http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/
I found a copy of it on angelfire, too, but I wouldn't want to put anyone
through all those popups.
Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
The story itself is fairly engaging.
JoAnne "watch that last step, it's a doozy" Schmitz
Kind of freaky how it ends. But except for the pictures it can't be real. I
don't think any experienced spelunker would go into something that small
without a safety rope. And to not make it bigger.
Finally if he's going back to something that evil even if he's not religious
he'd be taking some Holy Water, a Bible, and wearing a crucifix.
~Jami JoAnne Russell~
http://ladyjami.250free.com/ebook.html
> I got tipped off to this on a librarian reference list. It's more of a
> ghost story than an urban legend, I think, but there must be a caver or two
> here who could give us some sanity checks on the details.
>
> http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/
>
> I found a copy of it on angelfire, too, but I wouldn't want to put anyone
> through all those popups.
>
> Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
> The story itself is fairly engaging.
The story is very interesting. Did you notice that the picture of the
cave drawing says "HI"? Just look at the drawing sideways.
<http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/pictures/symbol.jpg>
It is also strange that if he was an experienced caver he wouldn't have
a hard time identifying cave formations. Identifying something as
"crystal formations" doesn't seem like the terminology a spelunker* or
caver would use.
Bev "not a spelunker or a caver" Hamilton
* The difference between a spelunker, a speleologist, and a caver?
http://www.umsl.edu/~joellaws/ozark_caving/mss/spelunk.htm
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You're right - I see it - just tilt your head to the right, people. Heh. Very
funny. Too bad "Ted" doesn't have an e-mail address listed.
What I find funny is he and "Joe" could spend so much time away from work
without getting fired. Or at the very least family members/friends breaking
into the house and dragging them to the hospital. Or is mine the only family
who'd do this?
> >Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
> >The story itself is fairly engaging.
>
> Kind of freaky how it ends. But except for the pictures it can't be real. I
> don't think any experienced spelunker would go into something that small
> without a safety rope. And to not make it bigger.
I know a few cavers who, on hearing that the guys had enlarged the hole,
would happily wall the two of them up inside the passageway.
--
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> In article <20031018011343...@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE (Jami JoAnne) wrote:
>
> > >Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
> > >The story itself is fairly engaging.
> >
> > Kind of freaky how it ends. But except for the pictures it can't be real. I
> > don't think any experienced spelunker would go into something that small
> > without a safety rope. And to not make it bigger.
>
> I know a few cavers who, on hearing that the guys had enlarged the hole,
> would happily wall the two of them up inside the passageway.
Did no one else read the piece as a fairly advanced attempt at emulating
Stephen King's formula for success? Find some thing likely to make the
reader's skin crawl (the possibility of being trapped in a cave, miserably
unable to move) and add a little supernatural spookiness (impossible
noises caused by troglodites/demons/other.) Drag it out over a series of
chapters.
[snip]
>
>Did no one else read the piece as a fairly advanced attempt at emulating
>Stephen King's formula for success? Find some thing likely to make the
>reader's skin crawl (the possibility of being trapped in a cave, miserably
>unable to move) and add a little supernatural spookiness (impossible
>noises caused by troglodites/demons/other.) Drag it out over a series of
>chapters.
>
The Blair Cave Project...
rj
> Finally if he's going back to something that evil even if
> he's not religious he'd be taking some Holy Water, a Bible,
> and wearing a crucifix.
Silly Rabbi, it's not "Vampyres" that live(d) in Mystery
Cave.
It's the Mole People.
And the "Freaky Ending" is THE POINT OF THE GHOST STORY. A
rather good one, considering that Halloween is approaching.
Shivering, etc.
--
Jeffrey "Muahahaha" Zahn
"So kindly take your assumptions and shove them sideways up
your rectum" -- JJ prescribes Tinkerbell Suppositories on AFU
> The Blair Cave Project...
The author made that reference explicitly:
"It's a crude drawing of what I saw, but it's accurate. The first
thing I thought when I saw it was "Blair Witch Project". It kind of
has the same feel to it. This symbol was in the center and several
figures that looked like people raising there hands were below this."
