Adams "aware of dissident threat"
Falcon
news:po1tivccp0kjdkgp5...@4ax.com...
> Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has said he is aware of a death threat
> against him from dissident republican paramilitaries.
[..]
> "Some of these groups are so heavily infiltrated that it's very hard to know
> who's pulling whose strings, or indeed if there is a real threat. [..]
Cleverly put - by the man with blood on his hands. Yet another attempt to
undermine the building of any sort of trust between communities, and
further the cause of religious and sectarian hatred that is your party's
bread and butter. Sinn Féin/IRA and their supporters really are a cancerous
lot. By reproducing their propaganda you add your own tacit support to
terrorism and violence.
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Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Fin
"Falcon" <falcon AT nym DOT irishgroups DOT com> wrote in message
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Couldn't have put it better myself, it amazes me that Sinn Fein actually
stood with Anti War banners, when the coalition went to remove Saddam.
It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it has
been proven most have been active IRA members.
Fin
Whitewolf
wrote:
Stuff and nonsense Falcon. I'm like Fox News, I report, you decide...
Ray
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Chesney Christ
>It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it has
>been proven most have been active IRA members.
They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
huge amount of effort to work that out.
--
"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com
Fin
"Chesney Christ" <thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
>
> >It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it has
> >been proven most have been active IRA members.
>
> They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
> huge amount of effort to work that out.
>
Its hardly the point though is it not? it just all seems extremely
hypocritical to me that's all!
Fin
Harry Merrick
>
> >It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it has
> >been proven most have been active IRA members.
>
> They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
> huge amount of effort to work that out.
Your usual specious nonsense, Brendan, I see! - Does this mean that after
all your protestations to the contrary you actually "DO" support violence
and intimidation?
Harry Merrick.
Harry Merrick
> On 4 Aug 2003 19:28:55 +0200, Falcon <falcon AT nym DOT irishgroups DOT
com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
> >news:po1tivccp0kjdkgp5...@4ax.com...
> >> Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has said he is aware of a death threat
> >> against him from dissident republican paramilitaries.
> >[..]
> >
> >> "Some of these groups are so heavily infiltrated that it's very hard to
know
> >> who's pulling whose strings, or indeed if there is a real threat. [..]
> >
> >Cleverly put - by the man with blood on his hands. Yet another attempt to
> >undermine the building of any sort of trust between communities, and
> >further the cause of religious and sectarian hatred that is your party's
> >bread and butter. Sinn Féin/IRA and their supporters really are a
cancerous
> >lot. By reproducing their propaganda you add your own tacit support to
> >terrorism and violence.
> >
>
> Stuff and nonsense Falcon. I'm like Fox News, I report, you decide...
In that case Ray, you should learn to post UNBIASED reports. I find you
sadly lacking in intellectual honesty. Perhaps that is the Limerick
influence, who knows. Falcon is perfectly correct in his assumptions. You
are a pseudo Republican at best.
Harry Merrick.
Whitewolf
<merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
>news:1t9tivgp34oq7ao3t...@4ax.com...
>> On 4 Aug 2003 19:28:55 +0200, Falcon <falcon AT nym DOT irishgroups DOT
>com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
>> >news:po1tivccp0kjdkgp5...@4ax.com...
>> >> Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has said he is aware of a death threat
>> >> against him from dissident republican paramilitaries.
>> >[..]
>> >
>> >> "Some of these groups are so heavily infiltrated that it's very hard to
>know
>> >> who's pulling whose strings, or indeed if there is a real threat. [..]
>> >
>> >Cleverly put - by the man with blood on his hands. Yet another attempt to
>> >undermine the building of any sort of trust between communities, and
>> >further the cause of religious and sectarian hatred that is your party's
>> >bread and butter. Sinn Féin/IRA and their supporters really are a
>cancerous
>> >lot. By reproducing their propaganda you add your own tacit support to
>> >terrorism and violence.
>> >
>>
>> Stuff and nonsense Falcon. I'm like Fox News, I report, you decide...
>
>In that case Ray, you should learn to post UNBIASED reports.
I post the articles unedited and uncommented, you read it, you decide...
That's unbiased...
> I find you sadly lacking in intellectual honesty.
Somehow I find it hard to imagine you being sad about anything to do with
me... Except maybe that I exist...
>Perhaps that is the Limerick influence,
Have paintbrush will stereotype...
> who knows. Falcon is perfectly correct in his assumptions. You
>are a pseudo Republican at best.
When the BBC or RTE (both of which I often quote articles from also) post
articles about NI Politics, does that make them "pseudo Republicans" also?
Or do you just like trying to put people into nice little labeled boxes and
find it hard with me?
Nik
DOT com> wrote:
>"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
>news:po1tivccp0kjdkgp5...@4ax.com...
>> Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has said he is aware of a death threat
>> against him from dissident republican paramilitaries.
>[..]
>
>> "Some of these groups are so heavily infiltrated that it's very hard to know
>> who's pulling whose strings, or indeed if there is a real threat. [..]
>
>Cleverly put
And probably true.
> - by the man with blood on his hands. Yet another attempt to
>undermine the building of any sort of trust between communities,
Between communities? Duh...its a Dissident Republican group,
ostensively...
