Preview 1 of Opera 7 for Linux available
Espen Sand
The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
Please note that this is a preview. It has not been
tested as much as it would have been had it been a final
release. It is not feature complete. See below for more information.
The packages are available here:
http://web.opera.com/download/unix/untested/intel-linux/353-20030214-P1/
Please take a look at this file as well to determine what
package to select:
http://web.opera.com/download/unix/untested/intel-linux/353-20030214-P1/whatpackage.txt
There are still a number of rough edges:
UI:
- Most Linux specific features as in 6.1 are gone for now.
- DnD is not fully working
- There are some focus related problems.
- The preference dialog box is not synchronized with the new UI yet.
This makes it hard to set fonts etc.
- Opera might hang a little bit the first time the banner is shown.
This is a known problem which will be fixed.
Document and page display:
- Please report any page display related issues. We are aware
of that some dynamic menus pops up at a wrong position and it
would be nice to be informed about sites that show this problem.
E-mail and News:
Opera now comes with an e-mail client and and a news client (m2).
It is suggested that if you want to test the e-mail client and
use the POP protocol to fetch message, then select the
"leave on server" check box since Opera 7 for Linux is still a
preview.
Install:
The install from tar.gz does not work 100%. You may want to do
as described below (custom install):
Before you install:
Since this is a preview it might be a good idea to backup you
personal ".opera" directory. This can be done from the command
line using "cp -a .opera .opera-mybackup" This will copy the
entire contents of ".opera" to the ".opera-mybackup" directory.
Custom install:
Please note that Opera relies on certain files for proper behavior.
These are the files located in the "ini" directory and the "skin"
directory. If you just unpack the tar.gz package then verify
you have copied the files to this location:
/usr/share/opera/ini/ (with contents - ini files)
/usr/share/opera/skin/ (with contents - zipped skin files)
/usr/share/opera/styles/user/ (with contents - custom css files)
/usr/share/opera/conmsg.html - For the javascript console
/usr/share/opera/console.html
/usr/share/opera/contool.html
/usr/share/opera/hhd.ssr - Configuration file for small screen rendering
These files will not replace any current data in your setup.
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Jan Schulz
Where is the primary discussion group? .beta or .linux?
* Espen Sand <es...@opera.com> wrote:
> Please take a look at this file as well to determine what
> package to select:
> [...]whatpackage.txt
It just states, that one (of three) is static and one is shared
(where is the third?). I would like to know, which qt version was
used to build the packages. With the new kde3.1 release I would
really like to have a qt3.1 shared packages for debian, but
everything above 3.0.5 is fine with me :)
Jan, still downloading :)
Espen Sand
>
> Hello,
>
> Where is the primary discussion group? .beta or .linux?
.linux. I forgot to mention that.
>
> * Espen Sand <es...@opera.com> wrote:
> > Please take a look at this file as well to determine what
> > package to select:
> > [...]whatpackage.txt
>
> It just states, that one (of three) is static and one is shared
> (where is the third?). I would like to know, which qt version was
> used to build the packages. With the new kde3.1 release I would
> really like to have a qt3.1 shared packages for debian, but
> everything above 3.0.5 is fine with me :)
>
> Jan, still downloading :)
The third has not been made this time.
Static: Qt 3.0.5
Shared Qt 3.0.4
I guess we will shift to Qt 3.1 before the final. 3.1 should be
compatible with 3.0.5
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es...@opera.com
Bob Manson
On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
it really annoying to use on a machine with an oversized virtual X11
display.
"Close window" doesn't work at all.
Actually, the whole page/window thing is a bit off. "New page" in the
main menu opens a new window. Using right-click in the page bar does
open a new page.
There's no "new page" tab in the page bar, and when I tried to add a
"new" button to the page bar nothing happened.
"g whatever" doesn't do a Google search, it treats it as a URL.
Java isn't working (was in 6.11), but I haven't investigated this at
all. (Useless I know, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Probably
related to the preferences stuff.)
Emacs keybindings aren't working in any of the text dialogs, but I
guess that's a Linux-specific feature.
I'll have to wait 'til some of these are fixed before I can do any
more testing with it--in particular the "huge window" problem is a
real killer for me.
Bob
Heinrich Wendel
Just
/usr/bin/opera: line 154: 19717 Segmentation fault "${BINARYDIR}/opera"
--binarydir "${BINARYDIR}" $passflags "${@}"
mfg, Heinrich Wendel
Espen Sand
Copy from opera.linux mail list:
This can be an Xft/XRender problem. We have used a Qt with Xft/XRender
support this time in the static version (because of speed issues) but we use
those libraries outside Qt as well and when we load these there may be a
chance that we load another version than Qt does. That mix, if it happens,
will cause problems. We will make a static version next week without
Xft/XRender support in Qt, but that will introduce a speed penalty as long as
we use Qt for some drawing operations that are accelerated with the
Xft/XRender support. We are working to fix this (not to use Qt for these
operations)
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Espen Sand
>
> Obvious problems:
>
> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
> it really annoying to use on a machine with an oversized virtual X11
> display.
