Help---Voyeurism in Campgrounds and Hostels
bean~
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>>I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
>>upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
>>communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and have
>>them see me.
>><snippity snip>>>
>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces.
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>Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
This is a perfect example of why TROLLS and SPAMMERS are unfit to surf
the Net.
bean~
Alan Madsen
: >I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
: >upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
: >communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and have
: >them see me.
: >The problem is, how does one know (except from experience) which
: >campgrounds or hostels offer this treat?
: >I would like to start a site on the web with a listing of such
: >campgrounds and hostels, around the world. So email me any you know
: >from experience. Give me as much info. on the hostel or campground as
: >you know, particularly the name and address.
: >Sometimes there are variations in the communal shower, which I will
: >include in my list...such as separate showers but no curtains and good
: >views...or communal changing areas.
: >Another thing I will include is the outdoor urinals. I stayed in a
: >campground in Venice, Italy with one. Both sexes walked by all the
: >time. I always liked to give the women a good view.
: >Other variations...just let me know.
: >Once I get a few entries, I'll post the URL here periodically.
: >Happy voyeurism/exhibitionism!!!
: This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
: forces.
: *************************************************************************
: Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
tell me, fred... how does anyone know you, or some fellow traveler
didn't construct that quote and, are you cognizant of the irony of
your position vis a vis your quote of lincoln...?
--
alan madsen - new york, n.y.
Alan Madsen
Fred Cherry (jo...@world.std.com) wrote:
<snip>
: This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
: forces.
: Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
without comment...
Robert Blackshaw
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
<snip>
>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces.
first this.
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>Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
then this.
The irony is priceless.
Opinions expressed are those of the author.
Computers and Laser Printers recycled,
for fun and for profit.
Fred Cherry
Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
>upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
>communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and have
>them see me.
>The problem is, how does one know (except from experience) which
>campgrounds or hostels offer this treat?
>I would like to start a site on the web with a listing of such
>campgrounds and hostels, around the world. So email me any you know
>from experience. Give me as much info. on the hostel or campground as
>you know, particularly the name and address.
>Sometimes there are variations in the communal shower, which I will
>include in my list...such as separate showers but no curtains and good
>views...or communal changing areas.
>Another thing I will include is the outdoor urinals. I stayed in a
>campground in Venice, Italy with one. Both sexes walked by all the
>time. I always liked to give the women a good view.
>Other variations...just let me know.
>Once I get a few entries, I'll post the URL here periodically.
>Happy voyeurism/exhibitionism!!!
This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
forces.
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Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
Brent E. Shelley
In article <Dz4Et...@world.std.com>, Fred Cherry <jo...@world.std.com> wrote:
>Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>
>>I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
>>upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
>>communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and have
>>them see me.
>
>>The problem is, how does one know (except from experience) which
>>campgrounds or hostels offer this treat?
>
>>I would like to start a site on the web with a listing of such
>>campgrounds and hostels, around the world. So email me any you know
>>from experience. Give me as much info. on the hostel or campground as
>>you know, particularly the name and address.
>
>>Sometimes there are variations in the communal shower, which I will
>>include in my list...such as separate showers but no curtains and good
>>views...or communal changing areas.
>
>>Another thing I will include is the outdoor urinals. I stayed in a
>>campground in Venice, Italy with one. Both sexes walked by all the
>>time. I always liked to give the women a good view.
>
>>Other variations...just let me know.
>
>>Once I get a few entries, I'll post the URL here periodically.
>
>>Happy voyeurism/exhibitionism!!!
>
>
>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces.
Don't be so quick to say that all "homos are unfit to serve in the armed
forces." I don't see a cause-effect relationship here.
Some heterosexual men are child-molesters. So are all heterosexual men
unfit to be fathers? No, just the child-molesting ones.
Brent
--
Brent E. Shelley |
Optometry Student | "My reality check bounced."
IU School of Optometry |
John Fereira
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>>I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
>>upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
>>communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and have
>>them see me.
>><snippity snip>>>
>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces.
Perhaps the country would be better served if the stupid were prevented
from serving in the armed forces instead.
--
John Fereira
fer...@isis.com
Isis Distributed Systems - Ithaca, NY
Abu...@netcom.com
Under pressure from a moslem group from all over the world and Turkey,
Turkey Gazi university backed off from a decision not to resgister Moslem
women student whose photograph showed them wearing Islamic style head
scarves.
This decision had added more worries to secular Turks, already alarmed by
the new government led by the great Islamic party. This is a giant step
and a challange to those people who have an a Western oriented system.
The only Jewish memebr of Parliment in Turkey was so Irate at the
decision that he threaten to resign. I say resign and good riddance to
you and everyone like you in Turkey. Go back to the promise land, The
U.S.A.
Some women Lawyers have been kicked of bar associatin for insistance on
covering their heads in court despite a ban on the practice. Memeber of
Parlemint are also forbiddent from wearing the scarve due to heavy Jewish
opposition in Turkey.
Abu Ali
Michael J Davis
ama...@dorsai.org (Alan Madsen) wrote:
>Fred Cherry (jo...@world.std.com) wrote:
><snip>
>: This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>: forces.
>: Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
>without comment...
>--
>alan madsen - new york, n.y.
This is a perfect example that gay army fags shouldnt be reading gay
newsgroups and posting shit. If you dont like the groups then dont
read them.
Ward Stewart
bshe...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Brent E. Shelley) wrote:
>In article <Dz4Et...@world.std.com>, Fred Cherry <jo...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>>forces.
>Don't be so quick to say that all "homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces." I don't see a cause-effect relationship here.
As a Korean Vet I take profound exception to the notion that
I was "unfit" to serve!
ward
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The deity gave Michaelangelo the Sistine Chapel to paint
and Anita Bryant orange juice to peddle.
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John A. Stanley
In article <53misq$1...@clarknet.clark.net>,
>>forces.
>
>>*************************************************************************
>
>>Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
>
>
>The irony is priceless.
Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
sickly Ney York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
have sex with prostitutes. Somehow he got the idea that
all homosexuals are anti-prostitution, so he routinely posts
inane articles like the one above to phabulous assortments of
newsgroups. He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so with any
luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history.
--
John A. Stanley jsta...@gate.net
"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining
a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which
their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for
their own purpose." -- Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813.
"A sucker is born again every minute"
Charley
Do I gather correctly that this discussion originated with someone
complaining about being ogled in campgrounds and hostels?
If so...so what? How does it harm you to be simply seen naked?
Hell...I wish I had ten bucks in the bank for every person who's ever
seen me bare-assed. If I did, I could run over to the local Mercedes
dealership tomorrow and order a new Mercedes...and not the smallest one,
either.
And I can't see that all that exposure harmed me in any way.
Try to relax, why don't you? If you want something to worry about, there
are plenty of really significant things to choose from.
Cheers, all...
Charley
a.k.a. Don Que-who?
a.k.a. Been-there-done=that (most of it, anyway)
Mario Martinez
Wishful thinking Ali. Many people in Turkey are not going to throw in
their chance to become a part of the European Union just to be another
Iran. I have Turkish friends who dont wish to see Turkey go the way of
Iran. In addition, despite the popularity of The Islamic political
parties in Istanbul, Kemal Ataturk remains one of the most revered
figures In Turkey.
No way jose. Not in a million years.
Mario
Bill Bonde
John Fereira <fer...@isis.com> wrote in article
<53o494$7...@transfer.stratus.com>...
> jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>
> >Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
>
> >>I travel a lot and love to camp and to stay in hostels. When I happen
> >>upon a campground (privately owned or park service) or a hostel with
> >>communal showers, I rejoice. I love to watch other guys shower and
have
> >>them see me.
>
> >><snippity snip>>>
>
>
> >This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
> >forces.
>
> Perhaps the country would be better served if the stupid were prevented
> from serving in the armed forces instead.
>
Most women would not like any man who felt like it to be able to watch them
in a shower. It seems to me that the reason is that women have the right
not to be made a sexual spectical. I don't see why a man would feel any
differently. I know that I wouldn't want another man looking at me in a
sexual way especially when I was not doing anything that I would expect
that would cause such a thing to occur. Perhaps I am too ugly for that to
happen, but the possibity does seem unfair. I don't shower to be leered at.
Does this make me a stupid person?
Bill Bonde
Ward Stewart <wste...@hi.net> wrote in article
<53p43c$4...@nuhou.aloha.net>...
> bshe...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Brent E. Shelley) wrote:
>
> >In article <Dz4Et...@world.std.com>, Fred Cherry <jo...@world.std.com>
wrote:
> >>Brawny1 <Bra...@badpuppy.com> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
> >>forces.
>
> >Don't be so quick to say that all "homos are unfit to serve in the armed
> >forces." I don't see a cause-effect relationship here.
>
> As a Korean Vet I take profound exception to the notion that
> I was "unfit" to serve!
>
>
If you are homosexual, will you agree not to look sexually at people who
are not expecting such things as in when they are taking a shower expecting
privacy or taking a piss out in the field or whatever?
Papa Budge
"Bill Bonde" wrote:
> I know that I wouldn't want another man looking at me in a
> sexual way especially when I was not doing anything that I would expect
> that would cause such a thing to occur. Perhaps I am too ugly for that to
> happen, but the possibity does seem unfair. I don't shower to be leered at.
> Does this make me a stupid person?
Not stupid, perhaps, but certainly unskilled in dealing with your own and
others' sexuality. If a man looks at you in a public shower
appreciatively, rejoice that you've got something to be appreciated. If it
goes further than that, just say no. People of either sex should respect
that, and if they don't, that's the time you've got a gripe.
--
--papa budge
"Ring the bells that still can ring.
Forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in."
--lc
"I am a liar who always tells the truth."
--jc
Tom Zoch
>>><snippity snip>>>
>
>
>>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>>forces.
>
>Perhaps the country would be better served if the stupid were prevented
>from serving in the armed forces instead.
Then who would?
Fred Cherry
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Subject: Re: Help---Voyeurism in Campgrounds and Hostels
Date: 12 Oct 1996 21:29:22 -0400
jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
>sickly Ney York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
>have sex with prostitutes. Somehow he got the idea that
>all homosexuals are anti-prostitution, so he routinely posts
>inane articles like the one above to phabulous assortments of
>newsgroups. He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so with any
>luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history.
Here is how I got the idea that MOST (not all) homosexuals are anti-
prostitution. Did you ever hear of the "Reverend" Robert W. Wood, formerly
pastor of the Zion United Church of Christ, Newark New Jersey and spiritual
leader of the Mattachine Society of New York? The Mattachine Society of New
York was one of only three homosexual organizations on the East Coast of
the United States back in 1964.
In 1964 I had been a member of an organization called the New York City
League for Sexual Freedom. This had been an organization of ALL sexual
orientations which advocated and demonstrated for the rights of ALL sexual
minorities. For example, on 8/23/64, I was the central figure in a
demonstration for decriminalization of prostitution. On 9/19/64 I was one
of the participants in a demonstration for homosexual rights.
At that time there was only one homosexual rights organization in New York
City, namely the Mattachine Society. The next thing that happened was that
a large number of homosexuals and lesbians from the Mattachine Society
joined the New York City League for Sexual Freedom and took over. They
elected their people to lead the New York City League for Sexual Freedom.
Under their leadership, the League stopped advocating decriminalization of
prostitution and, instead, began to advocate homosexual child-molesting.
