Protect Copyright: Kill your computer
David W.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/13/1021002430938.html
" Poison' CD to catch copyists
By Garry Barker
May 14 2002
The writing could be on the wall for computer buffs who copy
music CDs for their friends. Sony Music has planted a "poisoned
pellet" of software in Celine Dion's latest CD, A New Day Has Come,
that is capable of crashing, and in cases permanently freezing,
the optical drives of personal computers into which the discs are
inserted.
Michael Speck, of the Australian Record Industry Association,
confirmed yesterday that the anti-piracy software trials were
under way but said "spiked" CDs had not so far been distributed
in Australia, but it was inevitable. The music companies were
"simply protecting their property", he said.
Computer users disagree. They say they should be able to use their
computers to play CDs for which they have paid, should be able to
copy songs into MP3 portable music players and be free to make
"personal" copies of CDs they have bought. Most of all, they say,
the music companies should not get away with damaging expensive
personal computers, which appears to have occurred in Britain.
Mr Speck said the big music companies were not concerned about
individual copying, but with how to beat mass piracy. "
Leaving aside the obvious Celine Dion jokes, I find that last
comment bitterly ironic.
Let's see. I can't play these CDs on a brand new PC, despite
its Hi-Fi surround sound speakers, and I can't download it to
an iPod without it crashing the Mac.
But a pirate can still plug the Audio Out from their stereo
into the Audio In on their PC and record a near-perfect
digital copy of the track. Rip that to MP3. And then either
upload it to Audiogalaxy etc., or burn to CD and sell the
pirate version to pissed off customers who want a copy that
*will* run on their PCs.
Hell, the pirates don't even have to PAY for the CD. They buy
it, burn it, then return to the store for a refund claiming it
won't work with their audio equipment.
Sw33t.
Sony's response, obviously, is to make CDs that don't play at all.
(Conspiracy theorists can insert a Sony-Playstation-vs-Microsoft-
X-Box-as-the-new-centre-of-home-entertainment theory here.)
David W.
(still avoiding jokes about Celine Dion)
Cam
wrote:
> Mr Speck said the big music companies were not concerned about
> individual copying, but with how to beat mass piracy. "
I trust there are big stonking warning labels slapped all over it RE:
'this CD will ream your HD, have a nice day'.
>Let's see. I can't play these CDs on a brand new PC, despite
>its Hi-Fi surround sound speakers, and I can't download it to
>an iPod without it crashing the Mac.
>
>But a pirate can still plug the Audio Out from their stereo
>into the Audio In on their PC and record a near-perfect
>digital copy of the track. Rip that to MP3. And then either
>upload it to Audiogalaxy etc., or burn to CD and sell the
>pirate version to pissed off customers who want a copy that
>*will* run on their PCs.
So it's actually going to fan the flames of piracy rather than quell
them? Whoda thunk it.
So, aside from being able to ill-afford CD purchases, I am now afraid
to do so. Sweet.
Cam
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Synic
> So, aside from being able to ill-afford CD purchases, [...]
That's pretty much what's kept me out of the CD market.
When they were first introduced, we were promised the $30 price
would come down when CD players were more popular. Then when we
were promised the price would come down when import monopolies
were removed a couple of years ago...
The prices never did come down (unless you count inflation
creep as a price drop) and I've rarely been able to justify
to myself spending $30 on a music CD when there are so many
other things around to spend my hard-earned dosh on (that
are frankly better value for money).
David W.
"stranger.." wrote:
> Which means if you want to listen to music on your PC, you will steer away
> from new CDs and go for old second hand ones or, ultimately, pirated copies.
> Nice one, Einsteins.
Or you could buy from small, independent record labels
who understand their customers are actually doing them
a *favour* buying their CDs.
For organizations that depend on people liking them
enough to give them money, many big businesses have
a very antagonistic attitude to their customer base.
Hm...
I'm all in favour of copyright. I do believe that artists
should have control of their work, and receive money for
it[1].
But surely the carrot is better than the stick.
Which would you rather fork out for: a beautifully
crafted package like the recent Shinjuku Thief box
set, or a cheap and nasty CD that crashes your computer?
David W.
[1] Something the big music companies aren't exactly
great at. There was an article in the Green Guide
a month or so ago about the new "pay for MP3s" sites
that are meant to replace Napster. Turns out Sony
et al. were paying the artists the same amount that
Napster were: zilch.