I guess this can depend on the window manger. Which one do you use?
>
> "Close window" doesn't work at all.
Can infact be focus related.
>
> Actually, the whole page/window thing is a bit off. "New page" in the
> main menu opens a new window. Using right-click in the page bar does
> open a new page.
>
> There's no "new page" tab in the page bar, and when I tried to add a
> "new" button to the page bar nothing happened.
>
> "g whatever" doesn't do a Google search, it treats it as a URL.
hmm, that works here. Ok noted.
>
> Java isn't working (was in 6.11), but I haven't investigated this at
> all. (Useless I know, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Probably
> related to the preferences stuff.)
>
> Emacs keybindings aren't working in any of the text dialogs, but I
> guess that's a Linux-specific feature.
It is.
>
> I'll have to wait 'til some of these are fixed before I can do any
> more testing with it--in particular the "huge window" problem is a
> real killer for me.
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Bjørn Mork
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
Any way to make the banner ads go away? I have registered the
6.x/Linux version.
Bjørn
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Jan Schulz
XP&Fup2:o.linux
* Haavard K Moen <haa...@opera-dot-com.invalid> wrote:
>> Funnily, It activates a running Opera6.11 (reinstaleld the 6.11
>> debian): opera: Activated running instance of Opera
> Are you trying to run Opera 6 and Opera 7 at the same time? Bad idea.
> Close any running version of Opera first.
Nope, of course not :) I had installed the new O7 version and
couldn't get it running (neither the deb nor the tar.bz, both
static) and switched back to the old opera-static deb, which was in
my apt cache. Then I wanted to get the error message and got the
above.
Anyway, any Idea about teh problem itself?
Jan
Jan Schulz
> .linux. I forgot to mention that.
Ok
> The third has not been made this time.
What will that be?
> Static: Qt 3.0.5
> Shared Qt 3.0.4
Maybe I will have a go with one of the shared ones. 6.11 behaved
badly with the combinition (qt3.1.1 cvs.20021220), so I had to
switch to the staic one. anyway, as the reinstaling went so well, I
will have a look :)
> I guess we will shift to Qt 3.1 before the final. 3.1 should be
> compatible with 3.0.5
I hope so :)
BTW, will that also mean, that the decoration of the internal
windows look the same as the 'big' ones? Now I have the liquid theme
on my kde3.1 and the [x] in the upper right corrner lokks differnt
from the one, which belongs to the 'tabbed window'. Same foes for
the scrollbars and buttons: the liquid ones are round on the end,
opera is with corners.
Morten Hanssen
says...
[...]
: Static: Qt 3.0.5
:
: I guess we will shift to Qt 3.1 before the final. 3.1 should be
: compatible with 3.0.5
Does the use of QT imply that Opera7 for Linux will not have widgets that
are drawn 'from scratch', like it seems that Opera7 for Windows have?
Morten.
Eric Lambart
TP release!? ;)
off to download...
Eric
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:57:21 -0800, Espen Sand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available. Please note
> that this is a preview. It has not been tested as much as it would have
> been had it been a final release. It is not feature complete. See below
> for more information.
>
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Bob Manson
>Bob Manson wrote:
>> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
>> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
twm. I just tried it with no window manager at all, same results. So
Opera 7.0's just apparently picking the maximum possible window size?
That's no good. (And it doesn't appear to accept "-geometry" or
"--geometry" either.)
>> "g whatever" doesn't do a Google search, it treats it as a URL.
>hmm, that works here. Ok noted.
The only relevant thing I can think of is that I have name completion
disabled.
Bob
Espen Sand
Opera for Linux will use the same system as Opera for Windows. We try to
select the Qt that is most widely used.
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Espen Sand
>
> In article <3E4D4A78...@online.no>, Espen Sand <es...@opera.com> wrote:
> >Bob Manson wrote:
> >> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
> >> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
> >I guess this can depend on the window manger. Which one do you use?
>
> twm. I just tried it with no window manager at all, same results. So
> Opera 7.0's just apparently picking the maximum possible window size?
> That's no good. (And it doesn't appear to accept "-geometry" or
> "--geometry" either.)
True, the geometry cmd.line option is not yet used.
>
> >> "g whatever" doesn't do a Google search, it treats it as a URL.
> >hmm, that works here. Ok noted.
>
> The only relevant thing I can think of is that I have name completion
> disabled.
That should not be important but I will investigate.
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Bob Manson
>> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
twm. I just tried it with no window manager at all, same results. So
Opera 7.0's just apparently picking the maximum possible window size?
That's no good. (And it doesn't appear to accept "-geometry" or
"--geometry" either.)
>> "g whatever" doesn't do a Google search, it treats it as a URL.
>hmm, that works here. Ok noted.
