Genocide's Origin & The Jewishness of It! No Denying the Facts!
Allan Matthews
In article <3389B3...@spam-not.net>, gsc...@spam-not.net wrote:
[Usual delusional "tavish" rantings snipped]
>How many movies show Jewish Bolsheviks in as bad a light as Nazis are
>depicted? None!
Obviously, "tavish" here hasn't watched many movies about the Bolsheviks or
the Soviet Union.
>Even the movie Dr. Zhivago showed the Bolshevik
>Revolution as a romantic event!
No it didn't. It depicted a romance in the middle of a brutal revolution and
civil war. The primary Bolshevik characters were the Doc's brother (Alec
Guiness) and the much feared husband of his mistress. Neither of these
characters is portrayed in a good or sympathetic light.
> When will we ever see Nazism depicted from the romantic point of view?
Why do you admire the Nazis so much that you'd want to see them depicted in
this dishonest manner?
allan
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Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <3389B3...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury, posting under the
forged ID 'gsc...@spam-not.net', wrote:
> You will never see me fawn any guilt feelings for what Nazis did because
> the Jews were doing the same things and a lot worse for hundreds of
> times longer! What religion has at its core that fellow humans are
> beasts meant for slaughter, slavery, and exploitation? Judaism is the
> only one I know!
Please notice that Scott Bradbury is, once again, lying about who he is.
Given that he hasn't the decency to make his libelous charges under his own
name, I doubt that anyone is likely to give any credence to his latest
spew.
JGB
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Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
Gunther Schiller
MGirsch251 wrote:
>
> Abuisneineh wrote:
>
> > SOURCE: THE TORAH, BOOK OF JOSHUA</H3>
>
> Uh, the Book of Joshua is NOT part of the Torah moron. But this MAJOR
> oversight by you merely demonstrates your complete and total lack of
> knowledge of the Jewish religion. Nice try, but you have exposed your
> ignorance. Big surprise
Whether or not the Torah has the Book of Joshua, the Book of Joshua does
chronicle the total destruction of entire Gentile populations as would
make any Nazi Commander envious of the details. Decapitating people,
burning cities along with all the inhabitants would make any "nazi"
envious! Read Joshua chapters 6 to 11 and try to keep count of all the
cities totally razed by the chosen.
I do believe that Deuteronomy is in the Torah and look in Deuteronomy
20: 10-16 to see the Genocidal Command given!
BTW The great Jewish temple that Solomon built was on the backs of
gentiles working under the lash of their Jewish task masters! Not one
single Jew did physical labor- it was only Gentiles as documented in 1
Kings 10: 15-23. While you are at look and see that it was only Gentiles
who were to slave for Jews as detailed in Leviticus 25: 39,44-46.
If all the above about domination and execution of Gentiles by Jews
sounds Communistic then examine the following:
Further evidence that Jews envision having it all:
Deuteronomy 6: 10,11 "When the LORD, your God, brings you
into the land which he swore to your fathers, Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob, that he would give you, a land with fine,
large cities that you did not build, with house full of
goods of all sorts that you did not garner, with cisterns
that you did not dig, with vineyards and olive groves that
you did not plant; and when, therefore you eat your fill....
[No wonder Jews think the world owes them a living! The
gentiles were to be the providers!]
Isaiah 60: 9-12, 16 Isaiah 61:5,6,9 Isaiah 62:1 "All the
vessels of the sea are assembled, with the ships of Tarshish
in the lead, to bring your children from afar [Diaspora?]
with their silver and gold, in the name of the LORD, your
God, the Holy One of Israel, who has glorified you.