That's when I started to be homophobic. I decided, as a means of protest,
to mail out a large number of postcards denouncing one of the leaders of
the Mattachine Society. I decided to denounce the Reverend Robert W. Wood
of the United Church of Christ. He agreed with many people that the world
is overpopulated, but then he went on the preach the doctrine of homosexual
superiority. He said that God had created homosexuality in order to counter
the population explosion. On the way he also said that abortion and
sterilization were immoral. And, of course, like most homosexuals, he
argued that prostitution was also immoral.
I specifically denounced him for insinuating that Jesus Christ was a
homosexual. I think it is obvious that when a Christian clergyman claims
that Jesus Christ was a homosexual, that clergyman is claiming that
homosexuals are morally superior to heterosexuals.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there are only three male homosexuals who
do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
heterosexuals. One of them is Roedy Green. Another one is Randolph Wicker.
And the third one is Quentin Crisp.
Here is some more material for you. This is something I posted on
ComPUserve, before I was censored by the homos there.
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Fm: FRED CHERRY 70671,3677
To: Bob Riffle 71270,3070
Sir,
You say you've never heard of a gay or lesbian spouting hatred of prostitutes?
Well, let me clue you in.
On page 28 of the NY Daily News dated 4/7/86, there is a column by Cal Thomas,
a conservative (to say the least) commentator. The column sez, in part:
Why not repeal laws against statutory rape, even
if both parties consent? Why not similarly repeal laws
against incest, prostitution and even drug use, if
done in private?
Tom Stoddard, executive director of the Lambda
Legal Defense and Education Fund, an organization
representing homosexuals, says he would still favor
such laws because they seek to prevent "dangerous
things" and engaging in such behavior causes
"harm to others."
Have you people forgotten the message I posted just a couple of weeks ago? On
that occasion, in message # 24433, I pointed out that former NY City Mayor
Koch had, in a letter to the NEW YORK POST, compared prostitutes & johns to
"garbage in the streets" & "odor, disease, and rats." I didn't give the date
in that previous message, so here it is. The source is the NEW YORK POST,
dated 10/9/79, Page 25. I assume that this newspaper is available in the
newspaper branch of the New York Public Library. If not, I can upload it on
request.
Here's an even worse example taken from a book titled: THE ASBESTOS DIARY. THE
ASBESTOS DIARY is a book of homosexual fiction which was advertised in The New
York Times Book Review repeatedly during the summer and fall of 1966 starting
on 7/3/66. The book describes a fictional incident in which the hero beats a
woman prostitute into a state of unconsciousness, and then performs an act of
obscene mutilation on her unconscious body.
I believe that THE ASBESTOS DIARY is presently available in more than one
homosexual bookstore in New York City. I do know that this book is or was on
the official list of recommended books of NAMBLA.
This type of book encourages killers of prostitutes.
Themadmailer
(70671,3677)
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In writing about me you say: "He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so
with any luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history."
Don't count on it. It doesn't take much energy to sit at a keyboard and
type. In fact I don't even have to do that. Most of my stuff is cut and
paste. Furthermore, I had an uncle who lived to the age of ninety. So,
you're stuck with me for another twenty years.
Of course there are homos who are trying to instigate someone to murder me.
Here is what I mean.
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From: A Poet laurete <lega...@bullshiticus.com>
Subject: An Ode to Fred Cherry
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Twas the night before Judgement Day
and all thru the house
not a creature was stirring
except Fred the louse.
He was glued to his monitor
making a list
of all the bad people
having homosexual trysts.
His list was for Jesus
who Fred was sure
would condemn the naughty homos
for their email and slurs.
Fred knew he was right
his hate had no bounds
and all because
his asshole was made out of round.
Faster and faster
did poor Fred type
so obsorbed
in his newsgroup hype
He didn't notice the sound on the stair
The sound of a bulky man
with long dirty hair.
Straight from prison
with a hard on to share
slowly he crept
into poor Fred's lair.
Fred jumped with a start
then was frozen with fear
there stood the homo-rapist
hung like a bear.
While pumping Fred's ass
the rapist pistol did roar
he splattered Fred's brains
finally silencing Fred's keyboard.
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That isn't going to work, either. I have a strong steel door at the
entrance to my apartment, with TWO strong locks. I'm never out of my
apartment at night. So, it isn't that easy to murder me.
What's the big idea of describing me as a New York Jew? And YOU have the
audacity to complain about ME? There are so many homonazis around here who
complain about the so-called bigotry of others. Here is an example of one
of them.
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From: eea...@mixcom.com (Apuleius)
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Subject: Re: Where does which Bible condem Homosexuality?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:05:02 GMT
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>The only parts of the Bible I accept are the Books of the Maccabees. This
>is NOT in the Kink James version of the Bible, but it is in the Douay
>(Roman Catholic) version of the Bible. These books describe how my Glorious
>Ancestors, the Maccabees fought and won a war against homosexual
>oppression. This material may also be found in "The Oxford Annotated Bible
>with the Apocrypha, Revised Standard Version", New York, Oxford University
>Press, 1965.
Pagans were quite tolerant of other religions. Those not acceptable
were usually ones having political overtones deemed dangerous to the
state.
Judaism brought INTOLERANCE into Western Civilization.
What goes around, comes around.
There is a straight and narrow road running from Leviticus to
Auschwitz.
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This homonazi Apuleius seems to be just about the most prolific poster on
all of usenet. He posts his Jew-hating messages in so many places that it
is impossible to keep up with him.
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Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
dav...@erols.com
Alex wrote:
>
> I don't shower to be leered at.
>
> hahahahahah:))))))))))
That begs the question where one *does* go to be leered at.
Merrick Baldelli
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>This is a perfect example of why homos are unfit to serve in the armed
>forces.
And you're a perfect example of why abortion is considered legal.
And your point being...???
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===\ /====== Merrick Baldelli ================
====\ /======= merr...@america.net ============
=====\ /== http://www.america.net/~merrickb ======
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Alex
Ward Stewart
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
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>Subject: Re: Help---Voyeurism in Campgrounds and Hostels
>Date: 12 Oct 1996 21:29:22 -0400
>jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
>>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
>>sickly New York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
SNIP --- SNIP
Mr Cherry replied at enormous and improbable length and
finally said --
>Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there are only three male homosexuals who
>do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
>heterosexuals. One of them is Roedy Green. Another one is Randolph Wicker.
>And the third one is Quentin Crisp.
I greatly fear that Me Cherry is finding anger at his
preposterous nonsense and conflating it smehow with hatred
for ALL heterosexuals.
Purest moonbeams
ward
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Stephen Grandison
Actually, it was sort of weird today, but when I was out and about doing
the errands thing, and stopped for coffee, I found myself thinking about
Fred Cherry.
Originally, I used to have a shiver whenever I saw his name, and I used to
read his posts just because I thought they were sort of outrageous. But
thinking things over today, it occurred to me that I _can't_ go on wanting
my own sexual freedom, etc... without also according it to him provided
that his chosen partners are free agents and not being forced into
prostitution by someone else.
So, Fred Cherry, wherever you are, I stand up for your right to sexual
freedom and support you to the end.
--
stephen grandison
mo...@astral.magic.ca
The Generalissimo
Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>
> >In Message-ID: <8bDYycGU...@gate.net>
> >Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.bible,soc.motss,soc.bi,shamash.gayjews,alt.activism,u
> >Date: 12 Oct 1996 21:29:22 -0400
> >jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
>
> >>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
>
> SNIP --- SNIP
>
> Mr Cherry replied at enormous and improbable length and
> finally said --
>
> >do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
> >heterosexuals. One of them is Roedy Green. Another one is Randolph Wicker.
> >And the third one is Quentin Crisp.
>
> preposterous nonsense and conflating it smehow with hatred
> for ALL heterosexuals.
>
> Purest moonbeams
>
> ward
>
That is realy funny because ward made almost that very statement, that
he was superior to me in EVERY way. Sounds like a heterophobe to me.
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persons, civil rights gamesmen, ditzy brained movie stars,
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Han...@ix.netcom.com
Total U.S. Aid To Israel, 1948-1996
Economic Support Funds (ESF)
Loan $1,517,000,000
Grants $23,000,000,000
Other
Jewish Refugee Resettlement Grant $868,900,0000
Food for peace program
Loans $588,500,000
Grants $94,100,000
Export-Import Bank Loan $1,219,000,000
American Schools & Hospitals $110,000,000
Other Unspecified Loans $17,000,000
Other Grants ( desalinization Plant and Regional
Cooperative development aid) $104,500,000
Total ESF and Related Loans $3,342,000,000
Total ESF and Related Grants $24,300,000,000
Foreign Miliatry Sales (FMS)
FMS Loans $11,213,000,000
FMS Grants $29.065,000,000
Arrow Missile and Related Programs $631,200,000
Drawdown Authority from Western Europe$775,000,000
U.S. Military Stores in Israel (for Israel’s use in
an emergency $400,000,000
Toatl FMS and Related Loans $11,213,000,000
Total FMS and Related Grants $30,871,000,000
Loan Guarantees
U.S. Government-Guaranteed Housing Loans $8,000,000,000
Totals
U.S.ESF Loans ( Related expenditures) $3.342 billion
U.S.ESF Grants (Related expenditures) $24.3 billion
U.S.EMS Loans $11.213 billiion
U.S.FMS Grants (and related expenditures) $30.871 billion
Loan Guarantees $8 billion
Total U.S. Loans to Israel (Including Loan Guarantee) $22.555
billion
Toatl U.S. Grants to Israel
(Including Related Military Expenditures) $55.171
billion
Total U.S. Aid To Zionist State (FY 1945 Through Fy 1996) $77.726
billion
This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
given so they can kill and murder innocent Arab children. This money
belong to the American TAX payers. This money belong to the old and needy
in the United States. Is this the price of a friendship. This is the
price of my freedom?. Is this what it take to have high unemployemnt?
What pretex should I exercise to my kids about our Tax American dollars
that goes to murder others in the name of some mystical promise that God
has made. It is you as an American citizen must rise to the occassion and
tell our Congress and Senate, enough is enough. It is time to tell the
President of this Great country, I am tired of giving my money away while
American can't even offored the basic medical need, the basic nutrition
for me and my kids.
Zug
>I specifically denounced him for insinuating that Jesus Christ was a
> homosexual. I think it is obvious that when a Christian clergyman claims
> that Jesus Christ was a homosexual, that clergyman is claiming that
> homosexuals are morally superior to heterosexuals.
Jesus was not only a Jew, but a homosexual too. His following, in his time, was really no different from Brad Pitt's following. Surely you must know that the planet Neptune's energy is primarily centered on idolization. And remember, Jesus was a spiritual icon (Neptune) just as Brad Pitt is an actor (Neptune)... actually come to think of it, Pope John Paul II was/is an actor, too -- though, for the past 18 years he's been playing the role of his life as the Pontiff (Neptune=spirituality/religion, are you still lost?).
Cardinal John O'Connor and the Catholic Church are so ambiguous (oh God, no, not Neptune, again?!). On the one hand, you've got homosexual priests (presumably 87% of the Catholic Church, including the Cardinal himself, no doubt!) who profess abstinence and the "Right to Life"; yet, they are the ones "bustin' booties" on the church pews on late Sunday afternoons with 12 year-old boys (geez, when I was 12 I remember shooting a huge load of something, and I know it wasn't water!) -- though out of respect, after their congregation has gone.
> Have you people forgotten the message I posted just a couple of weeks ago? On
> that occasion, in message # 24433, I pointed out that former NY City Mayor
> Koch had, in a letter to the NEW YORK POST, compared prostitutes & johns to
> "garbage in the streets" & "odor, disease, and rats."