The only relevant thing I can think of is that I have name completion
disabled.
Bob
Jan Schulz
>> /usr/bin/opera: line 154: 19717 Segmentation fault "${BINARYDIR}/opera"
>> --binarydir "${BINARYDIR}" $passflags "${@}"
> support this time in the static version (because of speed issues) but we use
Ok, that helped here as well, I got the shared.deb running. One
problem: I can't type more than 'ww' and then I habe no keyboard
responses anymore, neither 'backspace' nor anything else. pasting
via 'middle mouse' and also via <strg>+<v> is working. copying to
clipboard (*ix way: mark with mouse) is working as well.
Also, when I mark the line with the mouse, I can 'backspace' it.
It seems that this is related to the 'type ahead' (or whatever you
call this window going up^Wdown under the adress field. It comes up
on the first w and vanishes again after the second. I can also type
127 (as in 127.0.0.1..) and then another letter and I have the same
problem then. As long as I can keep the 'popdown' window open, I
can type.
Also switching to another window and back again lets me type further
again, I just have to put the cursor on the right place (eitehr wit
mouse or with arrow key).
Another thing: How moch 'system' Look and feel will opera adopt? I
can see, that almost everything is 'opera' style: button, dropdown,
etc (just the inner window decoration is still the 'ugly' and
'different than system' one). Will I have a complete opera style or
can is it just my non compatible qt, which makes it looking
different?
Jan
Espen Sand
>
> * Espen Sand <esp...@online.no> wrote:
> >> /usr/bin/opera: line 154: 19717 Segmentation fault "${BINARYDIR}/opera"
> >> --binarydir "${BINARYDIR}" $passflags "${@}"
> > This can be an Xft/XRender problem. We have used a Qt with Xft/XRender
> > support this time in the static version (because of speed issues) but we use
> [...]
>
> Ok, that helped here as well, I got the shared.deb running. One
> problem: I can't type more than 'ww' and then I habe no keyboard
> responses anymore, neither 'backspace' nor anything else. pasting
> via 'middle mouse' and also via <strg>+<v> is working. copying to
> clipboard (*ix way: mark with mouse) is working as well.
>
> Also, when I mark the line with the mouse, I can 'backspace' it.
>
> It seems that this is related to the 'type ahead' (or whatever you
> call this window going up^Wdown under the adress field. It comes up
> on the first w and vanishes again after the second. I can also type
> 127 (as in 127.0.0.1..) and then another letter and I have the same
> problem then. As long as I can keep the 'popdown' window open, I
> can type.
>
> Also switching to another window and back again lets me type further
> again, I just have to put the cursor on the right place (eitehr wit
> mouse or with arrow key).
This is a focus thing. We have seen this when using Qt 3.1 in the
static version (that is part of the reason why we used Qt 3.0.5 in
the static build). I happens once the autocompletion dropdown list
closes, but I still do not know why.
>
> Another thing: How moch 'system' Look and feel will opera adopt? I
> can see, that almost everything is 'opera' style: button, dropdown,
> etc (just the inner window decoration is still the 'ugly' and
> 'different than system' one). Will I have a complete opera style or
> can is it just my non compatible qt, which makes it looking
> different?
The aim is to support a 'opera' style everywhere so that is can be
skinned (you can install skins from my.opera.com). There are still
elements in the UI that must be modified.
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Jan Schulz
* Bob Manson <man...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
>>> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
Same here: I have resised Opera, closed it and whenopening, the
window is full size. also the 'toggle' button between max and
'normal' is not doing anything, aparently both 'sizes' are set to
the screen size (after resizing the toggling works)
Jan
Jan Schulz
> This is a focus thing. We have seen this when using Qt 3.1 in the
> static version (that is part of the reason why we used Qt 3.0.5 in
> the static build). I happens once the autocompletion dropdown list
> closes, but I still do not know why.
Yep, thats what I noticed, too. I'm using the shared 3.1.1 version
of qt. I hope that will be resolved soon, it isn't so much fun
testing a programm, when it does not let you :)
> The aim is to support a 'opera' style everywhere so that is can be
> skinned (you can install skins from my.opera.com). There are still
> elements in the UI that must be modified.
Thanks for the info... I will have a look, how to get the same look
as my system one... (sight, why isn't anybody happy with skinning
the desktop/windows system...)
Jan
Christian Hesse
> Any way to make the banner ads go away? I have registered the
> 6.x/Linux version.
I've registered Opera 5. I think I have to update for Opera 7, is it already
possible to get a license-update for the new Linux-Version?
Christian
Hay Bouten
> Espen Sand <es...@opera.com> writes:
>
>> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
>
> Any way to make the banner ads go away? I have registered the
> 6.x/Linux version.
>
>
>
> Bjørn
No banner here :) Did you have a registered Opera 6.x with free upgrade
deal?
