Question For Canadian Lawyers
TWD
I would like to know if the following situation constitutes fraud
or misrepresentation:
HRDC has hired a company called Tecsult to assist job seekers
with training. One of the training courses available is language
training in either official language - English or French. The idea
is great, and sounds very promising to anyone who wants to work
for the government. However, anyone who already has a
knowledge of either official language does NOT qualify for the
training.
What the ...?
Sounds like blatant fraud to me.
Any lawyers care to comment on this?
Thanks for your help,
TWD
Tim Campbell
subjects.
If you already are bilingual, why are you surprised that you dont qualify?
Your point may be an argument for discrimination, but not fraud.
"TWD" <spamred...@idiotoutside.com> wrote in message
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TWD
Thanks, but that's not what I mean. The criteria for people who apply for
assistance for this training appears to be impossible to reach. In order to
be eligible for this training (English OR French) you must have NO
working knowledge of either official language. If this is true, then how
does the presenter explain the criteria in the first place? What they are
saying is that unless you speak Chinese, German, Polish, Italian, Spanish,
or a host of other Non-English or Non-French languages as your mother
tongue, you do not qualify for this assistance. In that case, then the
person
presenting the training details MUST speak one of those languages himself
or herself. If you're wondering what I mean, I mean that the training
materials,
training info pamphlets, training presentations and any other details
relating to
this language assistance are all already printed or delivered in English or
French.
You are right about the argument for it being discrimination though. If a
person
has knowledge of English or French and cannot take this training, then that
is
certainly discrimination. This seems to be a recurring theme in our
government.
They don't seem to understand that favoritism = discrimination.
Cheers,
TWD
"Tim Campbell" <timo...@sentex.net> wrote in message
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Peter D
instead of your own spin? It's obvious that they put your nose out of
shape over something. Why else would you use innuendo to accuse them of
fraud? Nothing you've said indicates anything fraudulent is going on.
You should be thankful the company named in your posting doesn't sue
you.
Anyway, I'll take an educated guess at what the truth is. They have a
training course to teach ESL/(FSL?) to potential job seekers whose
native tongue is neither. You -- a bilingual speaker -- want to take the
training. Why is beyond me. You can't. Too bad. The purpose of the
training is to improve the English/French of non English/French
speakers. Of course, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either
language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a
specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better
their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew
that.
TWD wrote in message ...
TWD
language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a
specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better
their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already knew
that.
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No Peter, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language well,
it's aimed at those who cannot speak either language AT ALL. This is
my point. If you have ANY knowledge of English or French, you cannot take
the training. Fine. But if that's the case, why is the presentation given
in English or French AT ALL? It should be something else entirely.
If a Chinese person wants to take the training in English, is the
presentation
going to be given to that person in English? Duhh!
TWD
Peter D
>language, but those who cannot speak either language well.
>
>And it's not "discrimination" to create a course that caters to a
>specific group of people (non E/F native speakers) in order to better
>their lot in this bilingual world of ours. But you probably already
knew
>that.
>
>---
>No Peter, it isn't aimed at those who cannot speak either language
well,
>it's aimed at those who cannot speak either language AT ALL.
According to you. Produce the actual material and I'll believe it.
Otherwise it just sounds like a disgruntled person who wants in on a
course and can't get it.
--
Peter D
TWD
"Peter D" <p...@se.ask> wrote in message
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For your information, I haven't even applied for it. I'm not going
to go in there and get the same treatment that the last group got.
If I apply for it, I will speak German.
TWD