The symbol: http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/pictures/symbol.jpg
The quote: http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/page7.html
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- Burroughs Guy, on the merits of rec.spank-the-newbie
Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform excorisms,
you know.
I sure wouldn't go down there without that stuff. And maybe a few other things
known to work against supernatural beings - like a branch of a Rowan tree which
is suppose to disspell the magic of witches and supernatural beasts.
>And the "Freaky Ending" is THE POINT OF THE GHOST STORY. A
>rather good one, considering that Halloween is approaching.
Yeah but this is all set in 2001. So it's been around for at least a couple
years.
> Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform excorisms,
> you know.
>
> I sure wouldn't go down there without that stuff. And maybe a few other things
> known to work against supernatural beings - like a branch of a Rowan tree which
> is suppose to disspell the magic of witches and supernatural beasts.
Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
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Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet is
religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as salt.
>>Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
>>loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
>
> Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
>
> Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
Why? Material's material, and supernatural's supernatural, right?
--
Karen J. Cravens
I believe you misunderstand. I'd rather have a sawed off .410 single
loaded with birdshot that any of your recommended items.
Well, unless the cross is big enough to club something with.
>>Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
>>loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
>
> Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
>
> Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
>
> But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
> laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet is
> religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as salt.
So tell us, JamiJo; is it true you live in a world all your own, where Harry
Potter is real and all that soopernatcheral stuff actually happens?
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>Ralph Jones wrote at Sat 18 Oct 2003 15:31:01, in
><news:4of3pvobeitjpee9q...@4ax.com>:
>
>> The Blair Cave Project...
>
>The author made that reference explicitly:
>
>"It's a crude drawing of what I saw, but it's accurate. The first
>thing I thought when I saw it was "Blair Witch Project". It kind of
>has the same feel to it. This symbol was in the center and several
>figures that looked like people raising there hands were below this."
>
Guess I'll have to plead guilty to not wading through all of it!
rj
--
My governor can kick your governor's ass
> Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform excorisms,
> you know.
I see a lot of excorisms taking place in AFU, and none of them seem to
involve holy objects.
Of course, the excorized beings never leave, so never mind.
>>Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
>>loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
>
> Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
How would you know this?
>
> Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
Wouldn't sheer logic dictate that any of the lord of light's
minions would probably have napalm as an after dinner drink?
And perhaps the liquid nitrogen fed to one of the darker minions
would merely result in the Chicago Cubs finally winning the
World Series?
As for a strong acid, would think that again sulfuric acid would
be the demonic equivalent of cheap beer.
>
> But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
> laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet is
> religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as salt.
Actually it would be a good idea to interview the demon to
determine its religious affiliation or lack thereof. Otherwise
you might not only make it stronger, you might offend it by
blasphemy. The demon may have been Raven, Bokwus, Manitou,
Apikunni, Tuonela, Wakan-tanka, Wishpoosh, Torngarsa,
or most likely, White-she-buffalo.
Exactly. This would make only hypernatural weapons effective, right?
>>Silly Rabbi, it's not "Vampyres" that live(d) in Mystery
>>Cave.
>>
>
> Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform excorisms,
> you know.
>
> I sure wouldn't go down there without that stuff. And maybe a few other things
> known to work against supernatural beings - like a branch of a Rowan tree which
> is suppose to disspell the magic of witches and supernatural beasts.
On the floor of the mystery cavern is a clue.
You realize the demon would then have you for lunch? Our weapontry would not
work on these things except to slow them down. It takes the power of a being
like God to stop a being like Mephistopheles.
I believe in God and I believe in Satan. I don't believe in vampires,
werewolves, aliens, faries, or unicorns.
> And perhaps the liquid nitrogen fed to one of the darker minions
> would merely result in the Chicago Cubs finally winning the
> World Series?
>
Please don't give anyone any ideas. We could have all kinds of
weird demon things running amok and causing inconveniences. And
just so some poor sports fans could finally justify years of
supporting a team that hasn't a chance without supernatural
fiddling.