> and further the cause of religious and sectarian hatred that is your party's
>bread and butter. Sinn Féin/IRA and their supporters really are a cancerous
>lot. By reproducing their propaganda you add your own tacit support to
>terrorism and violence.
Myself, I want the politically inspired violence to cease now and
forever...
Nik
Nik
If it has been "proven" as you say AND it is illegal to be a member of
the IRA then why are those people free?
Could it be that the proof is in your arse?
Nik
PK
> I post the articles unedited and uncommented, you read it, you decide...
> That's unbiased...
Ray, you are possibly _thee_ most biased poster in uk.ceni - just take a
look at what you post - even the titles tell me you're biased; I don't even
have to open most of them. You show absolutely no insight into the goings on
of Northern Ireland other than to post (cut and paste) news clippings from
elsewhere in the media that do nothing but dog the BG, the BA and do little
to represent the feelings on the people in NI.
Continuous posting of news of the anti-British ilk is not "biased". If I
posted, for example, "Ray supports Sinn Fein, Ray supports Sinn Fein, Ray
supports Sinn Fein, ..." one hundred times and didn't mention anyone else
would you not say I was biased? I think so, I'm showing favoritism simply by
posting your name.
Anyone that jumps on their PC every other night, searches around for ~6-10
anti-British, anti-Protestant, pro-SF, pro-IRA news articles even loosely
associated with Eire or NI and then cuts and pastes them into a newsgroup
just to stir up sh*te and see what others jump in on the action is not only
biased but shows no understanding of NI, its people or its future. It
certainly shows you have no gumption to tell us how you feel other than to
pull snippets of news you obviously support and enjoy.
So, why o why Ray do you keep posting such articles and tell us know *you*
feel about NI - the news articles that are written by the BBC, Assoc. Press,
An Phoblacht etc. tell us nothing we do not know already. NI has been a
circus for the media for decades and they love it because it sells news -
cutting and pasting more of it will not help any of us move forward, the
news is already there for 1000's to read every day and that's bad enough.
Now stop the biased posting and tell us how you see NI a decade from now or
something more interesting than "Sectarian intimidation drives Catholics
out" ... like that's news to anyone in NI!
PK
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michael adams
>
> So, why o why Ray do you keep posting such articles and tell us know *you*
> feel about NI - the news articles that are written by the BBC, Assoc. Press,
> An Phoblacht etc. tell us nothing we do not know already.
...
Well quite obviously nobody is ever going to succeed in telling
*you* anything that you don't know already!
Except perhaps for the fact that you don't appear to realise that
Usenet is a public forum of opinion and discussion, and that many
contributors will naturally be biassed and\or partial in the opinions
they express, and the evidence they choose to put forward
Otherwise, why bother participating at all?
...
>
> Now stop the biased posting and tell us how you see NI a decade
> from now or something more interesting than "Sectarian intimidation
> drives Catholics out" ... like that's news to anyone in NI!
>
> PK
...
What's interseting here isn't the all too obvious fact that Ray is
partial in what he posts, but that you should somehow feel yourself
qualified to take it upon yourself to tell other posters what material
they themselves should and shouldn't post.
Obviously you've never quite got over the shock, when they took
your uniform away from you.
Unfortunately for you this is Usenet. And as such it offers very
little scope for self appointed Net Nannies, or control freaks of
any kind.
I would imagine the standard advice in such a situation would be
that if you don't like what Ray posts, then either argue on the
specifics, or stop reading him altogether.
Because if you think you're in any position whereby you can issue
general injunctions to other posters as to what they should and
shouldn't post, and not thereby turn yourself into a laughing stock
in the process, then your're sadly mistaken I'm afraid.
michael adams
...
Nik
<thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
>
>>It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it has
>>been proven most have been active IRA members.
>
>They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
>huge amount of effort to work that out.
Typical Loyalist illogic there. Its just sad.
Nik
p.s. thats not aimed at you Brendan but at the original poster.
Nik
You *want* to see it as being hypocritical. If any given group
supported all acts of war then they would inevitably be drawn into
conflicts of interest and contradiction i.e. they would be, in fact,
hypocritical...
<shakes head>
Nik
Harry Merrick
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> "PK" <pk_...@SpAmMeNoT.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > So, why o why Ray do you keep posting such articles and tell us know
*you*
> > feel about NI - the news articles that are written by the BBC, Assoc.
Press,
> > An Phoblacht etc. tell us nothing we do not know already.
>
> ...
>
> Well quite obviously nobody is ever going to succeed in telling
> *you* anything that you don't know already!
>
he is. Know all!
> Except perhaps for the fact that you don't appear to realise that
> Usenet is a public forum of opinion and discussion, and that many
> contributors will naturally be biassed and\or partial in the opinions
> they express, and the evidence they choose to put forward
But he isn't posting "HIS" opinions, he is posting other peoples opinions! -
And very boring they are too!
>
> Otherwise, why bother participating at all?
I often wonder about that. Obviously, you have to be unemployed at the
moment, bored out of your tree, and with nothing better to do than post
obvious snipes at all and sundry. If I was you I would get a job in Computer
Graphics!
>
> ...
>
> >
> > Now stop the biased posting and tell us how you see NI a decade
> > from now or something more interesting than "Sectarian intimidation
> > drives Catholics out" ... like that's news to anyone in NI!
> >
> > PK
>
> ...
