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Hans Neukomm

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Oct 9, 2002, 2:12:29 AM10/9/02
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Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to whom it may concern -
including the poster HERE of the email circulating authored by Brother
Brahman-Atmananda.

please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS that you have
WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !

while many know you here in this news group and know that you like to
lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no obvious reason at all,

some may be new and have no experience and knowledge about you and may
deserve FACTS - true facts and spiritual help instead of insults and
gossip !

Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda

in order to proof that you KNOW what you are writing about, please
provide the following details within the shortest possible time, and
since you authored the below email you should have ALL facts instantly
available:

1. please give a direct link to MY diksha page to PROOF that you at
least know the full content and details of diksha given on my web site

2. please give a direct link to any or all chapters where i "boldly
claim" (your words) in any PUBLIC chapter or publication on my website
that Lahiri Mahasaya or any other great saint of past centuries is my Guru.

3. please give a direct link to any or all pages where i claim that the
kriya yoga technique offered BY ME ON MY WEB SITE is the original FROM
LAHIRI MAHASAYA !

4. PLEASE SHOW ME ANY LINK or text or page on my web site where i use or
better ABUSE the name of great saints of past centuries on this planet
to promote my own teaching !

5. please proof by original text that either babaji or lahiri mahasaya
ever claimed to be the owners or original CREATORS of kriya yoga !
to the very best of my own personal limited reading of texts from lahiri
mahasaya including the "autobiography of a yoga" i have never seen any
statement where any of the two great saints ever claimed exclusive world
rights.

kriya yoga is thousands of years older - on this planet as well as long
time before it was used on this planet. the origin of such divine
techniques usually always goes back to god - and even when written or
refreshed at some later time by a human on earth - still is blessed AND
inspired by god and remains PUBLIC property of all creation.

6. great saints never "die" - they leave or abandon their physical body
- such as jesus or many other great saints live on for ever and ever -
in the hearts and souls of all humans needing help and advice as well as
as an eternal source of inspiration and spritual guidance for all true
and sincere god seekers.

during the course of history on this planet thousands and more have
achieved god union and eternal freedom in god without the help of
physical guru or without even kriya yoga or any yoga or any particular
technique - just trough a rightful life with or without a family and by
developing love as good as they could.

during previous times on this planet thousands of humans, children,
women and men alike have witnessed appearances of various great saints
who at that time had no physical body anymore. including jesus who
"died" some 2000 years ago and still is the main source of loving
inspiration for millions on earth and thousands every month feel his
loving presence in their life and heart - they FEEL his love across
dimensions that apparently separate "death-ones" from living ones.

7. sainthood never can be inherited. while it is a loving intention to
forward all original teachings to the own children - just by being a
child of a great saint of any century never enlightened these physical
children or gave them go realization - just as a result of their birth
in a family of a great god realized saint

while of course the physical or metaphysical presence and uplifting love
CAN and MAY speed up OR facilitate spiritual progress by anyone
benefiting from such presence it ultimately still remains the sole
responsibility of each individual god seeker to actually REALIZE and
PRACTICE all needed techniques and to really conduct a lifestyle and
attain an inner attitude suitable to achieve ONENESS with god.

8. god is love and as a loving creator god always gives and gave
absolutely equal chances to ALL - equal chances to achieve eternal
freedom of the cycle of physical reincarnation AND even full god
realization UNION with god - just as a result of the proper LOVING inner
attitude and as a result of sincere and honest efforts in all situations
of life.

god gave equal opportunities to all - yogi and NON-yogi, to members of
all and any religions, as well as to all those without any religion.

ultimately only love and the sincere efforts to forgive ALL and accept
forgiveness from all and to LOVE is the only decisive factor on the path
home to god. the ultimate factor for all is the readiness to live in
peace and love with all. such readiness can be achieved in billions of
ways, including a multitude of experiences - some of them sometimes
painful - leading to such readiness to love.

9. your claim of
"This is a valid question considering that Mr. Neukomm is living a very
luxurious life traveling and spending hard -earned disciples' money
to pay underage prostitutes."

is of very relative nature !

is a girl at the age of 40 in acceptable, below or above age to start a
love relationship - or at 30 or 23 or ??


here some details as directly witnessed by the author of the story with
the girl:

-------- as received by email from georgi: <snip>

"Dear Father,

yes! i remember some details. the girl's name was Joy
and she was between 22-23 years. originally from
mindanao island, christian. she had three children:
a small girl 2 years and a boy 4 years with her. her
cousin was taking care of them. once we all visited
their house on the beach when they asked you to help
her husband. but the husband was missing at that time.
i even remember where the house is because we, me and
you walked together along the beach to cesmin when
finished there. the third joy's child, as i was
told, about 7 years lived with her mother in mindanao
island."
---------------- <snap>


as to my
"living a very luxurious life traveling" this again is very relative and
related to the very poorest ones - for example in bangladesh ( a place i
worked once for some time in the 1970s ).

but lets be realistic !

first of all - YOU have never met me in person - ever since you know me
in your present incarnation all you ever attempted is to create insults,
lies and gossip and destruction.

let's take a full year as an example:

2001:

about jan 3, 2001 i started to live in a cottage in la union for 3 month
until approx april 3, 2001. at a monthly rate of PHP 7000 plus
electricity and water. all together about 7400 PHP per month this is
approx us $ 150 per month. most of the time i was cooking myself. during
this time i received visits from out of country and some of them ( incl.
georgi ) stayed in next cottage at similar rates. this cottage had one
main bedroom about 3.5 x 3.5 meter with aircon ( which I never used ) it
had a simple but fully functioning kitchen, small bathroom with toilet
and shower and cold water, a small separate guest room which i used a
few times for visitors needing place to sleep and once i used it for
myself as i gave my own bedroom to the visitors.

april 4 i spent on the beach due to lack of money.
april 5 and for approx 3 month i was living in a normal local style room
in a big house with many families - most of the families had ONE room of
approx 3x3 to max 4x4 meter for all members of their family - just
regular Philippine style of very simple life.

exactly such was my room - sleeping on bamboo bed without mattress or
pillow - just the regular local style, one small light bulb for
emergencies, no fan, small window no sun light inside, no fresh air
circulating - but LOTS of love in the house among ALL - for about 3
month and there was of course NO shower but a hand pump for ground water
outside the house for all approx 20 people to wash body and laundry
( the house covered a total area of approx 10 x 10 meter ground floor,
plus first floor and on top the house was another simple room.
this room was rented before to local people and when it got free i took
it at exactly same price - PHP 800 per month plus electricity PHP 170
per month - all together less than approx us $ 20 per month.

toilet was traditional local style - i.e. in the garden was a small hut.

after that approx 3 month i spent a few weeks in a very simple but very
clean hotel at a rate of PHP 1250 per week - approx us $ 25 per week.
including shower, toilet, light and fan and a real bed with mattress and
pillow ! during that time i had again a visitor from out of country.