--
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READ CLUE
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get clue
you don't have a clue.
>> But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
>> laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet
>is
>> religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as
>salt.
>
>So tell us, JamiJo; is it true you live in a world all your own, where Harry
>Potter is real and all that soopernatcheral stuff actually happens?
There is an attorney, who after the release of Harry Potter as a film, told me
she would not let her kids go to it. I asked why and she said they used real
spells in the film. I replied, "you mean they work?" She said, no, they are
just taken out of real witches' spell books. Again, I asked if they worked and
she stared at me as if I missed the point.
Song
> In article <bmsv2b$j5g$1...@panix5.panix.com>,
> jo...@panix.com (John Francis) wrote:
>
> > In article <ismkb.811322$YN5.821944@sccrnsc01>,
> > Lon Stowell <LonDot....@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
> > >Approximately 10/18/03 17:02, Jami JoAnne uttered for posterity:
> > >
> > >>>Silly Rabbi, it's not "Vampyres" that live(d) in Mystery
> > >>>Cave.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform
> > >> excorisms,
> > >> you know.
> > >>
> > >> I sure wouldn't go down there without that stuff. And maybe a few other
> > >> things
> > >> known to work against supernatural beings - like a branch of a Rowan
> > >> tree
> > >> which
> > >> is suppose to disspell the magic of witches and supernatural beasts.
> > >
> > > On the floor of the mystery cavern is a clue.
> >
> > READ CLUE
>
> you don't have a clue.
GET CLUE
Alice "Colonel Mustard" Faber
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>Did no one else read the piece as a fairly advanced attempt at emulating
>Stephen King's formula for success? Find some thing likely to make the
>reader's skin crawl (the possibility of being trapped in a cave, miserably
>unable to move) and add a little supernatural spookiness (impossible
>noises caused by troglodites/demons/other.) Drag it out over a series of
>chapters.
We use to craw through the sandstone cave where Minnehaha Creek ran into the
Mississippi River. It got as small as 12 inches high and not much wider.
Smart little brats that we were would use candles to light the way and use a
lot of air too. Then in the back, huge cavern, perhaps 20' by 20', we would
sit and smoke and make out and if an older kid showed up, have a beer. Try as
they might, the park people could not close off the enterence, until, finally,
they caved in and down the hillside from the land above. A tree grows there
now and there is no sign of it. Perhaps someone will find another way in, and
there will be carvings and cans and cig. butts.
Song
While I'm sure Andrea's toys could easily handle anything we'd run
into, they *do* tend to be somewhat indiscriminate when it comes to
target selection - the chance of collateral damage is too high for me.
> You realize the demon would then have you for lunch? Our weapontry
> would not work on these things except to slow them down. It takes the
> power of a being like God to stop a being like Mephistopheles.
Very Zoroastrian of you.
But even assuming this, you realize that you've just claimed that acid has
the power of God?
--
Karen J. Cravens
Jon Miller
>>Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
>>
>>Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
>
> Why? Material's material, and supernatural's supernatural, right?
>
Except in my case, since I have natural protection against
the supernatural, what I need is supernatural protection
against the natural.
Charles
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
You don't have the clue.
#I believe in God and I believe in Satan. I don't believe in vampires,
#werewolves, aliens, faries, or unicorns.
What about flying cars?
Mitch
#You realize the demon would then have you for lunch? Our weapontry would
# not work on these things except to slow them down. It takes the power of
# a being like God to stop a being like Mephistopheles.
Well then I guess we're fuct.
Mitch
>>
> I think I'd just do my best to bribe Andrea Jones into being
> my spelunking companion. I bring the food, she brings her
> favorite demonsplatters.
A "Captain, It Won't Shoot" [CIWS] would be hard to get through
the tight spots of that cave....
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It could prolly be used to widen the passage too, but just let me out
of there before you start. There are some things I do fear.
