Question about herb correspondences...
Nightwish
up the chances of getting a reply by doing a little cross-posting...
I must admit, I'm a novice in the area of witchcraft, and have many
questions. I've never claimed to have knowledge superior to others in this
field. (I just want to make that clear, so people don't misunderstand. I'm
not picking a fight or anything!) Anyway, the subject of herbs is of
particular interest to me, especially in the context of writing my own
spells. I've been researching various web sites on herbal correspondences
lately and have found several to have quite comprehensive lists, however, I
recently came upon a site which lists properties of herbal blends. This
sparked a question in my mind. (I'm not quite sure how to phrase this the
right way, so I hope people can understand what I'm trying to ask.) Say for
instance I'm trying to write a spell for... protection. So, I go to one of
the pages I've found which list herb correspondences... and find an herb
known for its protective qualities. Now, say I want to make this spell more
specific. I want to protect my home from negative energy. So I go to that
same list and find another herb known for its ability to banish negative
energy. Now, if in the context of the spell, I were to combine these two
herbs, would it alter their known individual properties? That is the
question the site based on properties of herbal blends has raised. I would
appreciate serious responses to this question and I look forward to hearing
what people have to say. I would to say ahead of time, that I appreciate any
time anyone puts into their response to my question. Thanks!
~Nightwish
Brenda G. Kent
why do you think or believe that one herb has protective qualities and
another not?
Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens.
Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
Yes, it would alter the abilities somewhat. Of course, another way to
alter them is to actually grow the herb, and keep it alive instead of
cut. Especially with protection, I prefer planting the herbs as part of
the ritual, since it tends to appear as more permanent. It does require
more planning though.
--
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Nightwish
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Nightwish
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I think I understand... it alter it in that the second herb would give it
more of a specific direction, like it would in the spell itself, right? With
the one herb, its just for protection, but in adding the second herb, it
becomes a more specific form of protection, and thus slightly alters the
first. I think I have that right, but please, by all means, correct me if
I've got it wrong.
>Of course, another way to
> alter them is to actually grow the herb, and keep it alive instead of
> cut.
As in sort of a living protection, I see.
> Especially with protection, I prefer planting the herbs as part of
> the ritual, since it tends to appear as more permanent. It does require
> more planning though.
That and space.... and a green thumb. Both of which I don't have. But, I
appreciate your taking the time to answer my question.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
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>
>Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>
help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:40:31 GMT
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>this
>> > field. (I just want to make that clear, so people don't misunderstand.
>I'm
>> > not picking a fight or anything!) Anyway, the subject of herbs is of
***not picking a fight..and then you tell me to shut up.
?
Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
Maybe she read your posts?
theoneflasehaddock
Well, if you had shut up, then it wouldn't be a fight, now would it?
Nightwish
That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
****you would'nt see it from my posts..however you might be swayed by the
propaganda of Jani.
Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
Propaganda. Of course, that's what it is. It's everyone else spreading
that propaganda again.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:09:27 GMT
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>
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
>> > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
>> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
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>> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > [4] alt.witchcraft
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>> >
>> >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>> >
>> ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
>> help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
>> newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
>> witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>>
>> Brenda
>
***and what brings that to your thinking? the schoolyard gang?
If you were really looking to learn....and you were being sidetracked and
fooled into believing lies by others because it was the cool thing to
do...and you just found out later that you let a great chance to learn
pass you by....would you really be happy about it? If you would be....then
you are all about the "party" atmosphere and not about learning the ways
of witches. Powerful witches do not feel the need to put down
other....powerful witches don't let their secrets out by showing anger
which exposes weakness. Yes you're learning and you will continue to and I
really hope you don't get swayed into the Buffy and Fantasy group because
then your learning will slow down immeasureably I feel and you will be a
person who dresses up the part of witch......like a nice little pastry
with nothing substantial inside.
With hopes for a kinder Nightwish to appear.
Brenda
Maleficent766
Ahhh gads.......here we go again. No one seems to want your snotty input
Brenda. Why _can't_ you just shut up once in awhile? It'd do us all good!!
You don't help, you don't teach, you're just a slow learner. You'd wonder
where dirt came from if you didn't have someone to tell you.
Gawds. How dare you presume that this is actually a *newbie* you're trying
to 'teach'? Hm? Maybe it's someone else that's just here to be Mean to lil
ol' you? Could be ya know. You must be famous by now!
You lie about being a witch, maybe she's 'ravening' you Brenda!!!! *haha*
Seriously, she's probably seen you make a fool of yourself already and she's
sick of hearing about all your supposed 'knowledge'.
You're so damned presumptuous. Why don't you go someplace where you're
appreciated?
Is there such a place by now?
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] theoneflasehaddock
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:23:51 -0500
> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
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> References:
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>
>
>
>Brenda G. Kent wrote:
>>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>>
>>> Reply to: [1] theoneflasehaddock
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:07:19 -0500
>>
>>
>> ****you would'nt see it from my posts..however you might be swayed by the
>> propaganda of Jani.
>>
>> Brenda
>
>Propaganda. Of course, that's what it is. It's everyone else spreading
>that propaganda again.
>
>--
>theoneflasehaddock
***it's a few who spew....not everyone else. There are those who
shreik...those that can't understand..don't want to admit they can't
understand and so get angry and spew (cuz it looks cooler) and those that
assume from propaganda that I am a shit disturber so instead of actually
trying to understand and giving me the benefit of the doubt they more
easily jump on the band wagon. It's the same atmosphere you find on the
fundie Christians newsgroups too. Take one of these out and replace with
the other and you have the same people really. The majority of those out
there however are nice, kind,wise witches and other pagan folk they just
don't post as much is all.
Brenda
ps. not bad...you got me to look at a few of your posts! I must be in a
good mood.
Maleficent766
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> "Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
> > >
> > > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> > > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> > > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
> > > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> > > Newsgroups:
> > > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> > > [3] alt.pagan,
> > > [4] alt.witchcraft
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> > > References:
> > > [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
> > >
> > >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
> > >
> > ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
> > help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up?
You didn't offer any information to the *newbie* Brenda, you were just
showing off your ignorance Again by throwing a question back at her. Your
problem is that you have no clue *how* to ask a question or give advice.
To quote Brenda:
"Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens."
That's a snotty way to answer her. You've had this *problem* all along and
you just won't admit you can't talk to ppl, can you? Hence, you get a "Shut
up Brenda, just shut up!"
Does how you "perceive" a poisonous plant make it any less poisonous?
> > If you are indeed a
> > newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
> > witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
> >
> > Brenda
>
> That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
There's no question about her 'credibility' any more. She has none.
kw
>
>
theoneflasehaddock
Brenda G. Kent wrote:
>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>
>> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>>
>>That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
>
>
> ***and what brings that to your thinking? the schoolyard gang?
> If you were really looking to learn....and you were being sidetracked and
> fooled into believing lies by others because it was the cool thing to
> do...and you just found out later that you let a great chance to learn
> pass you by....would you really be happy about it? If you would be....then
> you are all about the "party" atmosphere and not about learning the ways
> of witches. Powerful witches do not feel the need to put down
> other....powerful witches don't let their secrets out by showing anger
> which exposes weakness. Yes you're learning and you will continue to and I
> really hope you don't get swayed into the Buffy and Fantasy group because
> then your learning will slow down immeasureably I feel and you will be a
> person who dresses up the part of witch......like a nice little pastry
> with nothing substantial inside.
> With hopes for a kinder Nightwish to appear.
>
> Brenda
Another one for the great Brenda quotes? Nah, second rate. You CAN do
dumber. C'mon, Brenda, we all know you can. But, I think this is at
least an 8. Not the best I've seen, but the irony bar don't get any more
beaten and swollen than that...
"because then your learning will slow down immeasureably I feel and you
will be a person who dresses up the part of witch......like a nice
little pastry with nothing substantial inside."
- Brenda
But here's a couple of the best:
"When a person does this..who has been putting
down other faiths for the same behaviour....I call
into question his hypocrisy."
- Brenda
"I don't have a problem with varying opinions....when they are stated
*in my opinion..."
- Brenda
Have you seen Brenda say something dumber?
Then I am not surprised.
theoneflasehaddock
Brenda G. Kent wrote:
>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>
>> From: theoneflasehaddock <the1las...@netscape.com>
>> Reply to: [1] theoneflasehaddock
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:23:51 -0500
>> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
>> Newsgroups:
>> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> [3] alt.pagan,
>> [4] alt.witchcraft
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>> References:
>> [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>>
>>
> Brenda
> ps. not bad...you got me to look at a few of your posts! I must be in a
> good mood.
That's one interpretation. Whiny and too dumb to work a killfile is
another. Which is the truth? Well, that's fairly obvious to everyone
reading here...
Maleficent766
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
Three times they're Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just damned confounded by
this massive arrogance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked
for
> >>>>help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed
a
> >>>>newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
> >>>>witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
> >>>>
> >>>>Brenda
> >>>
> >>>Maybe she read your posts?
> >>
> >>
> >> ****you would'nt see it from my posts..however you might be swayed by
the
> >> propaganda of Jani.
> >>
> >> Brenda
> >
> >Propaganda. Of course, that's what it is. It's everyone else spreading
> >that propaganda again.
> >
> >--
> >theoneflasehaddock
The propaganda of JANI???? *hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!*
You're one to talk about PROPAGANDA Brenda. *sheesh*
>
>
> ***it's a few who spew....not everyone else. There are those who
> shreik
What's a 'shreik'? Disney character? *fuuuuuck*
>...those that can't understand..don't want to admit they can't
> understand and so get angry and spew (cuz it looks cooler)
You think it looks Cooler? What an egotist you are. We Do understand you, it
ain't that hard. You have the depth of a rain puddle Brenda.
>... and those that
> assume from propaganda that I am a shit disturber
Your Purpose is to 'raven', to disturb and stir shit. You've said so often
enough.
>.......so instead of actually
> trying to understand and giving me the benefit of the doubt they more
> easily jump on the band wagon.
You've been given the benefit of the doubt so often that my fingers are
hoarse! All that's left is doubt, with a capital "D".
> It's the same atmosphere you find on the
> fundie Christians newsgroups too. Take one of these out and replace with
> the other and you have the same people really. The majority of those out
> there however are nice, kind,wise witches and other pagan folk they just
> don't post as much is all.
Listen pseudo- Christian. You cannot put down your Christian buddies and
Pagans all in the same breath. What's it gonna be now? We're all just mean
to you for kicks? We're just sick of your judgemental and condescending
attitudes. Your One-wayism. Your cultural theft, your lies. Your ego from
HELL!! Satan called, he wants his EGO BACK!!! He says to clean it up before
you return it. You damn well better listen!!
>
> Brenda
> ps. not bad...you got me to look at a few of your posts! I must be in a
> good mood.
La-de-da.........you read Everything you liar. ;p The reason you are so
reviled by so many is that you deserve it. You can't go into any group and
get along, can you? Nobody wants you Brenda. Get help. Get help Now!! Call
Pashta Quick!!!!!
Maleficent 766
Howl for Hecate!
Maleficent766
I'm sure there's Lots of people that'd love to play this game!! *mwhahahaha*
Maleficent 766
t_naismith
"Nightwish" recommended:
> >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
> >
> ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
> help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up?