As everyone is well aware of dear, old "Mr. Ed"'s homosexuality, I can only assume that he's
criticizing the "hetero" pros & johns. Can someone please clarify this? Bill Cosby once made
a remark of a similar nature, and we know how gawd-awfully self-righteous he can be, don't we?
Imagine if Jesus were alive today, he'd be rappin':
It's yo' thang
Do what 'cha wanna do
I can't tell you, who to suck it to...
Chikka-now, chikka-now, chikka-now-now...
Oh, God, I'd better go lock my doors and bolt my windows, 'cause the Christ-mongers will be
high-tailin' after me now!
The Alien
Sorry, but these figures all ultimately derive from government sources.Know
also that when your government speaks it lies.You can multiply the above
amounts by a factor of 100 or more.But it is good to see that some earthlings
are starting to wake up.
--
Al
The Mac Gangsta
The Mac Gangsta:
In article <3274F3...@columbia.edu>, Avital Pilpel
<ap...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
> > > given so they can kill and murder innocent Arab children. American dollars
> > > that goes to murder others in the name of some mystical promise that God
> > > has made.
>
>
> As one of the child-killers and murderes, I wish to thank the US for
helping us out. Without this
> evil doing, I would have been wiped of the face of the earth by arabs
completing what Hitler did
Now Avital, I just happened to notice this post--you are not displaying
your otherwise more common intelligence and reason: you *know* that Arabs
have never attempted *any* kind of genocide against Jews, and that they
don't even oppose any Jews except for Zionists in the state of Israel. And
you know what I have often pointed out: that Arabs, historically before
Israel, lived in the Middle East and the Mediterranean world in *MUCH*
more peace than the Europeans *ever* did or wanted to, historically, with
Jews. Now come on Avital! This is quite hyperbolic of you!
> not, perhaps. I know the world would have been a better place then, but
I just feel like
> contaminating it a little longer with my foul long-nosed presence. Sue me.
>
> P.S.
>
> How is the plot to take over the world going? How come I'm not getting
a piece of the action?
>
> Avital Pilpel.
--
Go and do Peace,
The Mac Gangsta :
Peace out .
Avital Pilpel
> > This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
> > given so they can kill and murder innocent Arab children. American dollars
> > that goes to murder others in the name of some mystical promise that God
> > has made.
As one of the child-killers and murderes, I wish to thank the US for helping us out. Without this
evil doing, I would have been wiped of the face of the earth by arabs completing what Hitler did
Mayor Loz
>>> How is the plot to take over the world going? How come I'm not getting a
piece of the action?
You are. YOUR share of *my taxes* works out to be about $1,660 to you, and the
same for each of your family members too.
I hope YOU spend MY money well, and remember that MY children are going
without so that YOU can play big shot in your socialist religous paradise on
earth.
Now, if we could figgure out how to get you off AmericanWelfare and keep some
of our money here to fix our problems......
Mayor Loz
Dmitri Krylov
Buddy, i would like to see how many troops you were need to keep in ME
if Israel was "wiped of the face of the earth" as Avital said. I would
like to see your face when you figured out how much *your taxes* are
raised then because of just need to keep *your US interests* in ME,
my proud US tax-payer.
Dmitri
Iron Parrot Jiim
Avital Pilpel <ap...@columbia.edu> did say:
>P.S.
>How is the plot to take over the world going? How come I'm not getting a piece of the action?
>Avital Pilpel.
We'll be contacting you shortly.
"Iron Parrot" JIIM
"fear the vOIDbEEST"
wil...@softdisk.com
Carl M Holmberg
I feel driven to split some hairs. My pardons.
Somebody said:
>> >This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
Literally true, for those making enough to pay taxes. Lacking context, it
begs to be read (and written) between the lines. On first reading, I
immediately assumed the writer meant: "Taxes that could be spent on the
poor in the US are being sent instead to Israel." Like the "Peace
Dividend", this assumes that said taxes wouldn't be spent elsewhere, if at
all, if not on Israel. Believe me, the AARP is in line 'way ahead of the
working and working age poor, and children.
>> >given so they can kill and murder innocent Arab children. American dollars
This is a matter of policy? If them Jews is so smart, you'd think they'd
be a lot more efficient.
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B D A
Why do you think the Zionist owned main stream media is so against Dole
and for their puppet Bill Clintom? Because if Dole is elected and gets to
cut
our taxes then how will the Zionist World movement complete their control
of the American government and people.
Rember that we are all Tax slaves of the World Zionist movement, and they
have made us their Tax salves by dividing and conquring us via such
divisive tactics
as: affirmitive action, goal 2000, sexual harrasment (except for their
puppet Bill), etc.
Wake up and demand less Taxes, less goevrment and more freedom
Dmitri Krylov <dmi...@temple.co.il> wrote in article
<3275AB...@temple.co.il>...
> Mayor Loz wrote:
> >
> > >>> How is the plot to take over the world going? How come I'm not
getting a
> > piece of the action?
> >
root
On 29 Oct 1996 20:42:21 GMT, B D A <de...@blacksun.com> wrote:
>Why do you think the Zionist owned main stream media is so against Dole
>and for their puppet Bill Clintom? Because if Dole is elected and gets to
>cut
>our taxes then how will the Zionist World movement complete their control
>of the American government and people.
You have it backwards. The `Zionists' are the slaves of the American
Secret Communist Party. Israel as a state is in reality just another
American banana republic, and what Israel does `independently' that
offends Muslims is in reality the will of that American party that the
Muslims identify with the CIA.
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Usenet posts.
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John De Salvio
In article <557dlj$2...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>,
luke...@ix.netcom.com(David Griffin) wrote:
> In Jesus Name,
> Frank
Your anti-semitic rant does a great disservice to Jesus.
You know, that Jew?
To sign your rant "In Jesus Name" is pure blasphemy.
John
A Christian
The Mac Gangsta
The Mac:
In article <cmholm-2910...@va24669.tu.hac.com>,
cmh...@va24669.tu.hac.com (Carl M Holmberg) wrote:
> I feel driven to split some hairs. My pardons.
>
> Somebody said:
> >> >This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
>
> Literally true, for those making enough to pay taxes. Lacking context, it
> begs to be read (and written) between the lines. On first reading, I
> immediately assumed the writer meant: "Taxes that could be spent on the
> poor in the US are being sent instead to Israel." Like the "Peace
> Dividend", this assumes that said taxes wouldn't be spent elsewhere, if at
> all, if not on Israel. Believe me, the AARP is in line 'way ahead of the
> working and working age poor, and children.
Of course, Carl, you miss the most important point: Unlike Israeli
Zionists feel and believe they are *entitlted* to, American tax dollars
are just *that*--*American!*--*ours!*. Contrary to Israeli Zinoists
belief: ***IT'S *NOT!* THEIR MONEY!!!***.
> Carl Holmberg
Avital Pilpel
root wrote:
>
> On 29 Oct 1996 20:42:21 GMT, B D A <de...@blacksun.com> wrote:
> >Why do you think the Zionist owned main stream media is so against Dole
> >and for their puppet Bill Clintom? Because if Dole is elected and gets to
> >cut
> >our taxes then how will the Zionist World movement complete their control
> >of the American government and people.
>
> You have it backwards. The `Zionists' are the slaves of the American
> Secret Communist Party. Israel as a state is in reality just another
> American banana republic, and what Israel does `independently' that
> offends Muslims is in reality the will of that American party that the
> Muslims identify with the CIA.
Here we have a perfect sho how irrational antisemites are: They
cannotdecide whether the jews (oops, sorry: only the israelies, their
"zionist supporters", and "sympathisers". That includes only about 99.97%
of jews by their definition, so they are not racist.) are all-powerful
rulers of the world with the president of the united states as their puppet,
or a bunch of good-for-nothing weaklings that the US is keeping alive for
it's own dark colonial expanxionist imperialist (add your favorite here)
ends...
(sigh...)
Avital Pilpel
David Griffin
In <01bbc5d9$58fd7000$067e...@pc6.blacksun.com> "B D A"
<de...@blacksun.com> writes:
>
>Why do you think the Zionist owned main stream media is so against
Dole
>and for their puppet Bill Clintom? Because if Dole is elected and gets
to
>cut
>our taxes then how will the Zionist World movement complete their
control
>of the American government and people.
Christians anywhere in the world.
The Bible calls the Jews antiChrist, therefore it is to the shame
of Christians to even support the Jews in any fashion whatsoever.
God is bringing His wrath on America and other lands that support
the terrorists activities of the Jews, whether in Palestine, Hollywood,
or in the many other places that initiate their antiChrist
activities...Hence, we see the decay of America, Western Europe, South
Africa, etc., all because we support the enemies of Jesus.
Repentence will be fothcoming on the part of true Christianity, for
this is the only hope for Christianity.
2Chronicles 19:2 says "... Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and
love them that hate the LORD? therefore [is] wrath upon thee from
before the LORD."
In Jesus Name,
Frank
Khorasanee MZ
On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, The Mac Gangsta wrote:
>
> Now Avital, I just happened to notice this post--you are not displaying
> your otherwise more common intelligence and reason: you *know* that Arabs
> have never attempted *any* kind of genocide against Jews, and that they
> don't even oppose any Jews except for Zionists in the state of Israel. And
> you know what I have often pointed out: that Arabs, historically before
> Israel, lived in the Middle East and the Mediterranean world in *MUCH*
> more peace than the Europeans *ever* did or wanted to, historically, with
> Jews. Now come on Avital! This is quite hyperbolic of you!
The Jews, however, were not by any means equal citizens in Arab countries.
As dhimmis, they did not have legal equality to muslims - the testimony of
a Jew was not legally valid against that of a muslim, nor could Jews
bear arms for the purpose of self-defence.
European countries which have given legal equality to all citizens
irrespective of religious belief, and which allow their citizens to
convert to any religion of their choice (which many Arab countries still
do not permit) can justifiably claim to have gone further in the direction
of tolerance than the Arabs.
Zaki
P.S. Is The Mac Gansta your real name? If so, I congratulate your parents
on their imagination and wit.
Bode of Bode Hall
(Newsgroups line trimmed to what looks relevant)
With eyes, luke...@ix.netcom.com(David Griffin) gibbered:
>In <01bbc5d9$58fd7000$067e...@pc6.blacksun.com> "B D A"
><de...@blacksun.com> writes:
> The Bible calls the Jews antiChrist,
While the Gospel of John does make some statements about the common
people's apathy allowing the Sanhedrin to kill Jesus, and some of the
epistles talk about going to the Gentiles (in the same vein as
St. Francis of Asissi preaching to the animals when Rome wouldn't
listen) because the Jews weren't listening...
...the only antiChrist
mentioned in the Bible is a reference to a religious leader of the
Last Days, who would pervert the message of the Gospels for his own
political ends. Sound familiar?
>therefore it is to the shame
>of Christians to even support the Jews in any fashion whatsoever.
"If someone asks for your coat, give him your shirt also." Who said
that? Must be some pinko Zionist conspirator.
>the terrorists activities of the Jews, whether in Palestine, Hollywood,
Ooooh, Sam Goldwyn - Terrorist! I can see it now... we'll let
Spielberg direct it.
> 2Chronicles 19:2 says "... Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and
>love them that hate the LORD? therefore [is] wrath upon thee from
>before the LORD."
You _do_ realize that 2Chronicles is a _Jewish_ history, yes? Jesus
was still centuries away when it was written. The LORD mentioned in
that quote is specifically YHVH, the Hebrew God.
I just _love_ so-called Christians who get their Bible quotes from
Chick pamphlets and never read the book itself...
