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dj...@my-deja.com

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22 sept. 1999, 03:00:0022/09/1999
à
Regarding JimDBB's post that accuses me of being a Scientologist.
I was going to reply with heavy sarcasm, but am too sad to summon up a
sense of humor.
I am not a Scientologist. I have read enough and seen enough of
Scientology (prior to the Charge of the ARS Brigade, mind you) to stay
well clear of them, as an institution. I do not, however, believe such
shunning should be applied to people who happen to believe in
Scientology. I was personally raised in a religion that went through a
long period of social condemnation and persecution. While I have come
to believe that much of that condemnation was warranted, it still pains
me to think of the personal suffering that innocent believers suffered
simply for believing. Religion, cult, or money making rip-off, you
cannot deny that Mr. McKean and many others believe it gives them moral
direction.
When Mr. McKean and his fellows started posting to this room, I was
deeply troubled; not only by what I believed to be CCHR's attempts to
appropriate a good cause for their own arguably ulterior ends, but also
because it was introducing more "outsider" elements - that is, non-
survivors who figured they had all the answers.
As if we haven't heard enough of that kind of horseshit from
psychiatrists or psychiatric wannabes.
But I cannot reiterate enough, Mr. McKean has shown what the vast
majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and
consideration. When Scientologists were politely asked to leave
another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars, they
politely left. And as far as I know, they haven't been back since.
All we've asked is that people from your newsgroup NOT flood this room
with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You have
every moral right to counter Mr. McKean's CCHR posts with related
material that illustrates what you believe to be contradictions. You
do not have the moral right to flood this room with taunting, insults
and accusations.
Shame on you, JimDBB. I had thought that people like you and John
Dorsay could present a reasoned influence on your fellow ARS regulars
to curb their ranting idiocies. Instead, you've accused me of being a
Scientologist.
I think that speaks loads.


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22 sept. 1999, 03:00:0022/09/1999
à
>Subject: Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup
>From: dj...@my-deja.com
>Date: Wed, 22 September 199

>Regarding JimDBB's post that accuses me of being a Scientologist.
>I was going to reply with heavy sarcasm, but am too sad to summon up a
>sense of humor.
>I am not a Scientologist.

>But I cannot reiterate enough, Mr. McKean has shown what the vast


>majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and
>consideration. When Scientologists were politely asked to leave
>another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars, they
>politely left. And as far as I know, they haven't been back since.
>All we've asked is that people from your newsgroup NOT flood this room
>with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You have
>every moral right to counter Mr. McKean's CCHR posts with related
>material that illustrates what you believe to be contradictions. You
>do not have the moral right to flood this room with taunting, insults
>and accusations.
>Shame on you, JimDBB. I had thought that people like you and John

>Dorsay could present a reasoned influence on your fellow ARS regulars
>to curb their ranting idiocies. Instead, you've accused me of being a
>Scientologist.
>I think that speaks loads.
>

Well, if I was wrong , I apologize. You sure sounded like a rondroid, though.
Mr. McKean has just revealed that he is a low-level scientolgist. He is being
used to distribute scientology's anti-psychiatry hate literature. He doesn't
know a damn thing about psychiatry. This sort of blind programmed hate
diminishes the genuine concerns that some psychiatric 'survivors' have. If I
had known these things about McKean I would have treated him more gently.

Yeah, some of the ARSers are over the edge. I understand why but I can't
change them.

JIMDBb

John Dorsay

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22 sept. 1999, 03:00:0022/09/1999
à

<dj...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7san98$8ue$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Regarding JimDBB's post that accuses me of being a Scientologist.
> I was going to reply with heavy sarcasm, but am too sad to summon up a
> sense of humor.
> I am not a Scientologist. I have read enough and seen enough of
> Scientology (prior to the Charge of the ARS Brigade, mind you) to stay
> well clear of them, as an institution. I do not, however, believe
such
> shunning should be applied to people who happen to believe in
> Scientology. I was personally raised in a religion that went through
a
> long period of social condemnation and persecution. While I have come
> to believe that much of that condemnation was warranted, it still
pains
> me to think of the personal suffering that innocent believers suffered
> simply for believing. Religion, cult, or money making rip-off, you
> cannot deny that Mr. McKean and many others believe it gives them
moral
> direction.
> When Mr. McKean and his fellows started posting to this room, I was
> deeply troubled; not only by what I believed to be CCHR's attempts to
> appropriate a good cause for their own arguably ulterior ends, but
also
> because it was introducing more "outsider" elements - that is, non-
> survivors who figured they had all the answers.
> As if we haven't heard enough of that kind of horseshit from
> psychiatrists or psychiatric wannabes.
> But I cannot reiterate enough, Mr. McKean has shown what the vast
> majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and
> consideration. When Scientologists were politely asked to leave
> another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars, they
> politely left. And as far as I know, they haven't been back since.
> All we've asked is that people from your newsgroup NOT flood this room
> with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You have
> every moral right to counter Mr. McKean's CCHR posts with related
> material that illustrates what you believe to be contradictions. You
> do not have the moral right to flood this room with taunting, insults
> and accusations.
> Shame on you, JimDBB. I had thought that people like you and John
> Dorsay could present a reasoned influence on your fellow ARS regulars
> to curb their ranting idiocies. Instead, you've accused me of being a
> Scientologist.