When were you planning on "helping" the *poor newbie*, Blenda? After
she acknowledged your awesome powers of ... what was that again? Oh yeah,
being a condescending egotist, that's it.
>**** If you are indeed a
> newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
> witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>
Fourteen years and you still haven't learned the most basic concepts of
the occult; let alone any herbology. Let someone answer who actually can.
Hel, I don't know herbs as well as I should and so I refrain and defer to
those who do. There are some who post here who may see the question and
choose to answer. You aren't one of them.
Trevor (Eye of Falcon Upon You) N.
> Blenda
t_naismith
bill you for the time wasted, slimeball]:
"Nightwish" wrote:
> >> >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
> >> >
> >> ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
> >> help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
> >> newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
> >> witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
> >>
> >> Brenda
> >
> >That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
>
> ***and what brings that to your thinking? the schoolyard gang?
She's stated more than once that she'll make up her own mind about you,
based upon your own "propaganda" posts, Blenda. Who's trying to sway who
now?
> *** If you were really looking to learn....and you were being sidetracked
and
> fooled into believing lies by others because it was the cool thing to
> do...
I don't think she's fooled at all by your lies, Blenda but, that's just
my best guess at this point.
> ...and you just found out later that you let a great chance to learn
> pass you by....would you really be happy about it?
Learn from who, you? Bwahahahahahahaha. Since she's making up her
own mind about you, chances are you'll be unhappy about that and pigeon-hole
her replies to you as "school-yarding".
> If you would be....then
> you are all about the "party" atmosphere and not about learning the ways
> of witches.
Blenda hasn't the slightest clue about the "ways of witches" save for
her mundane view from the outside.
> Powerful witches do not feel the need to put down
> other....powerful witches don't let their secrets out by showing anger
> which exposes weakness.
"Powerful witches" do all sorts of things that Blenda is totally unaware
of. Those witches like it that way and there are valid reasons for this.
> Yes you're learning and you will continue to and I
> really hope you don't get swayed into the Buffy and Fantasy group
Is that the name of your Canadian cult, Blenda? The Buffy and Fantasy
group ... What happened to the Quaker-Cornish-xtian-Faery-Fam
Trad-CherokeePrincess blended _path_ you were on? Too many roadsigns to
follow?
>... because
> then your learning will slow down immeasureably I feel and you will be a
> person who dresses up the part of witch......like a nice little pastry
> with nothing substantial inside.
That's a rare admission of your own superficial self, Blenda. See?
That wasn't so hard, taking that first step along the road of honesty.
Uh-oh! There's a pebble on the road! Quickly now, lie it away!!
> With hopes for a kinder Nightwish to appear.
>
... With forlorn hopes that Blenda will leave off the false
condescension ...
> Blenda
t_naismith
> ***it's a few who spew....not everyone else.
You mean those who oppose your crap by refuting it whenever you spew it?
Those bastards!
> There are those who
> shreik...those that can't understand..don't want to admit they can't
> understand
I know of beginning students with a greater understanding of what you
have the mere pretense of shovelling out. Beyond that, your routine isn't
that complicated, Blenda. Several posters have outlined what it is, despite
your rampant denials.
> and so get angry and spew (cuz it looks cooler)
Again, you mistake contempt for anger but, that's alright. It is okay
to be a little angry with someone who never seems to catch on, after many
months or years. I'm starting to wonder whether you are intentionally this
dim or if it is an in-born talent of yours.
> and those that
> assume from propaganda that I am a shit disturber so instead of actually
> trying to understand and giving me the benefit of the doubt they more
> easily jump on the band wagon.
There is no bandwagon, there are only individuals who have their own
separate viewpoints. You play the martyr as poorly as the _teacher_,
Blenda. Your dilemma seems to be getting a new act or learning how to act.
> It's the same atmosphere you find on the
> fundie Christians newsgroups too. Take one of these out and replace with
> the other and you have the same people really.
There you go, pigeon-holing people so that your limited thoughts can
dimly perceive shadows. What sort of "pagan fundamentalism" is it which
your are equating with christian fundmentalism here? There are no beliefs
without believers and yours is one-wayism consisting of cultural thievery,
veiled in lies. Looks like a cult from here.
> The majority of those out
> there however are nice, kind,wise witches and other pagan folk they just
> don't post as much is all.
>
That's an easy lie of yours to dismiss. There are plenty of "... nice,
kind,wise witches and other pagan folk ..." posting here - you just don't
like them. Not liking them because they aren't nice to you doesn't mean
they don't post much or exist, Blenda.
Now, go get Pashta to reply for you since you are incapable of it.
There's a good messenger-girl. <-- sarcastic condescension
Trevor (Falcon's Talon) N.
> Blenda
Jani
further lies you've been spouting since she's been here.
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Maleficent766"
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:08:48 -0800
> Organization: SilverPentagram.org
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>> > >
>> > > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> > >
>> > > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
>> > > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> > > Newsgroups:
>> > > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> > > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> > > References:
>> > > [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>> > >
>> > >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>> > >
>> > ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
>> > help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up?
>
>showing off your ignorance Again by throwing a question back at her. Your
>problem is that you have no clue *how* to ask a question or give advice.
>
****Nope. I asked her to ask herself this question to help. Yes I could
have given a link or two..but better to first ask this question.
>To quote Brenda:
>"Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
>qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens."
>
>That's a snotty way to answer her. You've had this *problem* all along and
>you just won't admit you can't talk to ppl, can you? Hence, you get a "Shut
>up Brenda, just shut up!"
>
****How is that snotty? I feel (my feelings) that the way you (everyone)
perceive of the herbs and qualities says a lot about how you use it and
what happens (in other words..how you see pepper or sage affects its power
for instance).
>Does how you "perceive" a poisonous plant make it any less poisonous?
>
***Not talking about it's physical properties..I am talking of spiritual
properties obviously.
>> > If you are indeed a
>> > newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
>> > witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>> >
>> > Brenda
>>
>> That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
>
>There's no question about her 'credibility' any more. She has none.
>
>kw
>>
******and you saying it does what to me?
I am not into personalities...I listen to the info and see if it makes
sense to me...then I either use it or not..however why anyone NEEDs to say
"shut up..just shut up" shows a huge lack of manners and upbringing I
would reckon and a vision of themselves as an island.
I.M.O
Brenda
ps. IN other words...you don't understand so instead of trying to converse
with politeness and caring..you spew or insult or flame.
Brenda G. Kent
insult against me...
I must be psychic....sigh.
Brenda
Bobkins
> responding to it without even reading it..I know that it will include an
> insult against me...
> I must be psychic....sigh.
Responding to what?
Nightwish
"Jani" <ja...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Nightwish
So now you're deciding on the best way for me to learn something? Kiss my
ass, Brenda.
>
>
>
> >To quote Brenda:
> >"Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
> >qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens."
> >
> >That's a snotty way to answer her. You've had this *problem* all along
and
> >you just won't admit you can't talk to ppl, can you? Hence, you get a
"Shut
> >up Brenda, just shut up!"
> >
>
> ****How is that snotty? I feel (my feelings) that the way you (everyone)
> perceive of the herbs and qualities says a lot about how you use it and
> what happens (in other words..how you see pepper or sage affects its power
> for instance).
See: "Does how you 'perceive' a poisonous plant make it any less poisonous?'
>
>
> >Does how you "perceive" a poisonous plant make it any less poisonous?
> >
>
> ***Not talking about it's physical properties..I am talking of spiritual
> properties obviously.
A rose by any other name..., Brenda. You can try to will the spiritual
properties of plants to be something different, but I'm damn sure that
simply using plants that are actually KNOWN for certain properties would not
only save time, but also be more effective.
>
>
> >> > If you are indeed a
> >> > newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell
a
> >> > witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
> >> >
> >> > Brenda
> >>
> >> That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
> >
> >There's no question about her 'credibility' any more. She has none.
> >
> >kw
> >>
> ******and you saying it does what to me?
Nothing since you apparently can't understand normal thinking.
> I am not into personalities...
Because yours sucks so badly?
>I listen to the info and see if it makes
> sense to me...then I either use it or not..however why anyone NEEDs to say
> "shut up..just shut up" shows a huge lack of manners and upbringing
And now you're insulting my mother! That's going too far, Brenda, even for
you. What in GODS' names do you know about how I was brought up?! And what
exactly do you know about my mother that would merrit you discrediting her
in such a way?! You are UN-FUCKING-BELIEVEABLE, Brenda.
> I
> would reckon and a vision of themselves as an island.
>
> I.M.O
> Brenda
> ps. IN other words...you don't understand so instead of trying to converse
> with politeness and caring..you spew or insult or flame.
We all understand perfectly, Brenda, and that's what bothers you.
Maleficent766
She really appreciated it too, didn't she? You ever wonder why new people in
your life respond to you this way? It Can't just be on Usenet, you Have Got
to have a lonesome, sorry life being the way you are.
>
>
>
> >To quote Brenda:
> >"Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
> >qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens."
> >
> >That's a snotty way to answer her. You've had this *problem* all along
and
> >you just won't admit you can't talk to ppl, can you? Hence, you get a
"Shut
> >up Brenda, just shut up!"
> >
>
> ****How is that snotty? I feel (my feelings) that the way you (everyone)
> perceive of the herbs and qualities says a lot about how you use it and
> what happens (in other words..how you see pepper or sage affects its power
> for instance).
The way you phrased it and using the capitals to denote 'you', were very
rude. Learn this lesson for next time Brenda.
>
>
> >Does how you "perceive" a poisonous plant make it any less poisonous?
> >
>
> ***Not talking about it's physical properties..I am talking of spiritual
> properties obviously.
You go sit in stinging nettles and try to think of spiritual things Brenda.
There's a lot more to consider than just the 'spiritual qualities' of herbs
and plants. In fact, the physical and spiritual go hand in hand. A little
digitalis can be good, but too much can kill. Please don't be hesitant about
answering herbal questions, you could be endangering someone's life, you
never know. I say this in all seriousness Brenda. You answered the question
'with' a question.
>
>
> >> > If you are indeed a
> >> > newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell
a
> >> > witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
> >> >
> >> > Brenda
> >>
> >> That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
> >
> >There's no question about her 'credibility' any more. She has none.
> >
> >kw
> >>
> ******and you saying it does what to me?
You try to make *pompous points*. You've earned around ten more with me
tonight.
> I am not into personalities...I listen to the info and see if it makes
> sense to me...then I either use it or not..
You aren't into personalities? Then why did you try and fail to mess around
with Jani's 'fate'? No truly 'good witch' or ethical witch, would do such a
thing.
> however why anyone NEEDs to say
> "shut up..just shut up" shows a huge lack of manners and upbringing I
> would reckon
You reckon eh? Well Brenda, what you see isn't always what others see. I and
others see you as being consistantly rude or disingenuously courteous. I
suppose it must be due to your 'upbringing' as you said to Nightwish.
> and a vision of themselves as an island.
You envision *yourself* as an island of self-righteousness. We don't
appreciate that, no one does.
>
> O.M.A.
> Brenda
> ps. IN other words...you don't understand so instead of trying to converse
> with politeness and caring..you spew or insult or flame.
