Google Buys Deja
Edward Rice
reference.
(1) Google has bought Deja.
(2) And they say they really are bringing the archives back.
http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/pressrelease48.html
http://groups.google.com
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Gerald Belton
wrote:
>Thought this was topical, since we use Deja (or used to) as a regular
>reference.
>
>(1) Google has bought Deja.
>
>(2) And they say they really are bringing the archives back.
>
> http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/pressrelease48.html
> http://groups.google.com
This may be good news, eventually. For now, the search capabilities
are seriously screwed up.
For example, searching for messages containing the words "bloody" and
"hook" in alt.folklore.urban returns only 13 hits, and 11 of those are
in various postings of the FAQ.
Searching the same words but specifying "*folklore*" for the group
returns an error message.
And there is no way to limit searches to a specific time frame.
Gerald "hoping they plan to fix these things" Belton
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Kai Henningsen
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:31 -0500, ehr...@his.com (Edward Rice)
> wrote:
>
> >Thought this was topical, since we use Deja (or used to) as a regular
> >reference.
> >
> >(1) Google has bought Deja.
> >
> >(2) And they say they really are bringing the archives back.
> >
> > http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/pressrelease48.html
> > http://groups.google.com
>
> This may be good news, eventually. For now, the search capabilities
> are seriously screwed up.
>
> For example, searching for messages containing the words "bloody" and
> "hook" in alt.folklore.urban returns only 13 hits, and 11 of those are
> in various postings of the FAQ.
>
> Searching the same words but specifying "*folklore*" for the group
> returns an error message.
>
> And there is no way to limit searches to a specific time frame.
Well, given that it seems they need to rewrite the search anyway (because
of ... umm ... OS differences), and given that the Google *engine* so far
seems vastly better than the one Deja used (now that was really awful) ...
Also, note that what you're currently searching is *not* the Deja archive.
It's Googles *own* archive, going back to August 2000. See the help page
for details. It also mentions that they already know all these features
are high priority.
> Gerald "hoping they plan to fix these things" Belton
Kai "they say they will" Henningsen
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Madeleine Page
> (1) Google has bought Deja.
>
> (2) And they say they really are bringing the archives back.
Woohoo! That is *really* great news! Google has continually improved their
product since inception and are my favourite search engine. To have Deja
in their hands is definitely a Good Thing.
> -- E "effete epenthetic slob" R
Faugh.
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Deborah Stevenson
On 13 Feb 2001, Madeleine Page wrote:
> Edward Rice <ehr...@his.com> writes:
>
> > (1) Google has bought Deja.
> >
> > (2) And they say they really are bringing the archives back.
>
> Woohoo! That is *really* great news! Google has continually improved their
> product since inception and are my favourite search engine. To have Deja
> in their hands is definitely a Good Thing.
Well, it may prove to be a good thing, but right now what it means is the
disappearance of all but the last six months of posts and a seriously
crappy selection of search parameters.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Kai Henningsen
> It's going to get worse before it gets better.
I strongly suspect (from what I hear) that when they write,
Since reaching agreement with Deja, Google has been working non-stop to
restore access to these messages,
they mean exactly that, and their programmers are currently doing lots of
overtime.
I also suspect that switching off the old servers was primarily a $$$
decision - the old owners didn't want to continue paying for the old pipe,
and Google didn't particularly like the idea either. (And there probably
was a big bill already.)
And moving terabytes across the country isn't done in five minutes.
Kai
Deborah Stevenson
On 13 Feb 2001, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Deborah Stevenson) wrote on 12.02.01 in <Pine.SGI.4.10.101021...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>:
>
> > It's going to get worse before it gets better.
>
> I strongly suspect (from what I hear) that when they write,
>
> Since reaching agreement with Deja, Google has been working non-stop to
> restore access to these messages,
>
> they mean exactly that, and their programmers are currently doing lots of
> overtime.
>
> I also suspect that switching off the old servers was primarily a $$$
> decision - the old owners didn't want to continue paying for the old pipe,
> and Google didn't particularly like the idea either. (And there probably
> was a big bill already.)
>
> And moving terabytes across the country isn't done in five minutes.
Precisely. And in the meantime it's worse.
I'm aware that as a user of a free service I have to be snivelingly
grateful for whatever it is they provide, and I understand that
transitions take time. This doesn't make it improper for me to point out
that the current situation is inferior to the previous, especially when my
statement includes the fact it will improve.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Mike Sphar
Henningsen) once write the following? Read the book:
>I also suspect that switching off the old servers was primarily a $$$
>decision - the old owners didn't want to continue paying for the old pipe,
>and Google didn't particularly like the idea either. (And there probably
>was a big bill already.)
Also, data center space alone is *very* expensive. The old owners may not
have wanted to continue to pay rent either.
>And moving terabytes across the country isn't done in five minutes.
Are they actually moving across country? I honestly don't know where
Google or Deja's data centers are. Google actually has a building right
next to mine in Mountain View, but I'm 99% certain their servers aren't
located there.
I assumed Google has their servers colocated in Santa Clara or somewhere
nearby. (I wonder if their "World's largest linux cluster is at least
fractionally responsible for our power problems lately.) That's entirely
an assumption on my part, but since all their sysadmin positions appear to
be in the SF Bay Area, that'd be my guess. Santa Clara seems to be a
popular co-lo city.
I have no clue where Deja was located, and can't seem to even find a clue
anywhere now that their site has disappeared.
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Sean Harding
> I have no clue where Deja was located, and can't seem to even find a clue
> anywhere now that their site has disappeared.
The mail servers (mail.deja.com) appear to be in an Exodus data center in
Texas. Deja's HQ is in Austin, so this makes sense. Google appears to be
hosted by Global Crossing in California.
sean
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David Kaye
" Woohoo! That is *really* great news! Google has continually improved their
" product since inception and are my favourite search engine.
You haven't seen alltheweb.com yet, I take it.
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David Scheidt
: stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Deborah Stevenson) wrote on 12.02.01 in <Pine.SGI.4.10.101021...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>:
:> It's going to get worse before it gets better.
: I strongly suspect (from what I hear) that when they write,
: Since reaching agreement with Deja, Google has been working non-stop to
: restore access to these messages,
: they mean exactly that, and their programmers are currently doing lots of
: overtime.
The message ID search has appeared on the adavanced search page. i'm happy
about that.
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