R-406a availability
John De Armond
>YESSS !!! Don't let this thread die - where and when will/is R-406a
>available ???
R-406a is available now from Monroe Airtech in Indianapolis, IA
800 424 3836. I'm not sure what the current price is but I know
it is competative with R-12. It should get cheaper as they advance
from pilot plant production.
Anyone can buy the stuff right now. I'm not sure but I believe
the impending rules changes in November will affect R-406a along
with all other refrigerants. I suggest you place your orders now.
Monroe ships UPS.
Folks, We had a major role in turning this situation around. To be
sure, the work by George and the folks at Monroe Airtech did the
bulk of the work, as did getting the industry lackys from the Bush
admin out of EPA (if there is even a single flicker of light in this
current administration, this is it) but Usenetters played a critical
role. I KNOW that copies of the sample edition of my PE magazine
were handed out to all members of congress. And I know that
articles from this and other rec.autos.* groups were printed out
and distributed both within EPA and to congress. My sources confirm
that our arguments were carefully read and considered in the process
of reversing the Bush administration (ne, MACS') 's ban on alternatives.
Ours was the most pervasive information not produced by one of the
interested parties avaliable to them. Everyone involved reach around
and pat yourselves on the back for a job well done. And the couple
of MACS shills who occasionally slither out of the ooze to regurgigate
the party line, well, I certainly hope you have a hot and expensive
summer.
I think this is a perfect example of how to use the net to effect
political change. There were no mail bombings that I know of, no
activists screaming at the top of their lungs. Just a number of
people relentlessly presenting the facts and countering the
propaganda. Grassroots politics at its finest.
John
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Wes Fujii
: I'm not sure but I believe
: the impending rules changes in November will affect R-406a along
: with all other refrigerants.
You mean that they are going to allow R-406a as an acceptable mobile
air conditioning substitute? (Great! Now that I've stockpiled 60
pounds of R-12) That's wonderful news, especially if they approve the
leak-stopping type, too!
Wes Fujii
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Tom Graham
>R-406a is available now from Monroe Airtech in Indianapolis, IA
>800 424 3836. I'm not sure what the current price is but I know
>it is competative with R-12. It should get cheaper as they advance
>from pilot plant production.
>
>Anyone can buy the stuff right now. I'm not sure but I believe
>the impending rules changes in November will affect R-406a along
>with all other refrigerants. I suggest you place your orders now.
>Monroe ships UPS.
>
at end of 1995 (?) do you???
Tom Graham
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John De Armond
>John De Armond (j...@dixie.com) wrote:
>: I'm not sure but I believe
>: the impending rules changes in November will affect R-406a along
>: with all other refrigerants.
>You mean that they are going to allow R-406a as an acceptable mobile
>air conditioning substitute? (Great! Now that I've stockpiled 60
>pounds of R-12) That's wonderful news, especially if they approve the
>leak-stopping type, too!
Uh, no. The rules change that puts ALL refrigerants under the green
card rules. See, this little charade with banning blowoff cans while
permitting larger quantity sales, and exempting the lower ODP class
refrigerants from controls was just a diversion, a tactic designed to
get people used to having the camel's nose under the tent. The whole
camel's fixing to stroll in. The real goal of the industry, to create a
legal monopoly enforced by licensing like Drs and morticians and barbers
have, is about to happen. In the fall, ALL refrigerants will require a
green card to buy. Can't have any DYIers fixing their own home ACs, now
can we? Not when some licensed shop will do it for hundreds or
thousands more. Wholesalers have been trying to enforce the
monopoly for years by requiring business license numbers, sales tax
numbers and other obstructions as a condition of sale. The free
market guaranteed that this monopoly would have holes in it so
the trade groups turned to the oldest monopoly of all - the
government.
This brings up some interesting questions. Is propane a refrigerant
or a fuel? Butane? Isobutane? All have assigned R- numbers
are all are good refrigerants. Are we gonna have to have a green
card to fill up our grill tanks?
It gets worse. It will become illegal to discharge ANY refrigerant
to the atmosphere regardless of its ODP. That means that once
you pass some propane through your AC, it must be captured and
recycled. If the rules as written are enforced, one must inventory
and be prepared to account for every pound of said "refrigerant".
That aching in your ass is your wallet throbbing.
Dennis R. Conley
>>the impending rules changes in November will affect R-406a along
>>with all other refrigerants. I suggest you place your orders now.
>>Monroe ships UPS.
>>
>OH NO - you don't mean that production of R-406a must stop like R-12
>at end of 1995 (?) do you???
Yes, the Nov 15 sales restriction applies to R-406a. No, they do not have
to stop production in '95. Airtech told me that they plan to continue
production for at least 10-15 years.
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