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AcoldBrew

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Aug 1, 2003, 5:39:38 PM8/1/03
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My class A has 2 A/C units. The front one has been used the most. The rear
one is 11.5K BTU, I think. Front is 13K Btu. Anyway, the rear unit puts out
more "frigid" air. I have been told that I may need to clean the coils on the
front unit, even though they appear clean. The units have no valves for freon
charging. Is this a common practice for the Coleman? Anyone cleaned the coils
and had an improvement in the cold air? The inside filter is kept clean, so
air flow is no problem. Thanks for any info. The coach is a 2000 Damon
Challenger, and we (me, mom, the 3yr old, and 6 mos old) are having a blast
"roughing it".

Cass

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Aug 1, 2003, 6:09:41 PM8/1/03
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The unit has an outside coil called the condenser. It can get road grime or
dust, feathers, dirt or anything else than can hinder the transfer of the
heat that it has collected from dissipating to the outside air. Soap and
water can clean many units without the need of anything further. Sometimes
corrosion on the fins and tubes in that condenser can inhibit heat transfer
as well. Then, a caustic solution is used but it can damage the trailer's
finish if not judiciously rinsed WHILE APPLYING.

The inside coil is the evaporator and cooking smoke, tobacco smoke and other
things can coat its coil, too. Same procedure to clean it. Plain isopropyl
alcohol in a sprayer can be used to cut through grease in both condenser and
evaporator.

Cass


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Cass

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Aug 1, 2003, 6:16:35 PM8/1/03
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Yes, a closed or sealed system is the norm. There is nothing to leak when
built that way unless, of course, something gets punctured or ruptures.

Cass

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Chris Bryant

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Aug 1, 2003, 6:35:07 PM8/1/03
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Most certainly- clean both the inside and the outside coils. Coleman
recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
while, and hose off.
Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning the
outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
outside coils.
These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the time,
if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.

--
Chris Bryant
http://bryantrv.com


AcoldBrew

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Aug 1, 2003, 10:29:53 PM8/1/03
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Cass stated:>The unit has an outside coil called the condenser. It can get road

grime or
>dust, feathers, dirt or anything else than can hinder the transfer of the
>heat that it has collected from dissipating to the outside air. Soap and
>water can clean many units without.....

Thanks Cass, I will look into your suggestions. P.

AcoldBrew

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Aug 1, 2003, 10:36:54 PM8/1/03
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>Most certainly- clean both the inside and the outside coils. Coleman
>recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
>while, and hose off.
> Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning
the
>outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
>careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
>outside coils.
> These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the
time,
>if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.
>
>--
>Chris Bryant
>http://bryantrv.com
>

Thanks Chris, this is probably all the unit needs. It kept the rig comfortable
last week at Myrtle Beach, and cooooold at night, so there is probably not a
need for refridgerant. P.

Cass

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Aug 2, 2003, 12:00:52 AM8/2/03
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Brew,

There is no way for refrigerant to leak. There are no seals that could
potentially fail and let Freon out of the system.

Automotive compressors can and do leak as they are not sealed. The engine
drives the compressor whereas the compressor in your unit is driven by an
internal electric motor. Be glad.

If you clean the interior coil (evaporator) and you get things wet, it won't
hurt anything. It will just be messy. Naturally, have the power unplugged
from the RV while doing this so you don't become bacon.

Cass

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Mike Erb

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Aug 2, 2003, 7:05:50 AM8/2/03
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In article <44vmiv0c0upvvss31...@4ax.com>, Greg Surratt <glsu...@att.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:35:07 GMT, Chris Bryant
><bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
>>while, and hose off.
>> Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning
> the
>>outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
>>careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
>>outside coils.
>> These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the
> time,
>>if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.
>

>Chris, can you make any recommendation to open up the aluminum fins
>that have been "flattened" - as in a tree branch dragged across them?
>
>Greg
Hi Greg,

I'm not Chris but what I use is a small screwdriver (flathead) and
carefully straighten out the flattened fins. They are extremely fragile so be
careful! I have seen devices that look like "combs" but have never tried
them.

Mike

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Fred in AZค

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Aug 2, 2003, 7:40:53 AM8/2/03
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Greg Surratt <glsu...@att.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:35:07 GMT, Chris Bryant
><bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>

>>recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
>>while, and hose off.
>> Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning the
>>outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
>>careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
>>outside coils.
>> These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the time,
>>if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.
>

>Chris, can you make any recommendation to open up the aluminum fins
>that have been "flattened" - as in a tree branch dragged across them?
>
>Greg

Greg.....

Get what is know as a "fin comb"

You can find them at alot of places......probably the least expensive place is
Harbor Freight Tools....about $5.......is a hard nylon wheel with various comb
sizes attached to a screwdriver like handle....

You can use it to straighten out just about any coil fins that may need
straightening......be it your RV AC, home AC, automotive radiators, etc.

Fred in AZ

Fred in AZค

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Aug 2, 2003, 7:59:54 AM8/2/03
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Greg Surratt <glsu...@att.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:35:07 GMT, Chris Bryant
><bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>

>>recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
>>while, and hose off.
>> Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning the
>>outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
>>careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
>>outside coils.
>> These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the time,
>>if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.
>

>Chris, can you make any recommendation to open up the aluminum fins
>that have been "flattened" - as in a tree branch dragged across them?
>
>Greg

Greg.....here's a URL for a fin comb (radiator straightening tool).....$5

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=37892

Fred in AZ

Neon John

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Aug 2, 2003, 2:21:05 PM8/2/03
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:57:00 GMT, Greg Surratt <glsu...@att.net> wrote:


>Chris, can you make any recommendation to open up the aluminum fins
>that have been "flattened" - as in a tree branch dragged across them?
>
>Greg

You can get a little kit of plastic fin combs for under $20 from most any HVAC
supply company. Johnstone, for example. Some car parts places might also
have 'em. The comb is fairly thick so it actually makes the fins flat instead
of just straightening them. there are probably 10 different fin pitches in
use so the kit comes with that many combs.

In an emergency you can bend the tines of a fork to the proper spacing, maybe
filing them a little in the process. Not nearly as good as a comb but OK when
the fins are totally wiped closed.

John

---
John De Armond
johngdDO...@bellsouth.net
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
Cleveland, Occupied TN

Cass

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Aug 2, 2003, 2:52:46 PM8/2/03
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Thank goodness that I am not Chris but there is what is know as a 'fin
comb'. You can get one via Harbor Freight, and a/c supply house, J.C.
Whitney, an auto parts house and maybe even Wal-Mart.

Cass


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> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:35:07 GMT, Chris Bryant
> <bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>

> >recommends Formula 409 to clean the coils- simply spray on, let sit for a
> >while, and hose off.
> > Cleaning the "inside" coils is somewhat more problematic than cleaning
the
> >outside coils- it involves removing the sheet metal shroud and being very
> >careful not to run water down inside the rig, so I would start with the
> >outside coils.
> > These units hold so little refrigerant (under 1 lb) that 99% of the
time,
> >if they have a leak they will simply not cool at all.
>

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