Hay
Martin Schrode
> I've registered Opera 5. I think I have to update for Opera 7, is it
> already possible to get a license-update for the new Linux-Version?
Check out <url: http://www.opera.com/buy/ >. Some time ago, they were
selling licenses for Opera 6.11 that allowed upgrading to 7.
Werner Paukert
> Hi all,
>
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
> Please note that this is a preview. It has not been
> tested as much as it would have been had it been a final
> release. It is not feature complete. See below for more information.
[..]
> There are still a number of rough edges:
>
> UI:
>
> - Most Linux specific features as in 6.1 are gone for now.
> - DnD is not fully working
> - There are some focus related problems.
> - The preference dialog box is not synchronized with the new UI yet.
> This makes it hard to set fonts etc.
> - Opera might hang a little bit the first time the banner is shown.
> This is a known problem which will be fixed.
>
> Document and page display:
>
> - Please report any page display related issues. We are aware
> of that some dynamic menus pops up at a wrong position and it
> would be nice to be informed about sites that show this problem.
>
> E-mail and News:
>
> Opera now comes with an e-mail client and and a news client (m2).
> It is suggested that if you want to test the e-mail client and
> use the POP protocol to fetch message, then select the
> "leave on server" check box since Opera 7 for Linux is still a
> preview.
>
[...]
Who need a new e-mail or news-reader under linux?
I am a registered 6.x user
Any way to make the banner ads go away? I have registered the
6.x/Linux version
What's about the search plugin for Google and other search engines?
In the preview it doesn't work for me.
Bad new things in this version
I uninstalled it and go back to 6.11
Reading hear and waiting for the next preview
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http://www.paukert.de (Teichhomepage)
Registered Linux User 237839
Powered By Mandrake Linux 9.0
MandrakeClub Member since March 12, 2002
Franck Barsi
I have a problem with opera 7 and qt, It seems that Qt can't render the menu
in 07.
Here is 2 screenshots :
http://www.gameswares.net/screens/opera7p1.jpg
http://www.gameswares.net/screens/opera7p1_2.jpg
I'm under Mkd9 using last version of qt (3.1.1: libqt3, libqt3-common,
libqt3-devel)
I have installed O7 with the static version because the shared version
doesn't install ("libqt.so.3 is necessary to opera-7.0.0-20030214.2")
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Espen Sand
Try to start opera with the -fn "font-name" option. That cmd. line option
are used by Qt. Yon can grab the font-name using xlsfonts
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Toby A Inkster
> Thanks for the info... I will have a look, how to get the same look
> as my system one... (sight, why isn't anybody happy with skinning
> the desktop/windows system...)
I am, but Opera doesn't use GTK, so Opera needs to be skinned seperately,
as far as I'm concerned.
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Toby A Inkster
> Bob Manson wrote:
>>
>> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
>> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
>> it really annoying to use on a machine with an oversized virtual X11
>> display.
>
> I guess this can depend on the window manger. Which one do you use?
Ditto here with Metacity.
It also worries me that it's slower than Opera 7 for Windows on my
computer at work, which is only 166MHz! (At home I have a 400MHz Celery)
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Espen Sand
>
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:58:48 +0100, Espen Sand wrote:
>
> > Bob Manson wrote:
> >>
> >> On startup, or new windows in "SDI" mode, come up maximized to the
> >> size of the display instead of the last used window size. This makes
> >> it really annoying to use on a machine with an oversized virtual X11
> >> display.
> >
> > I guess this can depend on the window manger. Which one do you use?
>
> Ditto here with Metacity.
>
> It also worries me that it's slower than Opera 7 for Windows on my
> computer at work, which is only 166MHz! (At home I have a 400MHz Celery)
What extactly is slower? Can you pinpoint something? Do you use the shared
or static version?
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Toby A Inkster
> Toby A Inkster wrote:
>> It also worries me that it's slower than Opera 7 for Windows on my
>> computer at work, which is only 166MHz! (At home I have a 400MHz Celery)
>
> What extactly is slower? Can you pinpoint something? Do you use the shared
> or static version?
Static version, installed by RPM.
Once it has been fully loaded (ie: has drawn everything to the sceen), it
is sluggish for the first couple of minutes. I can't scroll pages,
open/close windows, or do anything with the UI. After a few minutes, it
becomes more acceptable. (Of course this doesn't last long, as it will
segfault and I'll have to start again!)
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Espen Sand
>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:14:46 +0100, Espen Sand wrote:
>
> > Toby A Inkster wrote:
> >> It also worries me that it's slower than Opera 7 for Windows on my
> >> computer at work, which is only 166MHz! (At home I have a 400MHz Celery)
> >
> > What extactly is slower? Can you pinpoint something? Do you use the shared
> > or static version?
>
> Static version, installed by RPM.
>
> Once it has been fully loaded (ie: has drawn everything to the sceen), it
> is sluggish for the first couple of minutes. I can't scroll pages,
> open/close windows, or do anything with the UI. After a few minutes, it
> becomes more acceptable. (Of course this doesn't last long, as it will
> segfault and I'll have to start again!)