>
> What's interseting here isn't the all too obvious fact that Ray is
> partial in what he posts, but that you should somehow feel yourself
> qualified to take it upon yourself to tell other posters what material
> they themselves should and shouldn't post.
Nothing obvious at all. Ray posts Republican bullshit, which is acclaimed by
other Republicans and deplored by the majority, (everyone else).
>
> Obviously you've never quite got over the shock, when they took
> your uniform away from you.
>
> Unfortunately for you this is Usenet. And as such it offers very
> little scope for self appointed Net Nannies, or control freaks of
> any kind.
It would appear that it is YOU not he who is trying to be the Net Nanny! -
There you go, defending the indefensible and trying to pour scorn on others
who do not agree with your out-dated Socialistic and biased Republican
propagandist ideaologies.
>
>
> I would imagine the standard advice in such a situation would be
> that if you don't like what Ray posts, then either argue on the
> specifics, or stop reading him altogether.
I do that on a regular basis. However, if you do not react sometimes, then
some silly clown will almost certainly believe him!
>
> Because if you think you're in any position whereby you can issue
> general injunctions to other posters as to what they should and
> shouldn't post, and not thereby turn yourself into a laughing stock
> in the process, then your're sadly mistaken I'm afraid.
TUT! Double negatives! Bad English! - I really "hate" that! - Especially
when it is in the context of spurious rubbish.
--
Harry Merrick
Falcon
[..]
> I post the articles unedited and uncommented, you read it, you decide...
> That's unbiased...
Unbiased my arse. You post them to agitate, inflame and provoke violent
reactions from people who contribute to the newsgroup and because you think
that the lies and innuendo contained in the articles influences opinion
elsewhere.
michael adams
> "michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:457feaaa.03080...@posting.google.com...
> Otherwise, why bother participating at all?
> > I often wonder about that. Obviously, you have to be
> > unemployed at the moment, bored out of your tree, and with
> > nothing better to do than post obvious snipes at all and sundry.
> > If I was you I would get a job in Computer Graphics!
...
Yes but Harry, the very fact that you're willing to take time
out from your hectic schedule of selling bulk fertiliser, or the
latest line in women's corsets, or whatever it is that you sell,
simply in order to read my modest efforts makes it all so worthwhile!
...
> > Because if you think you're in any position whereby you can issue
> > general injunctions to other posters as to what they should and
> > shouldn't post, and not thereby turn yourself into a laughing stock
> > in the process, then your're sadly mistaken I'm afraid.
> TUT! Double negatives! Bad English! - I really "hate" that! - Especially
> when it is in the context of spurious rubbish.
...
Would you mind pointing out the double negative in my statement please ?
Or is your knowledge of Good English about on a par with your
knowledge of the wide range of goods offered by Argos Catalogues?
i.e totally non existent!
So that as per usual, you can be expected to run away from yet one
more awkward question!
michael adams
...
FreeIreland
What just the same way the British army is hypocrital for the way its
aided supported and supplied loyalist terrorists for the last 30
years. This includes the supplying of intelligence, organising arm
shipments from south africa and providing agents who took part
directly in the murder of innocent people. Or maybe its the hypocrasy
of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
convicted UDA killers. Maybe its the same unionism that sends
politicans off to south africa with loyalist killers. Or maybe its an
Orange Order a clearly sectarian organisation with similarities to the
Klu Klux Klan whos halls have been used to store illegal army
intelligence for loyalist paramilitaries. Remeber the Orange
Volunteer force.
Irish nationalism remebes the unionist state of 1920-1970s Northern
Ireland. The blood and suffering of innocent people is on the hands of
the British government , the British Army, loyalism, orangism and
unionism just as its on the hands of the IRA. Thats where your blatent
hyprocracy lies.
Fin
"FreeIreland" <kmce...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Fin" <Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Chesney Christ" <thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:TxuGNyGtrrL$Ew...@ntlworld.com...
> > > A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
> > >
> > > >It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it
has
> > > >been proven most have been active IRA members.
> > >
> > > They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
> > > huge amount of effort to work that out.
> > >
> >
> > Its hardly the point though is it not? it just all seems extremely
> > hypocritical to me that's all!
> >
> >
> > Fin
>
> What just the same way the British army is hypocrital for the way its
> aided supported and supplied loyalist terrorists for the last 30
> years. This includes the supplying of intelligence, organising arm
> shipments from south africa and providing agents who took part
> directly in the murder of innocent people.
Your lucky the SAS didn't get their way, a document was placed in front of
Thatcher to sign with over 100 IRA members on it, if this had been signed
they would all have vacated Gods Planet ;-)
But for your argument above, imagine for a second that the role was reversed
and you were sent in to protect the people of NI on both sides, both hate
you, and yet many who live in Britain are meant to take a non biased view,
even though the IRA are bombing the mainland.
Or maybe its the hypocrasy
> of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
> leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
> walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
> convicted UDA killers.
Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
ADAMS, Gerald (Gerry) 6 Oct 48 IRA/SF Norfolk Gardens, west Belfast
Eldest child of Anne and Gerry Adams, born 6 Oct 48
Mothers family Hannaway. Father jailed in 40`s for wounding RUC.