Here's your 'conversation' Brenda. This is as polite as you can expect. I do
understand, and am starting to view you as ill or pathetic instead of the
intentionally vicious bitch I used to think you were. If you consider this a
flame instead of an attempt to explain, then sue me.
kate ARWTPP
THE Cast Iron Bitch
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
want to be slapped, you shoulda kept your mouth shut.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
armadillofluffnuts
> I posted this on atw, but I'm not sure many people saw it, so I thought I'd
> up the chances of getting a reply by doing a little cross-posting...
>
> I must admit, I'm a novice in the area of witchcraft, and have many
> questions. I've never claimed to have knowledge superior to others in this
> field. (I just want to make that clear, so people don't misunderstand. I'm
> not picking a fight or anything!) Anyway, the subject of herbs is of
> spells. I've been researching various web sites on herbal correspondences
> lately and have found several to have quite comprehensive lists, however, I
> recently came upon a site which lists properties of herbal blends. This
> sparked a question in my mind. (I'm not quite sure how to phrase this the
> right way, so I hope people can understand what I'm trying to ask.) Say for
> instance I'm trying to write a spell for... protection. So, I go to one of
> the pages I've found which list herb correspondences... and find an herb
> known for its protective qualities. Now, say I want to make this spell more
> specific. I want to protect my home from negative energy. So I go to that
> same list and find another herb known for its ability to banish negative
> energy. Now, if in the context of the spell, I were to combine these two
> herbs, would it alter their known individual properties? That is the
> question the site based on properties of herbal blends has raised. I would
> appreciate serious responses to this question and I look forward to hearing
> what people have to say. I would to say ahead of time, that I appreciate any
> time anyone puts into their response to my question. Thanks!
>
> ~Nightwish
This thread sure didn't mention herbs in many posts.
Anyways, what herbs are you asking about, Nightwish? The combination
might change them, depending on what they are.
Also, be careful if the ritual calls for eating the herbs. Many herbs
taste bitter, or have thorns, and they aren't fun to eat.
Nightwish
"armadillofluffnuts" <armadillo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Basil and Chinese Anise. And it's for a spell I'm trying to write myself.
(My first, actually.) I'm trying to write a spell to protect the house I
live in and it's inhabitants from negative energy. And you're right, a lot
of replies to this were irrelevant, thanks to Brenda. Oh well.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Bobkins"
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:26:02 -0500
> Organization: Bell Sympatico
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>> responding to it without even reading it..I know that it will include an
>> insult against me...
>> I must be psychic....sigh.
>
>Responding to what?
**Calibans post.
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:39:20 GMT
> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [7] <a1657ac3.03022...@posting.google.com>>[8] news:a1657ac3.03022...@posting.google.com...>[9] news:<_Nr6a.469$1i1.2...@kent.svc.tds.net>...
****How do you know that Basil and Chinese Anise are protective?
I personally sage it....(because I feel that sage is cleansing)then use
tibetan singing bowls or if you don't have that....tapping crystal glass
all over your house to raise the vibration (why? because I feel that it
works)and then I just raise a protective wall around my place (mentally).
It works. A lot of replies to this were irrelevent, thanks to those that
replied irrelevently. No one forces a person to flame...take
responsibility for each of us.
Blessings and you're welcome Nightwish.
Brenda
True
clue what you are talking about.
--
darkness, laughter and light,
True
"If guns are outlawed can we use swords instead?"
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Brenda G. Kent
every full moon top it off to keep it continually protective to its
fullest ability. Don't make a mistake of building the wall before you
first cleanse the insides however.
hope that helps.
Brenda
catherine yronwode
> >> > [...] the subject of herbs is of particular
> >> > interest to me, especially in the context of writing my
> >> > own spells. I've been researching various web sites on herbal
> >> > correspondences lately and have found several to have quite
> >> > comprehensive lists [...]Say for instance I'm trying to write a
> >> > spell for... protection. So, I go to one of the pages I've found
> >> > which list herb correspondences... and find an herb known for
> >> > its protective qualities. Now, say I want to make this spell more
> >> > specific. I want to protect my home from negative energy. So I go to
> >> > that same list and find another herb known for its ability to banish
> >> > negative energy. Now, if in the context of the spell, I were to
> >> > combine these two herbs, would it alter their known individual
> >> > properties?
In my experience, blending herbs that have different ascribed magical
properties is commonly done to create new recipes for use in
spell-work, and in some cases the blending does seem to alter the
qualities of the herbs in those mixtures. However, before taking that
as an unconditional "yes" answer (which it is not), also be aware of
three further factors:
1) Magical properties of herbs do vary by culture sometimes, so what
you see on one site may not be mentioned at another site. Examples:
Ginseng: Asian = male vigour; African-American: gambling luck
Yarrow: European = courage and wound-healing; Chinese: divination
Yellow Dock Root: African-American = money; Iroquois = love-doll
2) Magical properties of some herbs contain their own opposites, most
notably herbs used both to banish/curse and protect/unjinx. In these
cases, often the WAY the herb is used factors into the kind of spell
it appears in. Example:
Vandal Root: can be used to jinx, to protect, and for coercive love
3) Some herb sites on the web are not reliable, just as some books are
not reliable. If authenticity of magical ascriptions is important to
you, check and compare several sources. When evaluating sources, if
you have doubts, you can try a few work-arounds like giving
preference to sources that also list the taxonomic (Latin) name of the
herbs and/or giving preference to sites that list a bibliography of
sources, because these two factors imply a basic level of research on
the part of the author. This is not to say that an illiterate
herbalist will not have great knowledge -- but web authors, by their
very nature, are not illiterate, so they can be tentatively evaluated
by the usual standards for scholarship.
"Brenda G. Kent" wrote:
> >> [...] what herbs are you asking about, Nightwish? The combination
> >> might change them, depending on what they are.
> >> Also, be careful if the ritual calls for eating the herbs. Many herbs
> >> taste bitter, or have thorns, and they aren't fun to eat.
"Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net> wrote:
> > Basil and Chinese Anise. And it's for a spell I'm trying to write
> > myself.(My first, actually.) I'm trying to write a spell to protect the
> > house I live in and its inhabitants from negative energy.
"Brenda G. Kent" wrote:
> How do you know that Basil and Chinese Anise are protective?
Basil has a long history in Europe of protection with respect to the
family home. It is not generally used to protect a business. In India
it is also considered productive of family and marital happiness. The
saying "Evil cannot come where Basil has been" can be found in old
European herb books and has transferred into the African-American
community in the use of dried basil in floor-sweeps (sprinkle on the
floor, sweep out the door) and as an ingredient in herb-teas brewed
for use as a floor wash (often with the addition of Rosemary and Rue).
> I personally sage it....(because I feel that sage is cleansing) then use
> tibetan singing bowls or if you don't have that....tapping crystal glass
> all over your house to raise the vibration (why? because I feel that it
> works) and then I just raise a protective wall around my place
> (mentally).
Sage is quite good for cleansing. As Brenda noted, there is a
difference between cleansing a house (e.g. with Sage), protecting it,
and reversing or returning curses and jinxes already sent.
I personally do the first two, with the third optional if i believe i
am under attack. I do them in the same order that Brenda described:
First clean the house out, then protect it else the evil will be
trapped inside, then (optionally) reverse all future incoming evil to
its sender.
Other herbs i use for cleansing: Lemon Grass, Camphor (in the form of
squares of resin crumbled burned as incense on charcoal), etc.
Other herbs i use for protection: Red pepper, Salt (not an herb per
se, but used as such in the hoodoo tradition), Black Pepper, Camphor
(in the form of whole squares of resin placed in the corners of a room
or building), Anise, Boldo, Devil Pod (Bat Nut), Devil's Shoe Strings,
etc.
Herbs i use to reverse, return, or send back evil: Agrimony,
Eucalyptus, Devil Pod (Bat Nut), Devil's Shoe Strings, etc. The use
of mirrors for reversing incoming attacks is also common, both in
Chinese feng shui and in African-American hoodoo.
Here are two web pages that may be of interest to you as you research herbs:
hoodoo herb and root magic:
http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodooherbmagic.html
-- This is a link to information about a book on herb magic that i
have written. The book is for sale, and this is a commercial page, but
on the page there are also 6 complete sample entries (out of 500 in
the book) to read for free.
hoodoo at a glance (herb list)
http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodooataglance.html
-- This is a web page that was compiled and given to my herb store as
a gift by one of our customers. It lists many common herbs, minerals,
and formulas for oils that we sell in the shop, with ascriptions for
use, but you need not purchase the herbs from us to use the page. The
list is not complete, but it gives a good overview of about 100 herbs,
sorted by condition (e.g. love, money, protection, etc.).
FLAME ALERT: This post was made in serious reply to two posters who
are known to engage in flame wars. Replies posted to this message from
these and other trolls in arw, aw, and ap may be vicious and
off-topic. This post is my first test of a new kill-file i am working
on, to see if it can be enjoyable for me to post substantively to arw
and other pagan newsgroups. See the alt.religion.wicca troll roster at
http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altreligionwiccatrolls.html
for details. Flames will not be seen by me, so don't bother.
Cordially,
cat yronwode
theoneflasehaddock
Personally, I use nettles for protection. The really nasty stinging ones
(which can also be used for s&m, but that is another subject entirely).
Hawthorns are really good also. (I will probably try a more permanent
protection spell this spring, involvong growing a hawthorn as bonsai,
but I don't know yet if it will work...)
I've never seen sage as a protective plant. I can sort of see how it
would be cleansing, but not protective. Cleansing and protective,
despite your limited vocabulary, Brenda, don't mean the same thing.
I have no experience with basil or Chinese anise, so I don't know if
they'd work (though I am not saying they won't, just that I don't know
much about them).
Hope Munro Smith
theoneflasehaddock <the1las...@netscape.com> wrote:
Sage is cleansing from what I've read, especially to cleanse
bad luck out of your house.
t_naismith
>
> [ ... ]
>
> FLAME ALERT: This post was made in serious reply to two posters who
> are known to engage in flame wars. Replies posted to this message from
> these and other trolls in arw, aw, and ap may be vicious and
> off-topic.
Thank you for taking the time to self-censor what you read. Curiously,
these attempts at moderating unmoderated forums are doomed from the start.
Can you guess why?
> This post is my first test of a new kill-file i am working
> on, to see if it can be enjoyable for me to post substantively to arw
> and other pagan newsgroups.
It would be easier for you to simply not reply but, seeing as how I'm on
your little filter list, (along with 98% of the regular posters), that
realization may be somewhat delayed.
> See the alt.religion.wicca troll roster at
> http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altreligionwiccatrolls.html
> for details. Flames will not be seen by me, so don't bother.
>
Darn! You mean that the Usenet revolves around you? I thought it was
%#$@*&%?
> Cordially,
>
Cordially? Bwahahaha ... oh stop, yer kill[filing] us.
> cat yronwode
cat who?
Trevor
BTW, what is the source of the personal information listed on your
surveillance list? Are you employed by Usenet Homeland Security?
Nightwish
I didn't find that helpful, and I didn't thank you. Shut up, Brenda.
>
> Brenda
Nightwish
doesn't help. You shouldn't assume that other people are as completely
clueless as you.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:3e5b...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
Brenda G. Kent
had extremely good effects putting mirrored pieces
onto the outside of my home.