How/where does it segfault? Do you load many pages on startup?
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Jorgen Stepputat
I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed that
with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you can't
register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
implemented?
But 7 is great. Not having Windows I've only just discovered it, and
it's fantastic.
J. Stepputat
Espen Sand
>
> Martin Schrode <use...@schrode.net> wrote in message news:<oprkmnov...@schrode.net>...
> > Christian Hesse <ne...@earthworm.de> wrote:
> >
> > > I've registered Opera 5. I think I have to update for Opera 7, is it
> > > already possible to get a license-update for the new Linux-Version?
> >
> > Check out <url: http://www.opera.com/buy/ >. Some time ago, they were
> > selling licenses for Opera 6.11 that allowed upgrading to 7.
>
> I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed that
> with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you can't
> register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
> implemented?
Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was entered
in 6.x
>
> But 7 is great. Not having Windows I've only just discovered it, and
> it's fantastic.
>
> J. Stepputat
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Toby A Inkster
> How/where does it segfault?
Often. Usually when opening or closing a window, but sometimes when merely
opening a menu.
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Jorgen Stepputat
> Jorgen Stepputat wrote:
> >
> > Martin Schrode <use...@schrode.net> wrote in message news:<oprkmnov...@schrode.net>...
> > > Christian Hesse <ne...@earthworm.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've registered Opera 5. I think I have to update for Opera 7, is it
> > > > already possible to get a license-update for the new Linux-Version?
> > >
> > > Check out <url: http://www.opera.com/buy/ >. Some time ago, they were
> > > selling licenses for Opera 6.11 that allowed upgrading to 7.
> >
> > I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed that
> > with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you can't
> > register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
> > implemented?
>
> Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was entered
> in 6.x
I upgraded to 6.x from a previous version. (USD 15)I made sure the new
registration code was entered in 6.1, but still get the banner in 7.
(Never upgraded to 6.11, because the problem with 6.1 only affected
the banner, I think.) Can I do anything to make it go away? Do I need
a brand new registration at the full price?
J. Stepputat
tbt
> Hi all,
>
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
>
----------------------- snip -----------------------
> E-mail and News:
>
> Opera now comes with an e-mail client and and a news client (m2).
> It is suggested that if you want to test the e-mail client and
> use the POP protocol to fetch message, then select the
> "leave on server" check box since Opera 7 for Linux is still a
> preview.
>
-------------------- snip --------------------------
How, exactly, do you get email and news running?
mail is fuzzed out and news:// asks me to specify a mail client.
Using Opera static tar.gz placed in a folder on my desktop, with the
appropriate files moved, running Mandrake 8.2
tbt.
To mail me, turn cc into com
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Espen Sand
>
> Espen Sand wrote, methinks, on Friday 14 February 2003 08:57:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
> >
>
> ----------------------- snip -----------------------
>
> > E-mail and News:
> >
> > Opera now comes with an e-mail client and and a news client (m2).
> > It is suggested that if you want to test the e-mail client and
> > use the POP protocol to fetch message, then select the
> > "leave on server" check box since Opera 7 for Linux is still a
> > preview.
> >
>
> -------------------- snip --------------------------
>
> How, exactly, do you get email and news running?
>
> mail is fuzzed out and news:// asks me to specify a mail client.
Can you start opera from the command line and see what is printed
in the terminal? If it says something about m2 it probably cannot
load the m2.so library and that is most likely a library search path
issue, which you can modify with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable.
If m2 can not be used opera will fall back to external clients
(hence the asking for news and mail clients).
--
Espen Sand
es...@opera.com
Maarten te Paske
> Jorgen Stepputat wrote:
>
> > I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed
> > that with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you
> > can't register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
> > implemented?
>
> Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was
> entered in 6.x
The same goes for me: I've bought a license for Opera 6.0 for Linux
april 29 last year. After installing the Opera 7 beta (and keeping my
~/.opera directory) my registration details were lost. And as the
"Register opera..." option does not work in this version yet, I'm
obliged to watch the banners.
Furthermore, I noticed that pasting a URL in the browser windows does
not work anymore. I can only paste it in the location bar. Is this a
known issue ?
However, all-in-all it looks very promising !
Maarten
--
" Ik lul ook maar wat. "
-- Kryz in <pan.2003.02.12...@kryz.org.invalid>
Espen Sand
>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:15:02 +0100, Espen Sand <esp...@online.no> wrote:
>
> > Jorgen Stepputat wrote:
> >
> > > I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed
> > > that with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you
> > > can't register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
> > > implemented?
> >
> > Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was
> > entered in 6.x
>
> The same goes for me: I've bought a license for Opera 6.0 for Linux
> april 29 last year. After installing the Opera 7 beta (and keeping my
> ~/.opera directory) my registration details were lost. And as the
> "Register opera..." option does not work in this version yet, I'm
> obliged to watch the banners.