-skyler
--
Bode of Bode Hall sky...@panix.com
"...so what, so I scare myself; it's all right because I tell myself it's
all in my mind; so I let the poison go, because I always know
it'll be there for me..." -Black Crowes
The Mac Gangsta
The Mac Gangsta:
In article <Pine.GSO.3.94.961031180726.8640A-100000@exeter>, Khorasanee MZ
<sh...@city.ac.uk> wrote:
Arrogant fool! Europe *invented* anti-Semitism--which still very strongly
exists there--and in the U.S.(esp. the NE coast, Midwest, and South) to
this day--I guess you Europeans never really did take to heart the moral
errors of your ways even after Hitler--which is why Jews left Europe to
colonize another peoples' home and oppress them, after learning from their
fellow Europeans--in the Arab world! As for religious tolerance, have you
ever heard of--or perhaps read a little something about--the *European*
*Christian* Inquisition!? At the time when Europe was inventing
anti-Semitism and torturing/killing thousands upon thousands, the Arab
world *had* religious tolerance, tho some Jews and Christians converted to
Islam for reasons of certain civil advantages (e.g., certain tax breaks).
>
> Zaki
>
> P.S. Is The Mac Gansta your real name? If so, I congratulate your parents
> on their imagination and wit.
And I congratulate your mother on sucking my dick!
Carl M Holmberg
mam...@uclink4.berkeley.edu (The Mac Gangsta) wrote:
>cmh...@va24669.tu.hac.com (Carl M Holmberg) wrote:
>
>> Somebody said:
>> >> >This money is taking from the mouth of the poor in th United States and
>>
>> Dividend", this assumes that said taxes wouldn't be spent elsewhere, if at
>> all, if not on Israel. Believe me, the AARP is in line 'way ahead of the
>> working and working age poor, and children.
>
>Of course, Carl, you miss the most important point: Unlike Israeli
>Zionists feel and believe they are *entitlted* to, American tax dollars
>are just *that*--*American!*--*ours!*. Contrary to Israeli Zinoists
>belief: ***IT'S *NOT!* THEIR MONEY!!!***.
The Israel lobby aside, it's besides the point whether there are Zionists
who think it's their money...just as a GOP stalwart would point out
regarding the poor. If the Washington consensus was that it was a waste of
money to prime the charge for Israel other than to keep a few Jewish-Am
voters happy, it wouldn't have gotten spent there.
Since it was and is considered a security expense, if Israel didn't get
it, I (indirectly) probably would. As I am anyway...hey, cool.
Kyla J. Dillard, DVM
> >and for their puppet Bill Clintom? Because if Dole is elected and gets to
> >cut
> >our taxes then how will the Zionist World movement complete their control
> >of the American government and people.
>
> Secret Communist Party. Israel as a state is in reality just another
> American banana republic, and what Israel does `independently' that
> offends Muslims is in reality the will of that American party that the
> Muslims identify with the CIA.
>
> ==================================================
> Guess what? I don't read e-mail replies to my
> Usenet posts.
> ==================================================
Hey, Bob Dole supports Israel and Netanyahu, he blasted Clinton for
treating
Palestinians as people. Dole doesn't want any Palestinians in Israel,
so
what if their land and homes and businesses were stolen? Ed McAteer,
one
of the founders of the religious roundtable and major Republican
supporter,
recently wrote in the Memphis paper that Muslims anywhere near holy
sites for
Christians and Jews would be unthinkable.
I hate anti-semetic bias, and as well, I hate anti-palestinian bias.
Will you
people one day stop this stupidity and realize there is only one race?
We like
to call it "the human race."
Live well,
Kyla
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Memphis, Tennessee, USA should be shocked more often."
drk...@mem.net - Mae West
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com
no problem with the post. But wouls some one post a likely date for de
amato to drop his inquiry into the Swiss banking system to recover the
money of holocaust victims. My money says he lose all intrest in it
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On 30 Oct 1996 11:20:19 GMT, luke...@ix.netcom.com(David Griffin)
wrote:
> The Bible calls the Jews antiChrist, therefore it is to the shame
>of Christians to even support the Jews in any fashion whatsoever.
What a lot of rubbish.
Care to quote the verse that "calls Jews antiChrist" (sic) ?
Here are some FACTS:
Mary was a Jew
Joseph was a Jew
Jesus was a Jew
Paul was a Jew
Thomas was a Jew
Peter was a Jew
Mark was a Jew
Jesus was diligent in going to the Temple.
Stop making a fool of yourself and giving all Christians a reputation
for racism and bigotry.
>Hence, we see the decay of America, Western Europe, South
>Africa, etc., all because we support the enemies of Jesus.
This must be a troll, right ?
> Repentence will be fothcoming on the part of true Christianity, for
>this is the only hope for Christianity.
> 2Chronicles 19:2 says "... Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and
>love them that hate the LORD? therefore [is] wrath upon thee from
>before the LORD."
And where does the TNK ( Bible to you ) tell you to incite hatred ?
> In Jesus Name,
I suppose that you realise that his name was really Yeshu Ben Yosef
don't you ? ( Yeshu son of Yosef =Joseph )
Gerry Rough
Correctomundo, Raj.
Let's be absolutely clear on the issue of antisemitism within the realm
of christendom. YOU CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN AND BE AN ANTISEMITE! PERIOD!!
AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T LIKE THAT, _GO FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER RELIGION
TO PEDDLE YOUR POISON IN_!!!
Gerry Rough
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Mike Pelletier
In article <328F8E...@skyenet.net>,
Gerry Rough <ger...@skyenet.net> wrote:
>Correctomundo, Raj.
>Let's be absolutely clear on the issue of antisemitism within the realm
>of christendom. YOU CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN AND BE AN ANTISEMITE! PERIOD!!
>AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T LIKE THAT, _GO FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER RELIGION
>TO PEDDLE YOUR POISON IN_!!!
Well, the Crusaders and the Inquisitioners didn't seem to have much
trouble reconciling their faith in Jesus and the murder and torture
of those darn stubborn Jews who couldn't get it through their darn
thick skulls that Jesus DIED <bonk> FOR <bonk> THEIR <bonk> SINS
<bonk>, dag nabbit.
And even as recently as earlier this year, the Southern Baptists set out
to work towards getting Jews to convert to Christianity. Doesn't that
smack of anti-Jewish sentiment?
If someone can't stand to let the Jews continue to be Jewish, whether
by killing them and stealing their property, or by converting them to
Christianity, doesn't that mean they're just another brand of
anti-semite? Maybe just an anti-semite with a whole lotta love in
their heart in Jesus' name amen.
Consult Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1 for some further illumination.
-Mike Pelletier.
Nobody
>Let's be absolutely clear on the issue of antisemitism within the realm
>of christendom. YOU CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN AND BE AN ANTISEMITE! PERIOD!!
>AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T LIKE THAT, _GO FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER RELIGION
>TO PEDDLE YOUR POISON IN_!!!
>
>
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So I guess that the Spaniards of the Inquisition were not Christians? Martin
Luther was not a Christian? The Nazis were not just applying what they
learned in ther churches during their younger years?
I would suggest that you seriously consider who you are reading out of
Christianity before making weeping statemnts like your last.
Martin Fox
I'm somebody: f...@stt.msu.edu
steven
In article <56qjmj$j...@valhalla.comshare.com>, mi...@comshare.com says...
>>Let's be absolutely clear on the issue of antisemitism within the realm
>>of christendom. YOU CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN AND BE AN ANTISEMITE! PERIOD!!
>>AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T LIKE THAT, _GO FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER RELIGION
>>TO PEDDLE YOUR POISON IN_!!!
>
>trouble reconciling their faith in Jesus and the murder and torture
>of those darn stubborn Jews who couldn't get it through their darn
>thick skulls that Jesus DIED <bonk> FOR <bonk> THEIR <bonk> SINS
><bonk>, dag nabbit.
>
>And even as recently as earlier this year, the Southern Baptists set out
>to work towards getting Jews to convert to Christianity. Doesn't that
>smack of anti-Jewish sentiment?
>
>If someone can't stand to let the Jews continue to be Jewish, whether
>by killing them and stealing their property, or by converting them to
>Christianity, doesn't that mean they're just another brand of
>anti-semite? Maybe just an anti-semite with a whole lotta love in
>their heart in Jesus' name amen.
>
>Consult Devarim (Deuteronomy) 13:1 for some further illumination.
>
> -Mike Pelletier
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What really galls me is when a christian professes to "love you," but then
gets very nasty with you when you won't convert. Or agree with their pitch.
Or get the better of them in an argument.
steven
Lars-Toralf Storstrand
In article <328F03...@hamp.hampshire.edu>, epr...@hamp.hampshire.edu wrote:
> Aparently no everyone has yet figured out exactly that all religion
> which is accepted blindly and without logical thought and perceived
> thought on how it affects others is purely mind control and
> worthless.
>
>
> All religion is mind control.
How true it is, what you say there my friend. But you have forgot one
important thing. RELIGION is what is ORGANIZED by MAN - all of it, that
is. What's found in the Bible is NOT A RELIGION, even though one can use
it to make a religion. The trick is not to interprete the Word of God but
let the Ruach Ha Kodesh (The Holy Spirit) interprete it for each one of
us, because HE is the only one who does understand.
John Harrison
>>> Here are some FACTS:
>>> Mary was a Jew
>>> Joseph was a Jew
>>> Jesus was a Jew
>>> Paul was a Jew
>>> Thomas was a Jew
>>> Peter was a Jew
>>> Mark was a Jew
>>>
>>> Jesus was diligent in going to the Temple.
>>>
>>> Stop making a fool of yourself and giving all Christians a reputation
>>> for racism and bigotry.
All above is quite true. Many Jewish people have become Christians.
There is probably more anti-Christian prejudice in the world today
than any other . Adherents to Muslin, Jewish, and atheism would rather
Christians go away. Current events in entertainment and media belittle
Christians. Even now, those that disparage Christianity bring up
events from many years ago to justify their anti-Christian
perspective. I believe today's people who are faithful Christians (not
just by birth) are helping people throughout the world regardless of
their religion Mother Angelica and Pope John are without peer as were
Dr. Schweitzer in Africa and Tom Dooley in Asia.
Ethel Jean Saltz
It's such a shame, but with a handful of exceptions, it is so sadly
true for me. They feel you are insulting them by not participating in
their adoration of Jesus and listening to their carols. I had some
really good Christian friends, and it all came apart because of this.
Is this judenhass? I don't think it is. I think it is plain arrogance.
The arrogance of the peer group. Same arrogance as occurs in frats and
sororities. And, further, when you think of it, it occurred among the
German Jews who came to this country, even during WWII and looked down
on non-German Jews.
sam...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (steven) wrote:
>--------------------------------------------
>steven
be-ahavah ve-shalom EthelJean of Creekbend
MAC-NIET-SPIN-GAL/0387A.G./Khai Y'all
gms
In articl
> sam...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (steven) wrote:
>
>
>
> >What really galls me is when a christian professes to "love you," but then
> >gets very nasty with you when you won't convert. Or agree with their pitch.
> >Or get the better of them in an argument.
>
> >steven
they have invited us to their homes and dinners, and have been very loving
and open to us, and told us that we should live our lives like they do,
and when we don't, they get very self-righteous and nasty, too. I guess it
must be human nature that people need to belong to a peer group, and each
group thinks that they know the one and only true path to God. Too bad we
can't accept that we're all trying to get to the same destination, even
though our routes may vary.