Spark
David W. <dav...@gothic.net.au> wrote in message
> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/13/1021002430938.html
>
> " Poison' CD to catch copyists
>
I don't know if it ever made it to this ng, but a few months ago there was
an article in New Scientist about companies selling "poisoned" CDs in places
like Slovenia and Hungary as a testing ground for the western market. I
believe the technology was somewhat dubious (ie, it could screw up a
legitimate system) and what they threw in contributed to a degradation of
sound quality.
I wonder if they'll aply it to data CD's. I've had the occaisional
discussion about modern data pirate protection is rehashing methods used
10-15 years ago.
L.
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solitaire
<stra...@goth.net.spicedham> wrote:
>
>David W. quoth
>
>:From The Age website:
>:http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/13/1021002430938.html
>:
>:" Poison' CD to catch copyists
>:
>: By Garry Barker
>: May 14 2002
>:
>: The writing could be on the wall for computer buffs who
>: copy music CDs for their friends. Sony Music has planted
>: a "poisoned pellet" of software in Celine Dion's latest CD,
>: A New Day Has Come, that is capable of crashing, and in
>: cases permanently freezing, the optical drives of personal
>: computers into which the discs are inserted.
>
>
>as long as it's only the major labels doing this.
>
>Want new music you can play safely on your computer? Buy only independent
>releases. Want something that is released on a major label? Only touch
>pirated copies.
>
Or buy a laundry marker pen with it:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fpraxis_
wissen%2Fpraxis_wissen_8725919.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8
&safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
(you'll need to join the lines, apologies for the long URL...)
Postit notes work too, apparently, but have a tendency to screw up your
CD drive even more than the copy protection.
sol.
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jarod
> [1] Something the big music companies aren't exactly
> great at. There was an article in the Green Guide
> a month or so ago about the new "pay for MP3s" sites
> that are meant to replace Napster. Turns out Sony
> et al. were paying the artists the same amount that
> Napster were: zilch.
I believe that most label contracts give the record label rights to
promote and sell music in any way [and they are the one true owners of
the "master"] and it's only from CD sales [sales... not promotions...
which is often not stipulated to a quantity, so a label can in truth
sell the CD's and just say they were promotions] that a band receives
money.
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jay
>" Poison' CD to catch copyists
>
> By Garry Barker
> May 14 2002
>
> The writing could be on the wall for computer buffs who copy
> music CDs for their friends. Sony Music has planted a "poisoned
> pellet" of software in Celine Dion's latest CD, A New Day Has Come,
> that is capable of crashing, and in cases permanently freezing,
> the optical drives of personal computers into which the discs are
> inserted.
>
This was on the front page of the SMH about a month ago. I felt angry enough to
write a letter to the paper [which they printed]. Can't remember exactly what I
wrote, but it must've been good. Something about conceding the rights of a
record company to own and sell the original of a sound recording but also about
the need to assert the equally important rights of a consumer who legally buys
a sanctioned copy of that master to play it wherever and however he/she goddamn
pleases.
And if restrictions are placed on how the CD can be played that this should be
reflected in the price.
And that there is no direct provable link between piracy and sales, no matter
how often media conglomerates try to fudge what little reliable data there is.
jay
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David W.
> Want new music you can play safely on your computer? Buy only independent
> releases. Want something that is released on a major label? Only touch
> pirated copies.
Insert sigh of relief that Bad Religion have
moved from Sony back to Epitaph.
David W.
wico
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fprax
> is_
> wissen%2Fpraxis_wissen_8725919.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=U
> TF8 &safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
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> (you'll need to join the lines, apologies for the long URL...)
makeashorterlink.com is your friend.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E10642DD
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Brock Ulfsen
Greylock Sidious: Sith Lord wrote:
> Last episode "David W." <dav...@gothic.net.au> said:
>>From The Age website:
>
>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/13/1021002430938.html
>>
>
> This was on slashdot today.
> Apparently the Star Wars 2 soundtrack will do this,
> and Apple (Steve! Jobs!) have issued a statement claiming that to use such
> a CD will invalidate your warranty.
Hmmm, I wonder what the ACCC will say about all this.
Deliberately damaging someones hardware, forcing repairs... Sounds
actionable.
Actually, under the proposed Terrorism Laws... <very evil grin>
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Brock Ulfsen
Greylock Sidious: Sith Lord wrote:
> Well, given the fact that Professor Fells is about to be bound, gagged and
> reamed by the business lobby, probably not much.
