising the fact that I was
anemic for weeks now.
But no! The good doctor thinks that he is smarter than everybody else.
Steve go back into the hole where you crawled out of!
See Stev, ... Steve Harris, MD says that I was NEVER anemic! In academia,
MDs are NEVER wrong!!!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Steve obviously plunked you a long time ago.
ada
> anemic
> person
>
>
> i dont think im that
>
>
> i had stool test=negative..
>
So, if you aren't anemic why take iron?
ada
slenon
>See Stev, ... Steve Harris, MD says that I was NEVER anemic! In academia,
MDs are NEVER wrong!!!
No, he said that there is a distinct difference in the amount of iron loss
via voluntary blood donation and that of a chronic anemia. There is also a
distinction in the amount of time required for supplemental iron therapy to
correct the iron deficit in an otherwise normal blood donor and in a person
with a chronic iron deficiency.
You should read for comprehension, not self actualization.
>I posted a whole series of citations on how blood donors can become anemic
from donating blood
You also posted a tale indicating how you lied to blood donation centers
regarding the frequency of your donations in pursuit of some twisted desire
to decrease your iron stores.
You don't need to donate blood to decrease your iron stores. You bleed
everytime you try to compete with medical professionals on these usegroups.
Is it truly rewarding writing under other screen names in support of
yourself? Do you really think it fools anyone? And if you can't post your
degrees and which insitution granted them, ask one of your other screen
names to do so. Surely, one of them must remember.
John@getstev.com Sir John
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Gym Bob
Hemoglobin levels take months to rise since the stores are in bone marrow.
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Steve Harris
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> 4 days?...bullshit!
> Hemoglobin levels take months to rise since the stores are in bone marrow.
Sigh. Not true, either, since you can mobilize them fast. You can raise Hb
levels as much as half a g/dL a day, ie from 11 to 11.5. This is about 1.5
points of hematocrit a day, or nearly 200 mL/day, which would require
absorbing 100 mg of iron a day (max is about 30, for which you need to take
150).
Take home message is that you can't really absorb iron from pills to make
blood as fast as the maximal rate that you can do it from your own stores.
I'm merely commenting that you can't do is replete the STORES at this rate,
which means also you can't replace lost blood this fast if you don't have
the stores, and are relying on pills.
Gym Bob
usable forms?
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Steve Harris
> maybe iron levels but will they drop just as fast when not converted to
> usable forms?
There are two main forms of iron in the plasma (outside the red cells, in
which the iron is in in a third form--hemoglobin). One of the plasma iron
compounds is ferritin. The other is iron bound to transferrin. Tranferrin is
most of the "total iron-binding protein" (TIBC) content of your plasma. The
iron bound to transferrin (which helps make your plasma yellow) goes up
immediately if you take an iron pill-- half life is about 6 hours. It's what
is measured in Fe/TIBC on a lab test. It's why you should not take your iron
pill the day before you have this measured.
The other major measurement (ferritin) is an index of body stores of iron,
so long as you don't have an infection or some other inflammatory process
going on. It's not affected by single doses of iron at all.
We can't talk about iron unless we know which of these three kinds of blood
iron is being looked at.
SBH
Gym Bob
This takes months of iron supplementation in my experience.
Thanx for the lesson
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