Wife's name Colette, married late Aug 71, one son Gearoid
Brothers: Paddy, Liam, Sean, Dominic Sisters: Margaret, Anne, Frances,
Maura, Deirdre
Grew up Ballymurphy, IRA member since 65 (age 17).
Unemployed barman (sponging British taxpayer's dole) most of his life.
Agitator and in Provo 'battalion` QM Ballymurphy 65-69
70 IC 2nd 'battalion` Belfast 'brigade` IRA.
Met Capt James Kelly of Eire Army in Belfast about arming IRA (70)
Interned, 71, released for June 72 talks, IRA's Belfast delegate to London
(72)
Jean McConville kidnapped, tortured and murdered from Divis flats, 7 Dec 72
IC Belfast 'brigade` 72 until July 73, in 72-73 IRA murdered 392 people.
Caught July 73 returned to Maze
Tried to escape by changing places with visitor Alfred McNiece who resembled
him
Refused to obey order from IRA's Dave Morley to burn hut in Maze (Oct 74)
Left Army Council Oct 82, replaced by Pat Doherty
Returned to Army Council (Nov 96)
President SF (97) . MP for West Belfast. MLA for Belfast West
On IRA Army Council (99). Still there 25 Mar 01 (Times)
Used IRA Adj General Martin Lynch's car and found bug in it (00)
Maybe its the same unionism that sends
> politicans off to south africa with loyalist killers. Or maybe its an
> Orange Order a clearly sectarian organisation with similarities to the
> Klu Klux Klan whos halls have been used to store illegal army
> intelligence for loyalist paramilitaries. Remeber the Orange
> Volunteer force.
>
And how long ago where these events and what actually happened to the
parties involved? please provide me with some details.
> Irish nationalism remebes the unionist state of 1920-1970s Northern
> Ireland. The blood and suffering of innocent people is on the hands of
> the British government , the British Army, loyalism, orangism and
> unionism just as its on the hands of the IRA. Thats where your blatent
> hyprocracy lies.
No-one denies that both sides have suffered, but we can see where you
allegiances lie so clearly with your rant against certain organisations, now
lets hear what you have to say about your own side of the fence?
Fin
Fin
"Nik" <warre...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
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I have no idea, I would as I said take out the lot of them!
> Could it be that the proof is in your arse?
>
Please keep your fantasies to yourself.
Fin
FreeIreland
> "FreeIreland" <kmce...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:880e8f3c.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > "Fin" <Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<bgmlj1$q805q$1...@ID-186569.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > "Chesney Christ" <thegreat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:TxuGNyGtrrL$Ew...@ntlworld.com...
> > > > A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
> > > >
> > > > >It amazes me further that half of them walk the street even though it
> has
> > > > >been proven most have been active IRA members.
> > > >
> > > > They are in favour of some wars, and against others. It hardly takes a
> > > > huge amount of effort to work that out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Its hardly the point though is it not? it just all seems extremely
> > > hypocritical to me that's all!
> > >
> > >
> > > Fin
> >
> > What just the same way the British army is hypocrital for the way its
> > aided supported and supplied loyalist terrorists for the last 30
> > years. This includes the supplying of intelligence, organising arm
> > shipments from south africa and providing agents who took part
> > directly in the murder of innocent people.
>
> Your lucky the SAS didn't get their way, a document was placed in front of
> Thatcher to sign with over 100 IRA members on it, if this had been signed
> they would all have vacated Gods Planet ;-)
Whos says she didn't. Its been said that she took special interest in
the FRU especially after the Brighton bombing. The problem is how
many intelligence officers singled out innocent people for execution
in order to cover their tracks or prove their alligence. Brian Nelson
a British agents rep was boosted when he organized the shippment of
arms from south africa. The following year loyalist murders rose over
200%. Even today most of these guns are in circulation. When the
British government justifies murder, british agents take part in
murder, the suppling of arms and intelligence to death squads as a
means to a politcal end. You can't just say the IRA did murdered for a
politcal aim when infact representitives of the British government and
army did the exact same. I have every rite to question the role of
murderers who wages are paid by my hard earned taxes.
>
> But for your argument above, imagine for a second that the role was reversed
> and you were sent in to protect the people of NI on both sides, both hate
> you, and yet many who live in Britain are meant to take a non biased view,
> even though the IRA are bombing the mainland.
>
First don't give me this neutral crap. It was proved a fabrication
when Falkner and Talyor both admitted the deployment of troops in NI
was the responsiblity of the unionist government. They where sent here
to support a unionist police force and maltia. The question is how
can you expect nationalists to maintain neutrality whne the British
army aided loyalist death squads in the countless murders of innocent
nationalists. How did you think natioanlists would react when with
violence the British army largely peaceful NICRA movement. JFK said
"when peacefull revolution is made impossible, violent revolution is
inevitable".
> Or maybe its the hypocrasy
> > of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
> > leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
> > walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
> > convicted UDA killers.
>
> Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
> consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
Constantly reported by whom. Maybe its that reliable and always honest
British army intelligence that would say anything to achieve its
political goals. One of Stevens detectives on Panarama said that the
first question he asked when he arived in Northern Ireland was how
many agents does the army run. His answer was none.
If you want to go down that road the PIRA have been on a ceasefire
accepted by the British. Irish and US governments for how long.