Foreigners [Gentiles] shall rebuild your walls, and their
[Gentile] kings shall be your attendants: Though I struck you
in my wrath, yet in my good will I have shown you mercy. Your
gates shall stand open constantly; day and night they shall
not be closed but shall admit to you the wealth of the
[Gentile] nations, and their kings, in the vanguard. For the
[Gentile] people or kingdom shall perish that does not serve
you; those [Gentile] nations shall be utterly destroyed. You
shall suck the milk of [Gentile] nations, and be nursed at
royal breasts... Strangers [Gentiles] shall stand ready to
pasture your flocks, foreigners [Gentiles] shall be your
farmers and vinedressers. You, yourselves, shall be named the
priests of the LORD, ministers of our God you shall be called.
You shall eat the wealth of the [Gentile] nations and boast of
riches from them. All who see them shall acknowledge them as a
race [Jewish Racist Supremacy] the LORD has blessed.
Note: The words in brackets [ ] were added by me to bring out the point!
* * * * *
You will never see me fawn any guilt feelings for what Nazis did because
the Jews were doing the same things and a lot worse for hundreds of
times longer! What religion has at its core that fellow humans are
beasts meant for slaughter, slavery, and exploitation? Judaism is the
only one I know!
How many movies show Jewish Bolsheviks in as bad a light as Nazis are
depicted? None! Even the movie Dr. Zhivago showed the Bolshevik
Revolution as a romantic event! When will we ever see Nazism depicted
from the romantic point of view?
Gunther Schiller
Thule
Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
>
> In article <3389B3...@spam-not.net>, Scott Bradbury, posting under the
> forged ID 'gsc...@spam-not.net', wrote:
>
> > the Jews were doing the same things and a lot worse for hundreds of
> > times longer! What religion has at its core that fellow humans are
> > beasts meant for slaughter, slavery, and exploitation? Judaism is the
> > only one I know!
>
> Given that he hasn't the decency to make his libelous charges under his own
> name, I doubt that anyone is likely to give any credence to his latest
> spew.
>
> JGB
>
Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
"anti-semitic",why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
Jeffrey G. Brown
> Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
> the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
> "anti-semitic",why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
> why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
> FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
And another Brave Aryan Warrior (TM) boldly speaks out from behind the
comforting anonymity of his white sheet with the two eyeholes...
Gregory Taylor
In article <338A3D...@race.com>, Thule <o...@race.com> wrote:
>Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
>the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
>"anti-semitic"
Actually, Bradbury is the one here who appears to lack the simple integrity
and courage of his convictions that real believers practice as a matter of
course. It would appear that you've got a similar problem. Here in the real
world, most of us wish to identify with the views we hold; to do otherwise
seems to me to suggest simple moral cowardice, and to contribute to the view
that racists such as yourself are afraid of the light, preferring to adopt
risible labels for themselves and to hide behind anonymous postings. Such
cowardice is quite at odds with the swaggering White Power Ranger persona,
as I'm sure you'll agree.
,why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
>why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
>FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
You poor moron. You really don't know anything about either the Talmud,
the Mishnah, or anything at all - much less its contents or status. If
you're merely parrotting that hoary old bit of antisemitic nonsense that's
been around, then I'd commend
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/talmud/
to your attention. It deals in a rather straightforward way with what
I imagine you're prattling on about. Of course, actually doing the
"read and comprehend" stuff might be a little bit of a stretch for you.
Happy reading.
--
When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html
Jeffrey G. Brown
In article <5mfdou$s...@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com>,
gta...@shell1.msn.fullfeed.com (Gregory Taylor) wrote:
> Given that Bradbury seems to claim some familiarity with scripture, his
> cowardice and dishonesty must be a particular burden to him.
I have to disagree with you, Greg. I personally am convinced, after months
of watching Bradbury lie day after day, that he couldn't find his
conscience with both hands and a flashlight. If it's not dead, it must be
whimpering piteously in a dark and long-forgotten corner of the latrine
that lies just behind Bradbury's forehead.
Brian Smith
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>In article <338A3D...@race.com>, o...@race.com (a forged ID) wrote:
>> Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
>> the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
>> "anti-semitic",why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
>> why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
>> FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
>And another Brave Aryan Warrior (TM) boldly speaks out from behind the
>comforting anonymity of his white sheet with the two eyeholes...