At that time (april 2002) I do not think it was possible to buy
a reg. that would work for 7 as well.
>
> Furthermore, I noticed that pasting a URL in the browser windows does
> not work anymore. I can only paste it in the location bar. Is this a
> known issue ?
Yes. A linux specific feature that has been disabled for now.
--
Espen Sand
es...@opera.com
Maarten te Paske
> Maarten te Paske wrote:
>
> > The same goes for me: I've bought a license for Opera 6.0 for Linux
> > april 29 last year. After installing the Opera 7 beta (and keeping
> > my ~/.opera directory) my registration details were lost. And as
> > the "Register opera..." option does not work in this version yet,
> > I'm obliged to watch the banners.
>
> At that time (april 2002) I do not think it was possible to buy a reg.
> that would work for 7 as well.
OK, that's a pity. I've always thought it would work for Opera 7 too :)
Now I'm in doubt - shall I buy a new license immediately so I can run
the upcoming betas without banners already or shall I wait a little
longer so I won't have the disadvantage of buying a license too "early".
Martin Schrode
> Furthermore, I noticed that pasting a URL in the browser windows does
> not work anymore.
Ctrl+D (paste and go) might be a little faster than pushing the mouse.
Haavard K. Moen
<use...@tepaske.net> wrote:
> Now I'm in doubt - shall I buy a new license immediately so I can run
> the upcoming betas without banners already or shall I wait a little
> longer so I won't have the disadvantage of buying a license too "early".
If in doubt, wait and see. If it works well for you now (with the
numerous known issues as obvious exceptions), it will of course work
even better in the future. Still, if you don't know if this is for you
it is easier for both you and us to wait and see if you like the way
it is going if you are hesitating.
I don't know if the two weeks of ad-free browsing will be introduced
for the preview versions. Espen?
William E. Taylor
> Hi all,
>
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
> Please note that this is a preview. It has not been
> tested as much as it would have been had it been a final
> release. It is not feature complete. See below for more information.
>
> The packages are available here:
> http://web.opera.com/download/unix/untested/intel-linux/353-20030214-P1/
>
> Please take a look at this file as well to determine what
> package to select:
>
http://web.opera.com/download/unix/untested/intel-linux/353-20030214-P1/whatpackage.txt
>
>
>
> There are still a number of rough edges:
>
> UI:
>
> - Most Linux specific features as in 6.1 are gone for now.
> - DnD is not fully working
> - There are some focus related problems.
> - The preference dialog box is not synchronized with the new UI yet.
> This makes it hard to set fonts etc.
> - Opera might hang a little bit the first time the banner is shown.
> This is a known problem which will be fixed.
>
> Document and page display:
>
> - Please report any page display related issues. We are aware
> of that some dynamic menus pops up at a wrong position and it
> would be nice to be informed about sites that show this problem.
>
> E-mail and News:
>
> Opera now comes with an e-mail client and and a news client (m2).
> It is suggested that if you want to test the e-mail client and
> use the POP protocol to fetch message, then select the
> "leave on server" check box since Opera 7 for Linux is still a
> preview.
>
> Install:
>
> The install from tar.gz does not work 100%. You may want to do
> as described below (custom install):
>
> Before you install:
>
> Since this is a preview it might be a good idea to backup you
> personal ".opera" directory. This can be done from the command
> line using "cp -a .opera .opera-mybackup" This will copy the
> entire contents of ".opera" to the ".opera-mybackup" directory.
>
> Custom install:
>
> Please note that Opera relies on certain files for proper behavior.
> These are the files located in the "ini" directory and the "skin"
> directory. If you just unpack the tar.gz package then verify
> you have copied the files to this location:
>
> /usr/share/opera/ini/ (with contents - ini files)
> /usr/share/opera/skin/ (with contents - zipped skin files)
> /usr/share/opera/styles/user/ (with contents - custom css files)
> /usr/share/opera/conmsg.html - For the javascript console
> /usr/share/opera/console.html
> /usr/share/opera/contool.html
> /usr/share/opera/hhd.ssr - Configuration file for small screen rendering
>
> These files will not replace any current data in your setup.
>
>
Initialy I was having GUI problems. I forgot about the custom install
instructions. Once I copied the files to the /share/opera folders all came
up great. Only two things that I noticed:
1 - Takes a real long time to connect to any site.
2 - Opera a few times just exited with a segmentation fault. Not sure why I
get the other errors. Here is the output:
[develop@pcp01390239pcs opera-7.0.0-20030214.1-static-qt.i386]$ ./opera
opera: Could not initialize VXML component, errno = -1
opera: Could not initialize M2
opera: Warning: Using default FontSwitcher. Codepage information not
available.