Nope. Nor do I believe in witches, warlocks, wizards, country music, frozen
Walt Disney, Leparchauns, griffins, hipocamps, Pegasus, Spinxes, saytars,
centaurs, Rocs, or that Elvis is alive.
I do believe in ghosts but that's because I've seen them.
They're not normal bullets. Silver is suppose to have supernatural properties.
Plus they're really suppose to be blessed by a religious offical to work.
That's something the movies always forget.
>>So what's the logic behind silver bullets?
>
> They're not normal bullets. Silver is suppose to have supernatural
> properties. Plus they're really suppose to be blessed by a
> religious offical to work. That's something the movies always
> forget.
I hereby bless all silver bullets.
Reverend Dan Fingerman, Universal Life Church
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"When in alt.rome do as the alt.romans do."
- Burroughs Guy, on the merits of rec.spank-the-newbie
Boolean. Same as in town...
> David Lesher wrote:
>>
>> Lon Stowell <LonDot....@ComcastPeriod.Net> writes:
>> > I think I'd just do my best to bribe Andrea Jones into being
>> > my spelunking companion. I bring the food, she brings her
>> > favorite demonsplatters.
>>
>> A "Captain, It Won't Shoot" [CIWS] would be hard to get through
>> the tight spots of that cave....
>
> It could prolly be used to widen the passage too, but just let me
> out of there before you start. There are some things I do fear.
If you are not carrying air tanks, plan on waiting a few minutes for
the dust to settle.
> In article <20031018200238...@mb-m03.aol.com>,
> gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE (Jami JoAnne) wrote:
>
>> Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform
>> excorisms, you know.
>
> I see a lot of excorisms taking place in AFU, and none of them
> seem to involve holy objects.
According to them, our objections are full of holes.
Just keep shaking these bells and chanting "yaga zoozy yaga zoozy yaga zoozy
ZIM!"...r
> Jami JoAnne wrote at Sun 19 Oct 2003 08:43:40, in
> <news:20031019114340...@mb-m02.aol.com>:
>
>>>So what's the logic behind silver bullets?
>>
>> They're not normal bullets. Silver is suppose to have
>> supernatural properties. Plus they're really suppose to be
>> blessed by a religious offical to work. That's something the
>> movies always forget.
>
Just more proof that the evil supernatural folks are in charge -
infiltration of the movie biz. Leaving out important and necessary
steps for eradication of nasties is just another way of giving us a
false sense of confidence and safety. Why, pretty soon there will
be a whole lot of plain old folks who don't even believe in ghosts,
much less vampires and demons.
*Our* logic is twofifty-valued, thank you very much.
Lee "Gilbert Gosseyn" Rudolph
> On or about Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Chris Clarke of ccl...@faultline.org wrote:
>
> > In article <20031018011343...@mb-m14.aol.com>,
> > gambit...@aol.comNOTMALE (Jami JoAnne) wrote:
> >
> > > >Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
> > > >The story itself is fairly engaging.
> > >
> > > Kind of freaky how it ends. But except for the pictures it can't be
> > > real. I don't think any experienced spelunker would go into something
> > > that small without a safety rope. And to not make it bigger.
> >
> > I know a few cavers who, on hearing that the guys had enlarged the hole,
> > would happily wall the two of them up inside the passageway.
>
> Did no one else read the piece as a fairly advanced attempt at emulating
> Stephen King's formula for success? Find some thing likely to make the
> reader's skin crawl (the possibility of being trapped in a cave, miserably
> unable to move) and add a little supernatural spookiness (impossible
> noises caused by troglodites/demons/other.) Drag it out over a series of
> chapters.
I was guessing the guy's a Lovecraft fan, but much of King seems to be a
ripoff^W homage to Lovecraft's style anyway.
--
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Opinions expressed are solely those of a random number generator.
"I don't know if it's real or not but it is a myth."
-Jami JoAnne of alt.folklore.urban, showing her grasp on reality.
>>Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
>>loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
>
> Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
>
> Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
>
> But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
> laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet is
> religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as salt.