Alright, asshole. Why don't you give me your phone number and
address, right now?
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
http://www.codoh.com/rudolf/rudreport/rudreport.html
Brian Smith
http://www.natall.com
"A civilization which tolerates the existence of Kaplan and his filthy
business should be burned to the ground." I said. "We should make
a bonfire of the whole thing and then start over fresh "
_The Turner Diaries_. p. 85
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\|/ Towards a New Consciousness. \|/
| A New Future. |
A New People.
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Gunther Schiller
Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
> In article <338A3D...@race.com>, Thule <o...@race.com> wrote:
> >Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
> >the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
> >"anti-semitic"
Gregory makes his personal attack and totally ignores the premise:
> Actually, Bradbury is the one here who appears to lack the simple integrity
> and courage of his convictions that real believers practice as a matter of
> course. It would appear that you've got a similar problem. Here in the real
> world, most of us wish to identify with the views we hold; to do otherwise
> seems to me to suggest simple moral cowardice, and to contribute to the view
> that racists such as yourself are afraid of the light, preferring to adopt
> risible labels for themselves and to hide behind anonymous postings. Such
> cowardice is quite at odds with the swaggering White Power Ranger persona,
> as I'm sure you'll agree.
Gunther replies:
Rather than try to refute my premise, which you can't, you attack me
personally!
Does this famous quote describe you Gregory?
"I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
opposing premise!" Doc Tavish
I'd bet that you would condemn Jesus also for keeping a low profile too!
The Jews had to pay some traitor thirty pieces of silver to have his
location revealed and him pointed out! They then arrested Jesus and
while questioning him in the Sanhedrin the Jews slapped his face and
spit on him. His true followers weren't worried necessarily about who he
was- they were more interested in what he had to say! See Luke 22: 63-65
to see for yourself what Jesus' enemies the Pharisaic Jews did to him
once they had him in their custody. If Jews did this to the Son of God
then why should I believe that their minions would treat me any better
for showing what the Bible says of Jewry? You are the fool, not I- for I
follow in my master's example and footsteps. You are allied with those
that deny him- the anti-Christs! Prove me wrong. I dare you.
Now try to refute my thoroughly scriptural post instead of attacking me
like a virulent Pharisee! Here it is one more time. Try to prove my
premise specious!
You will never see me fawn any guilt feelings for what Nazis did because
the Jews were doing the same things and a lot worse for hundreds of
times longer! What religion has at its core that fellow humans are
beasts meant for slaughter, slavery, and exploitation? Judaism is the
only one I know!
How many movies show Jewish Bolsheviks in as bad a light as Nazis are
depicted? None! Even the movie Dr. Zhivago showed the Bolshevik
Revolution as a romantic event! When will we ever see Nazism depicted
from the romantic point of view?
Gunther Schiller
************ END **************
Gregory if that post is too difficult for you to refute then try this
Doc Tavish post which deals with the exploitation of Gentiles by Jews!
JEWS ONLY HELP JEWS
tom...@cyberdude.com wrote:
>
> In article <19970524021...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> mgirs...@aol.com (MGirsch251) wrote:
> > YOu Mr. Wong, are a complete moron AND a racist ignorant asshole.
[Please notice how one side always makes personal assaults! Tavish]
Tom Wong wrote:
> NO, YOU ARE. ITS INTERESTING HOW YOU GET SO TOUCHY WHEN SOMEONE EXPOSES
> THE TRUTH.
Tavish replies:
I did not see the original post but I do support Mr. Wong's belief that
Jews Only Help Jews because their foundations of their religion
indicates that they should help only themselves and exploit Gentiles in
the process! Here is my scriptural proofs that should also be in the
Torah (in most instances):
(Words in brackets [ ] I added for emphasis.)