Just to clarify - that "You've accused me of being a Scientologist"
refers only to Jim. I am doing my level best to avoid the subject of
Scientology altogether, and to try to play nicely with everyone here. I
am following the sterling example of Richard Laframboisse as best I can.
Sorry if I misspelled your name, Richard. I'm rushed and I did not look
it up. Richard really IS a Scientologist, as is ThetaChick, and Mike
McKean if anyone is interested. I'm not. But there are no other
Scientologists here, so would the ARS commandos please keep that in
mind. Anyone from ARS who does not believe me: please follow up in
ars.

Juli, the pain this is causing you is obvious from your post. I hope
against hope that the people from ars who pay such grand lip service to
stopping abuse can see what they are achieving.

--
The sleaziest goon to ever hide behind the trappings of a spiritual
movement never attacked innocent people who had no involvement or
interest in their struggle simply because they weren't interested
in what they had to sell. So I say, let all Scientologists in this
NG be welcome.

- alt.flame.psychiatry regular djamu
thanks the heroic net.vandals from ars
for their relentless assault on afp,
and awards them their prize.

John Dorsay

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22 sept. 1999, 03:00:0022/09/1999
à

John Dorsay <dor...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message news:...

> Juli, the pain this is causing you is obvious from your post. I hope

Of course I meant djamu. Does anyone remember hat was I saying to Dave
Bird about the correct sequence for reading posts and hitting the send
button?

suer...@my-deja.com

non lue,
23 sept. 1999, 03:00:0023/09/1999
à
In article <19990922143127...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,

jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
> >Subject: Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup
> >From: dj...@my-deja.com
> >Date: Wed, 22 September 199
>
> >Regarding JimDBB's post that accuses me of being a Scientologist.
> >I was going to reply with heavy sarcasm, but am too sad to summon up
a
> >sense of humor.
> >I am not a Scientologist.
>
> >But I cannot reiterate enough, Mr. McKean has shown what the vast
> >majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and
> >consideration. When Scientologists were politely asked to leave
> >another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars,
they
> >politely left. And as far as I know, they haven't been back since.
> >All we've asked is that people from your newsgroup NOT flood this
room
> >with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You have
> >every moral right to counter Mr. McKean's CCHR posts with related
> >material that illustrates what you believe to be contradictions. You
> >do not have the moral right to flood this room with taunting, insults
> >and accusations.
> >Shame on you, JimDBB. I had thought that people like you and John
>
> >Dorsay could present a reasoned influence on your fellow ARS regulars
> >to curb their ranting idiocies. Instead, you've accused me of being
a
> >Scientologist.
> >I think that speaks loads.
> >
>
> Well, if I was wrong , I apologize. You sure sounded like a
rondroid, though.
> Mr. McKean has just revealed that he is a low-level scientolgist. He
is being
> used to distribute scientology's anti-psychiatry hate literature. He
doesn't
> know a damn thing about psychiatry. This sort of blind programmed hate
> diminishes the genuine concerns that some psychiatric 'survivors'
have. If I
> had known these things about McKean I would have treated him more
gently.
>
> Yeah, some of the ARSers are over the edge. I understand why but I
can't
> change them.
>
> JIMDBb

Look DB are you trying to demean Mike McLean by calling him 'low
level' let me tell YOU something sonny, I was a full OT-7 with Hubbard
in 1973 clear through the FBI raids. I met the man DB, NONE of what
you people say is true, NONE OF IT. All that stuff about his drinking
is BULLSHIT. The FBI never arrested him BECAUSE THEY HAD ANYHING ON
HIM.