>
> > Irish nationalism remebes the unionist state of 1920-1970s Northern
> > Ireland. The blood and suffering of innocent people is on the hands of
> > the British government , the British Army, loyalism, orangism and
> > unionism just as its on the hands of the IRA. Thats where your blatent
> > hyprocracy lies.
>
> No-one denies that both sides have suffered, but we can see where you
> allegiances lie so clearly with your rant against certain organisations, now
> lets hear what you have to say about your own side of the fence?
>
No its clear that because I point out that the IRA are not the only
organisation with blood on their hands, the only way you have to
discredit me is to make claims about my allegiances. Very similar to
the 60s commie hunts in the US. A cardinal in south america once said
about the US government in the 60s "when I feed the people they call
me a saint, when I ask why they are hungry they call me a communist".
People can blame the PIRA for the troubles but the reality is the
colonization of Ulster, the partitioning of a country and enforcing a
unionist state for unionism is the real reason for the troubles.
>
> Fin
Whitewolf
Obviously you haven't been reading my posts if you think I only post
articles of interest - where you the reader read and then decide to either
accept it or reject it... I post these articles to highlight the
continuing Loyalist attacks and intimidation that goes on every day in one
part of NI or the other. articles that for the most part, the "media"
choose to ignore... And if you don't like what I'm posting, then
killfiles are your friend...
Whitewolf
All the lurkers on your side eh Harry? LOL!
>>
>> Obviously you've never quite got over the shock, when they took
>> your uniform away from you.
>>
>> Unfortunately for you this is Usenet. And as such it offers very
>> little scope for self appointed Net Nannies, or control freaks of
>> any kind.
>
>It would appear that it is YOU not he who is trying to be the Net Nanny! -
>There you go, defending the indefensible and trying to pour scorn on others
>who do not agree with your out-dated Socialistic and biased Republican
>propagandist ideaologies.
>>
>>
>> I would imagine the standard advice in such a situation would be
>> that if you don't like what Ray posts, then either argue on the
>> specifics, or stop reading him altogether.
>
>I do that on a regular basis. However, if you do not react sometimes, then
>some silly clown will almost certainly believe him!
>
Truth hurts eh Harry and you're mission is to make sure the truth is
distorted and the waters is muddied...
Whitewolf
wrote:
>"Whitewolf" <r...@eirefirst.com> wrote in message
Wow, psycho-babble analysis of me and I didn't even have to pay for the
first 45mins! LOL!!! And like all such babble it's unfounded and simply
reflects your views and opinions...
I post the articles complete and ucommented, I let the reader decide the
value of the article and it stands on it's own merits...
Now I've seen you post articles in the same manner, does that mean that you
too " post them to agitate, inflame and provoke violent reactions from
people who contribute to the newsgroup and because you think that the lies
and innuendo contained in the articles influences opinion elsewhere."?
David C Jones
hero worship out .
>
> Nik
Chesney Christ
>Its hardly the point though is it not? it just all seems extremely
>hypocritical to me that's all!
It's not hypocritical to agree with some wars, but not others. There are
some wars you'll think are right, and some you'll think are wrong.
That's not to say that the republican movement aren't a bunch of
extremely hypocritical people who use politics to cover up their
disregard for civilians and their once-complete support of murder to
achieve their objectives.
Chesney Christ
>Your lucky the SAS didn't get their way, a document was placed in front of
>Thatcher to sign with over 100 IRA members on it, if this had been signed
>they would all have vacated Gods Planet ;-)
Two problems here.
(1) Assassinating the IRA's top brass only makes them considerably
stronger, as history shows. If you swat a bee outside a nest you'll have
the whole swarm after you. The IRA can only really be defeated by
splitting them and forcibly involving them in democratic politics.
(2) Assuming you're telling the truth, why wasn't a list of 100 UDA/UVF
members put in front of Thatcher and considered SAS targets ?
Fin
> A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
>
> >Your lucky the SAS didn't get their way, a document was placed in front
of
> >Thatcher to sign with over 100 IRA members on it, if this had been signed
> >they would all have vacated Gods Planet ;-)
>
> Two problems here.
>
> (1) Assassinating the IRA's top brass only makes them considerably
> stronger, as history shows. If you swat a bee outside a nest you'll have
> the whole swarm after you. The IRA can only really be defeated by
> splitting them and forcibly involving them in democratic politics.
>
Perhaps this is the case, but wouldn't taking out over 100 top IRA officials
seriously weaken them, we are talking about the ones at the top.
> (2) Assuming you're telling the truth, why wasn't a list of 100 UDA/UVF
> members put in front of Thatcher and considered SAS targets ?
>
At that time were the UDA/UVF a major threat to the British mainland?
Fin
Nik
Ostensibly this was the case but actions speak louder than words.
> both hate you,
Bullshit. One side wants you there with all their hearts. I heard
David Ervine, with my own ears, say that the presence of the
Watchtowers increased his feelings of security.
> and yet many who live in Britain are meant to take a non biased view,
>even though the IRA are bombing the mainland.
What's this "are" shit? Get the tense right. The Provisional IRA are
*NOT* currently bombing 'the mainland'.
> Or maybe its the hypocrasy
>> of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
>> leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
>> walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
>> convicted UDA killers.
>
>Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
>consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
Proof please? Mere assertion does not establish the truth.