then i went on ( my first travel in that year !! ) to mindanao - a very
remote small and very simple but loving fishing village in zamboanga del
norte for approx 7 weeks. being invited to help some people there i
spent the money for various small needs of others and could live for
free but provided most food for all in the house and many out of the house.
no bed - sleeping on the ground on bamboo - regular local style like all
their in that village.
washing and laundry took place in a small spring just outside the center
of the village. almost all village met there for washing and laundry in
a very friendly and loving way to share love and time with each other.
yes i did some extensive traveling there, to access internet i had two
cities to choose from and the best choice from the tech/reliability
point of view was zamboanga city and the return travel was approx 3 days
traveling by boat and busses and usually 2 nights on the way in a hotel.

after that time on mindanao island i return to luzon island and was
again living in the small but clean hotel at approx us $ 25 and later
during another visit from usa i went together with the visitors for a
few weeks to coron ( palawan norte ) to a small and very quiet and clean
resort. my small wooded cottage of approx 3 x 3 meter, some light no
fan was us $ 5 per day. we selected that place because it was more
convenient for our plans and cheaper than other places. travel expenses
there were very high in deed - by bus to manila approx PHP 280 ( us $ 6
) and by super ferry manila to coron city approx PHP 1250 ( us $ 25 )
one way.


after the visitors left - i returned to la union and stayed again in the
small hotel at us $ 25 per week - made one visa trip out of country to
hongkong for 3 nights and return to la union until almost christmas.
during Christmas time i received a gift from several loving disciples -
among others one couple sent an amount to be used for roses - and i
shared it with others and also spent a few days in baguio city and la
union near the beach.

is this your mentioned "very luxurious life" ??

yes in deed it is if i compare it with the very poorest on this planet i
ever saw.

by the way - dear dr. daryl - what are YOU doing these days ?? i read
from an email YOU sent - YOU wrote:
------- < snip >
I am presently in
> Central London and from here will proceed to the US
> to
> visit some disciples and do some lecturing
------- < snap >


it is your divine birth right to travel and you are never responsible
for anything you ever to to others but only to YOUR own innermost being
AND to GOD.

i may safely assume you do what needs to be done for the spiritual and
only spritual benefit of all mankind on earth and beyond - for ALL
CREATION. hence when ever YOU dr. daryl have such honest and sincere
intentions YOU are free to travel any where any time and life the life
style you are being offered or can afford.

dr daryl - please provide the true and correct details to the very best
of your sincere and honest knowledge regarding the points through 5
above within reasonnable shortest possible time to show that our email
is based on YOUR true direct knowledge of REAL facts and of direct
KNOWLEDGE from my web page rhater than guesses and superficial reading
of a few chapters.

may love and peace prevail on earth and in all creation and all mankind
and all creation learn very soon to live together in a loving and
peaceful way - loving each other - helping and supporting each other -
for the JOY of our all FATHER and creator - God - the source of all
sources - creator of all creators - source of all inspiration - origin
of all and owner of all - the one and only !!


with love and eternal bliss for all

hans

cyberspace ashram - www.kriyayoga.com

----------------
P.S.:

i am aware that YOU - dr daryl - did NOT post this below email yourself
here in this NG - but YOU are the author and you are the one finally and
eternally responsible for anything and everything you write and bring
into public circulation. may your true and loving points of
clarification to the above bring instant peace and love to all who have
received your mail - directly from you or indirectly by others - since
you ask the recipients "Please forward this email to others". hence the
origin of this below email always is YOU !
----------------