Actually, I just learned conclusively that a mixture of rubbing alcohol and
gasoline *will* burn a soul-sucking mummy-devil to a crisp.
Don't believe me? Go see "Bubba Ho-Tep".
--
It turns out that, contrary to cutesy lists of absurd laws and email
sigs, it is actually *not* illegal to carry an ice cream cone in one's
pocket (front or back) in Lexington, Kentucky. So there.
You mean Owsley, Leary, et. al. were wrong?
> On 10/18/2003 6:21 PM Jami JoAnne spake thus:
>
>>>Personally, I'd rather put my faith on a sawed off 12 gage pump
>>>loaded with 0000 buckshot and maybe an M-1911 for backup.
>>
>> Wouldn't work on a supernatural being.
>>
>> Now maybe Napalm, liquid nitrogen, or some super duper strong acid.
>>
>> But you'd be risking killing yourself and/or making the demon stronger. The
>> laws of the natural don't apply to the super/preternatural. Your best bet is
>> religious items or things believed to disrupt the power of magic such as salt.
>
> Actually, I just learned conclusively that a mixture of rubbing alcohol and
> gasoline *will* burn a soul-sucking mummy-devil to a crisp.
>
> Don't believe me? Go see "Bubba Ho-Tep".
Perhaps if our resident expert on supernatural weaponry and
tactics can provide a few test subjects, Peter Rees can be
persuaded to test said weaponry and tactics on Mythbusters.
I'll be holding my breath.
> Lon Stowell <LonDot....@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
>> On the floor of the mystery cavern is a clue.
>
>get clue
YOU COULD NOT GET A CLUE IF I PUT YOU IN A CAVERN WITH
CLUES SCATTERED ALL AROUND THE WALLS AND FLOOR AND POURED
GLUE ALL OVER YOU AND SPAN YOU UNTIL YOU WERE DIZZY AND
GAVE YOU A PUSH AND LOCKED THE CAVERN.
HAHAHA. 1 AM K3WL 3L1T3 !!! Y0U R FUX0R3D !!!!1!!
> Guess I'll have to plead guilty to not wading through all of it!
Life is too short to read hokey web stories.
Leo 'Carpe' Simonetta
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> Actually, I just learned conclusively that a mixture of rubbing alcohol and
> gasoline *will* burn a soul-sucking mummy-devil to a crisp.
>
> Don't believe me? Go see "Bubba Ho-Tep".
Which is playing here in Baltimore at the Walters Art Museum this
weekend in conjunction with an exhibition of Egyptian artifacts,
hon.
http://www.thewalters.org/html/calendar_event.asp?ID=609
Ossie Davis (as JFK) and Bruce Campbell (as Elvis), what's not to
love?
Leo "An internymphenthetic Vicki Robinson" Simonetta
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> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:49:50 GMT, Ralph Jones
> <ralp...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>> Guess I'll have to plead guilty to not wading through all of it!
>
> Life is too short to read hokey web stories.
Particularly the insomnia curative type that are apparently
supposed to be "horror" stories.
>>So tell us, JamiJo; is it true you live in a world all your own, where Harry
>>Potter is real and all that soopernatcheral stuff actually happens?
>I believe in God and I believe in Satan. I don't believe in vampires,
What about "Vampyres"?
>werewolves, aliens, faries, or unicorns.
I saw a unicorn with my own eyes, mang.
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>I got tipped off to this on a librarian reference list. It's more of a
>ghost story than an urban legend, I think, but there must be a caver or two
>here who could give us some sanity checks on the details.
>http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/
>I found a copy of it on angelfire, too, but I wouldn't want to put anyone
>through all those popups.
>Some of the pictures are scary in an "I would never do that" kind of way.
>The story itself is fairly engaging.
>JoAnne "watch that last step, it's a doozy" Schmitz
And then ... the last page ... is a 404!
Joe "Blah!" Bay
>>Silly Rabbi, it's not "Vampyres" that live(d) in Mystery
>>Cave.
>>
>Holy objects work on demons too. You kind of need them to preform excorisms,
>you know.
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