Blessings
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] Hope Munro Smith
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:14:10 GMT
> Organization: Road Runner - Texas
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [7] <3E5BE6B1...@netscape.com>
>
>>
>> Personally, I use nettles for protection. The really nasty stinging ones
>> (which can also be used for s&m, but that is another subject entirely).
>> Hawthorns are really good also. (I will probably try a more permanent
>> protection spell this spring, involvong growing a hawthorn as bonsai,
>> but I don't know yet if it will work...)
>>
>> I've never seen sage as a protective plant. I can sort of see how it
>> would be cleansing, but not protective. Cleansing and protective,
>> despite your limited vocabulary, Brenda, don't mean the same thing.
>>
***Yes I know this Hope...no need to be snotty concerning the limited
vocab. *I* and a few of my friends see it being protective AND cleansing.
I meditated on Sage and she told me that she will protect electrical
equipment from discarnate entities fiddling around with lights,radios etc.
This is why I believe that you do not
just read a book and take the info without giving some thought as to "why"
these things might do what they do and then test them out before hand to
verify if they do as you have been told.
>Sage is cleansing
from what I've read, especially to cleanse >bad luck out of your house.
***yes many do believe in this...I do only after test and meditation. I
also don't believe in bad luck...believing that it is your belief in it
that causes it to have its effect.
Blessings and I hope we can continue chatting without need for snotty
comments.
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:56:00 GMT
> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5b...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
>> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:39:20 GMT
>> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> > References:
>> > [7] <a1657ac3.03022...@posting.google.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >"armadillofluffnuts" <armadillo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
***you did'nt find THAT helpful? goodness. Why are you trying to wreck
this thread Nightwish?
and you're welcome. No I won't shut up..you asked people for help...and I
am a people.
Brenda
ps. if you want more personalized teaching or what-have-you..you can
always email me personally.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:57:56 GMT
> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5b...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>doesn't help. You shouldn't assume that other people are as completely
>clueless as you.
>
***actually you asked about spells for protection of your home. I gave you
protective advice. I don't assume..however...you asked.
Please stop the insults.
Blessings
Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
Brenda, if you were smart enough to understand how to read the headers,
you'd notice that I'd said that, not Hope. She didn't insult you at all.
WHat is the point of the stupid headers if you can't understand them?
Anyway, I sort of figured you had just opened a book and heard sage was
protective. I'm sorry if it was the voices in your head, and not just
some irresponsible source that wouldn't know.
Ramona
in the comparision of the cultural differences in the correspondences
of the same herbs............
<snipped much interesting info in the interest of bandwidth>
Ramona
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] theoneflasehaddock
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:56:51 -0500
> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
****Actually it was at the bottom of the post and Hopes name was at the
top. Now I did not know that she top-posted. My apologies Hope. For the
most part anyone posting usually posts at the bottom.....again sorry...
one of those days.
>Anyway, I sort of figured you had just opened a book and heard sage was
>protective. I'm sorry if it was the voices in your head, and not just
>some irresponsible source that wouldn't know.
>
****actually no...now that you cleared it up I see it was you that just
opened a book. You don't believe that people can meditate to get answers?
interesting.
Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
It wasn't at the bottom. You snipped the bottom. That was where Hope's
post was.
>
>
>
>
>>Anyway, I sort of figured you had just opened a book and heard sage was
>>protective. I'm sorry if it was the voices in your head, and not just
>>some irresponsible source that wouldn't know.
>>
>
>
> ****actually no...now that you cleared it up I see it was you that just
> opened a book. You don't believe that people can meditate to get answers?
> interesting.
>
So, when you meditate, what are the voices in your head saying, besides
which herb to use?
Brenda G. Kent
***this is what was at the bottom
>>>>>>I've never seen sage as a protective plant. I can sort of see how it
>>>>>>would be cleansing, but not protective. Cleansing and protective,
>>>>>>despite your limited vocabulary, Brenda, don't mean the same thing.
>
>>>> >Sage is cleansing
>>>>from what I've read, especially to cleanse >bad luck out of your
house.
***there was nothing past this.
That is what I responded to and I thought it was Hopes.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Anyway, I sort of figured you had just opened a book and heard sage was
>>>protective. I'm sorry if it was the voices in your head, and not just
>>>some irresponsible source that wouldn't know.
>>>
>>
>>
>> ****actually no...now that you cleared it up I see it was you that just
>> opened a book. You don't believe that people can meditate to get answers?
>> interesting.
>>
>
>So, when you meditate, what are the voices in your head saying, besides
>which herb to use?
>
***the wolf takes me journeying...other beings speak there...I have
conversations with my dad. I also get most of my nudges whether to go
forward on a task or not.
Glad you wanted to know.
>
>--
>theoneflasehaddock
Brenda
Jani
burbled on about some patchwork ptotection ritual, and nowhere did you
actually answer her question. I expect that's why she told you to shut up.
Jani
.
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Jani"
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:13:10 GMT
> Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>
>She asked a specific question about the properties of combined herbs. You
>burbled on about some patchwork ptotection ritual, and nowhere did you
>actually answer her question. I expect that's why she told you to shut up.
>
>Jani
**she said she was doing a protection spell and needed help with herbs. I
gave her some info about protection spells. Whether or not it was what she
wanted to hear it hardly merits a "shut up". That was incredibly rude. She
could have said "thanks Brenda but I really am more interested in the
properties of combined herbs". Saying "shut up" are words befitting a
troll..not someone interesting in magick and learning.
It is not really that hard to be kind...neither is it weak.
If someone hears someone ask for help and you give what you consider help
to someone whether or not it is the exact help....should you expect
someone to say "shut up" to you?
Brenda
Jani
> >She asked a specific question about the properties of combined herbs. You
> >burbled on about some patchwork ptotection ritual, and nowhere did you
> >actually answer her question. I expect that's why she told you to shut
up.
> >
> >Jani
>
> **she said she was doing a protection spell and needed help with herbs. I
> gave her some info about protection spells.
No, she asked specifically about combining herbs, the protection spell being
an example to set it in context.
Whether or not it was what she
> wanted to hear it hardly merits a "shut up". That was incredibly rude. She
> could have said "thanks Brenda but I really am more interested in the
> properties of combined herbs".
Yes, she could have repeated herself since you hadn't read her post properly
the first time. Maybe she didn't feel like explaining it half a dozen times
until you grasped what she was actually saying.
Saying "shut up" are words befitting a
> troll..not someone interesting in magick and learning.
She's obviously interested in magic and learning, which is why she doesn't
want your misinformation.
> It is not really that hard to be kind...neither is it weak.
> If someone hears someone ask for help and you give what you consider help
> to someone whether or not it is the exact help....should you expect
> someone to say "shut up" to you?
If I ask for ABC and some moron totally ignores it and presents me with XYZ,
then "shut up" would be the least of it.
Jani
Jani
expecting these mystery voices to take the consequences of that? Stupid
slitch.
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
Gargoyle
cunt oozes out slime that transforms itself into idiotic sentences on her
monitor. hehehe
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT, "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net> wrote:
>Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>
>"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>news:3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> I would answer that with another question....
>> why do you think or believe that one herb has protective qualities and
>> another not?
>> Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
>> qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens.
>>
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>
Gargoyle - >;)_~~~~~
If you want to see the true Face of Evil...
then look for the Face of God.
Gargoyle
>
>"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>news:3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
>> > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
>> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> > Newsgroups:
>> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> > References:
>> > [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>> >
>> >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>> >
>> ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
>> help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
>> newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
>> witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>>
>> Brenda
>
>That's laughable, Brenda. Your credibility is seriously under question.
Don't be silly, my dear. Bwenduh's credibility has never been questioned as
it has never risen above idiot level. As to her being "under" .... well,
the only thing she is under is the long line of drunks she services in the
back alley of the ho-bar. hehehe
Gargoyle
permamently flaccid as renfield is, you could have a dick the size of a
horse and it does you no good. In short, except for looks, it's
meaningless. It has no real function other than that of displaying a rather
large but permanently flaccid cock. In the same way, you could be a "witch"
of 14 years but that doesn't mean shit if you have no power, no talent, no
real knowledge, and no real understanding. And, I ain't talking book
learnin' crap, either. In short, you don't mean shit when you claim to be
a witch. Got it, now? Good. Class is dismissed. If you hurry it up, you'll
be able to catch your first trick at the ho-bar. hehehehehe
On 24 Feb 2003 17:00:06 -0800, wt...@victoria.tc.ca (Brenda G. Kent) wrote:
>>
>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>
>> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
>> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> Newsgroups:
>> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> [3] alt.pagan,
>> [4] alt.witchcraft
>> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> References:
>> [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>>
>>Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>>
>****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
>help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
>newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
>witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>
>Brenda
Gargoyle
wrote:
>
>"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>news:3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
>> > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:36:56 GMT
>> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> > Newsgroups:
>> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> > References:
>> > [6] <3e5a...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>> >
>> >Shut up, Brenda. Just shut up.
>> >
>> ****why are you after me now? I was giving you some help? You asked for
>> help and I gave some...then you tell me to shut up? If you are indeed a
>> newbie at all this I'd wonder at why you ask questions and then tell a
>> witch who had been at it for 14 years to shut up?
>>
>> Brenda
>
>Ahhh gads.......here we go again. No one seems to want your snotty input
>Brenda. Why _can't_ you just shut up once in awhile? It'd do us all good!!
>You don't help, you don't teach, you're just a slow learner. You'd wonder
>where dirt came from if you didn't have someone to tell you.
>Gawds. How dare you presume that this is actually a *newbie* you're trying
>to 'teach'? Hm? Maybe it's someone else that's just here to be Mean to lil
>ol' you? Could be ya know. You must be famous by now!
>You lie about being a witch, maybe she's 'ravening' you Brenda!!!! *haha*
>Seriously, she's probably seen you make a fool of yourself already and she's
>sick of hearing about all your supposed 'knowledge'.
>You're so damned presumptuous. Why don't you go someplace where you're
>appreciated?
>Is there such a place by now?
Yeah..... the back alley of the ho-bar. hehehe
t_naismith
> Thanks catherine..I agree with most of what you have written.
Good. That makes you an idiot.
> I have also
> had extremely good effects putting mirrored pieces
> onto the outside of my home.
>
Try turning the mirrors the other way - for all the good it will do
someone without magic, such as yourself.
How can you keep pretending to be a _teacher_ when you cannot even
pretend to learn, Blenda?
>
Trevor (Falcon-eyed)
> Blenda
THE Cast Iron Bitch
"catherine the thieving cunt yronwode" <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote in message
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THE Cast Iron Bitch
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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Nightwish
because you can be damn sure I won't thank you for anything, except perhaps
showing me the true depths to which human stupidity can sink.
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Nightwish
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Nightwish
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theoneflasehaddock
Brenda G. Kent wrote:
>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>
>> From: theoneflasehaddock <the1las...@netscape.com>
>> Reply to: [1] theoneflasehaddock
>>
>>
>>Brenda, if you were smart enough to understand how to read the headers,
>>you'd notice that I'd said that, not Hope. She didn't insult you at all.
>> WHat is the point of the stupid headers if you can't understand them?