Nik
Fin
'yawn'
> > both hate you,
>
> Bullshit. One side wants you there with all their hearts. I heard
> David Ervine, with my own ears, say that the presence of the
> Watchtowers increased his feelings of security.
>
Oh so the many friends I have are lairs are they?
> > and yet many who live in Britain are meant to take a non biased view,
> >even though the IRA are bombing the mainland.
>
> What's this "are" shit? Get the tense right. The Provisional IRA are
> *NOT* currently bombing 'the mainland'.
>
They were at the time 'fool'
> > Or maybe its the hypocrasy
> >> of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
> >> leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
> >> walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
> >> convicted UDA killers.
> >
> >Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
> >consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
>
> Proof please? Mere assertion does not establish the truth.
>
Refute any of this....
ADAMS, Gerald (Gerry) 6 Oct 48 IRA/SF Norfolk Gardens, west Belfast
Eldest child of Anne and Gerry Adams, born 6 Oct 48
Mothers family Hannaway. Father jailed in 40`s for wounding RUC.
Wife's name Colette, married late Aug 71, one son Gearoid
Brothers: Paddy, Liam, Sean, Dominic Sisters: Margaret, Anne, Frances,
Maura, Deirdre
Grew up Ballymurphy, IRA member since 65 (age 17).
Unemployed barman (sponging British taxpayer's dole) most of his life.
Agitator and in Provo 'battalion` QM Ballymurphy 65-69
70 IC 2nd 'battalion` Belfast 'brigade` IRA.
Met Capt James Kelly of Eire Army in Belfast about arming IRA (70)
Interned, 71, released for June 72 talks, IRA's Belfast delegate to London
(72)
Jean McConville kidnapped, tortured and murdered from Divis flats, 7 Dec 72
IC Belfast 'brigade` 72 until July 73, in 72-73 IRA murdered 392 people.
Caught July 73 returned to Maze
Tried to escape by changing places with visitor Alfred McNiece who resembled
him
Refused to obey order from IRA's Dave Morley to burn hut in Maze (Oct 74)
Left Army Council Oct 82, replaced by Pat Doherty
Returned to Army Council (Nov 96)
President SF (97) . MP for West Belfast. MLA for Belfast West
On IRA Army Council (99). Still there 25 Mar 01 (Times)
Used IRA Adj General Martin Lynch's car and found bug in it (00)
Fin
Chesney Christ
>> (1) Assassinating the IRA's top brass only makes them considerably
>> stronger, as history shows. If you swat a bee outside a nest you'll have
>> the whole swarm after you. The IRA can only really be defeated by
>> splitting them and forcibly involving them in democratic politics.
>
>Perhaps this is the case, but wouldn't taking out over 100 top IRA officials
>seriously weaken them, we are talking about the ones at the top.
That logic was used in 1916 with disastrous results for the union.
>> (2) Assuming you're telling the truth, why wasn't a list of 100 UDA/UVF
>> members put in front of Thatcher and considered SAS targets ?
>
>At that time were the UDA/UVF a major threat to the British mainland?
Suddenly the union disappears. What's the point of having a union or
being part of the UK if people are going to cut you loose every now and
again? You seem to be saying that Thatcher didn't give a shit about the
IRA as long as they restricted their bombing to Northern Ireland. It
must be very depressing for unionists if they truly believe that to be
the case. It seems that the union is a big lie at times.
Chesney Christ
>> both hate you,
>
>Bullshit. One side wants you there with all their hearts. I heard
>David Ervine, with my own ears, say that the presence of the
>Watchtowers increased his feelings of security.
The security force presence for all of it's problems does have benefits
for everyone, including republicans who occasionally have to have bombs
which have been delivered to their homes defused.
>>Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
>>consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
>
>Proof please? Mere assertion does not establish the truth.
Given that the IRA was a secret organization it's going to be difficult
to find Gerry's membership documents. However if it was really that much
of a big problem I'm sure he'd sue - which to date he has not.
Fin
> A certain Fin, of soc.culture.irish "fame", writes :
>
> >> (1) Assassinating the IRA's top brass only makes them considerably
> >> stronger, as history shows. If you swat a bee outside a nest you'll
have
> >> the whole swarm after you. The IRA can only really be defeated by
> >> splitting them and forcibly involving them in democratic politics.
> >
> >Perhaps this is the case, but wouldn't taking out over 100 top IRA
officials
> >seriously weaken them, we are talking about the ones at the top.
>
> That logic was used in 1916 with disastrous results for the union.
>
Most Southern Irish people couldn't actually care less to the extent they
did in 1916 though, and the IRA are an underground organisation intent on
one goal.
I'm not saying that the list was right, but who knows what would have
happened had she signed it.
> >> (2) Assuming you're telling the truth, why wasn't a list of 100 UDA/UVF
> >> members put in front of Thatcher and considered SAS targets ?
> >
> >At that time were the UDA/UVF a major threat to the British mainland?
>
> Suddenly the union disappears. What's the point of having a union or
> being part of the UK if people are going to cut you loose every now and
> again? You seem to be saying that Thatcher didn't give a shit about the
> IRA as long as they restricted their bombing to Northern Ireland. It
> must be very depressing for unionists if they truly believe that to be
> the case. It seems that the union is a big lie at times.
>
The Union is actually disappearing under the Blair regime, one thing about
Thatcher was she took NI very seriously, Blair on the other hand would
prefer to be rid of it.