Hans_S...@gmx.net wrote:
> Beloved Friends,
>
> It is with sadness that I bring the news of Mr. Hans Neukomm's
> fraudulent claims and deeds unbecoming of someone posing as a
> spiritual master who is only interested in loving everyone with the
> love of God.
>
> His "Guru"
>
> First of all Lahiri Mahasaya, whom Mr. Neukomm boldly claim to be his
> Guru died a hundred and seven years ago. I'm sure that even Mr.
> Neukomm's grandfather wasn't yet born at that time This is outright
> fraud. How can Mr. Neukomm be a disciple of someone whom he never met,
> never knew and never knew him? This isn't how Kriya Yoga is
> transmitted. Lahiri Mahasaya have duly-empowered successors. There are
> various bona fide lines of Lahiri Mahasaya that exist even to this
> time. Lahiri Mahasaya need not personally descend and teach one Mr.
> Hans Neukomm Kriya Yoga. One example of such a line is that of Sri
> Daya Mata. Sri Daya Mata is a disciple of Paramhansa Yogananda,
> Paramhansa Yogananda was a disciple of Swami Sri Yukteswarji, Swami
> Sri yukteswarji is a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Another line is that
> of Swami Sadhanananda. Swami Sadhanananda is a disciple of Swami
> Bhavananda, Swami Bhavananda is a disciple of Swami Sri Yukteswarji,
> who is in turn a disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya. Shibendu Lahiri, the
> dynastic heir of Lahiri Mahasaya's Kriya Yoga is touring the west on a
> regular basis. Shibendu Lahiri is the son of Satyacharan Lahiri,
> Satyacharan Lahiri is the son of Tinkouri Lahiri, Tinkouri Lahiri is
> Lahiri Mahasaya's son. Hans Neukomm's claim of being a direct personal
> disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya is preposterous to say the least. Even his
> claim of spending many previous incarnations with him doesn't justify
> it. Paramhansa Yogananda was Prince Arjuna in a previous life. Sri
> Yukteswar was St. Francis of Assissi. but still Paramhansa Yogananda
> needed to get initiation from a living master Sri Yukteswar, and Sri
> Yukteswar needed to get initiation from a living master Lahiri
> Mahasaya.
>
> This is the truth. Mr. Hans Neukomm doesn't have a valid lineage to
> back his guru business up, so he concocted his own, plain and simple.
> But how will people notice when he will plaster your face with
> countless "I love yous" and "God bless yous". Mr. Hans Neukomm's claim
> of being Lahiri Mahasaya's disciple is a lie.
>
> Does Mr. Neukomm Really Love You?
>
> This is a valid question considering that Mr. Neukomm is living a very
> luxurious life travelling and spending hard -earned disciples' money
> to pay underage prostitutes. This has been attested by his own
> disciples and even mentioned in his website that is filled with long
> and winding blabbing that leads to nowhere. And they are tolerating it
> because to them it is just one of their guru's way of expressing his
> great "love" for everyone and everything. Hans' organization is a sex
> cult:
>
> Taken from his website
> http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/newsletter200112-7.htm
>
> "I arrived in the Philippines in the early March, 2001
> with small amount of money, but in my opinion enough
> to pay for a tree-week stay in a hotel and have
> several dollars per day for all the rest. At that time
> Hans was living near San Fernando in a cottage next to
> the beach. I reached his place in the evening and took
> a cottage next to him. He was out somewere. I took a
> shower and went to sleep. I was sleeping when I heard
> his voice and a minute later he knocked on my door.
> With an infinite joy in my heart I opened the door and
> fell in his arms. After a big hug he offered me to
> continue my rest and meet each other next morning for
> breakfast. For my surprise he was with a girl.
> I agreed and went back to bed. But I could not asleep
> listening to the noise in his cottage. And after a
> while...O MY GOD !!! They started making SEX! Skies
> fall onto my head.I was shocked. My mind was
> overloaded thinking.How can a guru do such thing? One
> of the first reactions was to catch my flight back to
> USA and start my search for guru/god again. That night
> I was teared apart. But the TRUTH did enter my
> personality at last. All my doubts were cleared up
> after the breakfast next morning. There was so much
> Divine Love that even my mind surrendered and I
> prepared myself to enjoy my guru's love for the
> remainder of my stay. But obviously it was time to
> learn- to become husband, father, lover and helper."
>
> Poor blind follower of Mr. Neukomm. Hans is married and has two
> daughters, how can this disciple of Mr. Neukomm learn how to become
> husband, father, lover and helper from a philadering bloodsucker like
> Hans?
>
> Hans' Teachings
>
> Taken from Mr. Neukomm's website
> http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/oralsex.htm
>
> a man bows to the "WOMEN" inside his wives / partners by being able to
> kiss her pussy (vagina) with such great devotion and love that she can
> easily have an orgasm. this proofs full acceptance of HER being
> "different" from male - her being truly female - hence of OPPOSITE
> nature than the man himself. while the women in such love practice is
> required to truly be in peace with herself being a female being and by
> being fully relaxed to completely OPEN and accept her husband bowing
> to her in such a truly spiritual way. if the woman fails to fully open
> for her partner - then she may fail to experience an orgasm as a
> result of herself failing to ACCEPT his true divine love ! every true
> female woman loves that and enjoys it again and again - and EVERY
> spiritual woman NEEDS this proof of true love again and again for her
> spiritual healing and of course for a happy fulfilling partnership !!
> the female sexual organs are of receiving nature - specially the
> uterus has a powerful large chakra to absorb metaphysical energy GIVEN
> by the man during sex including oral sex. it is this male energy
> flowing INTO the spiritual being of a woman that finally causes the
> orgasm of a woman in ALL sexual practices between men and women. the
> woman NEEDS to truly LOVE that man to fully OPEN for his love and that
> man needs to have TRUE spiritual love in order to be able to GIVE such
> love that creates an orgasm within the woman. an orgasm is a temporary
> union of two astral bodies - and for more advanced spiritual couples
> of two causal bodies.
> no matter what the reason and purpose of a marriage is or was - one
> day every woman is starving for that ultimate proof of love. even if
> in some cultures or religions such proof or sexual practice has been
> completely suppressed - one day - now or in a later incarnation that
> woman may search for something missing ... and finally find it and
> escape any present marriage or partnership that existed for any reason
> of abuse what so ever. true love needs to be proven ! again and again
> and for eternity !! the thirst for true love and a possible missing
> proof of such true love in a given partnership always is stronger than
> and material benefits present and causes both partners to be attracted
> toward the final and eternal love partner - sooner or later.
> a woman bows to the "MAN" inside her husband / partner by giving him a
> "blow job" - by sucking his penis and FULLY absorbing all energy
> metaphysical and physical ( semen = physical love ) flowing out of her
> partner's penis. this requires HER to be fully open to accept his love
> and ABSORB love within HER female being - she either can absorb all or
> NONE - never metaphysical love only and rejecting physical love ! this
> oral sex however also requires the man being fully relaxed and ready
> to GIVE ALL to his wife - it also requires that HE feels the his love
> is WELCOME by his wife / partner. he needs to FEEL that his love is
> "good enough" for his wife and that she loves it. of course such can
> only be done by a woman who is in peace with her sexual woman inside
> as well as that man needs to be in peace with his sexual role as a man
> !
> every man who may presently feel and BE abused as a source of
> financial support or as a jump board for a females career may sooner
> or later miss this ultimate proof of being loved as a simple man. just
> remember the very recent story in the late 90-ies of the previous
> millennium of a young woman and a president of a large American
> country - that man was abused by his married wife as a jump board for
> her future career and at the same time this man as a president was
> missing simple true love from a female being. no career, no position,
> no money ever can replace true love in all its divine aspects for any
> extended period. the thirst and hunger for true love bursts one day
> all limits and finds a suitable source for fulfillment. that young
> woman who gave that president the proof of true love was his true
> eternal partner. karma has separated them and the search for love by
> each soul still has kept them physically close enough to find each
> other - at least until the weird and very ill sexual mentality of that
> country destroyed ( or postponed ) a possible happy-end !
> I noticed that westerners are so quick to fall prey on someone
> capitalizing on love and God. Please understand that is the oldest
> trick in the book. It is very easy to say "I love you" to anyone
> specially in the Internet, more so if you that is how you make your
> living. But this "I Love You" cult of Mr. Hans Neukomm is no different
> than the Love Bug or "I Love You" virus that destroyed millions of
> dollar worth of computers throughout the world. All of a sudden you
> find an email entitled "I Love You" on your inbox, you open it and
> voila! Its a virus. How gullible people are. And now this is being
> repeated again in the story of Hans.
>
> Hans' Kriya
>
> Mr. Neukomm offers an online initiation on "Kriya Yoga", according to
> him it is the same Kriya taught by Lahiri Mahasaya. This is not true.
> The so-called "Kriya Yoga" in Mr. Neukomm's website doesn't even
> remotely resemble real Kriya Yoga as taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and his
> successors.
>
> When you are ready the Guru will come. One's job is to prepare for the
> Guru's coming, not to look for the Guru.
>
> Please forward this email to others whom you believe are in the
> process of being brainwashed by Mr. Neukomm. Now he is inviting others
> to come and spend Christmas in the Philippines. This is his new
> racket. It would be a very expensive activity and a very dark
> prospect. He is saying that it would be cheap, I know better, I live
> there. Would you be one of those who would go to that other side of
> the world just to be coached by Mr. I Love You on how to do oral sex
> and worship him? Its your choice. Cults survive because of gullible
> people.
>
> Affluence, health and inner peace to you and your loved ones!
>
> May you be liberated in this lifetime.
>
> Brother Brahman-Atmananda
>
> http://www.onegreatpower.org


hari har singh

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Oct 9, 2002, 3:39:13 AM10/9/02
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Haben sich da wieder 2 gefunden? ;-)
Hans, Du musst ja ganz schön lange gebraucht haben um das alles zu tippen
....

Kleiner Tipp für dich im Anhang.
(Text is für Kundalini Yogis geschrieben - also bitte die KY spezifischen
Hinweise übersehen oder deiner Yogarichtung entsprechend anpassen)

--
Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh

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Wie man Verleumdung mit der Bewusstheit

einer Lehrerin oder eines Lehrers begegnet
Verfasst durch das Khalsa Council, Oktober 2000
Bearbeitet durch Gurucharn Singh Khalsa, PhD
Übersetzt durch Simran Kaur Khalsa Wester
Verleumdung wird eingesetzt, um Zweifel zu schaffen wo vorher keiner
war, und wo auch keiner berechtigt ist. Verleumdung ist wie Teer. Es ist
klebrig, dunkel, stinkig und schwer wieder los zu werden, wenn man es
berührt. Jede Lehrerin und jeder Lehrer zieht sowohl Verleumdung wie auch
Lob an. Manche Individuen machen Verleumdung zu ihrer Identität und
Vollzeit- Leidenschaft. Sie setzen alles daran, diejenigen zu Fall zu
bringen oder zu "entlarven", die Bekanntheit erreicht haben oder Gutes tun.

