Newbie swap file size question PS6
Bob Bobsen
I got all clever and deleted my swap file in Win XP Pro to nothing
because I heard that with 1 GB ram it was no longer necessary. Then I
tried to start PS6 after reinstalling it on a clean HD and got an
error message about 'not enough memory'. What should I do? Surely, !
Gig is enough memory and if not what should my swap file be set to
(both places).
Thanks in advance,
Bobsen
Eric Gill
news:rd2jhvgeqeij80bdi...@4ax.com:
> Hi all,
> I got all clever and deleted my swap file in Win XP Pro to nothing
> because I heard that with 1 GB ram it was no longer necessary.
It really isn't, despite dire warning of nasty consequences, terrible
performance, and probably dogs and cats living together. Windows runs
faster and MOST software is quite happy.
> Then I
> tried to start PS6 after reinstalling it on a clean HD and got an
> error message about 'not enough memory'.
The exception to the rule is, of course, Adobe software, whose
programmers believe the swapfile is so sacred they make it impossible to
use most of their software without it turned on.
> What should I do?
I have mine set to 128MB. This seems to make the worst offenders
(InDesign and Photoshop) happy enough, and keeps swapfile access pretty
much unnoticeable.
> Surely, 1 Gig is enough memory
I forget the name of it, but there is a law that rules out any size of
RAM as being "enough". Right now, that much not too bad, but More Is
Always Better. I'm using 4GB on this machine.
> and if not what should my swap file be set to
> (both places).
If you're talking about Photoshop scratch, you don't control the size.
> Thanks in advance,
> Bobsen
You bet.
Thomas Madsen
> I got all clever and deleted my swap file in Win XP Pro to nothing
> because I heard that with 1 GB ram it was no longer necessary.
Then you were misinformed.
> Then I tried to start PS6 after reinstalling it on a clean HD and
> got an error message about 'not enough memory'. What should I do?
Recreate a page (swap) file in WinXP.
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Regards
Madsen.
Hecate
<nos...@madsen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>Bob Bobsen wrote:
>
>> I got all clever and deleted my swap file in Win XP Pro to nothing
>> because I heard that with 1 GB ram it was no longer necessary.
>
>Then you were misinformed.
>
Not quite. He should have been told that y7ou don't need a swap file
unl;ess you use Adobe software (and one or two other ill-behaved
memory hogs).
--
Hecate
Hec...@newsguy.com (Fried computers a specialty)
Thomas Madsen
> Not quite. He should have been told that y7ou don't need a swap file
> unl;ess you use Adobe software (and one or two other ill-behaved
> memory hogs).
True. In this case he uses Adobe software so he can't do without a
page file. Therefore he was misinformed. :)
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Regards
Madsen.
Bob Bobsen
Thanks for the info, I will try 128 mbs...
Regards,
Bobsen
Thomas Madsen
> Thanks for the info, I will try 128 mbs...
I would make it bigger than that but it depends on which programs
you're using and how you're using them.
I use Photoshop 7.01, Illustrator 10.0.3 and InDesign 2.02 a lot and
I'm also too lazy to shut two of them down when I'm using the third,
so I often have all three of them running at the same time.
When the pagefile (WinXP Pro SP1) is set to a smaller size than real
RAM (2 GB RAM in my case), I very often get this error message from
AI: <http://home18.inet.tele.dk/madsen/illustrator/10/memory.png>.
It looks odd because I have plenty of real RAM available when it
happens, as you can see on the above screenshot, but I can't seem
to get rid of the error message in other ways than increasing the
pagefile size. The message from Illustrator disappears when I set
the pagefile size to 1.5 times the amount of RAM, as recommended by
Microsoft. When the pagefile is less than 1.5 times RAM, the message
from Illustrator reappears. It's strange but true.
MS has an article about pagefile optimization on this address:
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314482>
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Regards
Madsen.
Eric Gill
news:Xns93BE9AC3...@madsen.tdcadsl.dk:
> Bob Bobsen wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, I will try 128 mbs...
>
> I would make it bigger than that but it depends on which programs
> you're using and how you're using them.