> Did you know Royal Dutch Shell (cue Lev's tales of exploitation, etc, in
> Nigeria) have threatened to, effectively, pull out of Australia if the
> power of the ACCC isn't scaled back?
<waves at departing multinational>
Stops, thinks. Hmmm, aren't they represented here by locally
incorporated subsidaries? Hmmm, Shareholders and boards subject to local
laws... Could be very messy...
Red Drag Diva
Cam <cwro...@DIESPAMDIEtig.com.au> wrote:
: So, aside from being able to ill-afford CD purchases, I am now afraid
: to do so. Sweet.
See http://rocknerd.org/rocknerd/1021418148/index_html - I'm very happy
with this story. (Nine paragraphs, about five hours' research and
rewriting total, with great time pressure. Web-based journalism is
*hard* writing.)
Note that your post is linked in the first sentence ;-)
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Neef
<daniell...@subdimension.com> wrote:
>
>Poison pellet in a Celine Dion CD, that is really very funny. Or maybe
>I'm just over tired.
It'd be funnier if it was a Poison Pellet inside Celine Dion. :)
Neef (choke! Choke!!!)
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Hyd...@hotmail.GOV.invalid wrote:
> Last episode "David W." <dav...@gothic.net.au> said:
> >From The Age website:
> >http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/05/13/1021002430938.html
>
> This was on slashdot today.
> Apparently the Star Wars 2 soundtrack will do this,
> and Apple (Steve! Jobs!) have issued a statement claiming that to use such
> a CD will invalidate your warranty.
No surprises there.
I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
company's CD fucks it?
Mr Q. Z. D.
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Unknown
> Stops, thinks. Hmmm, aren't they represented here by locally
> incorporated subsidaries? Hmmm, Shareholders and boards subject to local
> laws... Could be very messy...
Yeah, complete ambit claim bollocks. World's fifteenth largest
economy or something, best performing. No company in their
right minds would pull out.
I'm a bit confused as to how the CD protection thing would be
legal. The entertainment industry always seems to lose its
copyright-protection lawsuits, why is this any different?
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Hobbes
> computers to play CDs for which they have paid, should be able to
> copy songs into MP3 portable music players and be free to make
> "personal" copies of CDs they have bought. Most of all, they say,
> the music companies should not get away with damaging expensive
> personal computers, which appears to have occurred in Britain.
>
my dvd player (cos its hooked into the stereo and better
quality then my old cd player, and in my computer at work...
this isn't piracy, its listening to music how i want.
Hobbes
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Ben
: I believe that most label contracts give the record label rights to
: promote and sell music in any way [and they are the one true owners of
: the "master"] and it's only from CD sales [sales... not promotions...
: which is often not stipulated to a quantity, so a label can in truth
: sell the CD's and just say they were promotions] that a band receives
: money.
True.
On the other hand, I believe these crippled CDs are the same ones that
Phillips have been complaining about because, in order to cripple
them, they do not adhere to the standards developed for what defines a
Compact Disc. As a consequence Phillips are insisting that labels
releasing such non-standard products should not carry the compact disc
logo you will currently find on any regular audio or recordable CD.
Last I heard that debate had not been resolved, but it is quite likely
that these crippled products break the accepted industry standards and
should, at the very least, be clearly labelled as such.
Also, someone here mentioned their concern over potential damage to
DVD players. Consider that if a DVD player cannot be damaged by this
then it will also be easily circumventable with the DeCCS code on *nix
platforms, but if it is damaged by the crippleware then that
crippleware is very likely not long for this world.
Regards,
Ben
Lionel
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
[poisoned 'CDs']
>I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
>audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
>noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
>company's CD fucks it?
Sue 'em. It'd be poetic justice.
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Hobbes
>
>http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fpraxis_
>wissen%2Fpraxis_wissen_8725919.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8
>&safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
>
>(you'll need to join the lines, apologies for the long URL...)
>
Do you want to give us the gist off it?
solitaire
<hob...@atlantis.ecr.mu.oz.au> wrote:
>On 14 May 2002 06:47:03 GMT, solitaire <soli...@lioness.tygger.net> wrote:
>>
>>http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chip.de%2Fpraxis_
>>wissen%2Fpraxis_wissen_8725919.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8
>>&safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
>>
>>(you'll need to join the lines, apologies for the long URL...)
>>
>Doesn't seem to work under IRIX and crashed my browser...
>Do you want to give us the gist off it?
>
whiteboard marker or a postit note, either of which can apparently be
used to cover up the copy protection bit.
sol.