Man muss verstehen, dass viele Leute sich Klatsch und Verleumdung
anhören und nicht wissen, was sie damit anfangen sollen. Dies ist eine kurze
Abhandlung über die Natur der Verleumdung, welche Motive dahinter stehen,
und wie man damit umgehen kann.

Was ist Verleumdung?
Laut Wörterbuch ist Verleumdung "etwas Falsches oder Bösartiges zu
behaupten, das jemandes Ruf schädigt, ihn falsch darstellt oder nur aus dem
Zusammenhang gegriffene Teilinformationen darstellt, die geeignet sind, ihn
herabzuwürdigen."

Im normalen Wortgebrauch schließt die Bedeutung von Verleumdung
Klatsch mit ein. Um Klatsch handelt es sich, wenn man bösartigen Gerüchten
oder unerwiesenen Anschuldigungen zuhört oder sie verbreitet.
Klatschverbreiter wiederholen oft, was sie von anderen gehört haben oder
meinen gehört zu haben, ohne mit der betreffenden Person die Behauptungen
oder die Genauigkeit der Darstellung zu überprüfen.

Warum scheint Verleumdung Macht zu haben?
Der Verleumder spürt, dass er Zweifel schaffen und Macht gewinnen
kann, wenn er auf Ängste und Gefahr anspielt. Das wissen Romanschreiber
auch. Das ist der Grund, weswegen sie einen Bösewicht kreieren, mit dem sie
die Aufmerksamkeit der Leute wecken und fesseln können. Ansonsten wäre ein
freundlicher und tapferer Held nett und langweilig.

Verleumdung wird auch verwendet, um bestehende Ängste zu vergrößern.
Wir alle haben Dinge in uns, vor denen wir Angst haben oder denen wir
misstrauen. Das kann eine Angst vor Fremden sein, vor Autorität, vor
Männern, Krankheit oder irgendetwas anderem. Der Verleumder verknüft seine
Zielscheibe mit diesen gesellschaftlichen und unbewussten Ängsten. Sie
vergrößern die Angst, so dass der Verstand auf Gefühle reagiert, nicht auf
Tatsachen. Ein Verleumder mag viele Fakten anführen, aber nur, um Aufsehen
zu erregen, nicht, um Austausch oder Analyse anzuregen.

Was sagen spirituelle Lehren über Verleumdung?
In spirituellen Traditionen wird Verleumdung als ein niederes
Verhalten gekennzeichnet, das die Zuhörer ohne Grund aufrührt und den
Sprechenden in die Dunkelheit und Angst verbannt, die durch die Verleumdung
hervorgerufen werden.
Zum Beispiel äussert sich der Siri Guru Granth Sahib deutlich über
Verleumdung. Im folgenden Text verstehen wir unter einem Heiligen jeden
Menschen, der einem rechtschaffenen Weg folgt.

Wenn man Heilige verleumdet, brennt man im Feuer der Gier. Wenn man
Heilige verleumdet, versucht man, alle zu täuschen. Wenn man Heilige
verleumdet, schwindet der eigene Einfluss. Wenn man Heilige verleumdet,
erniedrigt man sich zu den Niedrigsten. Für einen Menschen, der Heilige
verleumdet, gibt es keinen Ort, wo er sich entspannen könnte.
Sikhismus, Sukhmani Sahib

Ähnlich sprechen sich andere Traditionen über diesen Punkt aus:

Du sollst kein falsches Zeugnis wider deinen Nächsten ablegen.
Judentum und Christentum, Exodus 20:16

Wer Falsches behauptet oder Lügen verbreitet geht in die Hölle.
Hinduismus, Markandeya Puran

Wer etwas Kriminelles oder ein Verbrechen begeht und es dann einem
Unschuldigen anhängt, hat sich selbst mit Falschheit und einem
ungeheuerlichen Verbrechen beladen.
Islam, Qu´ran 4:112

Das ist ein Verleumder : er hat etwas an einem Ort gehört und
verkündet es an einem anderen, um dort unter den Leuten Uneinigkeit zu
schaffen. Auf diese Weise sät er Unstimmigkeit unter denen, die in Harmonie
lebten oder schürt die an, die uneinig waren.

Zwietracht ist sein Vergnügen, seine Freude und das Motiv seiner Rede.
Wenn man einer solchen Art des mündlichen Verhaltens folgt, wachsen
unerleuchtete Bewusstseinszustände stark an, erleuchtete Bewusstseinzustände
nehmen ab.
Buddhismus, Majihima Nikaya iii:47-48,
Sevitabbaasevitabba Sutra

Warum sagen alle diese Lehren, dass Verleumdung falsch sei?
Jede Seele hat das Recht, in diesem Leben voran zu kommen, zu wachsen
und sich selbst und die eigene Bestimmung zu verwirklichen. Niemand sollte
an dieser Möglichkeit gehindert werden. Unser Schmerz und unser Leiden
stammen aus dem Zweifel und aus dem fehlenden Einssein mit unserer
Göttlichkeit. Worte, gesprochene oder gehörte, führen unseren Geist in die
Klarheit oder in den Zweifel. Verleumder schaffen Zweifel und leben von dem
Unwohlsein, das dadurch ausgelöst wird. Sie versperren den Weg eines
Menschen, der ernsthaft versucht, in Bewusstheit und Spiritualität zu leben.
Jeder Weg ist angelegt, um zu dienen, zu erheben und eine Basis zu liefern,
auf der man anderen dienen kann und befriedigenden Gewohnheiten folgen kann.
Verleumder behindern das Wachstum anderer und erschaffen ein Karma oder
Selbstfluch wegen dieser Rücksichtslosigkeit und schlechten Absicht.

Welche Motive hat ein Verleumder?
Es gibt im Wesentlichen drei Motivationen für Verleumdung:

Jemand kann durch Angst motiviert sein, durch Vermeidenwollen oder
Flucht, und durch Schuldgefühle. Eine Enttäuschung, der Verlust von Status,
eine Scheidung oder manchmal auch eine interne Reaktion auf einen anderen
Menschen verursachen Angst oder Schmerz. Um die los zu werden, erschafft er
einen "Übeltäter", dem er dann die "Schuld" dafür anhängt.

Es gibt Menschen, die erfüllt sind von einer Sehnsucht, einer Begierde
oder einem Ehrgeiz. Wenn man andere einschüchtert oder ängstigt, entsteht
ein Gefühl von Macht. Dieses Macht- Gefühl ist wie ein Aufputschmittel für
den Verleumder.

Manche haben ihre Identität auf der bornierten Vorstellung einer
Mission aufgebaut. Sie halten sich für einen Retter oder für einen
Zerstörer. Sie legen sich eine große Pose zu. Professionelle
"De-Programmierer" kidnappen und foltern Menschen und bleiben dabei
unberührt von den Gefühlen der anderen. Für sie zählt nicht der Mensch,
sondern die Mission.

Was ist eine gute Erwiderung auf Verleumdung?
Die beste Erwiderung ist, nicht zu reagieren. Als Lehrer oder Lehrerin
sprich aus deinem Herzen mit schlichter, erhebender Aufrichtigkeit. Verwende
deine eigenen Worte, mit Freundlichkeit, ohne Wut, um zu inspirieren. Hilf
den anderen, an ihre eigene Erfahrung anzuknüpfen, was in ihrem Leben wahr
gewesen ist und was immer noch wahr ist.