Segmentation fault
[develop@pcp01390239pcs opera-7.0.0-20030214.1-static-qt.i386]$
_____________________________________________________
William E. Taylor
wecons...@comcast.net
tbt
> Hi all,
>
> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
> Please note that this is a preview. It has not been
> tested as much as it would have been had it been a final
> release. It is not feature complete. See below for more information.
>
------------------ snip ------------------
the translate feature dosent seem to be working
Maarten te Paske
<haa...@opera-dot-com.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:51:29 +0000 (UTC), Maarten te Paske
> <use...@tepaske.net> wrote:
>
> > Now I'm in doubt - shall I buy a new license immediately so I can
> > run the upcoming betas without banners already or shall I wait a
> > little longer so I won't have the disadvantage of buying a license
> > too "early".
>
> If in doubt, wait and see. If it works well for you now (with the
> numerous known issues as obvious exceptions), it will of course work
> even better in the future.
This is not exactly what I meant. Apparently I bought my license for
Opera 6 too fast: if I would have bought it later it would've worked for
Opera 7 too.
So, now I'm pondering .. if I buy an upgrade now I shall probably have
to upgrade for version 8 (yes yes, it's future talk) again. But if I
will wait I cannot run the betas for version 7 yet (I hate watching
banners, it is no option for me seeing these in my browser window).
Oh well, I'm probably just a cheap Dutch person - we're famous for that.
> Still, if you don't know if this is for you it is easier for both you
> and us to wait and see if you like the way it is going if you are
> hesitating.
I'm confident Opera 7 will be an excellent browser - there's no doubt
about that :)
> I don't know if the two weeks of ad-free browsing will be introduced
> for the preview versions. Espen?
Two weeks ad-free browsing ? That might be interesting for people who
are considering the Opera browser, but I'm already confident I will use
it anyway.
Bjørn Mork
> Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> Espen Sand <es...@opera.com> writes:
>>
>>> The first preview of Opera 7 for Linux is now available.
>>
>> Any way to make the banner ads go away? I have registered the
>> 6.x/Linux version.
>
> deal?
I have no idea. Were there two options all the time or was this
something that was sold only recently? I believe I registered 6.x just
after the first release.
Bjørn
--
You're always totally wrong.
Werner Paukert
> Espen Sand <esp...@online.no> wrote in message
[....]
>> > I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed that
>> > with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you can't
>> > register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
>> > implemented?
>>
>> Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was
>> entered in 6.x
>
> I upgraded to 6.x from a previous version. (USD 15)I made sure the new
> registration code was entered in 6.1, but still get the banner in 7.
> (Never upgraded to 6.11, because the problem with 6.1 only affected
> the banner, I think.) Can I do anything to make it go away? Do I need
> a brand new registration at the full price?
>
> J. Stepputat
Have the same problem with the banner in Opera P1
This I found in my registration e-mail:
- Free upgrades of all Opera 6.x versions and version 7 (You will receive
another email which will describe how to update your
registration code, when Opera 7 will be released.)
I got no e-mail for the Opera P1
Maarten te Paske
> This I found in my registration e-mail:
> - Free upgrades of all Opera 6.x versions and version 7 (You will
> receive another email which will describe how to update your
> registration code, when Opera 7 will be released.)
Can you tell me when you bought your license ? I did this in April last
year, and the email I received says :
" Thank you for purchasing Opera 6.0 for Linux. This registration code
is valid for Opera 6 on Linux. If you would rather like to use Opera 5
on Linux please send an email to regi...@opera.com and include your
registration code for the 6 version. "
So my guess is I bought the license too early - as I will have to
upgrade my license for Opera 7.
Werner Paukert
I ordered it Thursday, October 17, 2002
Espen Sand
>
> Jorgen Stepputat wrote:
>
> > Espen Sand <esp...@online.no> wrote in message
> [....]
> >> > I get a banner too, and I'm registered for 6.x. But I've noticed that
> >> > with 7 you do not even get the "Register" dialogue - i.e. you can't
> >> > register it, so I can only assume that the feature is not yet
> >> > implemented?
> >>
> >> Correct, but if you have a valid 6/7 license it shall work if it was
> >> entered in 6.x
> >
> > I upgraded to 6.x from a previous version. (USD 15)I made sure the new
> > registration code was entered in 6.1, but still get the banner in 7.
> > (Never upgraded to 6.11, because the problem with 6.1 only affected
> > the banner, I think.) Can I do anything to make it go away? Do I need
> > a brand new registration at the full price?
> >
> > J. Stepputat
>
> Have the same problem with the banner in Opera P1
>
> This I found in my registration e-mail:
> - Free upgrades of all Opera 6.x versions and version 7 (You will receive
> another email which will describe how to update your
> registration code, when Opera 7 will be released.)
>
> I got no e-mail for the Opera P1
Well, I think they meant Opera 7 final (but send a mail and I am sure
that can be fixed)
--
Espen Sand
es...@opera.com
Herbert Martin Dietze
[free upgrade to version 7 included in 6 license?]
