...but the File Browser, so far, is super sweet. Seems fast and all the tag info in an easy to access form.
Thanks,
Paul
.... and you can run automated tasks and actions from within FB - or
simply click on a choice of images within the folder and just run the
taks or actions on just those files.
--
Carol
(Posted from the UK)
Robert
The Photoshop CS installer will install both Photoshop and ImageReady - there is not Custom Install option.
there is not Custom Install option.
$?*?&??#??%!! Can you say bloatware? I guess you can manually delete the IR components after the install...
For those who don't need IR, that is a good question. Does the uninstaller for Photoshop CS provide a "Remove Image Ready Only" option, or is there at least a separate uninstaller for Image Ready? Adobe should have provided a custom install since we all know that ImageReady isn't used by all Photoshop users and to force the installation of ImageReady does indeed smack of "bloatware".
Daryl
Robert
I'm guessing the same thing...perhaps if PS and IR are more tightly integrated, sharing more of the same DLLs and such, then maybe that allows Adobe to better optimize the efficiency of each at the expense of requiring that both apps always be installed. Of course, if both must be installed, that nearly begs the question to me of why not just throw the whole bundle into one application. I'm sure the answer to that would be that the resource utilization by a single application is still less than that required by the sum of both. Still, if installing PS alone were to require 175MB of space but with IR that jumped to 250MB (arbitrary numbers here), then I suspect many people would enjoy leaving that extra 75MB free for other needs if they have no need for IR. But, with disk space so cheap these days, even that argument starts to lose merit.
When I started using PS and IR both, I wondered for a while why it wouldn't just be better to lump all the functionality into PS itself, ignoring the resource loading issues. With time however, I found that I liked the idea of having a more task-specific workspace way of approaching things...with Photoshop being my editing workspace and ImageReady the "web-centric" workspace.
I'm sure there are pros and cons for each approach, individually installable apps versus not, and Adobe just went with the choice that they projected would work best for the majority of users. Fortunately I'm in the category of those who do use both apps, so I've no real complaint against the integrated installer.
Daryl
And you can always manually delete ImageReady.
BTW, I DO read the manuals. every page. but then i'm getting the standalone ps cs tomorrow. 1st thing. WITH the manuals. neener. neener. neener! :Ş
As for the printed manuals - that would quadruple the weight of the box, and greatly increase the cost of manufacturing. They did a lot of marketing studies and found that nobody read the bloody manuals anyway. Printed manuals are available for purchase, if you really need them.
I can appreciate that the installer for the suite would be complex, particularly if each app had the custom installation available. However other applications grouped as suites typically offer the capability to selectively install or uninstall a given application. MS Office is a prime example, but it is hugely more complex than I think would need to be for the Creative Suite. Norton SystemWorks is similar as well. I don't know what approach is taken for Macromedia MX Suite, but I would have thought that basically any suite of applications would always allow selective install/uninstall. I'm surprised that PS/IR CS as a stand-alone product doesn't maintain the custom installation as has been done in the past unless the argument about tighter integration really is the reason.
As for a manual deletion of ImageReady, if it remains installed at the root level of the PS installation as has been done in the past, then how would one know what other files could also be deleted? On the other hand, if IR is now installed into its own subdirectory with all IR-only associated files, if such files do exist, then perhaps deleting the subdirectory would remove even more of the "undesired bulk". But, that still leaves a question about registry entries and perhaps other scattered files also, is that right? In other words, manual deletion doesn't as likely ensure a clean uninstall as hopefully a product-oriented uninstaller would. Granted, not all uninstallers are 100% clean, but at the very least they do simplify the uninstallation process.
Although I'm not affected any myself, since I'd be using both applications, I'm just being the devil's advocate here. Nonetheless, if I understand your implied comment that the Creative Suite doesn't provide for selective installation of the apps, then that just adds yet another thing that puzzles me about Adobe's decisions on this round of product development.
The first thing that surprised me was the omission of printed manuals in the Suite, which I personally think is absurd. Whoever made that decision must not appreciate the value of having a printed user's manual at their side for reference while enjoying a less cluttered screen. If everyone had dual monitors, then perhaps a PDF file open on the 2nd screen would suffice, but for students and new users of Photoshop a printed manual remains a valuable resource in my opinion. That's OT from the rest of this thread, but I just thought I'd vent a little...not at you, but Adobe in general. I think lack of manuals for the suite warrants a much more irritated user community than does the new activiation process.
By the way, thanks for both your help and other informative comments throughout the forum.
Regards,
Daryl
Thanks for the answer regarding IR...that definitely explains away any need for concern about it being co-installed with PS7.
I understand what the marketing studies say, it's just an unfortunate thing to see happen and I'll bet a set of manuals don't come inexpensively either. Then again, as I'd see students as the primary area of concern, perhaps their educational discounts can also the the user manuals at a substantially reduced cost.
Dave,
True enough about hard drives and any concern about deleting 20-30MB files. I think bloatware arguements don't carry much weight these days.
Robert
Besides there are vastly better third party books for Photoshop that are
better. Besides you can then choose the type of book and the writing style
you want. That is the advantage to having a couple hundred books on the
subject available. The hard part is stopping at just one. They are like
potato chips, you ain't happy until you have the all.
As for ImageReady, well I don't use it often but with 900GB of hard disk
space I don't think I will loose any sleep of over what ImageReady takes up.
Robert
How do you know they didn't reduce the price? If manuals had been included, the price point for the upgrades lacking them probably would have been higher.
Some times a reduction is merely an increase deferred. In making the decision not to include manuals, the company was able to not raise the price by the amount it costs to produce them.
I'm not a big fan of the manuals. I've only had a few occassions to open
any of them. But the one's I have aren't far from me.
I did quite a bit of thinking before ordering the CS and one of the
issues was the manuals. But once I saw a demo of version que, I figured
if I needed a printed manual (remember, they are include in PDF and HTML
format) I'd buy the ones I really wanted.
At this stage, I'm pretty confident that I can live without them.
In case you haven't seen it, here's a link to the manuals for purchase:
http://www.adobe.com/store/products/special.jhtml?id=catAdobeUserGuides
Personally, I think the price is a bit on the high side and I don't
think I'll be buying them.
And keep in mind that the individual apps do ship with the manuals.
Bob
Daryl
Macromedia Studio MX allows for a full installation of all apps in the suite at once, or custom installations of individual apps. Either way you install them, you can uninstall any particular app separately.
Puh-lease, Corel has accomlpished this same task for years now with the
installer for the Corel Graphics Suite (DRAW, PhotoPaint, Trace, etc.).
Full customization of install options for each portion of the app,
plugins/filters, fonts, etc.
If Corel can do it Adobe certainly should be able to, right?
Brian