Wiederhole oder verbreite Verleumdung in keiner Weise. Denk daran,
dass es ein Teil des Spiel des Lebens ist. Bleibe bewusst und diene. Am
besten lässt man sich nicht auf eine Debatte über die Anschuldigungen ein.
Das wäre das Ziel des Verleumders und ist oft eine Falle, durch die man
immer tiefer in Desinformation und emotionale Abwehr hineingerät. Verwickle
dich nicht in eine Schlammschlacht mit der Verleumdung.

Wenn jemand dich wegen einer Verleumdung anspricht, kannst du auf
mehrere Weisen antworten. Du kannst denjenigen daran erinnern, dass
Verleumdung die Kunst der Verzerrung und der Verwendung von
Teilinformationen ist, die auf eine Weise zusammengestellt werden, dass
etwas Unschuldiges bedrohlich aussieht. Normalerweise dient dies irgendeiner
versteckten Absicht. Um herauszufinden, was wahr ist, müssen wir die
Handlungen der anderen beobachten und uns an unsere eigene Erfahrung halten.
Die Wahrheit wird sich niemals in dem Durcheinander und den Anschuldigungen
der Verleumdung finden lassen.

Stell dir einfach einmal vor, du würdest deine ganze Zeit damit
verbringen, zu versuchen, die Wahrheit oder Lüge aus einer Zeitung wie dem
"Enquirer" oder "Star" (vergleichbar mit der "Bild"-Zeitung)
herauszufiltern. Das Einzige, woran die interessiert sind, sind
Verkaufszahlen. Gelegentlich bringt jemand sie vor Gericht, aber meistens
werden sie ignoriert. Genauso ist es sinnvoller, dich mit deinen eigenen
Erfahrungen zu befassen und nicht mit den Angriffen und Verwirrungen
anderer.


Eine andere Möglichleit besteht darin, die betreffende Person direkt
anzusprechen und sie zu bitten, für ihre eigenen Worte Verantwortung zu
übernehmen.

Du könntest so antworten: "Wenn das stimmt, würde ich sofort etwas
unternehmen. Das ist schlimm. Wer genau hat das gesagt? Hast du das mit
eigenen Augen gesehen? Wenn nicht, warum erzählst Du dann solche schlimmen
Sachen weiter? Warte mal eben, ich werde denjenigen, von dem Du das gehört
hast, jetzt anrufen und das sofort klären."

Meistens wird die betreffende Person dann erkennen, was sie da tut und
es mit der Bemerkung zurückziehen, so sei das nicht gemeint gewesen, es sei
nur etwas, was sie gehört habe.

Dann könntest du sagen: "Ich verstehe. Es ist halt mein Prinzip
Klatsch nicht weiter zu verbreiten. Ich schaue, was die Wahrheit ist oder
ich lasse es los. Ich will keine Zweifel wecken oder Aufregung verursachen.
Nächstes mal sei Dir also sicher, dass Du weißt, was die Tatsachen sind und
frage dich auch ,Warum will ich hierüber sprechen?'"

Es ist wichtig, direkt und klar zu sein und die betreffende Person
aufzufordern, Verantwortung für vage Aussagen zu übernehmen. Man muss es
natürlich von der Situation abhängen lassen, wann man so sprechen kann.

Eine andere Erwiderung wäre, auf gute Informationsquellen zu
verweisen. Es ist immer wichtig, gute Informationsquellen zu haben. Im World
Wide Web findet man Tatsachen und eine Menge Desinformation. Zum Beispiel
kannst du empfehlen, um herauszubekommen, wer wir wirklich sind und was wir
tun, sich die Informationen auf unseren Web-Seiten anzuschauen:
www.yogibhajan.com , www.kundaliniyoga.com , www.Ikyta.com ,
www.goldentemple.com , www.sikhnet.com (und für Deutschland: www.3HO.de ).

Es gibt noch einen weiteren Ansatz. Wenn die Umstände stimmen, kann
man ihn gegenüber Leuten verwenden, mit denen man bereits eine gute
Kommunikation hat und auch nur, wenn man die Verleumdung kennt. Greife einen
einzelnen Teil der Verleumdung heraus und zeige auf, wie verdreht er ist.
Zeige, wie der Verleumder die Tatsachen verdreht hat. Erzähle, was wirklich
passiert ist.

Meistens lohnt es deine Zeit nicht, sich damit abzugeben. Aber wenn du
dich an die Tatsachen halten und einfühlsam anstatt defensiv sein kannst,
und wenn du helfen kannst, die Verwirrung aufzulösen, ist dies eine
effektive Herangehensweise.


Welche Antwort oder Erwiderung auch immer du gibst, es geht nicht
darum, einen Kampf der Tatsachen zu führen. Es geht darum, mit welcher Würde
du der Herausforderung begegnest, es geht um Vertrauen und um den Grad
deiner Bewusstheit.


Gibt es etwas, das wir tun können, um unsere Emotionen und unser Gemüt
bei einem Verleumdungsangriff in Balance zu bringen?

Es gibt verschiedene Möglichkeiten, die Projektionen eines Verleumders
abzuwehren und aufzulösen. Wir können unser Unterbewusstsein von Konflikten
und emotionalen Reaktionen reinigen, die angesichts einer Verleumdung
aufkommen können.

Hier sind zwei Meditationstechniken, um gelassen, klar und effektiv
mit Verleumdung, Klatsch und anderen Beleidigungen umgehen zu können:

Meditation um Angriffe abzuwehren und Verleumdung zu neutralisieren
Sitze gerade. Hebe beide Hände vor dein Gesicht, die Handflächen dem
Gesicht zugewandt. Kreuze die Handgelenke, das linke ist dabei dem Gesicht
näher. Halte die Handgelenke 6-8 Inches (15-20 cm) vom Gesicht entfernt.
Atme tief ein und chante drei bis fünf mal auf einen Atemzug: Gobinde,
Mukande, Udare, Apare, Hariang, Kariang, Nirname, Akame. Fahre 11 Minuten
lang fort. Dann atme tief ein und halte den Atem, während spürst, wie du in
alle Richtungen strahlst und lichtvoll bist. Entspanne.

Meditation für emotionale Klarheit und Schutz
Sitze gerade. Atme langsam, weniger als 4 Atemzüge pro Minute, 3
Minuten lang. Folge dem Atem bewusst. Weise alle Gedanken zurück, die zu dir
kommen. Denke "Das nicht" und lass den Gedanken los. Weise gute Gedanken
zurück, schlechte Gedanken, wahre Gedanken, falsche Gedanken, alle Gedanken.
Lass sie kommen, aber sich nicht an dich hängen. Werde sehr still. Dann
chante 8 Minuten lang das Folgende, während du auf den Punkt zwischen den
Augenbrauen schaust: Aap sahaai hoaa, satche daa satchaa dhoaa, har har har.
Schließe mit einem tiefen Einatmen ab, halte den Atem, werde ein einziger
Punkt zwischen den Augenbrauen. Atme durch den Mund aus. Wiederhole diesen
abschließenden Atem drei mal.