Loaning money:
"He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment.. the
foreigner [Gentile] you may press for payment..." Deuteronomy 15: 2,3
"You must not make your brother pay interest, interest on money,
interest on food, interest on anything on which one may claim interest.
You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay interest but your brother [fellow
Jew] you must not make pay interest." Deuteronomy 23: 19,20
Indebtedness:
"And in case your brother [fellow Jew] grows poor alongside you and he
has to sell himself to you, you must not use him for slavish service. As
for the slave man and your slave girl who become yours from the
[Gentile] nations that are round about you people, from them you may buy
a slave man and a slave girl. And you must pass them on as an
inheritance to your sons after you to inherit as a possession to time
indefinite. You may use them as workers, but upon the sons of Israel,
you must not tread, the one upon the other, with tyranny." Leviticus 25:
39,44,46 Notice that Jews only worked their Gentile "slaves" with
tyranny BUT not their indebted Jewish "slaves!" Gentiles were to be
passed down as any other livestock as an inheritance but notice that
Jews were not- they were to be released after six years of indebtedness
as described in Deuteronomy 15: 12,13 which says: "In case there should
be sold to you your brother, a Hebrew or a Hebrewess, and he has served
you six years, then in the seventh year you should send him out from you
as one set free... you must not send him away empty handed." No Gentile
had any such provision of release- it looks as if Jews Only Help Jews!
Slavery & Genocide:
"In case you draw near to city to fight against it, you must announce to
it terms of peace. And it must occur that if it gives a peaceful answer
to you and it has opened up to you, it must occur that ALL the people
found in it should become yours for forced labor, and they must serve
you.
But if it does not make peace with you and it actually makes war with
you and you have to besiege it, you must strike every male in it with
the edge of the sword. Only the women and the little children and the
domestic animals and everything that happens to be in the city, all of
its spoil you will plunder for yourselves; and you must eat the spoil of
your enemies.
That is the way you will do to all the cities very far away from you
that are not of the cities of these nations. It is only of the cities of
these people that you must not preserve anything alive." All scripture
taken from Deuteronomy 20: 10-16 Jews were to give the Gentiles a choice
of being their slaves and servants or be killed! Another case of Jews
Only Helping Jews! For an excellent chronicle of the wide range of
genocide by Jews against Gentiles you must read Joshua chptrs 6 to 11
and you will see that they are indeed a religion based on genocide and
exploitation of those that weren't of their race at the founding of
their religion. No lie- its fact! How many "Anne Franks" were killed by
Jews ranging throughout all of their history from the cities detailed in
Joshua right up to what they did in Russia and now with Palestinians?
How many corpses were burned when they looted and burned cities as
detailed in Joshua 6 to 11? If you try to reason that all of this
happened thousands of years ago then that is a cop out. They have done
the same things in the past 100 years as in Russia and Eastern Europe,
they did the same to 1st Century Christians too!
Did you all know that the great Jewish Temple that Solomon built was by
forced labor of Gentiles? Not one Jew was to break a sweat either
because they were the taskmasters or those that laid on the lash to
encourage the work! Don't believe me? Where here it is!
This is rather longish and my fingers are sore but I will give all the
scripture that you may look up and see and a few of the key verses. Here
goes (all from 1 Kings 9: 15-23) "Now is the account of those
conscripted for forced labor that King Solomon levied to build the House
of Jehovah... As for all the people [Gentiles] remaining over from the
Jebusites (etc.) Solomon kept conscripting for slavish forced labor.
AND THERE WERE NONE AMONG THE SONS OF ISRAEL THAT SOLOMON CONSTITUTED AS
SLAVES; for they were the princes, adjutants, and chiefs... these were
the chiefs over the work of Solomon."
The above sounds just like reading about what the Jewish Commissars did
in Bolshevik Russia doesn't it? You have the Sons of Israel elite and
task masters and the Gentile kulak slaves that do the bidding of their
Jewish masters. Be a slave or die! One last reading of some of Biblical
Jewish domination and exploitation of Gentiles. This post will not be
complete without it! Excuse me if I copy and paste this but I am tired
of typing.