Got that jerk. I have had MANY friends who did the RPF and ALL of them
were greatful they did it ALL OF THEM. Got that! Our Church has over
16 million members world wide now. We are expanding DAILY, we are
building a 50 million dollar skyscraper to house our new super power
service. 50 million dollars! We are succeeding while YOU DB are
criticizing good men like Mike McLean. YOu know something DB, we spent
over 94.2 million dollars last year just prosecuting you internet
terrorists... we have files on all you bastards. Big thick ones with
photos, and school recordS, bank records, telephone records...you
getting a hint jerk? And yes Hubbard meant what the hell he said. YOu
people are done for, your families are disease ridden, even your damn
pets stink. you SCUMMY filthy sack of shit.

You know LRH said it best the first time, in Dianetics Modern Science
of Mental Health, and I will quote him exactly "dispose of them quietly
and without sorrow", got that ASSHOLE. He was talking about the scum
that cant make it, the misfits, the jerks of the world, the 2%
suppressives. Get rid of them and the WHOLE WORLD will be better off.
Its right there in black and white asshole, you better get a clue, we
are growing fast, and soon it will be YOU who is watching your back,
not us. Mike McClean has the courage to do something about it. Thats
a LOT more than I can say about you DB.

arc. sue

theta...@my-deja.com

non lue,
23 sept. 1999, 03:00:0023/09/1999
à
In article <19990922143127...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:

> Mr. McKean has just revealed that he is a low-level scientolgist. He
is being
> used to distribute scientology's anti-psychiatry hate literature. He
doesn't
> know a damn thing about psychiatry.
>

> JIMDBb
>

Jim-Did you see the 60 minutes piece on Charter Hospitals restraint
deaths and abuse??? Did you see how those people were treated???
That, the posts from the abused here at this site, and the other abuse
cases I have seen as a CCHR E/D has shown me beyond a doubt that what
the psychs do is WRONG!!!!!

JimDBB

non lue,
23 sept. 1999, 03:00:0023/09/1999
à
>Subject: Re: Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup
>From: theta...@my-deja.com
>Date: Thu, 23 September 1999 09:4

>Jim-Did you see the 60 minutes piece on Charter Hospitals restraint
>deaths and abuse??? Did you see how those people were treated???
>That, the posts from the abused here at this site, and the other abuse
>cases I have seen as a CCHR E/D has shown me beyond a doubt that what
>the psychs do is WRONG!!!!!

No, I didn't see this 60 minutes show. I did see the 60 minutes show on what
the scientology cult did to CAN (cult Awareness Network). I was a CAN staff
member and this show hardly scratched the surface on the crimes committed by
scientology agents.

I am on the way now to the Veterans Hospital where I am an outpatient. I know
from my experience the tremendous good that the psychiatric/ psychology/medical
staff does for vets. Why don't you try going there with your "eradicating
evil psychiatry by 2000" scenario. Let's
see how far you get with the vets who have benefited greatly from professional
treatment. To be sure, there are those who do not respond to treatment and
cause tremendous problems for staff and other patients. Under scientology
care these would be, "disposed of quietly and without sorrow" as per L. Ron
Hubbard.

Thetachick, have the decency to stop spreading CCHR hate literature. Get out
of the destructive and greedy scientology cult. We will help you when you are
ready.

JImDBB

Dave Bird

non lue,
23 sept. 1999, 03:00:0023/09/1999
à
In article <7san98$8ue$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, dj...@my-deja.com writes

>Mr. McKean has shown what the vast
>majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and
>consideration.

I am sure the Mafia are very considerate to their neighbours,
and apologise for all these strange people who turn up and rage
at them for killing people. It is too much noise; it frightens
the horses.... perhaps they could arrange for those people
to quietly disappear....

>When Scientologists were politely asked to leave
>another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars, they
>politely left.


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theta...@my-deja.com

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24 sept. 1999, 03:00:0024/09/1999
à
In article <19990923120557...@ng-fh1.aol.com>,

jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>
> No, I didn't see this 60 minutes show. I did see the 60 minutes show
on what
> the scientology cult did to CAN (cult Awareness Network). I was a
CAN staff
> member and this show hardly scratched the surface on the crimes
committed by
> scientology agents.
>
AAH HAAA!!!! Now I see!!! You're mad that we turned CAN from an
organization devoted to kidnapping people against their will (doesn't
this sound a bit like what the psych's do???) for "deprogramming",
into an organization which speaks out for religious tolerance, of all
religions. Be it Mormon, buddhaism, or whatever.
>

> Thetachick, have the decency to stop spreading CCHR hate literature.