I've tried it, and do not get the behavior you list, even with (many) more
apps running. My recomendation of 128MB was from a fair amount of
experimentation.
<snip>
> The message from Illustrator disappears when I set
> the pagefile size to 1.5 times the amount of RAM, as recommended by
> Microsoft.
...and you start getting massive delays when doing "complex" things like
opening a window on the desktop.
> MS has an article about pagefile optimization on this address:
> <http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314482>
In light of past events, I trust M$ to know the best process for optimizing
their own OS' memory usage as much as I trust them to not install spyware
and try to move all their users to a pay on a regular basis program.
They've come up with horrendous workarounds that include removing memory
from your machine when all that was needed was a tweak to win.ini.
Thomas Madsen
> I've tried it, and do not get the behavior you list, even with
> (many) more apps running. My recomendation of 128MB was from a
> fair amount of experimentation.
I'm not saying that your 128 MB recommendation is wrong. I'm only
saying that 128 MB is by far enough here.
> ...and you start getting massive delays when doing "complex"
> things like opening a window on the desktop.
No I don't. Should I get that when I increase the pagefile size?
> In light of past events, I trust M$ to know the best process for
> optimizing their own OS' memory usage as much as I trust them to
> not install spyware and try to move all their users to a pay on a
> regular basis program.
I haven't said that I trust everything Microsoft says either. I only
said that there recommendation on pagefile size seems to be fairly
accurate on my PC with the programs I'm using. It doesn't mean that
it works for everyone else.
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Regards
Madsen.
Thomas Madsen
> I'm only saying that 128 MB is by far enough here.
Isn't enough. Sorry.
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Regards
Madsen.
Eric Gill
> Thomas Madsen wrote:
>
>> I'm only saying that 128 MB is by far enough here.
>
> Isn't enough. Sorry.
Heh. No technology can defeat the power of typos.
Yes, it most certainly is, which any reader is invited to try, since it's
unlikely I'll have he chance to demonstrate it first hand to anyone here.
Eric Gill
server:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:07:08 +0100, Hecate <hec...@newsguy.com>
> scribbled:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:15:45 +0200, Thomas Madsen
>><nos...@madsen.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>
>>>Bob Bobsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got all clever and deleted my swap file in Win XP Pro to nothing
>>>> because I heard that with 1 GB ram it was no longer necessary.
>>>
>>>Then you were misinformed.
>>>
>>Not quite. He should have been told that y7ou don't need a swap file
>>unl;ess you use Adobe software (and one or two other ill-behaved
>>memory hogs).
>
> This is also incorrect.
Only trivially so, since Hecate and I certainly haven't had the opportunity
to try *every* piece of non-adobe software made for the PC.
But I haven't found a *single* other app that misbehaves without swapfile.
And no games (espcially games!). Without exception, everything else I've
tried runs like a demon without Windows amusing itself with the hard drive
in the background.
Hecate
LOL!
Hecate
>>>Not quite. He should have been told that y7ou don't need a swap file
>>>unl;ess you use Adobe software (and one or two other ill-behaved
>>>memory hogs).
>>
>> This is also incorrect.
>
>Only trivially so, since Hecate and I certainly haven't had the opportunity
>to try *every* piece of non-adobe software made for the PC.
>
>But I haven't found a *single* other app that misbehaves without swapfile.
>And no games (espcially games!). Without exception, everything else I've
>tried runs like a demon without Windows amusing itself with the hard drive
>in the background.
Same hear. I did try your idea out, but found that my personal minimum
was twice that i.e. 256Mb. If it wasn't for those aps I mentioned,
especially the Adobe ones, I figure I cou;ld run the whole system
without a swap disk at all. I actually got to the stage where I was
considering having two separate Win installations - one with swap disk
for using Adobe, and without for using everything else, but it's more
hassle than I have time for at the moment :)
Laurence Payne
Obviously, you heard wrong. What are you going to do, argue about it?
:-)
Put your swap file back, with either the default setting or "Windows
Managed". Then get on with doing some work.