Schlussfolgerung
Wenn du demütig, verlässlich und wahrhaftig unterrichtest, wird
Verleumdung nicht ausbleiben. Du bist am besten gewappnet, wenn du dir die
positive, feste Gewohnheiten zulegst, allen gegenüber kommunikationsbereit,
hilfsbereit und respektvoll zu sein. Entspanne dich und genieße das Spiel
des Lebens, die Wirklichkeit deiner Seele und die Schönheit der Techniken
und Lehren des Siri Guru Granth Sahib und des Siri Singh Sahib Yogi Bhajan.

Sat Nam


Brother Brahman-Atmananda

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Hans Neukomm <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DA3C8CD...@kriyayoga.com>...

> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda and to
> whom it may concern -
> including the poster HERE of the email circulating
> authored by Brother
> Brahman-Atmananda.
>
> please be precise and limit your statements to FACTS
> that you have
> WITNESSED in person YOURSELF !

We are PRECISE, Neukomm, A ZILLION TIMES MORE PRECISE THAN YOU. A fact
need NOT be witnessed in person for it to become a fact. For example
someone can know for a fact that you have eyes, ears, nose, mouth,
hands, feet and that you are a white guy. Even if he haven't
personally witnessed it. That is a FACT, isn't it? (Or are you going
to have one of your limbs amputated or have your skin dyed just to
disprove it?). That is why human beings are blessed with COMMONSENSE
(something that you obviously lack), as well as intuition. You're
CONCEPT of what is and what is not fact is VERY TWISTED, Hans. You're
an idiot.

>
> while many know you here in this news group and know
> that you like to
> lie or CREATE lies and stories and insult for no
> obvious reason at all,

Never, I never uttered a single lie, Hans. But you, you have proven
yourself to be a real liar. Here is one example:

From: hans (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-15 07:11:08 PST

commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions
- and a waste of time !
---end---

If we are to follow this statement then we are to conclude that if
Hans comments on something then it must be right. Because he said that
commenting on wrong statements is out of his intentions and a waste of
his time. But you see Hans commented on my statements again and again.
Using basic commonsense and following his own (il)logic then that
would mean that our statements are right.

The above words also connote that Hans will give no further comments.
Why? Because it is out of his intentions to comment on statements
which he view to be wrong, and besides he sees them as a total waste
of time. But do you know the real reason why? Because he want to
create this image of superiority, hence the extremely braggart,
"commenting on wrong statements is out of my intentions
- and a waste of time !" But LOOK BELOW, because after he posted the
above message Hans' couldn't resist the ITCH to post MORE!

From: hans (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-17 20:57:18 PST

Dr. Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda

there is no reason for me to further respond to any of your posts in
THIS thread. it certainly got out of YOUR self control.

silence and meditation may be best.

hans
---end---

But it was Hans who was pushed out of his own self control by THIS
thread, because after just one hour of posting the above message Hans
REPLIED AGAIN, eating his own confident AFFIRMATION that he will not
respond again.


From: Hans Neukomm (ha...@kriyayoga.com)
Subject: Re: New edition - Biography of a Yogi
Newsgroups: alt.yoga, alt.meditation, alt.zen, alt.sufi, alt.yogananda
Date: 2002-09-17 21:13:29 PST

the truth NEVER has to be proven - the truth IS - however the liar has
to rectify his lies - sooner or later in an efficient and suitable
method if ever he wants to end his cycle of reincarnation.

i can easily take FULL and eternal responsibility for all my
publications !
---end---

Now Hans, the sex-cult guru and mr. inconsistent par excellence,
didn't only eat his own pompous promise twice, he is now saying that
the truth NEVER has to be proven. But if you will just scroll a bit on
this post you will see that Hans is DEMANDING PROOF (which I will of
course address one by one). He even typed the word "proof" in
uppercase letters. Hans' is the most SELF-CONTRADICTORY person I have
ever known, and the most deceitful LIAR. Why? Simply because he has
made it his profession to lie. Hans will not eat if he will not lie.
He won't be able to afford young prostitutes if he will not lie.

>
> some may be new and have no experience and knowledge
> about you and may
> deserve FACTS - true facts and spiritual help
> instead of insults and
> gossip !

LOL I never gossip, Neukomm. All of my words are based on the
information provided in your own website.

>
> Dear Dr Daryl / Brother Brahman-Atmananda
>
> in order to proof that you KNOW what you are writing
> about, please
> provide the following details within the shortest
> possible time, and
> since you authored the below email you should have
> ALL facts instantly
> available:
>
> 1. please give a direct link to MY diksha page to
> PROOF that you at
> least know the full content and details of diksha
> given on my web site

Yes it is http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_your_wings/diksha.htm

>
> 2. please give a direct link to any or all chapters
> where i "boldly
> claim" (your words) in any PUBLIC chapter or
> publication on my website
> that Lahiri Mahasaya or any other great saint of
> past centuries is my Guru.

My pleasure, Neukomm:

Neukomm wrote:

"for example one has given MY name as the first guru - another one MY
GURUDEV LAHIRI MAHASAYA" taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/newsletter200112-4.htm

HANS NEUKOMM'S FANTASIES: LIES AND DECEIT OF AN OUTRIGHT FRAUD EXPOSED

Neukomm wrote:

"after one of my initial nirbikalpa samadhi resulting in full
god-union MY
GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA said "now god is your guru" at first I was
sad for a few seconds or minutes, then I realized how much love his
words contained. he considered myself as his disciple to be brought
back to god while being on earth - then he gave me freedom in god to
solve all and any further questions directly with god. hea realized
that he accomplished his "mission" as my guru. he still remains my one
of my closest and very best friend on earth since we have "travelled"
for thousands of years through this planet and elsewhere."

"the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace ashram is the
traditional technique as being taught by MY GURUDEVA LAHIRI MAHASAYA -
with the exception of kechari mudra - the reason to exclude kechari
mudra is explained on the initiation page and is a very valid and
absolute reason." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html
---end---
Note: Lahiri Mahasaya did teach Kriya Yoga with Kechari, this very
words of his offers another kind of proof (other than his claim of
being a direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya) , it proves his total
ignorance of Lahiri Mahasaya and Kriya Yoga.

Neukomm wrote:

"I went trough a large number of earthy experiences first. later after
my first nirbikalpa samadhi, I realized how loving this guru would
have been toward myself. my soul was asking for the exactly same guru
as before that's what I finally got, even my PREVIOUS GURU DIDN'T HAVE
ANY MORE PHYSICAL BODY HE
APPEARED TO ME AND CONTINUED TO BE MY GURU until I realized
god-union." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/answers/faq1a.htm

Neukomm described Lahiri's sickness and referred to him as "my
gurudeva":

"MY GURUDEVA GOT FOR A FEW WEEKS A TUMOR it healed quickly and he was
healthy again. with his short illness he dissolved most of the karma
of hundreds of his disciples, making it much easier to them to achieve
godunion."
---end---
the householder-incarnation of Lahiri Mahasaya was drawing to a close.
During the summer of 1895 his stalwart body developed a small boil on
the back. He protested against lancing; he was working out in his own
flesh the evil karma of some of his disciples. Finally a few chelas
became very insistent; the master replied cryptically:
"'The body has to find a cause to go; I will be agreeable to whatever
you want to do.'
"A short time later the incomparable guru gave up his body in Benares.
No longer need I seek him out in his little parlor; I find every day
of my life blessed by his omnipresent guidance." Sri Yukteswar
describing Lahiri Mahasaya's final days to Yogananda, from chapter 36
of Autobiography of a Yogi, 1946 edition
---end---
Now, Hans Neukomm will you still DENY your stupid claim of being a
direct disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya? A person whom you never met, never
knew and never knew you.
And by the way I never said that you claim any great saint of past
century to be your guru save Lahiri Mahasaya. You are being deceitful
again, mr. sex-cult guru. You have been exposed and we will
continually expose you. We are even building a page in our site
specially for you, what an honor eh? Wait for it, okay?