--Amaryll
El'Azar
> Mother Angelica and Pope John are without peer as were
> Dr. Schweitzer in Africa and Tom Dooley in Asia.
I don't know about Mother Angelica and Tom Dooley. But as far as goes the
third guy you mention, (his real name is Karol Wojtyla) he is a nazi war
criminal.
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<a href="http://home.sol.no/xlts"></a>
Lars-Toralf Storstrand
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David M. Baron, M.D.
John Harrison wrote:
>
> >>> Here are some FACTS:
> >>> Mary was a Jew
> >>> Joseph was a Jew
> >>> Jesus was a Jew
> >>> Paul was a Jew
> >>> Thomas was a Jew
> >>> Peter was a Jew
> >>> Mark was a Jew
> >>>
> >>> Jesus was diligent in going to the Temple.
> >>>
> >>> Stop making a fool of yourself and giving all Christians a reputation
> >>> for racism and bigotry.
> All above is quite true. Many Jewish people have become Christians.
> There is probably more anti-Christian prejudice in the world today
> than any other . Adherents to Muslin, Jewish, and atheism would rather
> Christians go away. Current events in entertainment and media belittle
> Christians. Even now, those that disparage Christianity bring up
> events from many years ago to justify their anti-Christian
> perspective. I believe today's people who are faithful Christians (not
> just by birth) are helping people throughout the world regardless of
> Dr. Schweitzer in Africa and Tom Dooley in Asia.
Are you just talking about the "whitebread" Christians, or the born again
types? The born again types are the intollerable ones who, so
obnoxiously invade all of our personal spaces. If the Southern Baptist
mission is to get all Jewish people to abandon the Torah, aren't they
self dispariging? This is not an event from many years ago, pal.
"Faithful" Christians are probably the worst of all. There is no way I
can believe that the match to relight the ovens isn't in the hand of a
"faithful" Xtian, ready to strike at a moments notice. The reason
Xtianity is maligned by every other religious/ethnic group in the world,
is that your Xtian hands are soaked in the blood of those who don't
believe like you.
David M. Baron, M.D.
Chris
Interesting, there is a 'TRICK'.
Did you learn of The Holy Spirit through reading the bible?
El'Azar
Since you ask: YES! 1Cor 2:9. Religion is Man Made. Faith is G-d-given.
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<a href="http://home.sol.no/xlts"></a>
El'Azar
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xona
Nope. Most christians are very decent people, at least that has been my
personal experience. The trouble is with religious fundamentalists,
such as the Falwell and Robertson crowd, they are Nazis in every way
you can think of.
Was Jesus gay, well there is about a 12% to 15% chance he was.
Xona
fa...@wzrd.com
In article <56qjmj$j...@valhalla.comshare.com>,
mi...@comshare.com (Mike Pelletier) wrote:
>
> And even as recently as earlier this year, the Southern Baptists set out
> to work towards getting Jews to convert to Christianity. Doesn't that
> smack of anti-Jewish sentiment?
>
Not necessarily. It's more like if I want Bruce Smith to play defensive end for
my high school varsity team & then can't understand why he won't. "But Bruce!
We're talking VARSITY here!"
In other words, these folks could just be ignoramuses. I think they don't have
a clue as to why they're unsuccessful at converting Jews.
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Subject: Re: Help---Voyeurism in Campgrounds and Hostels
Date: 12 Oct 1996 21:29:22 -0400
jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
>sickly Ney York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
>have sex with prostitutes. Somehow he got the idea that
>all homosexuals are anti-prostitution, so he routinely posts
>inane articles like the one above to phabulous assortments of
>newsgroups. He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so with any
>luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history.
Here is how I got the idea that MOST (not all) homosexuals are anti-
prostitution. Did you ever hear of the "Reverend" Robert W. Wood, formerly
pastor of the Zion United Church of Christ, Newark New Jersey and spiritual
leader of the Mattachine Society of New York? The Mattachine Society of New
York was one of only three homosexual organizations on the East Coast of
the United States back in 1964.
In 1964 I had been a member of an organization called the New York City
League for Sexual Freedom. This had been an organization of ALL sexual
orientations which advocated and demonstrated for the rights of ALL sexual
minorities. For example, on 8/23/64, I was the central figure in a
demonstration for decriminalization of prostitution. On 9/19/64 I was one
of the participants in a demonstration for homosexual rights.
At that time there was only one homosexual rights organization in New York
City, namely the Mattachine Society. The next thing that happened was that
a large number of homosexuals and lesbians from the Mattachine Society
joined the New York City League for Sexual Freedom and took over. They
elected their people to lead the New York City League for Sexual Freedom.
Under their leadership, the League stopped advocating decriminalization of
prostitution and, instead, began to advocate homosexual child-molesting.
That's when I started to be homophobic. I decided, as a means of protest,
to mail out a large number of postcards denouncing one of the leaders of
the Mattachine Society. I decided to denounce the Reverend Robert W. Wood
of the United Church of Christ. He agreed with many people that the world
is overpopulated, but then he went on the preach the doctrine of homosexual
superiority. He said that God had created homosexuality in order to counter
the population explosion. On the way he also said that abortion and
sterilization were immoral. And, of course, like most homosexuals, he
argued that prostitution was also immoral.
I specifically denounced him for insinuating that Jesus Christ was a
homosexual. I think it is obvious that when a Christian clergyman claims
that Jesus Christ was a homosexual, that clergyman is claiming that
homosexuals are morally superior to heterosexuals.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there are only three male homosexuals who
do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
heterosexuals. One of them is Roedy Green. Another one is Randolph Wicker.
And the third one is Quentin Crisp.
Here is some more material for you. This is something I posted on
ComPUserve, before I was censored by the homos there.
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Fm: FRED CHERRY 70671,3677
To: Bob Riffle 71270,3070
Sir,
You say you've never heard of a gay or lesbian spouting hatred of prostitutes?
Well, let me clue you in.
On page 28 of the NY Daily News dated 4/7/86, there is a column by Cal Thomas,
a conservative (to say the least) commentator. The column sez, in part:
Why not repeal laws against statutory rape, even
if both parties consent? Why not similarly repeal laws
against incest, prostitution and even drug use, if
done in private?
Tom Stoddard, executive director of the Lambda
Legal Defense and Education Fund, an organization
representing homosexuals, says he would still favor
such laws because they seek to prevent "dangerous
things" and engaging in such behavior causes
"harm to others."
Have you people forgotten the message I posted just a couple of weeks ago? On
that occasion, in message # 24433, I pointed out that former NY City Mayor
Koch had, in a letter to the NEW YORK POST, compared prostitutes & johns to
"garbage in the streets" & "odor, disease, and rats." I didn't give the date
in that previous message, so here it is. The source is the NEW YORK POST,
dated 10/9/79, Page 25. I assume that this newspaper is available in the
newspaper branch of the New York Public Library. If not, I can upload it on
request.
Here's an even worse example taken from a book titled: THE ASBESTOS DIARY. THE
ASBESTOS DIARY is a book of homosexual fiction which was advertised in The New
York Times Book Review repeatedly during the summer and fall of 1966 starting
on 7/3/66. The book describes a fictional incident in which the hero beats a
woman prostitute into a state of unconsciousness, and then performs an act of
obscene mutilation on her unconscious body.
I believe that THE ASBESTOS DIARY is presently available in more than one
homosexual bookstore in New York City. I do know that this book is or was on
the official list of recommended books of NAMBLA.
This type of book encourages killers of prostitutes.
Themadmailer
(70671,3677)
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In writing about me you say: "He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so
with any luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history."
Don't count on it. It doesn't take much energy to sit at a keyboard and
type. In fact I don't even have to do that. Most of my stuff is cut and
paste. Furthermore, I had an uncle who lived to the age of ninety. So,
you're stuck with me for another twenty years.
Of course there are homos who are trying to instigate someone to murder me.
Here is what I mean.
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From: A Poet laurete <lega...@bullshiticus.com>
Subject: An Ode to Fred Cherry
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Twas the night before Judgement Day
and all thru the house
not a creature was stirring
except Fred the louse.
He was glued to his monitor
making a list
of all the bad people
having homosexual trysts.
His list was for Jesus
who Fred was sure
would condemn the naughty homos
for their email and slurs.
Fred knew he was right
his hate had no bounds
and all because
his asshole was made out of round.
Faster and faster
did poor Fred type
so obsorbed
in his newsgroup hype
He didn't notice the sound on the stair
The sound of a bulky man
with long dirty hair.
Straight from prison
with a hard on to share
slowly he crept
into poor Fred's lair.
Fred jumped with a start
then was frozen with fear
there stood the homo-rapist
hung like a bear.
While pumping Fred's ass
the rapist pistol did roar
he splattered Fred's brains
finally silencing Fred's keyboard.
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That isn't going to work, either. I have a strong steel door at the
entrance to my apartment, with TWO strong locks. I'm never out of my
apartment at night. So, it isn't that easy to murder me.
What's the big idea of describing me as a New York Jew? And YOU have the
audacity to complain about ME? There are so many homonazis around here who
complain about the so-called bigotry of others. Here is an example of one
of them.
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From: eea...@mixcom.com (Apuleius)
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Subject: Re: Where does which Bible condem Homosexuality?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:05:02 GMT
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>The only parts of the Bible I accept are the Books of the Maccabees. This
>is NOT in the Kink James version of the Bible, but it is in the Douay
>(Roman Catholic) version of the Bible. These books describe how my Glorious
>Ancestors, the Maccabees fought and won a war against homosexual
>oppression. This material may also be found in "The Oxford Annotated Bible
>with the Apocrypha, Revised Standard Version", New York, Oxford University
>Press, 1965.
Pagans were quite tolerant of other religions. Those not acceptable
were usually ones having political overtones deemed dangerous to the
state.
Judaism brought INTOLERANCE into Western Civilization.
What goes around, comes around.
There is a straight and narrow road running from Leviticus to
Auschwitz.
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This homonazi Apuleius seems to be just about the most prolific poster on
all of usenet. He posts his Jew-hating messages in so many places that it
is impossible to keep up with him.
And there's no greater homonazi on the internet than Rod Swift,
the evil Australian homonazi...
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Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - Lincoln
Bjørnar H. Nilsen
jo...@heterosexual.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
>jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
>>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
>>sickly Ney York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
>>have sex with prostitutes. Somehow he got the idea that
>>all homosexuals are anti-prostitution, so he routinely posts
>>inane articles like the one above to phabulous assortments of
>>newsgroups. He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so with any
>>luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history.
>Here is how I got the idea that MOST (not all) homosexuals are anti-
>prostitution. Did you ever hear of the "Reverend" Robert W. Wood, formerly
Don't you worry about the homo's they are only 3-5 percent of the
population. They don't have that influence.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hetero and against prostitution
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yehuda Igor Yeroslavski
Dear Fred,
forget about Mr.J. Christ, tell us something about Mrs. M. Magdalina
Sincerely yours
Igal
Fred Cherry (jo...@heterosexual.com) wrote:
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: Sir,
: Themadmailer
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Jenner
bhni...@online.no (Bjørnar H. Nilsen) wrote:
: jo...@heterosexual.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
: >jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
: >>Welcome to the bizarre twisted world of Fred Cherry, a bitter,
: >>sickly Ney York Jew who has devoted his life to his right to
: >>have sex with prostitutes. Somehow he got the idea that
: >>all homosexuals are anti-prostitution, so he routinely posts
: >>inane articles like the one above to phabulous assortments of
: >>newsgroups. He's in his 70's and not a healthy chap, so with any
: >>luck he'll die soon, and his net abuse will be history.