Fin
Chesney Christ
>
>Most Southern Irish people couldn't actually care less to the extent they
>did in 1916 though, and the IRA are an underground organisation intent on
>one goal.
They didn't care in 1916 either - until after the executions had taken
place.
>I'm not saying that the list was right, but who knows what would have
>happened had she signed it.
The situation would have worsened dramatically, and we'd possibly have
been plunged into civil war.
>> Suddenly the union disappears. What's the point of having a union or
>> being part of the UK if people are going to cut you loose every now and
>> again? You seem to be saying that Thatcher didn't give a shit about the
>> IRA as long as they restricted their bombing to Northern Ireland. It
>> must be very depressing for unionists if they truly believe that to be
>> the case. It seems that the union is a big lie at times.
>
>The Union is actually disappearing under the Blair regime,
Tell me about which aspects of the union have undergone a change in the
past ten years.
> one thing about
>Thatcher was she took NI very seriously,
Unionists certainly do have short memories. Now you've forgotten the
Anglo Irish Agreement. As a result of that particular document Ian
Paisley even prayed from the pulpit that God would do something horrible
to Mrs T.
>Blair on the other hand would
>prefer to be rid of it.
Under Blair and the Agreement the Anglo Irish Agreement was finally
suspended. Under Thatcher it was created and under the auspices of the
Downing St Declaration & the Framework Document (under the Major govt)
it looked like it could be strengthened.
Harry Merrick
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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> "Harry Merrick" <merr...@agencies.dnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f2f...@news.boards.ie...
>
> > "michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> > news:457feaaa.03080...@posting.google.com...
>
>
> > Otherwise, why bother participating at all?
>
> > > I often wonder about that. Obviously, you have to be
> > > unemployed at the moment, bored out of your tree, and with
> > > nothing better to do than post obvious snipes at all and sundry.
> > > If I was you I would get a job in Computer Graphics!
>
> ...
>
> Yes but Harry, the very fact that you're willing to take time
> out from your hectic schedule of selling bulk fertiliser, or the
> latest line in women's corsets, or whatever it is that you sell,
> simply in order to read my modest efforts makes it all so worthwhile!
Exactly what I mean. You have nothing better to do! Boreing!
>
> ...
>
>
> > > Because if you think you're in any position whereby you can issue
> > > general injunctions to other posters as to what they should and
> > > shouldn't post, and not thereby turn yourself into a laughing stock
> > > in the process, then your're sadly mistaken I'm afraid.
>
>
> > TUT! Double negatives! Bad English! - I really "hate" that! - Especially
> > when it is in the context of spurious rubbish.
>
> ...
>
> Would you mind pointing out the double negative in my statement please ?
It is there. You won't see it of course!
>
> Or is your knowledge of Good English about on a par with your
> knowledge of the wide range of goods offered by Argos Catalogues?
>
> i.e totally non existent!
>
> So that as per usual, you can be expected to run away from yet one
> more awkward question!
>
ROTFL! - What sheer nonsense! I happen to have fairly good qualifications in
English, in fact. My knowledge of the Argos catalogue can only be peripheral
since I seldom use it. Unlike yourself, who, obviously, uses it to purchase
the worst possible bad taste in Football jerseys and dreadfully bad style of
shell suits!
Enough! This foolish rubbish has nothing to do with the point.
--
Harry Merrick
Nik
'Yawn'? Is it not true?
>> > both hate you,
>>
>> Bullshit. One side wants you there with all their hearts. I heard
>> David Ervine, with my own ears, say that the presence of the
>> Watchtowers increased his feelings of security.
>
>Oh so the many friends I have are lairs are they?
I'm only reporting exactly what I heard, with my own ears, come from
David Ervine's mouth and he is a representative of the UVF, but you
knew that.
>> > and yet many who live in Britain are meant to take a non biased view,
>> >even though the IRA are bombing the mainland.
>>
>> What's this "are" shit? Get the tense right. The Provisional IRA are
>> *NOT* currently bombing 'the mainland'.
>
>They were at the time 'fool'
Really I should refrain from pointing out grammatical errors but this
is about more than grammatical pedantry...I will say it again:
The Provisional Irish Republican Army are *NOT* currently bombing
anywhere in Britain or Ireland...
> > Or maybe its the hypocrasy
>> >> of unionism who will not have terrorists in government but party
>> >> leaders such as Ian Paisely founder of the Ulster Volunteer force
>> >> walked into stormont on the first day of the new assembly with
>> >> convicted UDA killers.
>> >
>> >Yes, and Gerry had nothing to do with the IRA even though it has been
>> >consistantly reported that they were both commanders.
>>
>> Proof please? Mere assertion does not establish the truth.
>>
>
>Refute any of this....
>
>ADAMS, Gerald (Gerry) 6 Oct 48 IRA/SF Norfolk Gardens, west Belfast
>Eldest child of Anne and Gerry Adams, born 6 Oct 48
>Mothers family Hannaway. Father jailed in 40`s for wounding RUC.
>Wife's name Colette, married late Aug 71, one son Gearoid
>Brothers: Paddy, Liam, Sean, Dominic Sisters: Margaret, Anne, Frances,
>Maura, Deirdre
>Grew up Ballymurphy,
Sounds right to me.