>>
>
>
> ****Actually it was at the bottom of the post and Hopes name was at the
> top. Now I did not know that she top-posted. My apologies Hope. For the
> most part anyone posting usually posts at the bottom.....again sorry...
> one of those days.
No, her post was at the bottom. You snipped it off.
>
>
>
>>Anyway, I sort of figured you had just opened a book and heard sage was
>>protective. I'm sorry if it was the voices in your head, and not just
>>some irresponsible source that wouldn't know.
>>
>
>
> ****actually no...now that you cleared it up I see it was you that just
> opened a book. You don't believe that people can meditate to get answers?
> interesting.
You mean, there are no sources of information other than books, and the
voices in your head, where I could have gotten this information?
Relayer
If anyone is still interested in the original question...
Personally, when I am constructing a ritual, I will narrow in on a
particular intent, and try to be as specific as possible about what I
want to achieve (though not specific on how it should manifest, if you
get the distinction). To use your example, I would either perform a
protection ritual and set wards on the house, or perform a modified
banishing ritual (begone, and stay gone). Yes, there have been times
when I have made a herbal mix for a specific purpose... when combining
them in a ritual, I would name the virtue I wished to utilize as I
empower it ("here is Chamomile, for restfulness" or whatever). Pre-made
herbal blends... I'll pass, thanks. I like to know what is in the blend,
and exactly why it has been included. Not just a list of everything
under "Lust" in Cunningham's. I like to keep it simple, clear and
straightforward, and prefer to deal with the herbs individually at least
at one stage of the ritual.
As for the properties changing when you mix herbs... yes and no. IMHO
there will be some synthesis going on there, but if you are careful and
deliberate in your choices the virtues should be quite consonant. The
exception is in the use of incence. I find that with scents, a blend is
more (or less) than the sum of it's parts.
To be honest, I have only partly scanned through the rest of this
thread, but I didn't see much that actually adressed what you were
asking about, so I thought I'd throw this in to the mix <heh>
R.
Nightwish
"Relayer" <rel...@dreamtheater.zzn.com> wrote in message
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Brenda's inane yammering (as does just about everyone else, but that's
beside the point.) Anyway, I do know that I need to be specific in stating
my intent in the ritual, but not how I want it to manifest itself. As for
your suggestion to perform either a protection ritual or banishing ritual,
would it not be prudent to do both? I agree with you on pre-mixed blends. I
don't like them myself.
Last night I began writing a list of things I may need for the spell, and
jotting down my thoughts on different aspects of what I hope to achieve
(notes for righting the spoken word aspect of the spell) and actually
getting to the part where I finish a final draft of the spell, seemed very
daunting. There is a lot about spell writing and casting that I still have
to learn, and while I realize the only way to learn is through experience,
there's a small nagging part of me that asks, 'what if you fuck up?
ROYALLY?' And then I find myself wondering if I'm even going about things
the right way. There are so many web sites out there that give easy answers.
I don't want easy answers. I also don't want misinformation, so I don't put
much faith on what I read on a web site. What I need, is guidance, and
idiots like Brenda aside, I think the majority of people here have been very
helpful to me. (Thanks, guys =D) I'll probably be asking a lot more spell
writing-related questions in the near future, and some of those questions
might sound pretty dumb (especially to the more experienced), but I'm
learning as I go, and I'm trying my best. Try to bear with me, and know that
I appreciate any real help people give me. =)
~Nightwish
theoneflasehaddock
Nightwish wrote:
>
> Most of the thread is, in fact, irrelevant to the original question. I blame
> Brenda's inane yammering (as does just about everyone else, but that's
> beside the point.) Anyway, I do know that I need to be specific in stating
> my intent in the ritual, but not how I want it to manifest itself. As for
> your suggestion to perform either a protection ritual or banishing ritual,
> would it not be prudent to do both? I agree with you on pre-mixed blends. I
> don't like them myself.
>
> Last night I began writing a list of things I may need for the spell, and
> jotting down my thoughts on different aspects of what I hope to achieve
> (notes for righting the spoken word aspect of the spell) and actually
> getting to the part where I finish a final draft of the spell, seemed very
> daunting. There is a lot about spell writing and casting that I still have
> to learn, and while I realize the only way to learn is through experience,
> there's a small nagging part of me that asks, 'what if you fuck up?
> ROYALLY?' And then I find myself wondering if I'm even going about things
> the right way. There are so many web sites out there that give easy answers.
There is not one "right way". There are hundreds, even thousands, of
ways, of doing just about any spell. Remember, everyone starts
somewhere, and of course you will fuck up a few occasionally. If you're
afraid of fucking up, then start small, so that fuck ups won't cause too
many problems, and stick to spells that might have a short time frame.
Since you're trying a protection spell, limit it to a week or a month or
a few days, and see how it works.
> I don't want easy answers. I also don't want misinformation, so I don't put
> much faith on what I read on a web site.
> What I need, is guidance, and
> idiots like Brenda aside, I think the majority of people here have been very
> helpful to me. (Thanks, guys =D) I'll probably be asking a lot more spell
> writing-related questions in the near future, and some of those questions
> might sound pretty dumb (especially to the more experienced), but I'm
> learning as I go, and I'm trying my best. Try to bear with me, and know that
> I appreciate any real help people give me. =)
>
I like dumb spell questions. Gives me a chance to write dumb spells. And
remember, just because it's fucked up, doesn't neccesarily mean it's
wrong...
Nightwish
"theoneflasehaddock" <the1las...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Lol. Valid point. =)
Bobkins
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:26:48 -0600, "THE Cast Iron Bitch"
> <pis...@ecpi.com> wrote:
>
> >Beware the powder peddling spamwhores, for they are out to steal your
money.
>
> value of $26 no less) to her root working class? C'mon... I know ya
> wanna... hey, let's sit together and throw spit balls! }:)
>
> <runs off to rent Benji>
Hee hee! Now that was funny.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Jani"
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:20:07 GMT
> Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
****then you would make a horrendous teacher I'd suspect. Calling someone
a moron and then saying shut up does nothing more to enlighten someone it
only causes friction...ontop of that it shows an appalling lack of manners
and I'd wonder how this person was ever brought up with proper skills.
You still did not answer how you, yourself would react to someone saying
"shut up Jani".
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:34:08 GMT
> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5c...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>because you can be damn sure I won't thank you for anything, except perhaps
>showing me the true depths to which human stupidity can sink.
>
****Nightwish....go back on the threads and tell me why YOU started
calling me names before we had even exchanged conversation? Do you
normally start calling people down when you don't know them? Do you
normally follow the crowd without knowing who you are truly talking to? Do
you normally get swayed by popular opinion before forming your own? What
have I done to YOU that warrants your behaviour? Chances are you cannot
find anything and just jumped on the bandwagon with a few other
malcontents. I am people and you have no idea whatsoever...since you have
not met me and you don't even know me one whit....how intelligent or
stupid I am. You have only Jani and a few others to go on and that is all.
Now this is sad....it is called prejudice. You are pre-judging without
knowing me. How can you go on to accumulate real knowledge when you cannot
even wait to get to know someone? You are learning as you go on...and deep
down you ARE thankful for this learning..to whom ever teaches you..be they
a child,an adult,a sage or a fool.....even if that fool you know is
Brenda.
I wish you well.
Blessings
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
> Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:59:47 GMT
> Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [7] <8757a.269115$HN5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>>[8] news:8757a.269115$HN5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
>Brenda's inane yammering (as does just about everyone else, but that's
>beside the point.) Anyway, I do know that I need to be specific in stating
***if you had'nt insulted me by saying shut up it would have proceeded
along normal lines. Take responsibility for what you do.
Brenda
**snip
>might sound pretty dumb (especially to the more experienced), but I'm
>learning as I go, and I'm trying my best. Try to bear with me, and know that
>I appreciate any real help people give me. =)
>
***your best? calling people with more experience "idiots" is not trying
your best. Bear with you? I am bearing with you even though you insult
more experienced folk.
>~Nightwish
***Brenda
Nightwish
And how does your failure to shut up on MY thread contribute to my learning
experience, Brenda? If you've got a beef with how other people treat you,
get your own thread. I'm trying to learn here. Or, you could just SHUT UP.
That would work just as well.
>
>
> Brenda
theoneflasehaddock
Brenda G. Kent wrote:
>> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>>
>> From: "Jani" <ja...@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Reply to: [1] "Jani"
>> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:20:07 GMT
>>
>>If I ask for ABC and some moron totally ignores it and presents me with XYZ,
>>then "shut up" would be the least of it.
>>
>>Jani
>
>
> ****then you would make a horrendous teacher I'd suspect. Calling someone
> a moron and then saying shut up does nothing more to enlighten someone it
> only causes friction...ontop of that it shows an appalling lack of manners
> and I'd wonder how this person was ever brought up with proper skills.
> You still did not answer how you, yourself would react to someone saying
> "shut up Jani".
>
Yeah Jani. You shouldn't be rude to people you don't like. It's more
polite to be a whiny bitch instead.
BTW, Brenda, when your bible mentioned "turn the other cheek" it didn't
mean to promote being passive-aggressive. At least, I hope it didn't.
But I suppose, if it did, it's your problem, not mine...
Bobkins
> On 24 Feb 2003 10:23:17 -0800, wt...@victoria.tc.ca (Brenda G. Kent)
> wrote:
>
> (Taken from Nightwish's query about herbal properties)
>
> >I would answer that with another question....
>
>
> the information she asks for, or shut the fuck up? Do you EVER resist
> the urge to show how little you know?
Why? Since you clearly think she's a newbie, why not either give her
the information she asks for, or shut the fuck up? Do you EVER resist
the urge to show how little you know?
> >Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
> >qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens.
>
>
> Are you trying to say that some herbs have similar properties thus how
> one "intends" to use them is also very important? I might actually
> agree with something along those lines, but why can't you just say
> that and give her information? Why the preaching? Oh ya, cause yer
> Brenda, that's right.
Are you trying to say that some herbs have similar properties thus how
one "intends" to use them is also very important? I might actually
agree with something along those lines, but why can't you just say
that and give her information? Why the preaching? Oh ya, cause yer
Lilly, that's right.
I thought your responses were equally appropriate for you.
Jani
who treats oathbound traditions the way you did is probably best avoided.
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
Jani
Or, in your case, take the consequences since you refuse to take the
responsibility.
> **snip
>
> >might sound pretty dumb (especially to the more experienced), but I'm
> >learning as I go, and I'm trying my best. Try to bear with me, and know
that
> >I appreciate any real help people give me. =)
> >
> ***your best? calling people with more experience "idiots" is not trying
> your best. Bear with you? I am bearing with you even though you insult
> more experienced folk.
Read the thread. She didn't call Relayer an idiot, did she? Are you winding
up to the same sort of insults you generally throw at newbies, right before
you claim to be an Elder and an initiated trad? If so, just repost the
google url and save yourself typing it all out again.
Jani
Brenda G. Kent
> Thank Goodness Brenda's Not a Doctor
>
> From: Lilly
> Reply to: [1] would...@liketoknow.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:57:21 -0800
> Organization: La casa del leone e dello scorpion
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>
>On 24 Feb 2003 10:23:17 -0800, wt...@victoria.tc.ca (Brenda G. Kent)
>wrote:
>
>(Taken from Nightwish's query about herbal properties)
>
>>I would answer that with another question....