>
> 3. please give a direct link to any or all pages
> where i claim that the
> kriya yoga technique offered BY ME ON MY WEB SITE is
> the original FROM
> LAHIRI MAHASAYA !

My pleasure. Here it is:

Hans Neukomm: "the initation to kriya yoga offered by the cyberspace
ashram is the traditional technique as being taught by my gurudeva
Lahiri Mahasaya." taken from his official website
http://www.kriyayoga.com/faq/messages/5/5.html

I will answer the rest of this stupid, stupid message from the
sex-cult guru and criminal Hans Neukomm later. I have to attend to my
profession first. Because, unlike Hans Neukomm, I don't feed on alms.

Brother Brahman-Atmananda
http://www.onegreatpower.org

Brother Brahman-Atmananda

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extrem dumme Person, Wahrheit ist nicht Verleumdung. Everybody knows
that Hari Har Shit is only siding with the sex-cult guru because of a
personal grudge regarding my frequent criticism of his Kundalini Yoga
cult and his master, the pseudo-Sikh guru-type Yogi Bhajan;^)

"hari har singh" <hari.ha...@gmx.de> wrote in message news:<ao0mf7$nuc$1...@news.online.de>...

Premabrahmananda Swami

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Oct 9, 2002, 7:27:50 PM10/9/02
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Mr. Hans Sex-Cult Guru,

It looks as though my beloved guru has put you in your place once
again. Must he continue with his onslaught of words as he destroys
you? Or will you simply give up and admit your full-ignorance?
Either way, your karma awaits you!


Swami

hans

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Oct 10, 2002, 2:29:20 AM10/10/02
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i can easily live with my karma !

i hope and wish you will do the same - if not - you still have the
option as all - to ask for grace and mercy when karma should exceed what
can be handled with love.

god bless you too


hans

hans

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Oct 10, 2002, 2:33:11 AM10/10/02
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beloved Brother Brahman-Atmananda / Dr. Daryl


at least you have learned to search my site and use facts. and have
proven that you have read them - hence i am sure that you are on your
best way to also learn to drop insults and learn to use a language of
love in the near future toward all in all situations of life.

if you are sure you are practicing the right yoga suitable for you -
then you can be sure that you achieve the results desired by you. and
all shall be happy as you are happy.

questions and answers serve the purpose of adding what has been missing
in the chapters - but are mainly for the person who asked for as HE the
one asking or having a particular problem is the one ready for the
answer and solution.

i am happy to see that you did your homework in a rather loving way with
the exception of a few insults.

and since you are reading carefully all or most now as it appears, you
also found out the nationality of my passport as this also is mentioned
some where !


may god's love and bliss be with you


hans

hans

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Oct 10, 2002, 2:38:00 AM10/10/02
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danke fuer deine links. ich werde sie mal bei gelegenheit runterladen
zum offline lesen.

wir waren nie verloren ! aber meist ist ruhe und lieben deutlich besser
als diskussionen.

nichts in gottes schoepfung geht verloren und kein kind gottes geht je
verloren egal wie verirrt es sein mag zu einem beliebigen zeitpunkt
seines weges.

hans


hari har singh wrote:
> Haben sich da wieder 2 gefunden? ;-)
> Hans, Du musst ja ganz schön lange gebraucht haben um das alles zu tippen

> .....

Brother Brahman-Atmananda

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Oct 10, 2002, 9:07:14 AM10/10/02
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hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DA51F27...@kriyayoga.com>...

> beloved Brother Brahman-Atmananda / Dr. Daryl
>
>
> at least you have learned to search my site and use facts.

I have always been factual, Neukomm.

> and have
> proven that you have read them

Of course I have. That is why I know for sure that you are a sex-cult
guru wannabe cashing-on the spiritual gullibility of people. I was
also able to establish that you claim to be a disciple of a master who
passed away a hundred and seven years ago, someone whom you never met.
never knew, and never knew you. This makes you rank among the biggest
frauds in the world, Neukomm.

> - hence i am sure that you are on your
> best way to also learn to drop insults and learn to use a language of

No, never. Those are not insults but the TRUTH. When I say that you're
an idiot, that is the truth, there is no attempt to insult you. When I
say that you are a sex-cult guru, that is truth not insult. When I say
you're a fraud, a con artist and lowlife hustler, that is truth, not
insult.

> love in the near future toward all in all situations of life.

Attention, followers of Mr. Neukomm and prospective visitors of his
website. Observe how extremely mentally-deranged this man is. He is a
pedophile and claims to be more spiritually advanced than Paramhansa
Yogananda and even Jesus Christ. Hans' followers call him "Father".
"And do not call anyone on earth Father, for you have one Father, and
He is in Heaven." (Matthew 23:9) And think of giving not only in terms
of money but in terms of sex. Hans is a philandering husband and an
irresponsible father. He is not a true disciple of Lahiri Mahasaya (no
person with a fully functional intellect would believe him anyway) but
only claims to be so in order to appear authoritative. HE IS TOTALLY
IGNORANT OF KRIYA YOGA. The so-called "Kriya Yoga Diksha" doesn't even
remotely resemble Kriya Yoga as taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and his duly
empowered successors. Hans Neukomm is a lunatic, a criminal.


>
>
> i am happy to see that you did your homework in a rather loving way with
> the exception of a few insults.

LOL Homework? Your website? You are so conceited for someone who is so
stupid. Your belief on yourself is improportionate to what you
actually know regarding the subject matter that you claim to be an
expert of, which is, to sum it all up, almost nothing.


>
> and since you are reading carefully all or most now as it appears, you
> also found out the nationality of my passport as this also is mentioned
> some where !

"Passport"? Who was speaking about passport? I never said anything
about passport. Look at how deceitful this person is. Please go back
to all my messages pertaining to this sex-cult guru Hans Neukomm and
see if you can find any mention of the word "passport" there. He is
hallucinating again. He must be, that is called escapism. Why the need
for that? You may ask. Simple. Because he has been EXPOSED. And this
is just the beginning.


>
>
> may god's love and bliss be with you

Anyone can say that Hans. You cannot use the ole "I Love You" and "God
Bless You" trick anymore. Nah, not now that you've been exposed. It
won't work, give it up. Tell that to the marines, asswipe!

>
>
> hans

What a big joke this name "hans" have turned-out to be.

Premabrahmananda Swami

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Oct 10, 2002, 7:21:56 PM10/10/02
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Hans,

Of course I can. Those are the laws of the universe.