Jim DBB, have the decency to stop supporting the psychs in killing
children with restraints, giving people drugs that induce a mania
powerful enough so that they shoot innocent victims, and using ECT that
destroys lives by erasing memories, among other things. Have the
decency to stop supporting lithium overprescription that causes people
to be unable to control their muscles enough to walk and causes their
kidneys to stop functioning. And for goodness sakes, have the decency
to start supporting activities that are PRO-survival, if that is
possible for the likes of you.


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Before you buy.

JimDBB

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24 sept. 1999, 03:00:0024/09/1999
à
>Subject: Re: Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup
>From: theta...@my-deja.com
>Date: Thu, 23 September 1999 10

> jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>>

>> No, I didn't see this 60 minutes show. I did see the 60 minutes show
>on what
>> the scientology cult did to CAN (cult Awareness Network). I was a
>CAN staff
>> member and this show hardly scratched the surface on the crimes
>committed by
>> scientology agents.

>AAH HAAA!!!! Now I see!!! You're mad that we turned CAN from an
>organization devoted to kidnapping people against their will (doesn't
>this sound a bit like what the psych's do???) for "deprogramming",
>into an organization which speaks out for religious tolerance, of all
>religions. Be it Mormon, buddhaism, or whatever.

Let's see now. I was a staff member of an organization devoted to kidnapping
people. I am having difficulty remembering how many people I kidnapped.

"turned into an organization which speaks out for religious tolerance, of all
religions. Be it Mormon, Buddhaism, or whatever."

I think that it may be time to post up again scientology's 'Enemies' list.
Shall we tell the folks what L. Ron Hubbard said about the Mormons and about
Mohammed? Shall we tell that Hubbard in a secret bulletin claimed that he was
the 'Anti-Christ'? should I post this whole secret bulletin? Shall we tell
that Hubbard also claimed that he was Buddha returned.

Should I post the recent New Times article, "Scientology's Revenge" which
details how the Church of Scientology used tax-exempt funds to mount a
protracted campaign of harassment which finally bankrupted CAN (those evil
kidnappers and deprogrammers).

So, now if someone's kid gets sucked into a destructive cult like scientology
and the family calls CAN for information...guess who you will be talking to.
Yes, those 'pro-survival, tolerant scientologists.

But justice will prevail and is on the way.

JImDBB

theta...@my-deja.com

non lue,
24 sept. 1999, 03:00:0024/09/1999
à
Get over it.

Martijn Dekker

non lue,
24 sept. 1999, 03:00:0024/09/1999
à
In article <7scm2h$nba$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, suer...@my-deja.com wrote:

>You know LRH said it best the first time, in Dianetics Modern Science
>of Mental Health, and I will quote him exactly "dispose of them quietly
>and without sorrow", got that ASSHOLE. He was talking about the scum
>that cant make it, the misfits, the jerks of the world, the 2%
>suppressives. Get rid of them and the WHOLE WORLD will be better off.

Gee. Replace "misfits" and "suppressives" with "Jews" there and that
sounds strikingly familiar...

- Martijn, a misfit

Warrior

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24 sept. 1999, 03:00:0024/09/1999
à
>In article <7scm2h$nba$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, suer...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>You know LRH said it best the first time, in Dianetics Modern Science
>>of Mental Health, and I will quote him exactly "dispose of them quietly
>>and without sorrow",

Actually, Hubbard wrote this in his book _Science of Survival_, on page
157.

>>got that ASSHOLE. He was talking about the scum that cant make it, the
>>misfits, the jerks of the world, the 2% suppressives. Get rid of them
>>and the WHOLE WORLD will be better off.

In article <martijn-2409...@inlv.demon.nl>, mar...@inlv.demon.nl
says...


>
>Gee. Replace "misfits" and "suppressives" with "Jews" there and that
>sounds strikingly familiar...
>
>- Martijn, a misfit

L. Ron Hubbard, founder of $cientology, also wrote:

"any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any
thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing
those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which
are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
-- Page 131 of _Science of Survival_, copyright L. Ron Hubbard.

===

Warrior
See http://www.entheta.org/entheta/1stpersn/warrior/


I Plural

non lue,
25 sept. 1999, 03:00:0025/09/1999
à

> [snip]
>
> Please do *not* crosspost anything with my material in it to
> alt.religion.scientology if my original article was not posted there. I
> did not, and do not give permission for my articles to be republished in
> there, whether in quoted form or otherwise, and I am upset that this has
> happened.
>
> [follow-up out of ars; please respect it.]
>
> - Martijn
>
> --
> This article and all others posted by me Copyright © 1999 by Martijn
Dekker, Groningen, Netherlands. All rights reserved. Republication in any
form without permission expressly prohibited.

a copyeight on a message? article? hummmm, ok
but how come when I try to respond to this your cross post comes up for
forwarding?