> Well, I think they meant Opera 7 final (but send a mail and I am sure
> that can be fixed)
The mail I got does not mention an upgrade to version 7 either.
Was the free upgrade to version 7 only included for a limited
period of time?
Also, I tried to enter my registration code in Opera 7 pre, but
selecting the registration entry in the Help menu did not have
any effect (nothing happened).
Cheers,
Herbert
--
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++sheep;
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Jorgen Stepputat
So any idea when the rest of us can get a licence for 7?
I am more likely to use the browser - even Previews and betas - if
I can get rid of the banner.
J. Stepputat
Espen Sand
Daniel Pfeiffer
on any app where this is possible I move button bars and such clutter to the
bottom. This was the first thing I tried in O7, but the ad banner didn't
move with the main-bar. I could understand if I turned it off, but this way
the bars waste double the screen space, which is intolerable!
You still don't get http://www.individualidade.com.br/joanna/ right. The
embedded popup comes up too small. Only when I closed the neighboring page,
did the popup suddenly turn into a full sized page which shows the letter
buttons at the top.
The other thing is with the bookmarks, things like bestlinux or caldera are
history!
Apart from that, the animation effects and the default skin are really cute!
coralament / best Grötens / liebe Grüße / best regards / elkorajn salutojn
Daniel Pfeiffer
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Phil Boutros
> year, and the email I received says :
>
> " Thank you for purchasing Opera 6.0 for Linux. This registration code
> is valid for Opera 6 on Linux. If you would rather like to use Opera 5
> on Linux please send an email to regi...@opera.com and include your
> registration code for the 6 version. "
Yep. I ordered mine on March 3rd, 2002, and got exactly the
same thing.
> So my guess is I bought the license too early - as I will have to
> upgrade my license for Opera 7.
What the hell? Can anyone from Opera give us a definitive
answer on this? If I have to buy the software *again*, I'll just
stick to 6.11!
Phil
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Espen Sand
>
> Maarten te Paske <use...@tepaske.net> wrote:
> >
> > Can you tell me when you bought your license ? I did this in April last
> > year, and the email I received says :
> >
> > " Thank you for purchasing Opera 6.0 for Linux. This registration code
> > is valid for Opera 6 on Linux. If you would rather like to use Opera 5
> > on Linux please send an email to regi...@opera.com and include your
> > registration code for the 6 version. "
>
> Yep. I ordered mine on March 3rd, 2002, and got exactly the
> same thing.
>
> > So my guess is I bought the license too early - as I will have to
> > upgrade my license for Opera 7.
>
> What the hell? Can anyone from Opera give us a definitive
> answer on this? If I have to buy the software *again*, I'll just
> stick to 6.11!
A registration bought for 5 was valid for 6 as well. There was an offer
a few months ago where one could buy a registration that would be valid
for both 6 and 7. Normally one have to upgrade between major releases. I
do not know the details. You have to ask regi...@opera.com
--
Espen Sand
es...@opera.com
Beartooth
> ... (I hate watching
> banners, it is no option for me seeing these in my browser window).
Strength to your arm! I would give up the web before I'd tolerate a lot
of ads; I've never
owned a TV -- nor wanted to.
> Oh well, I'm probably just a cheap Dutch person - we're famous for that.
Well, I'm Dutch-American on one side and Swiss-American on the other --
and probably as hardened a penny-pincher as anyone in or out of Scotland
-- so maybe it was my fault, somehow, every time I've tried (and always
failed) to register. But there is a possible solution: if you can get
Opera to play nice with Privoxy, it at least makes the never to be
sufficiently execrated banner quit flashing at you.
(I'd much rather have it go away entirely, and would
willingly pay for the extra screen space; but I've given up on making
registration work. Something in my defenses -- which I don't pretend to
understand; I don't know enough to dare not be paranoid, and keep them as
high as I can -- must be bollixing up the process ...)
--
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Double Retiree, Linuxers' Apprentice, Curmudgeon On Line
Pine 4.43 by ssh; Pan 0.11.4 under YellowDog Linux 2.3;
Privoxy 3.0.0; Phoenix 0.5, Opera 6.11, Galeon 1.2.0
Christian Mertes
> This can be an Xft/XRender problem. We have used a Qt with
> Xft/XRender support this time in the static version (because
> of speed issues) but we use those libraries outside Qt as well
> and when we load these there may be a chance that we load
> another version than Qt does. That mix, if it happens, will
> cause problems.
What version is the static Qt linked against? I'm using 2_1 and
AFAIK this is the latest stable version.
> We will make a static version next week
> without Xft/XRender support in Qt, but that will introduce a
> speed penalty as long as we use Qt for some drawing operations
> that are accelerated with the Xft/XRender support. We are
> working to fix this (not to use Qt for these operations)
Is this new static version ready? My Qt won't compile and opera
crashes really often. Please do something about this.
Christian
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