: >Here is how I got the idea that MOST (not all) homosexuals are anti-
: >prostitution. Did you ever hear of the "Reverend" Robert W. Wood,
formerly
: Don't you worry about the homo's they are only 3-5 percent of the
: population. They don't have that influence.
Worry about the eer growing supporters of equal rights who aren't just 3-5
percent of the population.
-- jenner
http://shell.idt.net/~jenner29
Ward Stewart
jo...@heterosexual.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
> On the way he also said that abortion and
>sterilization were immoral. And, of course, like most homosexuals, he
>argued that prostitution was also immoral.
>I specifically denounced him for insinuating that Jesus Christ was a
>homosexual. I think it is obvious that when a Christian clergyman claims
>that Jesus Christ was a homosexual, that clergyman is claiming that
>homosexuals are morally superior to heterosexuals.
You really are a nasty creepy little man.
In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
This is not a zero sum game -- EQUALITY, one of the great
American ideals just may have been the objective.
>Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there are only three male homosexuals who
>do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
>heterosexuals. One of them is Roedy Green. Another one is Randolph Wicker.
>And the third one is Quentin Crisp.
You have made some odd assumptions -- what is happening is
that almost everybody on the planet feels themselves the
moral superior of Cherry -- and with GOOD reason.
This has unhinged your witz and you have decided in your
paranois, that Gays are out to get you.
creep back under your stone
ward
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The government was finally made to give a reason
for sex discrimination in marriage and it turned out...
there isn't one."
Evan Wolfson
John De Salvio
> jo...@heterosexual.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
> >Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there are only three male homosexuals who
> >do not take the attitude that they are somehow morally superior to
> >heterosexuals.
This is a test. It is only a test.
With your alleged mastery of the history of the gay rights movement,
you should know who this man is:
Charlie Hayden.
Do you?
--
John
NOTE ã "FROM:" is deliberately wrong. My correct email address is:
The Generalissimo
Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> You really are a nasty creepy little man.
>
> In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
statement again.
Actual article from the LA Times.
"In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and his
homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
"I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped Raggot, our
gerbil, in," he explained. "As usual, Kiki shouted out "Armageddon", my
cue that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve Raggot but he wouldn't
come out again, so I peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the
light might attract him." At a hushed press conference, a hospital spokesman
described what happened next. "The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas
and a flame shot out the tubing, igniting Mr Tomaszewski's hair and severely
burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers which
in turn ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the intestine,
propelling the rodent out like a cannonball." Tomaszewski suffered
second degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the
gerbil, while Farnum suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and
lower intestinal tract.
TOP TEN SCARIEST THINGS ABOUT THIS STORY
10) "I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum . . ." Ouch!!!
9) "So I peered into the tube . . ." Aaaaaahhhhhhh. I'm sorry, but
that's like looking through a telescope into hell. I'd rather use
binoculars to stare at the sun.
8) That poor gerbil (who obviously suffers from low self-esteem) being
shot out of the guy's anus like Rocky the Flying Squirrel on Rocky
& Bullwinkle.
7) Suffering a broken nose from a gerbil being launched out of
someone's anus. I'm just guessing, but I seriously doubt the said
gerbil was springtime fresh after his little journey into Kiki's
"tunnel of love."
6) People walking around with these volcanic-like pockets of gas in
their rectums.
5) People who do this kind of thing and then admit what they were
doing when taken to the emergency room. Sorry, but I think I would have
made up a story about a gang of roving, pyromaniac, anal sex fiends
breaking into my house and sodomizing me with a charcoal lighter
before I admitted the truth. Call me old fashioned, but I just
can't imagine looking at a doctor and saying "Well doc, it's like
this. See we have this gerbil named Raggot and we took this
cardboard tube . . ."
4) "First and second degree burns to the anus". Wouldn't this make
the burning itch and discomfort of hemmoroids a welcome relief? How
does one ever take a healthy poop after something like this?
And the smell of burning anus must be in the top five most horrible
scents on the face of God's green earth.
3) People named "Kiki" which is obviously a Polynesian word for:
"Idiotic gay men who insert rodents up their butts.
2) What kind of a hospital would hold a press conference on this?
1) That anyone, even gays, would be sick enough to do this. What astounding
lack of morals. How could a sensitive gay be so cruel to an animal.
The Generalissimo
The Generalissimo wrote:
>
> Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> >
> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> >
> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>
> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> statement again.
And please reemember ward, these are the stable, committed relationships you speak soooo
warmly of in all your posts. Should these guys be married? What a joke.
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The Generalissimo
The Generalissimo wrote:
>
> Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> >
> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> >
> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>
> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> statement again.
And please remember ward, these are the stable, committed relationships you speak soooo
Susan C. Mitchell
: >
: > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
: >
: > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
: > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
: > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
: Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
: statement again.
: Actual article from the LA Times.
Umlaut, if you believe even *one word* of this anecdote, I recommend that
you check out
http://www.urbanlegends.com/animals/gerbilling/gerbil_tailpipe.html
for more information on this urban LEGEND, repeat, LEGEND.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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John Sanger
In article <32A8F7...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
>The Generalissimo wrote:
>>
>> Ward Stewart wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
>> >
>> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
>> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
>> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>>
>> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
>> statement again.
>
>
And the story was fiction.... it never actually did happen...... You
forgot the apology from the LA Times for having printed the bogus
story.....
clueless is as clueless does!
nich40==clueless==ignoramus
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The Generalissimo wrote:
>
> Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> >
> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> >
> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>
> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> statement again.
>
> "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and
his
homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
snip
Even IF, this article really did appear it any newspaper, and IF that
newspaper was any more to be trusted than practically all other
"provacatively sensasional articles for ratings and profit regardless of
the factuality of the article" newsrags, this story in no way represents
the "moral superiority" of either GROUP.
If we research thoroughly enough, I'm sure we can find evidence to
support the notion that all groups of human beings contain those
individuals that could be considered deviants and perverts, and if you
really believe that equally repulsive acts aren't committed by
heterosexuals too, you and Mary Poppins might both want to crawl back
into the movie screen and avoid real life even more effectively than you
already do. Most cases of child molestation are committed by
heterosexuals. How morally superior is that?
Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
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Ward Stewart wrote:
> >> Actual article from the LA Times.
>
> Not for an instant do I imagine that such junk-stuff was
> EVER published in the LA Times -- not even in the
> supermarket papers!
Oh, Ward. A real journalist wouldn't write like this about that. Of
course it's a troll. BTW: are you far from Pali Lookout? I wanna go
back to my little brown shack...
Kevin, surviving soc.motss
The Generalissimo
John Sanger wrote:
>
> In article <32A8F7...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
> >>
> >> Ward Stewart wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> >> >
> >> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> >> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> >> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
> >>
> >> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> >> statement again.
> >
> >warmly of in all your posts. Should these guys be married? What a joke.
> >
>
> And the story was fiction.... it never actually did happen...... You
> forgot the apology from the LA Times for having printed the bogus
> story.....
Never saw the retraction, the names it mentioned were hardly ones a
person would make up, and the article contained quotes from the
hospital's PR staff. If they made this up, where did the quotes come
from? Why not get on the net and look these gays up. With last manes
like the "tubee" had there could only be a few in Salt Lake.
>
> clueless is as clueless does!
>
> nich40==clueless==ignoramus
And ignorant chickenshit gays post nothing but insults. What a suprise
>
> --
> Ciao!
> John S. 8^{)>
> tedd...@netcom.com
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the party of heart, humanity, and justice, but to those
removed a few paces it looked like Captain Hooks crew --
ambulance chasing lawyers, rapacious public policy grants
persons, civil rights gamesmen, ditzy brained movie stars,
fat assed civil servant desk squatters, recovering alcoholics,
recovering wife beaters, recovering child-buggers, and so forth
and so on, a grotesque line up of ill mannered, self pitying,
caterwauling freeloaders banging their tin cups on the pavement
demanding handouts". (The Washington post, 11/12/94) Nicholas Von
Hoffman
The Generalissimo
Susan C. Mitchell wrote:
>
> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
> : Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> : >
> : > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> : >
> : > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> : > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> : > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>
> : Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> : statement again.
>
>
> : "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
> : trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
> : in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and his
> : homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
> : emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
I guess that would be the best cover one could come up with. Call it a
legend. Better yet, look up Eric Tomaszewski in the Salt Lake phone
book and ask him yourself.
>
> for more information on this urban LEGEND, repeat, LEGEND.
>
> Think globally, act locally.
> Susan
>
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The Generalissimo
Rodney Allebach wrote:
>
> The Generalissimo wrote:
> >
> > Ward Stewart wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
> > >
> > > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
> > > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
> > > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
> >
> > Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
> > statement again.
> >
> > Actual article from the LA Times.
>
> > "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
> trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
> in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and
> his
> homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
> emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
>
>
> Even IF, this article really did appear it any newspaper, and IF that
> newspaper was any more to be trusted than practically all other
> "provacatively sensasional articles for ratings and profit regardless of
> the factuality of the article" newsrags, this story in no way represents
> the "moral superiority" of either GROUP.
>
> If we research thoroughly enough, I'm sure we can find evidence to
> support the notion that all groups of human beings contain those
> individuals that could be considered deviants and perverts, and if you
> really believe that equally repulsive acts aren't committed by
> heterosexuals too, you and Mary Poppins might both want to crawl back
> into the movie screen and avoid real life even more effectively than you
> already do.
You mean avoid the scum and immorality of what now is passed off as real life.
> Most cases of child molestation are committed by
> heterosexuals. How morally superior is that?
Now this is hysterical. If you discribe a homosexual as two people of the same
sex having sex, quite a common discription, gays that account for 10% of the
population account for about 50% of child molestation. I know, I know, the gays
have already informed me that just because they are both the same sex and
having sex does not make them homosexuals. Give me a break. The definition of
homosexual is two partners of the same sex...
>
> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
more immoral heterosexuals.
>
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>
> Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for.
>
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Ward Stewart
The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
>The Generalissimo wrote:
>>
>> Ward Stewart wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
>> >
>> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
>> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
>> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>>
>> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
>> statement again.
>And please remember ward, these are the stable, committed relationships you speak soooo
>warmly of in all your posts. Should these guys be married? What a joke.
>>
>> Actual article from the LA Times.
Not for an instant do I imagine that such junk-stuff was
EVER published in the LA Times -- not even in the
supermarket papers!
>>
>> "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
>> trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
>> in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and his
>> homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
The L A Times is a paper of public record -- their files can
be accessed -- either provide a specific citation and date
or admit that you have been broadcasting a malicious lie.
ward
>> emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
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John Sanger
In article <32AA29...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
>John Sanger wrote:
>>
>> In article <32A8F7...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
>> >>
>> >> Ward Stewart wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
>> >> > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
>> >> > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
>> >> statement again.
>> >
>> >warmly of in all your posts. Should these guys be married? What a joke.
>> >
>>
>> forgot the apology from the LA Times for having printed the bogus
>> story.....
>
>
>Never saw the retraction, the names it mentioned were hardly ones a
>person would make up, and the article contained quotes from the
>hospital's PR staff. If they made this up, where did the quotes come
>from? Why not get on the net and look these gays up. With last manes
>like the "tubee" had there could only be a few in Salt Lake.
>
happen, I do not need to do more..... This story is so old that it has
moss growing on it..... It was first mentioned about 2 years ago.....
and the hospital stated then that it was bogus....
>
>>
>> clueless is as clueless does!