Love has nothing to do with karma. Karma are actions that must be
exhausted from the karma depot before one can realize his
enlightenment, which is an expanded state of consciousness, where one
begins to really live.

God's love felt during the inner experience of meditation my
temporarily ease the tides of rising karma, but still, the meditator
will go back to the world of senses until that expanded state of
consciousness has been realized. Its part of the deal.

Its the garbage in your head that prevents you from dealing with your
karma properly.

Swami


hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DA51E40...@kriyayoga.com>...

hans

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Oct 19, 2002, 5:20:46 AM10/19/02
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A fairy tail ...
*****************


...... about a man's quest and search for diksha-page on the cyberspace
ashram - and how it all started and ended happily.
have fun reading it !!! ;-))

keep in mind - it's a fairy tale

nothing really serious ... !

once there was a person - we may call that person a man to make the
fairy tale simpler - apparently using a PC connected to the www from
within england ... an island in northern europe. cold foggy and full of
mysteries ... such
as a ....


all the rest on the page below

- it's big ( about 115 kB + pics ) and takes a while to be loaded into
your browser -


http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/fairy_tale_about_a_man_and_the_web.html

god bless you all


hans


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> personality at last. All my doubts were cleared up

Brother Brahman-Atmananda

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Oct 19, 2002, 8:13:41 PM10/19/02
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hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DB123EE...@kriyayoga.com>...

> A fairy tail ...
> *****************

Hans Neukomm, its "tale", fairy tale, not "tail", you dimwit!

hans

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Oct 21, 2002, 1:36:32 AM10/21/02
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One day ... early morning of a sunny summer day ...


A little boy wanted to meet God. He knew it was a long trip to where God
lived, so he packed his suitcase with Twinkies and a six-pack of root
beer and he started his journey.

When he had gone about three blocks, he met an old man. He was sitting
in the park just staring at some pigeons. The boy sat down next to him
and opened his suitcase. He was about to take a drink from his root beer
when he noticed that the old man looked hungry, so he offered him a Twinkie.

He gratefully accepted it and smiled at him. His smile was so pleasant
that the boy wanted to see it again, so he offered him a root beer.

Again, he smiled at him. The boy was delighted! They sat there all
afternoon eating and smiling, but they never said a word.

As it grew dark, the boy realized how tired he was and he got up to
leave, but before he had gone more than a few steps, he turned around,
ran back to the old man, and gave him a hug. He gave him his biggest
smile ever.

When the boy opened the door to his own house a short time later, his
mother was surprised by the look of joy on his face. She asked him,
"What did you do today that made you so happy?"

"He replied, "I had lunch with God." But before his mother could
respond, he added, "You know what? He's got the most beautiful smile
I've ever seen!"

Meanwhile, the old man, also radiant with joy, returned to his home. His
son was stunned by the look of peace on his face and he asked, "Dad,
what did you do today that made you so happy?"

He replied, "I ate Twinkies in the park with God." However, before his
son responded, he added, "You know, he's much younger than I expected."

Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a
listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all
of which have the potential to turn a life around. People come into
our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime. Embrace all equally!

Send this to people who have touched your life in a special way. Let
them know how important they are. Have lunch with God!


hans

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Oct 22, 2002, 7:19:06 AM10/22/02
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beloved ones

it is time to think about how easy it is to confuse YOU by darkness on
this planet. how easy it is to poison YOUR HEARTS
and HOW EASY it is to create disharmony within you and cause you to
RE-ACT wildly instead of ACTING LOVINGLY !!

how many days or hours have you NOW been busy wasting your valuable time
to reading and listening and thinking about junk
and keeping you AWAY from YOUR actual personal YOGA and spiritual
practice even from loving your very direct beloved family
and living partners !!! keeping you away from YOUR spiritual progress
.... !

it's about time for many of YOU to LEARN to PRAY to GOD for HELP and
GUIDANCE and listen with your heart while
USING common sense whenever you read. some of you may well truly NEED a
shepherd to safely guide you trough all the storms
of darkness here on earth back to GOD. but how can you find or get one
if war is all you want - verbal war, mental war,
spiritual war, ...

a shepherd shall be given to you when YOU are ready to START TO LEARN TO
LOVE !!!


but what shall YOU do right NOW ?? crucify another person - and another
and another one ... ???

NO !!! YOU should THANK them for HELPING YOU to realize how WEAK YOU are
on YOUR LOVE and on your path to GOD.
they may have created much dust and wind but a storm is different and
may still be ahead of you if you continue to
STOP LOVING ALL.


if you all like peace now and forever - leave all others in peace and
fully focus on YOUR very own problems.

but what causes people to act like B-A and many others ??


as YOU progress you may find out from within. or may be one day you may
find another new chapter about the answer
to such question.


for now my advice - START to LEARN to love and start to REALLY practice
YOUR yoga and YOUR spiritual practice
- and if you have none - search for one. HOW ?

P R A Y to GOD and ask to find what is BEST for YOU. then do it !


Christmas in YOUR hearts - for YOU all

http://www.kriyayoga.com/free/music/mypreferred/christmasinourhearts.mp3

and for those who may want to say "i love you" or "i am sorry" to
someone out in this NG or elsewhere in the world - now before Christmas time

http://www.kriyayoga.com/pd/LoveCards.html


and THEN it may well be time for LOVING and KRIYA YOGA or YOUR YOGA or
YOUR path again

god bless you all
i love you
hans

Brother Brahman-Atmananda

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Oct 22, 2002, 8:40:03 PM10/22/02
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Neukomm,

It was you who have wasted so much time just to THREATEN me and show
how you supposedly IPd me and how easy it would be for you to trace my
actual location. Now that you have totally replaced that extremely
long and berserk page with a supposedly "loving" one <vomits>, you
think that you're off the hook. Sorry, we have taken a very clear
snapshot of your "fairy tail" (your spelling, dum-dum) and would
include it in a very nice site that is soon to come specially for
you:)

All of you who have actually checked that so-called "fairy tail" when
Hans Neukomm first advertised it in this ng, go here
http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/fairy_tale_about_a_man_and_the_web.html
and see how he COMPLETELY altered it. Witness demonic deception in
action. Remember, it was "big" before (see how small it is now). In
Neukomm's own words:

hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DB123EE...@kriyayoga.com>...
> A fairy tail ...
> *****************
>

> - it's BIG ( about 115 kB + pics ) and takes a while to be loaded into
> your browser -

>
>

> ...... about a man's quest and search for diksha-page on the cyberspace
> ashram - and how it all started and ended happily.
> have fun reading it !!! ;-))
>
>
>

> once there was a person - we may call that person a man to make the
> fairy tale simpler - apparently using a PC connected to the www from
> within england ... an island in northern europe. cold foggy and full of
> mysteries ... such
> as a ....
>
>
> all the rest on the page below
>
>

> http://www.kriyayoga.com/newsletters/fairy_tale_about_a_man_and_the_web.html

hans <ha...@kriyayoga.com> wrote in message news:<3DB5342...@kriyayoga.com>...

Premabrahmananda Swami

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Oct 23, 2002, 12:21:51 AM10/23/02
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> RE-ACT wildly instead of ACTING LOVINGLY !!

Hey, the "I Love You" cult leader is at it again, spreading his "I
Love You" message.

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