>
>
>Why? Since you clearly think she's a newbie, why not either give her
>the information she asks for, or shut the fuck up? Do you EVER resist
>the urge to show how little you know?
>
***she stated that she was just a beginner..that is why I responded to her
this way.
>
>>why do you think or believe that one herb has protective qualities and
>>another not?
>
>
>Well golly, the next time someone's in desperate need of Digitalis to
>stay alive, I'll give em Rosemary, ok? At least they'll die with nice
>breath, huh?
>
***again..I was talking of the spiritual qualities..not the medicinal.
They can be very different. How does the medicinal qualities help someone
who wants to protect their house?
>
>>Personally I find that the way YOU perceive of the herbs and their
>>qualities says a lot about how you use it and what happens.
>
>
>Are you trying to say that some herbs have similar properties thus how
>one "intends" to use them is also very important? I might actually
>agree with something along those lines, but why can't you just say
>that and give her information? Why the preaching? Oh ya, cause yer
>Brenda, that's right.
*****why do you see it as preaching? I don't ..I just see it as giving
info and then I get spewed on. Point being..she asked for comparative
herbs and how one might cancel the other out. I have been asked both ways
in my teaching....once I was teaching in the from the beginning to the end
way that I was taught to teach..and then I had a student ask me for just
the info they wanted...which I gave. After a time of doing that she grew
frustrated and asked why I was "holding" so much knowledge from her. That
was the problem...damned if I do..damned if I don't. Why do so many here
get into the personality and character of someone instead of concentrating
on the learning? why is it so much more important to fit in and fight the
character instead of just learning? Had I posted the same post with a
different name..I would have been treated incredibly different...that's
what the ridiculousness of this is.
>
>~Lilly
>
>
>
>For he who lives more lives than one,
>more deaths than one must die.
>~Oscar Wilde
Brenda
True
getting spewed upon b/c you talk down to ppl...that's what I have been
trying to tell you from the very beginning. You'll never understand till
you realize that in large part it's caused by how ~you~ post and not
everyone else.
--
darkness, laughter and light,
True
"If guns are outlawed can we use swords instead?"
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:3e5d...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
> >
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>
>She read your archived posts, slitch. Even outsiders understand that someone
>who treats oathbound traditions the way you did is probably best avoided.
>
>Jani
***then if she read all of them..she knows I was ravening. If she
understands ravening like most wise woman then she understands. If she
does not understand it like yourself...then she has much more studying to
do. Education may be found in books..but wisdom comes from another place
and you have not been there yet I'd reckon.
Brenda
ren
>***then if she read all of them..she knows I was ravening. If she
>understands ravening like most wise woman then she understands. If she
>does not understand it like yourself...then she has much more studying to
>do. Education may be found in books..but wisdom comes from another place
>and you have not been there yet I'd reckon.
>
>Brenda
Why don't you shove a Raven right up your ass, Brenda.
Jani
and loss of ego, these days? Pendulum swung back to telling newbies you're
an Elder, has it?
Jani
"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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> >
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] ren
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:46:21 GMT
> Organization: AT&T Broadband
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5d...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>
>>understands ravening like most wise woman then she understands. If she
>>does not understand it like yourself...then she has much more studying to
>>do. Education may be found in books..but wisdom comes from another place
>>and you have not been there yet I'd reckon.
>>
>>Brenda
>
****not into felching....
LOL!
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Thank Goodness Brenda's Not a Doctor
>
> From: Lilly
> Reply to: [1] would...@liketoknow.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:11:18 -0800
> Organization: La casa del leone e dello scorpion
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5d...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>wrote:
>
>
>>***she stated that she was just a beginner..that is why I responded to her
>>this way.
>
>straight poop or be pointed in some helpful directions as opposed to
>you using it as an opportunity to play sage-mage and question her like
>little grasshopper?
>
*****Yes she does and that is what I was doing. I was'nt playing at
something...this is how I teach and she asked a question...just like you
like to spew insults and swear at others..just like CIB does and no one
jumps on her for it...it is my way.
>
>
>>***again..I was talking of the spiritual qualities..not the medicinal.
>>They can be very different. How does the medicinal qualities help someone
>>who wants to protect their house?
>
>Well of course they do, that's my point. They are different, and why
>should spiritual qualities be any different than medicinal qualities
>in that certain things just can't be changed. <sigh> Perhaps I should
>have used this analogy: The next time someone wants to protect their
>home, I'll make sure to tell them to use asafoetida and sulphur, after
>all they're just as cleansing as rosemary and sage, right?
>
****you totally missed the point. It is what THEY believe is helpful...not
someone telling them..which is why I asked her why she believes that it
will help. Spiritual qualities were written down by people who tested it
*themselves* and wrote it into a book and like dream interp books they may
not have the same quality to all who use them.
>
>>*****why do you see it as preaching?
>
>
>Because you couldn't just answer the question, point her to someone
>who could, or shut up about it. You had to turn it into Brenda's
>platform, yet again.
>
>
****that's how you saw it...but it was not..it was teaching..get over it.
> >I don't ..I just see it as giving
>>info and then I get spewed on.
>
>
>Of course you don't see it that way, you never do. And you didn't give
>that much information at all, which is my point, Brenda.
>
****this isn't cookbook stuff..nor is it McWitchcraft...many things take
time.
>
>>Point being..she asked for comparative
>>herbs and how one might cancel the other out. I have been asked both ways
>>in my teaching....once I was teaching in the from the beginning to the end
>>way that I was taught to teach..and then I had a student ask me for just
>>the info they wanted...which I gave. After a time of doing that she grew
>>frustrated and asked why I was "holding" so much knowledge from her. That
>>was the problem...damned if I do..damned if I don't.
>
>
>
>Yanno, this is all bullshit. You could have said x and y are my
>favorites for that purpose, or Joe Blow can give you details here, or
>not said anything at all. Is that any clearer to you?
>
****I could have...but I did'nt. I believe in teaching...not just giving
people tired lines and pointing them to a book.
>
>>Why do so many here
>>get into the personality and character of someone instead of concentrating
>>on the learning?
>
>
>Because you weren't helping her learn anything other than how pedantic
>and self-important you are. It's you who can't get past your
>character, btw.
>
****if someone WANTs to learn..they will. If they are open to
learning..they will be. Pedantic and self-important are only figments of
your imagination. This is me...and I would rather be someone who wants to
help than someone who spews insult.
>
>>why is it so much more important to fit in and fight the
>>character instead of just learning? Had I posted the same post with a
>>different name..I would have been treated incredibly different...that's
>>what the ridiculousness of this is.
>
>
>Or so you think. You're right, it's all a big anti-brenda conspiracy,
>it's so unfair you poor victim you. Feel better now?
>
****heh...I KNOW I'm right. No...it's not an anti-brenda conspiracy...it's
basic schoolyard tactics that kids use. I don't in the least feel like a
victim......Others emotions don't decide mine.
I love everyone here.
Watch....watch...
Nightwish
<Lilly> wrote in message news:i6eq5vsr2579hrhol...@4ax.com...
> On 26 Feb 2003 13:08:24 -0800, wt...@victoria.tc.ca (Brenda G. Kent)
> wrote:
>
>
> >***she stated that she was just a beginner..that is why I responded to
her
> >this way.
>
> straight poop or be pointed in some helpful directions as opposed to
> you using it as an opportunity to play sage-mage and question her like
> little grasshopper?
I can't reply directly to Brenda's posts because for some reason Outlook
Express doesn't like her. So I'll use your post as a vehicle to do so, if
you don't mind, Lilly.
Brenda, you seem to assume that, because I said I was a beginner where
spells are concerned, that means I am a beginner to the craft in general.
Not so. I've been reading craft literature for years. Don't assume I'm as
completely ignorant as you.
>
>
>
> >***again..I was talking of the spiritual qualities..not the medicinal.
> >They can be very different. How does the medicinal qualities help someone
> >who wants to protect their house?
>
> Well of course they do, that's my point. They are different, and why
> should spiritual qualities be any different than medicinal qualities
> in that certain things just can't be changed. <sigh> Perhaps I should
> have used this analogy: The next time someone wants to protect their
> home, I'll make sure to tell them to use asafoetida and sulphur, after
> all they're just as cleansing as rosemary and sage, right?
>
>
> >*****why do you see it as preaching?
>
>
> Because you couldn't just answer the question, point her to someone
> who could, or shut up about it. You had to turn it into Brenda's
> platform, yet again.
>
>
> >I don't ..I just see it as giving
> >info and then I get spewed on.
You didn't give info, Brenda. You tossed another question at me.
>
>
> Of course you don't see it that way, you never do. And you didn't give
> that much information at all, which is my point, Brenda.
>
>
> >Point being..she asked for comparative
> >herbs and how one might cancel the other out. I have been asked both ways
> >in my teaching....once I was teaching in the from the beginning to the
end
> >way that I was taught to teach..and then I had a student ask me for just
> >the info they wanted...which I gave. After a time of doing that she grew
> >frustrated and asked why I was "holding" so much knowledge from her. That
> >was the problem...damned if I do..damned if I don't.
>
>
>
> Yanno, this is all bullshit. You could have said x and y are my
> favorites for that purpose, or Joe Blow can give you details here, or
> not said anything at all. Is that any clearer to you?
>
>
> >Why do so many here
> >get into the personality and character of someone instead of
concentrating
> >on the learning?
Brenda, your personality is getting in the way, that's why. You lie.
Repeatedly. Give misinformation. And you distract me from my purpose here.
All that aside, you weren't helpful. At all.
>
>
> Because you weren't helping her learn anything other than how pedantic
> and self-important you are. It's you who can't get past your
> character, btw.
>
>
> >why is it so much more important to fit in and fight the
> >character instead of just learning? Had I posted the same post with a
> >different name..I would have been treated incredibly different...that's
> >what the ridiculousness of this is.
No, Brenda. You gave me no help whatsoever. And you would've persisted to
insist that I thank you for your useless yammering even under a different
nym. You would've been treated much the same. Stop trying to play the
martyr.
>
>
> Or so you think. You're right, it's all a big anti-brenda conspiracy,
> it's so unfair you poor victim you. Feel better now?
>
t_naismith
>
> ***then if she read all of them..she knows I was ravening.
It is understood by now that by _ravening_ you mean "lying your ass off".
See? Wasn't that easy?
> ***If she
> understands ravening like most wise woman then she understands.
The wisest women, (and men - there are men too, much as you wish there
were not), do perceive what you *mean* by _ravening_. They are not deceived
by your attempts at deception.
> *** If she
> does not understand it like yourself...then she has much more studying to
> do.
There is a course for learning to lie better than you do it? Save for
political on-the-job training, a search yields no candidates.
> ***Education may be found in books..but wisdom comes from another place
> and you have not been there yet I'd reckon.
>
That place is so far beyond the reach of your wildest dreams that you
cannot imagine the merest shadow of it from where you stagnate, Blenda.
The swamp of self-deception which forms your misinformed miasma of dimly
misunderstood thoughts is relieved only by the buzzing mosquitos of your
compulsive lying. You are not even a student, let alone fit to steal
the name _teacher_ for your misusage.
Trevor (Relentless Eye) N.
> B***da
t_naismith
"Lilly" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>***she stated that she was just a beginner..that is why I responded to
her
> >>this way.