>>
>> nich40==clueless==ignoramus
>
>And ignorant chickenshit gays post nothing but insults. What a suprise
>
Oh, I am the one using my real name and you are the one hiding behind a
fake name.......
clueless is as clueless does!
nich40==clueless==ignoramus
--
John Sanger
Don't have to, when this story first surfaced from the keyboard of a
mentally challenged xian, it was denied by the hospital......
That was about 2 years ago......
John Sanger
In article <32AA2C...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
>Rodney Allebach wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Ward Stewart wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > You really are a nasty creepy little man.
>> > >
>> > > In the hatefulness of your delusional state it did not, of
>> > > course, occur to you that he might be suggesting that
>> > > heterosexuals are NOT the moral superior of homosexuals.
>> >
>> > Sorry ward, read the following story from the L.A. Times, and then make that same
>> > statement again.
>> >
>> > Actual article from the LA Times.
>>
>> > "In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only
>> trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors
>> in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomaszewski, and
>> his
>> homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for
>> emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong.
>>
>>
>> Even IF, this article really did appear it any newspaper, and IF that
>> newspaper was any more to be trusted than practically all other
>> "provacatively sensasional articles for ratings and profit regardless of
>> the factuality of the article" newsrags, this story in no way represents
>> the "moral superiority" of either GROUP.
>>
>> If we research thoroughly enough, I'm sure we can find evidence to
>> support the notion that all groups of human beings contain those
>> individuals that could be considered deviants and perverts, and if you
>> really believe that equally repulsive acts aren't committed by
>> heterosexuals too, you and Mary Poppins might both want to crawl back
>> into the movie screen and avoid real life even more effectively than you
>> already do.
>
>You mean avoid the scum and immorality of what now is passed off as real life.
>
>> Most cases of child molestation are committed by
>> heterosexuals. How morally superior is that?
>
>Now this is hysterical. If you discribe a homosexual as two people of the same
>sex having sex, quite a common discription, gays that account for 10% of the
>population account for about 50% of child molestation. I know, I know, the gays
>have already informed me that just because they are both the same sex and
>having sex does not make them homosexuals. Give me a break. The definition of
>homosexual is two partners of the same sex...
>
You are showing everbody just how very ignorant you really are......
The Official Report from the FBI regarding "child molestation" states
very clearly that 90% of all molesters of children are heterosexual
males often a close relative. That apx 7% are heterosexual females
often a close relative. The remaining 3% is a mix of homosexuals and
others <the others category is one that the FBI supplies>
>>
>> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
>> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
>> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
>
>Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
>excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
>more immoral heterosexuals.
>
Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
homosexual....
Apuleius
jsta...@gate.net (John A. Stanley) wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== In article <DzFBM...@heterosexual.com>,
== jo...@heterosexual.com (Fred Cherry) wrote:
==
== [major snipola of Fred's paranoid delusions]
==
== >What's the big idea of describing me as a New York Jew?
==
== You're in New York, yes? You're Jewish, yes?
That's great. His paranoia is so deep.
==
== --
== John A. Stanley jsta...@gate.net
==
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The Generalissimo
Exactly correct. If a male molests a male child, it is a homosexual act, hence he is, at
least some of the time, a homosexual. Its like the old joke, "Just suck one little
dick...". I really don't care how many hererosexual conquests a person has. All it takes
is one homosexual act, and you are a homosexual. So if we can beleive the dictionary,
"being attracted to, or engaging in sexual relations with a member of the same sex"
Therefore, any male that has sex with a male, regardless of age, is a homosexual. Sorry but
the english language kind of shoots down your arguement.
> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
> >
> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> >more immoral heterosexuals.
> >
>
> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
> homosexual....
I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
environmental, not genetic.
>
> clueless is as clueless does!
Buttfuckers is as buttfuckers does!
>
> nich40==clueless==ignoramus
John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
>
> --
> Ciao!
> John S. 8^{)>
> tedd...@netcom.com
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Sorry but you are so very wrong and it seems very ignorant of the
subject which you brought up...... how pathetic ....
>
>> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
>> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
>> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
>> >
>> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
>> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
>> >more immoral heterosexuals.
>> >
>>
>> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
>> homosexual....
>
>I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
>population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
>environmental, not genetic.
>
Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
homosexuals as there are more people period..... and therefor the 10% of
the population is now a greater number than it was in previous
years.....
You are really so ignorant that you make yourself look so very foolish
by your postings.....
>
>John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
>
Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
have shown yourself to be.......
clueless is as clueless does!
nich40==clueless==ignoramus==LIAR
The Generalissimo
What is funny is that your only evidence to refute the evidence I post is the above
sentence over and over and over and....
> >
> >> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> >> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> >> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
> >> >
> >> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> >> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> >> >more immoral heterosexuals.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
> >> homosexual....
> >
> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
> >environmental, not genetic.
> >
>
> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
> and therefor the 10% of
> the population is now a greater number than it was in previous
> years.....
Again incase you could not read the above, The percentage of homosexual and bi-sexuals
increase, not just the absolute #'s
> You are really so ignorant that you make yourself look so very foolish
> by your postings.....
>
The same old sentence over and over and over and....
> >
> >John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
> >
>
> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
> have shown yourself to be.......
There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
hard to blame their condition on someone else.
>
> clueless is as clueless does!
>
> nich40==clueless==ignoramus==LIAR
Buttfuckers is as buttfuckers does.
>
> --
> Ciao!
> John S. 8^{)>
> tedd...@netcom.com
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removed a few paces it looked like Captain Hooks crew --
ambulance chasing lawyers, rapacious public policy grants
persons, civil rights gamesmen, ditzy brained movie stars,
fat assed civil servant desk squatters, recovering alcoholics,
recovering wife beaters, recovering child-buggers, and so forth
and so on, a grotesque line up of ill mannered, self pitying,
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demanding handouts". (The Washington post, 11/12/94) Nicholas Von Hoffman
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John Sanger
What you post is not true and is only your paranoid opinion completely
without any support..... how pathetic of you to continue to insist that
your ignorant opinion has some value.....
>
>> >
>> >> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
>> >> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
>> >> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
>> >> >
>> >> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
>> >> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
>> >> >more immoral heterosexuals.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
>> >> homosexual....
>> >
>> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
>> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
>> >environmental, not genetic.
>> >
>>
>> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
>> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
>
>No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
>HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
>
You are so very wrong..... the actual numbers do go up as the population
numbers go up because the percentage remains the same, 10%......
>> and therefor the 10% of
>> the population is now a greater number than it was in previous
>> years.....
>
>Again incase you could not read the above, The percentage of homosexual and bi-sexuals
>increase, not just the absolute #'s
>
No, the percentage does not increase.... homosexuality is something
people are born with.... it is not something society can cause to
happen.... it is a sexual orientation..... it is not caused by stress...
>
>> You are really so ignorant that you make yourself look so very foolish
>> by your postings.....
>>
>
>The same old sentence over and over and over and....
>
Well, you do not seem to be able to counter what I am saying..... is
that because what I say is correct...... That must be the case or you
would be able to counter it....
>
>> >
>> >John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
>> >
>>
>> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
>> have shown yourself to be.......
>
>There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
>you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
>hard to blame their condition on someone else.
>
I am not seeking to blame any condition on anyone..... but you are....
now did your mother ever tell you who your father was..... That is a
good reason for you to be blaming your ignorance upon others......
clueless is as clueless does!
nich40==clueless==ignoramus==LIAR
--
GdDoggie/Patrick
On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:31:46 -0800, The Generalissimo
<nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
<snip>
>> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
>> >> homosexual....
>> >
>> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
>> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
>> >environmental, not genetic.
>>
>> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
>> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
>
>No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
>HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
And so what percantage are we up to now? Your bigoted brethren would
disagree with you and say that the percantage is 1-2%.
<snip>
>> >John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
>> >
>>
>> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
>> have shown yourself to be.......
>
>There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
>you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
>hard to blame their condition on someone else.
In all of his posts, I don't believe John has ever intimated his
sexual preference. Perhaps he just likes baiting bigots like yourself.
P.S. 'Gay' is an adjective and not a noun.
- Patrick
GdDoggie/Patrick
On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 07:38:45 -0800, The Generalissimo
<nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
<snip>
>> The Official Report from the FBI regarding "child molestation" states
>> very clearly that 90% of all molesters of children are heterosexual
>> males often a close relative.
>
>Exactly correct. If a male molests a male child, it is a homosexual act, hence he is, at
>least some of the time, a homosexual. Its like the old joke, "Just suck one little
>dick...". I really don't care how many hererosexual conquests a person has. All it takes
>is one homosexual act, and you are a homosexual. So if we can beleive the dictionary,
>"being attracted to, or engaging in sexual relations with a member of the same sex"
>Therefore, any male that has sex with a male, regardless of age, is a homosexual. Sorry but
>the english language kind of shoots down your arguement.
So, if a 17-year-old has one homosexual experience, and goes on to
marry, have 10 kids, and die of old age without having another
homosexual encounter in his lifetime, he dies a homosexual? I don't
think so.
>> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
>> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
>> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
>> >
>> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
>> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
>> >more immoral heterosexuals.
Ignoring one's sexuality and living a lie, as many heterosexists
insist gay men and lesbians should do, is perhaps the height of
immorality.
>> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
>> homosexual....
>
>I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
>population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
>environmental, not genetic.
Sorry. It does no such thing.
- Patrick
Mike McMullin
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 05:20:21 GMT, tedd...@netcom.com (John Sanger)
wrote:
[.................] much deleted
>>> Umlaut, if you believe even *one word* of this anecdote, I recommend that
>>> you check out
>>>
>>
>>I guess that would be the best cover one could come up with. Call it a
>>legend. Better yet, look up Eric Tomaszewski in the Salt Lake phone
>>book and ask him yourself.
>>
>
>Don't have to, when this story first surfaced from the keyboard of a
>mentally challenged xian, it was denied by the hospital......
>That was about 2 years ago......
Have we got any proof of exactly who posted this or are we just
gunning for some people we don't like?
> clueless is as clueless does!
I've noticed that. :((
Mike
The Generalissimo
John Sanger wrote:
>
> In article <32AB41...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
> >John Sanger wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <32AAE1...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
> >> >John Sanger wrote:
Snip
No, BF skinner's work is first year sociology in college. You are the one with no facts
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> >> >> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> >> >> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> >> >> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> >> >> >more immoral heterosexuals.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
> >> >> homosexual....
> >> >
> >> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
> >> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
> >> >environmental, not genetic.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
> >> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
> >
> >No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
> >HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
> >
>
> You are so very wrong..... the actual numbers do go up as the population
> numbers go up because the percentage remains the same, 10%......
You had better read this book again. You are wrong. The % actually goes up. There goes
your smokescreen that you had to show it is not your fault.
>
> >> and therefor the 10% of
> >> the population is now a greater number than it was in previous
> >> years.....
> >
> >Again incase you could not read the above, The percentage of homosexual and bi-sexuals
> >increase, not just the absolute #'s
> >
>
> No, the percentage does not increase.... homosexuality is something
> people are born with.... it is not something society can cause to
> happen.... it is a sexual orientation..... it is not caused by stress...
>
No John, read harder. The % goes up. You really shoud read it before you post inaccuracies
over and over and over...
>
> >> You are really so ignorant that you make yourself look so very foolish
> >> by your postings.....
> >>
> >
> >The same old sentence over and over and over and....
> >
>
> Well, you do not seem to be able to counter what I am saying..... is
> that because what I say is correct...... That must be the case or you
> would be able to counter it....