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<n...@alt.net> wrote:
> Word has it that on Wed, 15 May 2002 00:37:08 GMT, in this august forum,
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>
> [poisoned 'CDs']
> >I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
> >audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
> >noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
> >company's CD fucks it?
>
> Sue 'em. It'd be poetic justice.
Problem is they have armies of lawyers and oodles of ca$h. I fear that
QZD vs Sony would end up seeing the plaintiff quite, quite destitute and
for what? A "shame! Shame!" story on ACA at the very best.
Remember everyone, you have been warned. Celine Dion is the work of
Baphomet himself.
Lionel
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>In article <9e74eu0hmj6u0t221...@4ax.com>, Lionel
><n...@alt.net> wrote:
>
>> Word has it that on Wed, 15 May 2002 00:37:08 GMT, in this august forum,
>> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>> [poisoned 'CDs']
>> >I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
>> >audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
>> >noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
>> >company's CD fucks it?
>>
>> Sue 'em. It'd be poetic justice.
>
>Problem is they have armies of lawyers and oodles of ca$h. I fear that
>QZD vs Sony would end up seeing the plaintiff quite, quite destitute and
>for what? A "shame! Shame!" story on ACA at the very best.
No problem. Complain to the manufacturer of your DVD player & convince
*them* to sue the maker of the 'CD'.
>Remember everyone, you have been warned. Celine Dion is the work of
>Baphomet himself.
No argument from me on /that/ point.
solitaire
<n...@alt.net> wrote:
>Word has it that on Wed, 15 May 2002 22:56:21 GMT, in this august forum,
>"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>>In article <9e74eu0hmj6u0t221...@4ax.com>, Lionel
>><n...@alt.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Word has it that on Wed, 15 May 2002 00:37:08 GMT, in this august forum,
>>> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>>>
>>> [poisoned 'CDs']
>>> >I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
>>> >audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
>>> >noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
>>> >company's CD fucks it?
>>>
>>> Sue 'em. It'd be poetic justice.
>>
>>Problem is they have armies of lawyers and oodles of ca$h. I fear that
>>QZD vs Sony would end up seeing the plaintiff quite, quite destitute and
>>for what? A "shame! Shame!" story on ACA at the very best.
>
>No problem. Complain to the manufacturer of your DVD player & convince
>*them* to sue the maker of the 'CD'.
It's not *their* problem.
They, as Apple have pointed out, design their players to play
official, standards-mandated CDs (as licensed by Phillips).
If someone makes something that is *not* a CD(tm), and you try to
play it, in what way is that the DVD player manufacturers problem?
sol.
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Cam
<f...@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 May 2002 02:16:11 GMT,
>Cam <cwro...@DIESPAMDIEtig.com.au> wrote:
>
>: So, aside from being able to ill-afford CD purchases, I am now afraid
>: to do so. Sweet.
>
>
>See http://rocknerd.org/rocknerd/1021418148/index_html - I'm very happy
>with this story. (Nine paragraphs, about five hours' research and
>rewriting total, with great time pressure. Web-based journalism is
>*hard* writing.)
>
>Note that your post is linked in the first sentence ;-)
*snork*
Nice article, btw. Concise and info dense. I especially enjoyed this
quote:
"This may become the most ripped CD in history, if only out of spite."
If this happens, I'll be full of special dark glee.
Cam
<stra...@goth.net.spicedham> wrote:
>Actually, the more i think about it, the more this seems to have an upside,
>as long as it's only the major labels doing this.
>
>releases. Want something that is released on a major label? Only touch
>pirated copies.
I was thinking the same thing. This COULD be a shot in the arm for
struggling independents. If a spark takes hold, the word of mouth
could really do wonders.
>Of course, it's fucking despicable for people to suffer potentially hundreds
>of dollars of damage for the crime of listening to a ten buck single on
>their computer (and i'd like to see some sort of labelling enforced) but
>that's all the more reason to read the word "Sony" (or any other company
>that does this) on a CD as "do not buy this product".
For the last few years my computer has been my stereo, by force of
need, and doesnt look to be changing any time soon. I therefore am
completely unable to listen to any tampered CD, and therefore will not
even be considering purchasing one - no matter who the artist is.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
soli...@lioness.tygger.net wrote:
Very true. The legal argument would end up being between the CD
manufacturer and the equipment owner and would revolve around whether
the former had in any way indicated that the CD itself didn't adhere to
standards.