Dave Bird

non lue,
25 sept. 1999, 03:00:0025/09/1999
à
In article <martijn-2509...@inlv.demon.nl>, Martijn Dekker
<mar...@inlv.demon.nl> writes

>I
>did not, and do not give permission for my articles to be republished in
>there, whether in quoted form or otherwise, and I am upset that this has
>happened.

By contributing an article to NewsNet you effectively permit it
to be republished by whoever, wherever, as they see fit to
continue the discussion. I have heard other people try to make
demands as to who is allowed to reply to them, or imply that
the newsgroup is their private mailbox. Sorry: it's all rubbish.

Nor should you infer that people who COMMENT ON WHAT YOU SAY
IN PUBLIC are mainly or only SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO YOU and should
follow any conventions proper to that. (They may merely be
pointing out to others that what you say makes no sense).

gba...@toasted_spam.idirect.com

non lue,
25 sept. 1999, 03:00:0025/09/1999
à
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:36:20 +0100, Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> By contributing an article to NewsNet you effectively permit it
> to be republished by whoever, wherever, as they see fit to
> continue the discussion.

The owners of most internet mailing lists frown on the practice of
attempting to continue discussions outside the specific fora where
they originated. I fail to see why Usenet should be any different,
especially when a specific request is made.

In any event, someone who wouldn't respect a polite, reasonable
request such as Martijn's is by definition an ignorant ass.

> I have heard other people try to make
> demands as to who is allowed to reply to them, or imply that
> the newsgroup is their private mailbox. Sorry: it's all rubbish.

According to the terms of service of most ISPS, unwanted, unsolicited
private communications from individuals constututes harassment. As has
also been previously indicated here, the specific issue of
cyber-stalking is being taken much more seriously nowadays as a legal
matter.

Sorry to disappoint you, but 'freedom of expression' doesn't mean
'freedom to abuse.' People have the right to defend themselves. This
includes defining boundaries, as Martijn did.


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William Barwell

non lue,
25 sept. 1999, 03:00:0025/09/1999
à

In article <7scm2h$nba$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <suer...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <19990922143127...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
> jim...@aol.com (JimDBB) wrote:
>> >Subject: Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup
>> >From: dj...@my-deja.com
>> >Date: Wed, 22 September 199
>>
*********************** DELETED *********************

>
>Look DB are you trying to demean Mike McLean by calling him 'low
>level' let me tell YOU something sonny, I was a full OT-7 with Hubbard
>in 1973 clear through the FBI raids.


You aren't the only one. Many went further back than that with Hubbard.

I met the man DB, NONE of what
>you people say is true, NONE OF IT. All that stuff about his drinking
>is BULLSHIT. The FBI never arrested him BECAUSE THEY HAD ANYHING ON
>HIM.


They did not have much because the old bozo left little incriminationg.
He was however, very much an un-indicted co-conspirator. He let Mary Sue
Hubbard sign paper work, and let Mary Sue Hubbard take the fall.
He fled into the desert.

Later on he instigated "Operation Sortout". Scientologists swarmed
all over Scientology orgs and systematically shredded every piece
of paper with Hubbard's signature on it that could send him to prison
along with Maru Sue.

A lot of people were in on that and can tell you all about it.
Wanna talk to Gerald Armstrong on ARS?
He was the guy who saved Hubbard's personal papers from being shredded
in Operation sortout. And found out the papers proved Hubbard was
the liar the critics claimed.

Armstrong was there.

>
>Got that jerk.

You ain't got it at all.


I have had MANY friends who did the RPF and ALL of them
>were greatful they did it ALL OF THEM. Got that!

The ones that weren't broken in spirit to be good little puppets were the
ones who left. Those that had a shred of pride in themselves.


Our Church has over
>16 million members world wide now.

This is balderdash. Check ARS. John Plummer (Warrior) was
for a long tinme a SO cog. he's seen the central file stats
broken down as part of his duty. Scientology only has 40,000
tops in the files. And many of them are blown, deceased,
dropped out, uninterested.