>
John, all you have posted is incorrect opinions about some work that you have proven you know
nothing about. You do it most forcefully because you want to be able to rationalize that you
are the victim in your own mind. I do not need to shine the light of day on your self
delusion, but others can really see that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Counter it? I post fact, you post opinion. You can not counter opinion. Opinion is always
correct to the person that owns it. However they may not even be able to understand what
real is.
> >
> >> >
> >> >John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
> >> have shown yourself to be.......
> >
> >There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
> >you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
> >hard to blame their condition on someone else.
> >
> Ciao!
> John S. 8^{)>
> tedd...@netcom.com
> __
--
The Generalissimo
John Sanger wrote:
>
> In article <32AB41...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
> >John Sanger wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <32AAE1...@vegas.infi.net> The Generalissimo <nic...@vegas.infi.net> writes:
> >> >John Sanger wrote:
Snip
I post fact, you post opinion. What is "very wrong"? If 2 males have sex, they are
homosexuals. It is a homosexual act. You call the facts "very wrong" and can not even show
where they are wrong. Kind of shoots your credibility down.
> >
> >What is funny is that your only evidence to refute the evidence I post is the above
> >sentence over and over and over and....
> >
>
> What you post is not true and is only your paranoid opinion completely
> without any support..... how pathetic of you to continue to insist that
> your ignorant opinion has some value.....
>
No, BF skinner's work is first year sociology in college. You are the one with no facts
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> >> >> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> >> >> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> >> >> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> >> >> >more immoral heterosexuals.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
> >> >> homosexual....
> >> >
> >> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
> >> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
> >> >environmental, not genetic.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
> >> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
> >
> >No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
> >HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
> >
>
> You are so very wrong..... the actual numbers do go up as the population
> numbers go up because the percentage remains the same, 10%......
You had better read this book again. You are wrong. The % actually goes up. There goes
your smokescreen that you had to show it is not your fault.
>
> >> and therefor the 10% of
> >> the population is now a greater number than it was in previous
> >> years.....
> >
> >Again incase you could not read the above, The percentage of homosexual and bi-sexuals
> >increase, not just the absolute #'s
> >
>
> No, the percentage does not increase.... homosexuality is something
> people are born with.... it is not something society can cause to
> happen.... it is a sexual orientation..... it is not caused by stress...
>
No John, read harder. The % goes up. You really shoud read it before you post inaccuracies
over and over and over...
>
> >> You are really so ignorant that you make yourself look so very foolish
> >> by your postings.....
> >>
> >
> >The same old sentence over and over and over and....
> >
>
> Well, you do not seem to be able to counter what I am saying..... is
> that because what I say is correct...... That must be the case or you
> would be able to counter it....
>
John, all you have posted is incorrect opinions about some work that you have proven you know
nothing about. You do it most forcefully because you want to be able to rationalize that you
are the victim in your own mind. I do not need to shine the light of day on your self
delusion, but others can really see that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Counter it? I post fact, you post opinion. You can not counter opinion. Opinion is always
correct to the person that owns it. However they may not even be able to understand what
real is.
> >
> >> >
> >> >John S. one big queer looking to show it's just not his fault.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
> >> have shown yourself to be.......
> >
> >There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
> >you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
> >hard to blame their condition on someone else.
> >
> Ciao!
> John S. 8^{)>
> tedd...@netcom.com
> __
--
The Generalissimo
GdDoggie/Patrick wrote:
>
> On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 14:31:46 -0800, The Generalissimo
> <nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> >> homosexual....
> >> >
> >> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
> >> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
> >> >environmental, not genetic.
> >>
> >> Oh, hardly.... as the population increases so does the number of
> >> homosexuals as there are more people period.....
> >
> >No! How ignorant you are. His work shows that as the population increases THE % OF
> >HOMOSEXUALS INCREASE. This is due to increased stress from the environment.
>
> disagree with you and say that the percantage is 1-2%.
>
> <snip>
>
> >> >
> >>
> >> Provide proof that I am a homosexual or be branded as the LIAR that you
> >> have shown yourself to be.......
> >
> >There is really no need. Either you are a gay looking for someplace to hide the fault, or
> >you are a gay that is trying to act straight. Only a "victim" of gayness would work so
> >hard to blame their condition on someone else.
>
> sexual preference. Perhaps he just likes baiting bigots like yourself.
>
> P.S. 'Gay' is an adjective and not a noun.
>
> - Patrick
No gay means happy. I just used the wrong word. Should have said
queer. Anyone with just a little knowledge of psychology does not need
john to "out" himself. It is VERY clear from his posts that he is gay,
uh, queer.
The Generalissimo
GdDoggie/Patrick wrote:
>
> On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 07:38:45 -0800, The Generalissimo
> <nic...@vegas.infi.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> very clearly that 90% of all molesters of children are heterosexual
> >> males often a close relative.
> >
> >Exactly correct. If a male molests a male child, it is a homosexual act, hence he is, at
> >least some of the time, a homosexual. Its like the old joke, "Just suck one little
> >dick...". I really don't care how many hererosexual conquests a person has. All it takes
> >is one homosexual act, and you are a homosexual. So if we can beleive the dictionary,
> >"being attracted to, or engaging in sexual relations with a member of the same sex"
> >Therefore, any male that has sex with a male, regardless of age, is a homosexual. Sorry but
> >the english language kind of shoots down your arguement.
>
> marry, have 10 kids, and die of old age without having another
> homosexual encounter in his lifetime, he dies a homosexual? I don't
> think so.
>
No, but he WAS a homosexual. And further he proved that being gay is a choice.
> >> >> Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> >> >> detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> >> >> engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
> >> >
> >> >Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> >> >excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> >> >more immoral heterosexuals.
>
> Ignoring one's sexuality and living a lie, as many heterosexists
> insist gay men and lesbians should do, is perhaps the height of
> immorality.
>
> >> Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual.... they are born
> >> homosexual....
> >
> >I was waiting for the "we're the victims" line. Please read the work of B.F. Skinner. As
> >population density increases, the instances of homosexuality increases. This proves it is
> >environmental, not genetic.
>
> Sorry. It does no such thing.
>
Another powerful refutation of the facts.
> - Patrick
Mange Grrrl
: Rodney Allebach wrote:
: > Most cases of child molestation are committed by
: > heterosexuals. How morally superior is that?
the vast majority of child molestation is committed by pedophiles. a
pedophile is not a heterosexual or a homosexual, as hetero- and
homo- sexuality both involve attraction to adults. if a male is turned on
by little boys he is not a homosexual. he is a pedophile. if a male is
turned on by little girls he is not a heterosexual. he is a pedophile.
and i say he because most pedophiles are male. does this prove that
women are more moral than are men? of course not. you can't judge the
morality of a group of people by the involvement of some members of the
group in one activity.
--
** Mange Grrrl
ejo...@gl.umbc.edu
"If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game"
-CRASS, "Big A, Little A"
"that kind of god is always man-made
they made him up then wrote a book to keep you on your knees"
- Skunk Anansie, "Selling Jesus"
Jason MacGuinness
Gen.... I notice a couple of little items in your diatripe that you might
want to check into... But in case your memory and your intellect (hah!) are
both gone...
>The definition of homosexual is two partners of the same sex...
Notice the word "partners". I doubt very seriously that even you would
consider an unconsenting 5 year old to be someone's "partner". Sorry, I
forgot, he's your partner.
> Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your
lifestyle
> excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there
aren't even
> more immoral heterosexuals.
"Choose your lifestyle". Oh sure, I chose to be the object of ridicule for
every "moral" asshole in the universe, starting with you. Yeah, right. I
know, I just chose to be lonely, and hated, and the ridicule, scorn and
loathing that you heap on the pile just came about unexpectedly. Does the
word "sarcasm" ring any bells here? And before you start in about "gay
families" or some other bit of misinformation, here's a quick little
newsflash for you, ALL HOMOSEXUALS CAME FROM HETEROSEXUAL UNIONS. No
exceptions, not one. If you really think (look who I'm talking on that
one) that it was a choice for me or anyone else to be gay, then obviously
you also think that the Earth is flat, and that the Bible was originally
written in English.
So here's a message to you ranting, raving, foaming at the mouth, rabid
homophobes: GET THERAPY!!! SOON.
You're sick, twisted and thoroughly out of you mind with self hatred if you
are capable of even THINKING about saying such poisonous garbage to another
human being. Oops, I forgot again, you don't think. You don't understand.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!!
Of course you can come up with all kinds of disgusting little rumors,
myths, and outright lies upon which to base your baseless fears and
hatreds, but when it comes down to it, you haven't a leg to stand on,
moral, or otherwise.
Of course, I don't know you. Maybe your father/stepfather/uncle/older
brother raped you as a child. Maybe you think (there's that word again)
that you have SOME valid reason to be such a total wanker. Maybe you do.
If someone hurt you. If your life was ruined by someone else's cruelty.
If someone has persecuted practically from the day you were born. Then
yes, I would say that you would have a perfectly valid reason to be filled
with such disgust and loathing. But wait a second.... that is what
homosexuals have to put up with from people like you. So YOU have no right
to act that way, but we have a right to be fed up with your immature and
ignorant ravings.
Get a life, Get a clue, Get therapy, and just GET OVER IT.
Coronal
The Generalissimo wrote:
>
> Rodney Allebach wrote:
> > Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
> > detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
> > engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
>
> Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
> excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
> more immoral heterosexuals.
But we make no pretense that such individuals represent the majority of
heteros.
You, OTOH, apparently refuse to acknowledge that similar individuals
are not
representative of most gays.
Coronal
The Generalissimo wrote:
> I guess that would be the best cover one could come up with. Call it
a
> legend. Better yet, look up Eric Tomaszewski in the Salt Lake phone
> book and ask him yourself.
On a hunch, I looked through several WWW phone books, and found no
listing for
an Eric Tomaszewski in SLC or anywhere else in Utah.
John Boston
On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 11:27:25 -1200, Coronal <Wha...@Zone.com> wrote:
>The Generalissimo wrote:
> > I guess that would be the best cover one could come up with. Call it
>a
>> legend. Better yet, look up Eric Tomaszewski in the Salt Lake phone
>> book and ask him yourself.
>
>On a hunch, I looked through several WWW phone books, and found no
>listing for
>an Eric Tomaszewski in SLC or anywhere else in Utah.
I even called directory assistance in SLC.
There is no Eric Tomaszewski.
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We all know that when homophobes say that sodomy is wrong, what they are really saying is that it is wrong for gays.
Does anyone really believe that these homophobes AREN'T participating in oral sex? Anal sex?
------------------------------------------------------
Hopefully, by giving a phony e-mail address in the header, I can avoid those damned commerical spammers.
All regular spammers can reach me at the following address...
maxx at exis.net.
John Boston
On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 11:32:37 -1200, Coronal <Wha...@Zone.com> wrote:
>The Generalissimo wrote:
>>
>> Rodney Allebach wrote:
>
>> > Perhaps we should begin posting " new articles " describing in gory
>> > detail the perverse acts we would like to believe all heterosexuals
>> > engage in so we too can feel " morally superior ".
That can be found in alt.sex
>> Just the fact that you can ignore morality long enough to choose your lifestyle
>> excludes you from a superior morality. That is not to say that there aren't even
>> more immoral heterosexuals.
So then all people who are immoral should not be allowed to marry???
>But we make no pretense that such individuals represent the majority of
>heteros.
>You, OTOH, apparently refuse to acknowledge that similar individuals
>are not
>representative of most gays.
It's a political thing.