> >
'superior' in this, or any other demonstrable regard so, your audacity rings
hollow.
Yet again.
> >Ok, and as a beginner, don't you think she's entitled to get the
> >straight poop or be pointed in some helpful directions as opposed to
> >you using it as an opportunity to play sage-mage and question her like
> >little grasshopper?
> >
> *****Yes she does and that is what I was doing. I was'nt playing at
> something...
Since you insist upon your pretense of _teaching_, know that there are
always others who actually are teachers. This is how they can recognise
when empty ones such as yourself merely try to co-opt what you see as a
_title_. Your own posted words give lie to your pretense, B***da,
refutation isn't even necessary;
only illumination of them, for the benefit of true students.
> *****this is how I teach and she asked a question
You don't _teach_, B***da. You cannot. "The mediocre teacher
tells..." - Even this, you do poorly. Esoteric subject matter is not
contained in words or memorization of techniques or "spells". It rests in a
certain quality which you, Brenda, sorely lack. You shall never discover
this quality, nor can you learn it; let alone _teach_ it.
> *****...just like you
> like to spew insults and swear at others..just like CIB does and no one
> jumps on her for it...it is my way.
>
"The good teacher explains. The superior teacher demonstrates..." -
Blenda has given an ineptly-presented demonstration of lying, entitled,
"ravening".
While this demonstration does not constitute _teaching_, it does serve to
indicate that, if she wishes to lie, she must learn to do so more
proficiently. I would
recommend the tutoring of a random four year old child in this curriculum
or, recalling her own childhood to her.
> [ ... ]
>
> ****you totally missed the point. It is what THEY believe is helpful...not
> someone telling them..
Talk about missing the point ...
Is this the maximum limit of your *knowledge*; sympathetic magic? Looks
like unLuckyMojo found a lifetime client in you, B***da.
Wait until they eventually discover that you are "funds-challenged" as a
potential fleece ... er, customer.
> ****which is why I asked her why she believes that it
> will help.
If she had answered your *question*, it is possible to extrapolate your
responses to it. In general, they would be as they have been; reeking of
false-superiority and outright condescension masked as _teaching_.
> ****Spiritual qualities were written down by people who tested it
> *themselves* and wrote it into a book and like dream interp books they may
> not have the same quality to all who use them.
>
This is precisely why _your_ faulty interpretations of ... pretty much
everything ... are suspect.
> >
> >>*****why do you see it as preaching?
> >
> >Because you couldn't just answer the question, point her to someone
> >who could, or shut up about it. You had to turn it into Brenda's
> >platform, yet again.
> >
>
> ****that's how you saw it...but it was not..it was teaching..get over it.
>
"Get over it"? If you have the sheer audacity to call a statement like
that anything other than what it is - out and out Condescension - then your
psychological problems run much deeper than trolling NGs for tips.
>
> > >****I don't ..I just see it as giving
> >>info and then I get spewed on.
> >
> >Of course you don't see it that way, you never do. And you didn't give
> >that much information at all, which is my point, Brenda.
> >
>
Being profoundly unable to learn, B***da is unlikely to ever become a
_teacher_.
> ****this isn't cookbook stuff..nor is it McWitchcraft...many things take
> time.
>
No matter how much time goes by, B***da is and will be, unable to do
more than grasp at the wisps of occult knowledge.
> >
> >>****Point being..she asked for comparative
> >>herbs and how one might cancel the other out. I have been asked both
ways
> >>in my teaching....
This is an extremely doubtful claim, since you are manifestly Not a
_teacher_, B***da.
> ****once I was teaching in the from the beginning to the end
> >>way that I was taught to teach..
You haven't been "taught to teach". Pashta and whomever other of your
false "priestesses" could not kindle what they do not possess; either in
themselves or in you, B***da.
> ****and then I had a student ask me for just
> >>the info they wanted...which I gave. After a time of doing that she grew
> >>frustrated and asked why I was "holding" so much knowledge from her.
That
> >>was the problem...damned if I do..damned if I don't.
> >
"The great teacher inspires." - William Arthur Ward
You are uninspiring, B***da. Those are not "students" you think you
'have', they are the duped. Bring them here, let them see the truth. You
cannot, such are
your superficial apprehensions and so it is with the deepest of your
fears. So desparately do you desire to be thought of as a _teacher_, that
you will lie, posture
and reveal the true nature of your beast in order to grasp at a concept
you do not even dimly perceive. I congratulate you on one thing; you are
truly one of the
few "unteachable" ones in existance. Revel in that title.
> >
> >Yanno, this is all bullshit. You could have said x and y are my
> >favorites for that purpose, or Joe Blow can give you details here, or
> >not said anything at all. Is that any clearer to you?
> >
>
> ****I could have...but I did'nt. I believe in teaching...not just giving
> people tired lines and pointing them to a book.
>
What do you do instead? What are your *sources*? If this is another
example of the "voices in your head", then disregard my inquiry.
> >
> >>****Why do so many here
> >>get into the personality and character of someone instead of
concentrating
> >>on the learning?
> >
> >Because you weren't helping her learn anything other than how pedantic
> >and self-important you are. It's you who can't get past your
> >character, btw.
> >
>
> ****if someone WANTs to learn..they will.
Not so. You, B***da, insist that you wish to learn yet, you never do.
You see what is intended to be seen.
You have no depth perception.
> ****If they are open to learning..they will be.
Your statement has a null semantic content. If they are open to
learning, they will be open to learning? <- noted as an example of why
B***da is incapable
of imparting even mundane concepts, let alone anything approaching the
esoteric.
> ****Pedantic and self-important are only figments of
> your imagination. This is me...
True, that is you; pendantic and self-important. Add to that, the
pretense of _teaching_ and that fairly well sums up Blenda.
> ****and I would rather be someone who wants to
> help than someone who spews insult.
>
When can this rather optimistic goal be expected to show results?
Breath should not be held in anticipation, one would "reckon".
> >>****why is it so much more important to fit in and fight the
> >>character instead of just learning?
Again, you mistake opposition to the insidious plague which you promote
to be "fitting in" and "schoolyard" games. It is not expected that you
learn this, there
is no expectation that you _can_ learn, B***da.
> >>**** Had I posted the same post with a
> >>different name..I would have been treated incredibly different...that's
> >>what the ridiculousness of this is.
> >
Do you think so? Try it, sock.
> >Or so you think. You're right, it's all a big anti-brenda conspiracy,
> >it's so unfair you poor victim you. Feel better now?
> >
> ****heh...I KNOW I'm right.
You "KNOW" you're right? Bwahahahahahahaha.
> **** No...it's not an anti-brenda conspiracy...it's
> basic schoolyard tactics that kids use.
There you go, B***da, posting your own *proof* of your self-deceptions.
It is always someone else's fault, isn't it, martyr?
> ****I don't in the least feel like a victim...
No, the correct distinction is that you wish to be seen as a victim.
What you feel is of little concern in that regard.
> ****...Others emotions don't decide mine.
That is both your fervent wish and most forlorn hope.
> ****I love everyone here.
>
> Watch....watch...
>
Sure ya do. A reply to this response can be anticipated ... next
millenium? Longer?
Trevor (Unremitting Eye of Falcon) N.
>
> >~Lilly
> >For he who lives more lives than one,
> >more deaths than one must die.
> >~Oscar Wilde
>
> B***da
THE Cast Iron Bitch
> ~L
Relayer
> <snip>
> As for
> your suggestion to perform either a protection ritual or banishing ritual,
> would it not be prudent to do both?
Sure. A banishing, then a protection ritual. Don't blunt your intent by
trying to do too mych within a single ritual. By analogy, I find that my
cooking is better if I simplify my choice of condiments so that specific
flavours are allowed to shine through. My opinion, YMMV of course.
> I agree with you on pre-mixed blends. I
> don't like them myself.
I am the same way with incense too. My exception is essential oils...
there are some very well crafted blends out there.
> Last night I began writing a list of things I may need for the spell, and
> jotting down my thoughts on different aspects of what I hope to achieve
> (notes for righting the spoken word aspect of the spell) and actually
> getting to the part where I finish a final draft of the spell, seemed very
> daunting.
That is pretty much the way I go about designing a ritual. I cover the
table with books of correspondance and such, and scrawl a lot of notes.
Then I refine it down to something appropriate (and beautiful, don't
forget to try and make it art as well). don't feel obliged to include
every possible correspondance you find.
There is a lot about spell writing and casting that I still have
> to learn, and while I realize the only way to learn is through experience,
> there's a small nagging part of me that asks, 'what if you fuck up?
> ROYALLY?' And then I find myself wondering if I'm even going about things
> the right way.
Sounds like you are doing well to me. Just living incurrs the risk of
fucking up royallk. Do it anyway. And have fun!
There are so many web sites out there that give easy answers.
> I don't want easy answers. I also don't want misinformation, so I don't put
> much faith on what I read on a web site. What I need, is guidance, and
> idiots like Brenda aside, I think the majority of people here have been very
> helpful to me. (Thanks, guys =D) I'll probably be asking a lot more spell
> writing-related questions in the near future, and some of those questions
> might sound pretty dumb (especially to the more experienced), but I'm
> learning as I go, and I'm trying my best. Try to bear with me, and know that
> I appreciate any real help people give me. =)
Conversing with you is a pleasure. A book you might want to look into as
a reference for spell creation (and all round useful reference) is "The
Magician's Companion" by Bill Whitcomb.
> ~Nightwish
R.
Nightwish
Outlook crashed on me when I tried to reply directly to your post, so I have
to make a new one...
>Sure. A banishing, then a protection ritual. Don't blunt your intent by
>trying to do too mych within a single ritual. By analogy, I find that my
>cooking is better if I simplify my choice of condiments so that specific
>flavours are allowed to shine through. My opinion, YMMV of course.
That makes a great deal of sense. Sounds like excellent advice, to me. Thank
you. =)
>I am the same way with incense too. My exception is essential oils...
>there are some very well crafted blends out there.
I haven't had much experience with oils as of yet, so I can't really
comment. =/
>That is pretty much the way I go about designing a ritual. I cover the
>table with books of correspondance and such, and scrawl a lot of notes.
>Then I refine it down to something appropriate (and beautiful, don't
>forget to try and make it art as well). don't feel obliged to include
>every possible correspondance you find.
I'm a writer (or at least, I like to think I am. I've had a couple things
published. Not much to speak of though.) and enjoy the challenge of putting
together things of this nature, however, it seems that lately I've fallen so
out of practice that I've got a severe case of writers block (as I mentioned
in my latest thread on Writing the spell...) I realize I don't need to
include every correspondence I find. I use the correspondences I understand
the best, and am the most familiar with. (Which common sense would dictate.
=P)
>Sounds like you are doing well to me. Just living incurrs the risk of
>fucking up royallk. Do it anyway. And have fun!
That's been my thought, lately. If it doesn't work, I can always try again.
=P
>Conversing with you is a pleasure.
Some would disagree. =P
>A book you might want to look into as
>a reference for spell creation (and all round useful reference) is "The
>Magician's Companion" by Bill Whitcomb.
Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately, since I recently lost my job,
funds are tight right now, so I'm afraid I won't be able to check it out any
time soon. (I HIGHLY doubt I would find it at a public library, but I could
be mistaken.) However, when I get the chance to do so, I will be sure to
look into it. I appreciate your feedback very much. =)
>R.