If there is no "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo on the packaging then
the argument could get very hairy indeed.
Trayce
> quote:
>
> "This may become the most ripped CD in history, if only out of spite."
>
> If this happens, I'll be full of special dark glee.
Heh. "Special dark glee". I like that, it sounds like something Squee
would have.
Trayce (soul full of marmite)
solitaire
Phillips have indicated that the CD in question violates the
standards.
Phillips, IIRC, fought *very* hard to retain the right to license
the CD logo and trademark, in the face of "Oh, it's just a word. Like
Hoover."
So no, in this instance, there is a definitive standard, and a body
legally responsible for licensing that standard. And that body has
*insisted* that the "CD like object" in question *not* display the CD
logo.
So it's pretty cut and dried. If it *did* display the logo, then the
manufacturer is in violation of several laws regarding false
advertising. If it *didn't*, then as far as I'm concerned, it's *not*
a CD, and if you're foolish enough to put it in a CD player, that's
your problem. And I'd be much more sympathettic, actually, if it
weren't for the prevalance of DVDs. Pre-DVD, I could see an argument
for "But it looks like a CD.". These days, we have at least one
example of "Looks like CD but isn't". So caveat emptor, says I.
But then I'm unsympathetic like that. I *can* see an argument that the
cd-like object was obviously *designed* to be played in a licensed CD
player, and though I gather the CD logo was replaced with "will not
play in PC/Mac", that's really not enough warning if it actually
destroys hardware. So yes, I can see that too - if you're designing
something to be played in licensed CD players (which this CD obviously
was), it should, at the very worst, simply Not Work (tm) in a licensed
CD player (which PC CD drives are, of course), rather than actively
destroying it.
Hrm.
So yes, while I don't personally see it as hairy, I can see it
potentially clogging up legal systems for a loooong time.
sol.
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Lionel
soli...@lioness.tygger.net (solitaire) said:
>On Thu, 16 May 2002 17:25:12 +1000, Lionel
[...]
>>No problem. Complain to the manufacturer of your DVD player & convince
>>*them* to sue the maker of the 'CD'.
>Uh, why?
>It's not *their* problem.
>They, as Apple have pointed out, design their players to play
>official, standards-mandated CDs (as licensed by Phillips).
>If someone makes something that is *not* a CD(tm), and you try to
>play it, in what way is that the DVD player manufacturers problem?
Simple. It harms their reputation. Wouldn't you think twice about
purchasing a player that is known to be damagable by a major music
distributor's products?
That is something that most definitely can be taken to court. As is
knowingly selling a faulty (& damaging) product that can easily be
confused with the genuine article.
cf: Canon vs the importers of dodgy ink-cartridge refill kits that can
fuck up their printers.
I'm sure that someone like CD can think of more examples.
solitaire
<n...@alt.net> wrote:
>Word has it that on 16 May 2002 07:46:40 GMT, in this august forum,
>soli...@lioness.tygger.net (solitaire) said:
>
>>On Thu, 16 May 2002 17:25:12 +1000, Lionel
>[...]
>>>No problem. Complain to the manufacturer of your DVD player & convince
>>>*them* to sue the maker of the 'CD'.
>>Uh, why?
>>It's not *their* problem.
>
>purchasing a player that is known to be damagable by a major music
>distributor's products?
>That is something that most definitely can be taken to court.
Apple taking Sony to court for the sake of their reputation? It's a
good point. Ok, from that point of view, in that Sony have made Apple
look bad, yes. But, from my point of view, would I think twice about
purchasing a player that is known to be damagable by sticking a piece
of toast and jam into it? It's designed to play CD(tm)s. Not
AlmostCD(tm)s. As soon as you stick a NotCD(tm) into it, then no, it
doesn't much matter what kind of NotCD it is, It's not a CD(tm).
In fact, I'd argue that as soon as Apple take Sony to court, Sony will
say "So you admit that your player *should* not be damaged by them?".
Apple, really, *must* stick to the line that playing a NotCD(tm) is not
their problem. Doesn't matter what the NotCD is
>As is
>knowingly selling a faulty (& damaging) product that can easily be
>confused with the genuine article.
>
Ok.
If we have the assumption that the offending products carry a CD(tm)
logo, then yes, it's all much more reasonable.
But if it doesn't say CD(tm), then, well, you have to prove that the
CD concept is more meaningful than the CD license, and Phillips fought
long and hard to prove otherwise.
sol.