Your own cult propaganda rag "The Auditor" bragged for a long
time of having "over 50,000 clears". The Auditor, sent to everybody
on CoS's mailing list gave every new clear completeion and their
names. It was a simply task to add up the numbers over two years worth
of statistics and see that it was going to take Scientology 800
years to make that next 50,000 clears at the rate you are going now.
Make clears in dribs and drabs of 6 or 8 or 9 every two months
is not what you expect from a cult with 16 million members.

Your own cult's propaganda rags shows your cult lies about this.
Anybody can get on the mailing list, read the Auditor, do the math,
and see the lie.

Several critics went over old cult books and listed all known
orgs and missions and checked to see how many were still in biz.
Many had folded, new ones aren't opening, many listed missions are only
phone numbers in some chiropractor's office.

Cities that used to have 4 or five orgs amd missions now have
a grubby store front mission and a phone number maybe at
a veterinarian's office.

You aren't growing.


We are expanding DAILY, we are
>building a 50 million dollar skyscraper to house our new super power
>service. 50 million dollars!

Whoop-de-goddamned do!

And may it be a $50 million dollar white elephant.
I doubt many people are going to be paying $$$$$ to do the super power
courses, either. Maybe next, you can pay $$$ to repaird your crumblling,
rundown LA complex also.

We are succeeding while YOU DB are
>criticizing good men like Mike McLean. YOu know something DB, we spent
>over 94.2 million dollars last year just prosecuting you internet
>terrorists.

Snort! Where did you pull THAT number out of your ass?
It ain't true, but I wish it was. And yet, the NOTs and space cootie and
Xenu crud is STILL being posted to the net and is available from Sweden
from the Swedish Parliment for $61.00.

All those millions for nothing.


.. we have files on all you bastards. Big thick ones with
>photos, and school recordS, bank records, telephone records...you
>getting a hint jerk?

And this is supposed to scare me into not telling people that
Scientology's OT courses are all about exorcising space cooties at a cost
of $120,000.00 for OTIII - OTVII? How you getting on with yer space
cooties, Mr. OT7. Did you get rid of the bad ones and get those grand OT
superhuman abilities? Can you exteriorize with full perceptics?

Space cooties! Dead alien soul parasite created 75 million years ago by
an evil outer space dictator named Xenu!

STOP LAUGHING DAMN YOU! THIS IS SCIENCE!

Har!

And yes Hubbard meant what the hell he said. YOu
>people are done for, your families are disease ridden, even your damn
>pets stink. you SCUMMY filthy sack of shit.


Now, this isn't ARC. Your are dramatizing.
You need to go to Ethics and admit you let your O/Ws get the best of you.

What are your crimes?


>You know LRH said it best the first time, in Dianetics Modern Science
>of Mental Health, and I will quote him exactly "dispose of them quietly

>and without sorrow", got that ASSHOLE. He was talking about the scum


>that cant make it, the misfits, the jerks of the world, the 2%
>suppressives.

This was from "Science of Survival".

Hubbard in "Dianetics" said that in a future world, aberrated persons,
(persons not Dianetics processed to Clear) would have no
civil rights before the law.


Get rid of them and the WHOLE WORLD will be better off.

>Its right there in black and white asshole, you better get a clue, we
>are growing fast, and soon it will be YOU who is watching your back,
>not us. Mike McClean has the courage to do something about it. Thats
>a LOT more than I can say about you DB.
>
>arc. sue


Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!


Dave Bird

non lue,
25 sept. 1999, 03:00:0025/09/1999
à
In article <37ece68...@news.idirect.com>, gbacque@toasted_spam.idir
ect.com writes

>According to the terms of service of most ISPS, unwanted, unsolicited
>private communications from individuals constututes harassment.

Yes, moron, but you have gone past a word that you did not
understand viz P*R*I*V*A*T*E communication. Saying "do not
write to me" is reasonable. Saying "do not dare comment in
public on what I say in public" is the height of arrogance:
the usual reply is "bite me".

gba...@toasted_spam.idirect.com

non lue,
26 sept. 1999, 03:00:0026/09/1999
à
On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:44:25 +0100, Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <37ece68...@news.idirect.com>, gbacque@toasted_spam.idir


>ect.com writes
>>According to the terms of service of most ISPS, unwanted, unsolicited
>>private communications from individuals constututes harassment.
>
> Yes, moron, but you have gone past a word that you did not
> understand viz P*R*I*V*A*T*E communication.

You're an abusive jerk. there's no point talking to you... obviously
the only thing you'll listen to is a felony bust for harassment.

Fuck off, geek!

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