Gargoyle
hehehe
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:34:08 GMT, "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net> wrote:
>Brenda, you aren't people. And you need to stop saying 'you're welcome'
>because you can be damn sure I won't thank you for anything, except perhaps
>showing me the true depths to which human stupidity can sink.
>
>"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>news:3e5c...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> >
>> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >
>> > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:56:00 GMT
>> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> > Newsgroups:
>> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> > References:
>> > [6] <3e5b...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Brenda G. Kent" <wt...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
>> >[7] news:3e5b...@news.victoria.tc.ca...
>> >> >
>> >> > Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>> >> >
>> >> > From: "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net>
>> >> > Reply to: [1] "Nightwish"
>> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:39:20 GMT
>> >> > Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net
>> >> > Newsgroups:
>> >> > [2] alt.religion.wicca,
>> >> > [3] alt.pagan,
>> >> > [4] alt.witchcraft
>> >> > Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
>> >> > References:
>> >> > [6] <_Nr6a.469$1i1.2...@kent.svc.tds.net>
>> >> > [7] <a1657ac3.03022...@posting.google.com>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"armadillofluffnuts" <armadillo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >[8] [8] news:a1657ac3.03022...@posting.google.com...
>> >> >> "Nightwish" <nigh...@tds.net> wrote in message
>> >> >[9] [9] news:<_Nr6a.469$1i1.2...@kent.svc.tds.net>...
>> >> >> This thread sure didn't mention herbs in many posts.
>> >> >> Anyways, what herbs are you asking about, Nightwish? The combination
>> >> >> might change them, depending on what they are.
>> >> >> Also, be careful if the ritual calls for eating the herbs. Many
>herbs
>> >> >> taste bitter, or have thorns, and they aren't fun to eat.
>> >> >
>> >> >Basil and Chinese Anise. And it's for a spell I'm trying to write
>myself.
>> >> >(My first, actually.) I'm trying to write a spell to protect the house
>I
>> >> >live in and it's inhabitants from negative energy. And you're right, a
>> >lot
>> >> >of replies to this were irrelevant, thanks to Brenda. Oh well.
>> >>
>> >> ****How do you know that Basil and Chinese Anise are protective?
>> >> I personally sage it....(because I feel that sage is cleansing)then use
>> >> tibetan singing bowls or if you don't have that....tapping crystal
>glass
>> >> all over your house to raise the vibration (why? because I feel that it
>> >> works)and then I just raise a protective wall around my place
>(mentally).
>> >> It works. A lot of replies to this were irrelevent, thanks to those
>that
>> >> replied irrelevently. No one forces a person to flame...take
>> >> responsibility for each of us.
>> >> Blessings and you're welcome Nightwish.
>> >
>> >I didn't find that helpful, and I didn't thank you. Shut up, Brenda.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Brenda
>>
>> ***you did'nt find THAT helpful? goodness. Why are you trying to wreck
>> this thread Nightwish?
>> and you're welcome. No I won't shut up..you asked people for help...and I
>> am a people.
>> Brenda
>> ps. if you want more personalized teaching or what-have-you..you can
>> always email me personally.
>
Gargoyle - >;)_~~~~~
If you want to see the true Face of Evil...
then look for the Face of God.
Bobkins
> Outlook's been acting up on me lately, Relayer, you'll have to excuse me.
> Outlook crashed on me when I tried to reply directly to your post, so I
have
> to make a new one...
That's been happening to me, too. Maybe Microsoft incompetently added
something in one of the latest patches.
theoneflasehaddock
mic...@thelastchurch.borg wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:11:58 -0800, "t_naismith"
> <t_nai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Unfortunately, you are in no way
>>'superior'
>
> Thank Goodness none of you are Doctors. All your time
> is spent in arguments.
> Unfortunately, None of you are
> superior'
>
> I Michael, The Great, am the best witch here and the
> rest of you are just a bunch of dumb Girls, yet to
> become enlightened Women.
Great. So, if I get a lobatomy like you and Will and Brenda, then I will
become an enlightened woman? What religion is this anyway? It sounds
crazier than scientology. Why can't you loonies just castrate yourselves
instead?
theoneflasehaddock
Outlook stopped working at all for me a month ago. I ended up having to
get netscape, so it wouldn't crash. But it doesn't have a killfile, so
now whenever I see Tales post I get KILLFILE ENVY.
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Question about herb correspondences...
>
> Reply to: [1] m...@privacy.net
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:33:37 -0800
> Organization: http://doc_loves_leesa.winterslight.org
> Newsgroups:
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
>
>On 26 Feb 2003 18:14:45 -0800, wt...@victoria.tc.ca (Brenda G. Kent)
>wrote:
>
>>>Why don't you shove a Raven right up your ass, Brenda.
>>
>>****not into felching....
>>LOL!
>>Brenda
>
>pretty rare. And it's not in my big dictionary here either. Looking
>at dictionary.com ... oh, gross, Brenda! People do that? Ewwww.
>
>
>{{{ Huggs }}}
>
***not sure...it may be an urban myth or very much a reality. I have only
heard of it for about 4 years now. I'm an animal lover...but not an
*animal lover*.
Brenda
Brenda G. Kent
> Re: Thank Goodness Brenda's Not a Doctor
>
> From: Lilly
> Reply to: [1] would...@liketoknow.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:51:11 -0800
> Organization: La casa del leone e dello scorpion
> [2] alt.religion.wicca,
> [3] alt.pagan,
> [4] alt.witchcraft
> Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
> References:
> [6] <3e5d...@news.victoria.tc.ca>
>
>wrote:
>
>
>>*****Yes she does and that is what I was doing.
>
>no you weren't, Brenda.
>
>> I was'nt playing at
>
>
>Wait a minute. She didn't ask you to "teach" her. She asked a simple
>question. Maybe similar to how do you spell _____ or what's your
>favorite pie recipe. You tried to give her a phonics and cooking
>lesson, with other questions no less. Uncalled for and unwanted.
>
****and how I answer her is how I answer. She said that she uses blank and
blank and what if they have adverse properties to one another...to give
her the answer to her question I had to ask her why she believed it works
in the first place. I don't know everything..nor do I believe in giving
just stuff that I heard from others. She asked a question and I tried to
answer as best I could. Then she was rude and told me to shut up.
It would have been far better if she would have said ...thanks and left it
at that...rather than shut up.
>
>
>>just like you
>>like to spew insults and swear at others..just like CIB does and no one
>>jumps on her for it...it is my way.
>
>
>Am I spewing insults at you? No. I've been patiently trying to make a
>point to you. Yanno, I can see what you're saying. In fact, I could
>say it for you, Brenda. Could you do the same for me and my points?
>
>
****but you have. Saying "this is Bs" is insulting. I see your points..but
you assume that when a person asks a question they should get the book
version. I did not give it...I gave her the answer that I could.
>
>>>Well of course they do, that's my point. They are different, and why
>>>should spiritual qualities be any different than medicinal qualities
>>>in that certain things just can't be changed. <sigh> Perhaps I should
>>>have used this analogy: The next time someone wants to protect their
>>>home, I'll make sure to tell them to use asafoetida and sulphur, after
>>>all they're just as cleansing as rosemary and sage, right?
>>>
>>
>>****you totally missed the point. It is what THEY believe is helpful...not
>>someone telling them..
>
>
>And you totally missed my point: that qualities of anything is not
>only what one "believes" they are. Some of them actually have real
>qualities without anyone's belief in them.
>
***from what you believe....however I can't prove that so I would not say
it is fact..but opinion. She asked people a question...she did not say
"give me an answer that you got from a book"...or "give me what everyone
else thinks".
>
>>which is why I asked her why she believes that it
>>will help. Spiritual qualities were written down by people who tested it
>>*themselves* and wrote it into a book and like dream interp books they may
>>not have the same quality to all who use them.
>
>
>Yes, I understand that, I'm not denying that. I'm saying there is more
>to it than belief alone.
>
>
>>****that's how you saw it...
>
>
>Yup.
>
>>but it was not..it was teaching..
>
>
>
>Once again, did she ask you to teach her?
>
>
****no...she asked for an answer to a question...if she learns from
someone giving the
"answer" then you have just taught her.
>>get over it.
>
>
>I never started to begin with.
>
****actually yes..you got involved in me answering HER.
>
>
>>****this isn't cookbook stuff..nor is it McWitchcraft...many things take
>>time.
>
>
>I never said they didn't.
>
****then please refrain from asking me to answer the way you believe I
should. I gave an answer the best way I could..by asking her a question
about her beliefs in something making the reality.
>
>
>>****I could have...but I did'nt.
>
>
>
>Of course you didn't, hence my comments to you.
>
***but you want me to give her pat answers that everyone else gives?
>
>>I believe in teaching...
>
>
>You can't teach those who don't want you to teach them. Did it ever
>occur to you that perhaps she doesn't need or want your teaching?
>
****then why ask a question? when you ask for answers you ask to be taught
something.
>
>
>
>>not just giving
>>people tired lines and pointing them to a book.
>
>
>I didn't say you HAD to do either. There are many things you could
>have done besides the above and what you actually did.
>
****such as?
>
>
>>****if someone WANTs to learn..they will. If they are open to
>>learning..they will be.
>
>
>Correct. Have you read any of her comments to you? Clearly you did not
>come off to her as you intended or wanted. Right from the horse's
>mouth, as it were.
>
***yes I did..and I know where it comes from. Her comments were insult
without thought. There was no need for it at all.
>
>
>>Pedantic and self-important are only figments of
>>your imagination.
>
>
*****what was that? no insults?
>No, you're the real-life proof, Brenda.
>
****sorry Lilly but you don't know me at all....you have only your
misconceptions and assumptions to go on.
>
>>This is me...and I would rather be someone who wants to
>>help than someone who spews insult.
>
>
>Yes, but you didn't help her. You TRIED to help her in the manner YOU
>wanted to help her, not in the manner she needed or wanted to be
>helped.
>
***when someone asks for an answer and you give it and instead of having
patience and waiting for the answer that she asked for..she
insulted....there is no way to teach a brick wall. When someone wants to
learn..they will listen to answers.
>
>>****heh...I KNOW I'm right.
>
>
>You always do.
****you are snipping out of context Lilly....I know I'm right about my
name change getting a totally different response...it's been done and
proven to me already.
>
>
>>No...it's not an anti-brenda conspiracy...it's
>>basic schoolyard tactics that kids use.
>
>
>Sure, it MUST be that. It couldn't be that many of us have reached a
>similar opinion of you... all on our very own! OMG! What would that
>say about you?
>
****it would say that I overestimate far too many people in their
abilities.
>
>> I don't in the least feel like a
>>victim.....
>
>
>And yet you constantly act like one.
>
***No.....not at all...you see your own feelings is all.
>
>
>>Others emotions don't decide mine.
>>I love everyone here.
>>
>>Watch....watch...
>
>
>What? You dance like a drop of water in a hot skillet?
>
>Tired... tired... of watching... watching...
>
****hold your energy Lilly.
>~Lilly
>
>
>For he who lives more lives than one,
>more deaths than one must die.
>~Oscar Wilde
***Brenda