.
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solitaire <soli...@lioness.tygger.net> wrote:
: Ok.
: If we have the assumption that the offending products carry a CD(tm)
: logo, then yes, it's all much more reasonable.
: But if it doesn't say CD(tm), then, well, you have to prove that the
: CD concept is more meaningful than the CD license, and Phillips fought
: long and hard to prove otherwise.
It's sold in CD shops, in the manner of a CD, with a whole bunch of
other CDs. So it's a sort of Trojan CD.
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solitaire wrote:
> But if it doesn't say CD(tm), then, well, you have to prove that the
> CD concept is more meaningful than the CD license, and Phillips fought
> long and hard to prove otherwise.
So you go Sanity or Bob's CDs because they sold it as a CD, from a rack full of CDs. Could make it hard for Sony to find retail outlets.
mescaline
news:9e74eu0hmj6u0t221...@4ax.com...
> Word has it that on Wed, 15 May 2002 00:37:08 GMT, in this august forum,
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> said:
>
> [poisoned 'CDs']
> >I'm wondering if the same damage would be done to DVD players (which do
> >audio CD playback similarly to computer drives). My DVD player is the
> >noise maker in my hi-fi system so what happens if some bastard record
> >company's CD fucks it?
>
> Sue 'em. It'd be poetic justice.
I wonder if it would be possible to take action for malicious damage against
the record co. in question...
Synic
> It's sold in CD shops, in the manner of a CD, with a whole bunch of
> other CDs. So it's a sort of Trojan CD.
for sale must be fit and merchantable quality. If those goods
are traded as in a way which would convince their customers they
were buying audio CDs, but they are in fact not compliant audio CDs and
routinely break CD players, the goods are by definition not fit and
merchantable.
(Or at least this is how a reading of my trusty copy of "Business
Law of Australia" indicates to me. Mind you, I'm not a lawyer and Sony
may have found loopholes around this.)
Sara
> > and Apple (Steve! Jobs!) have issued a statement claiming that to use such
> > a CD will invalidate your warranty.
>
The TechNote issued by Apple clearly stated that these discs were NOT
CDs as defined by the standard, and the cost of removing one from your
computer - should you insert it into your drive, is not covered by
warranty.
Then again, people who insert the business card sized CDs into slot
load CD players aren't covered either.
The TechNote decribed a number of methods for ejecting the CD which
did not involve physically dismantling the CD mechanism.
Sara
pedant
Sara
> Mr Q. Z. D.--
> "...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
> If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Hurray for New Math!
I used to have that quote on my pencil case in high school, everyone
thought I was strange, who-da thought?
Sara
"... smut, I love it
a dirty novel
I can't shut
I don't know what
compares with smut
hip hip horay
lets hear it for the supreme court" - Tom Lehrer
Neef
Does it actually freeze the center spool thing in the down position?
Normally thats what that tiny hole and a paper clip is for, if the
drive refuses to open.
Neef (it makes *no sense*!)
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Trayce
>"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<isaac_azathoth-244...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>...
>
>> Mr Q. Z. D.--
>
>> "...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
>> If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
>
>Hurray for New Math!
>
>I used to have that quote on my pencil case in high school, everyone
>thought I was strange, who-da thought?
Heh. I have a gif file somewhere of a line drawing of a buxom wench,
holding up a sign that says "new math. Turnips = shit"
I have no idea who made it or what it means, but I suspect the work of
Nikolai, if he's still out there lurking somewhere ;)
Trayce (stranger than fiction)
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Mr Q. Z. Diablo
sa...@vurt.net (Sara) wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <isaac_a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<isaac_azathoth-244...@newsroom.utas.edu.au>...
>
> > Mr Q. Z. D.--
>
> > "...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
> > If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
>
> Hurray for New Math!
"You can't take three from two - two is less than three - so you look at
the four in the tens place. Now that's really four tens, so you make it
three tens and you change the ten to ten ones and you add it to the two
and you take away three and that's nine. Is that clear?"
Mr Q. Z. D.
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Lionel
forum, Trayce <tra...@somethingorother.com> said:
>Heh. I have a gif file somewhere of a line drawing of a buxom wench,
>holding up a sign that says "new math. Turnips = shit"
>
>I have no idea who made it or what it means, but I suspect the work of
>Nikolai, if he's still out there lurking somewhere ;)
If you mean Nikolai Kingsley (& it sounds like something from his
demented brain), he posts to alt.tasteless every now & then.