> IRA member since 65 (age 17).
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Unemployed barman (sponging British taxpayer's dole) most of his life.
Gerry has been a Barman...I would like proof of this alleged dole
status though...
>Agitator and in Provo 'battalion` QM Ballymurphy 65-69
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>70 IC 2nd 'battalion` Belfast 'brigade` IRA.
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Met Capt James Kelly of Eire Army in Belfast about arming IRA (70)
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Interned, 71, released for June 72 talks, IRA's Belfast delegate to London
>(72)
Or was that Sinn Fein's delegation to London?
>IC Belfast 'brigade` 72 until July 73,
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Caught July 73 returned to Maze
>Tried to escape by changing places with visitor Alfred McNiece who resembled
>him
So what?
>Refused to obey order from IRA's Dave Morley to burn hut in Maze (Oct 74)
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Left Army Council Oct 82, replaced by Pat Doherty
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Returned to Army Council (Nov 96)
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>President SF (97) . MP for West Belfast. MLA for Belfast West
Indeed...we agree on something.
>On IRA Army Council (99). Still there 25 Mar 01 (Times)
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
>Used IRA Adj General Martin Lynch's car and found bug in it (00)
Proof please? You've made the claim, the onus is on you to support it.
Nik
Fin
I can see that you are one of they pedantic little people who only believes
or admits what they seriously have to.
If you like you can name another Provo and I'll give you details of what
he/she has been doing ;-)
I won't reveal my source though so I guess you can call me a lair and what I
posted about Gerry is all fictional, but we all know the truth!
Fin
michael adams
> I can see that you are one of they pedantic little people who only believes
> or admits what they seriously have to.
>
> If you like you can name another Provo and I'll give you details of what
> he/she has been doing ;-)
>
> I won't reveal my source though
...
No need to numbskull.
You're simply copying it all off this loyalist website.
http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/kingbilly1/
...
> so I guess you can call me a lair and what I
> posted about Gerry is all fictional, but we all know the truth!
...
Yes that you're an idiot who won't reveal his sources because
he's got fantasies of being James Bond.
And who also believes everything he reads on the Internet.
michael adams
...
Fin
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:457feaaa.03080...@posting.google.com...
news:bgv55q$s441v$6...@ID-186569.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>
>
> > I can see that you are one of they pedantic little people who only
believes
> > or admits what they seriously have to.
> >
> > If you like you can name another Provo and I'll give you details of what
> > he/she has been doing ;-)
> >
> > I won't reveal my source though
>
> ...
>
>
> No need to numbskull.
>
> You're simply copying it all off this loyalist website.
>
> http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/kingbilly1/
>
> ...
I'm actually surprised to see this, I had a document sent to me with all
paramilitary on it both sides, and some activities, it had been made up
through years of press reports, I will ask my source if he took it from this
page.
Looks really messy though for it to be the work of the person that sent it
to me.
>
> > so I guess you can call me a lair and what I
> > posted about Gerry is all fictional, but we all know the truth!
>
>
> ...
>
> Yes that you're an idiot who won't reveal his sources because
> he's got fantasies of being James Bond.
>
Oh I'm an idiot for protecting information that was given to me by someone
who doesn't wish to be named all over the net, yes very good, are you coming
back this way? can you please insult me again.
> And who also believes everything he reads on the Internet.
I don't actually do much of my reading on the internet.
Fin
michael adams
> "michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> news:457feaaa.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > You're simply copying it all off this loyalist website.
> >
> > http://members.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/
> >
> > ...
>
> I'm actually surprised to see this, I had a document sent to
> me with all paramilitary on it both sides,
...
Does the fact that the son of a prominent Republican played
Gaelic Football at County Level, qualify him for inclusion in
a list of paramilitaries then ?
Sorry qualify that.
A Loyalist Hit-List giving the names of purported prominent Republicans
and their families, and their addresses wherever possible.
...
> and some activities, it had been made up
> through years of press reports, I will ask my source if he took
> it from this page.
...
Well they're obviously from the same source. Whoever it is who produces
these Hit-Lists.
...
>
> Looks really messy though for it to be the work of the person
> that sent it to me.
>
...
Yes very convincing
...
>
> Oh I'm an idiot for protecting information that was given to me
> by someone who doesn't wish to be named all over the net,
...
Possibly those finding themselves on this Hit-List of purported
prominent Republicans and their families, as published on that
Website mightn't wish for their names and adresses to be put on
the Net either.
...
> yes very good, are you coming
> back this way? can you please insult me again.
...
I don't need to insult you.
Your quite obvious stupidity and\or naiveté speak for themselves.
michael adams
....
Nik
>"Nik" <warre...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:qns2jv8k65kg4fmts...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:10:34 +0100, "Fin" <Blu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
><snipped>
>
>I can see that you are one of they pedantic little people who only believes
>or admits what they seriously have to.
Pedantic I can live with, little however, is off target.
>If you like you can name another Provo and I'll give you details of what
>he/she has been doing ;-)
Tell me about what the Castlerea 5 have been up to then...
>I won't reveal my source though so I guess you can call me a lair and what I
>posted about Gerry is all fictional, but we all know the truth!
I want to assure you that I will never call you a lair. I have no
reason to do so.
I might call you a taxi if you asked me nicely...
Nik