-------------------END---------------
To any and all just go ahead and make jest of Tavish but Jews still hold
these writings as applying to them. One only has to look at how they
treat Palestinians, how they run Wall Street etc. We, the Gentiles,
are standing in their way to owning the world.
Sincerely yours all (except the Children of Belial),
Doc Tavish aka Tavish The True
Please open your Bible and read all these scriptures for your self. You
owe this to your fellow Gentiles and your children too that these truths
may be made more widely known!
BTW Jews were allowed to beat their Gentile slaves- read Exodus 21:
26,27. How else were the Jews going to get the Gentiles to work at
forced labor? People do know the meaning of forced labor!
-----END of Tavish & Schiller------
Thule continues:
> ,why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
> >why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
> >FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
Gregory Taylor still browbeats as a true Pharisee:
> You poor moron. You really don't know anything about either the Talmud,
> the Mishnah, or anything at all - much less its contents or status. If
> you're merely parrotting that hoary old bit of antisemitic nonsense that's
> been around, then I'd commend
>
> http://www1.us.nizkook.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/talmud/
>
> to your attention. It deals in a rather straightforward way with what
> I imagine you're prattling on about. Of course, actually doing the
> "read and comprehend" stuff might be a little bit of a stretch for you.
>
> Happy reading.
>
> --
> When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
> past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
> word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
> Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html
Gunther replies:
Tavish once had a WORT on his ass Gregory butt he had it surgically
removed! :-)
Michael
On Wed, 28 May 1997 17:55:47 -0500, Gunther Schiller
<gsc...@spam-not.net> wrote:
<entire post snipped>
An excellent, excellent, post Gunther. Some of us have tried this
with the Nizkook cult. Now let's see if they are serious about
wanting to 'honestly' debate.
natio...@juno.com
Michael
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Gregory Taylor
Someone who most certainly isn't Gunther Schiller, but rather a spineless
coward unworthy of the faith he claims writes:
>I'd bet that you would condemn Jesus also for keeping a low profile too!
>The Jews had to pay some traitor thirty pieces of silver to have his
>location revealed and him pointed out! They then arrested Jesus and
>while questioning him in the Sanhedrin the Jews slapped his face and
>spit on him. His true followers weren't worried necessarily about who he
>was- they were more interested in what he had to say!
My goodness - your reading of Scripture is about as odd as your other views.
If we take the Gospel reports of Jesus' response to the crowds who came
for him by night as true, then he pointed out (quite rightly) to the crowds
that he spent his days in full view of everyone teaching in the Synagogue,
and wondered aloud why he was not seized then. It would seem to me that
Jesus is arguing that the righteous man's deeds are done in the daylight
in view of all. This is a biblical lesson you'd do well to take to heart.
Is your confidence in your faith and your own beliefs such that you must
spend your time inventing fictitious names for yourself and generally
conducting yourself like someone ashamed to be identified with his views?
Or are you operating under some dispensation which views cowardice and
deception as one of the new "fruits of the Spirit?" If so, this fruit crop
is rotten.
>If Jews did this to the Son of God
>then why should I believe that their minions would treat me any better
>for showing what the Bible says of Jewry? You are the fool, not I- for I
>follow in my master's example and footsteps. You are allied with those
>that deny him- the anti-Christs!
I don't recall Scripture teaching that you have any right to expect to
be treated fairly by the world - if anything, the message is quite the
opposite - one is counted blessed when persecuted for the sake of the
Good News. I'm still rather curious about your fallacious equation which
would tar *all* Jews for the actions of the Sadduces and Pharisees: after
all, isn't Jesus himself - as a descendant of the house of David the King -
himself a Jew? And what of the righteous Jews who followed him (one of
whom seems to have written one of the Gospels, if I'm not mistaken). If
we judge you by the fruits of the spirit, I've seen a cowardly wretch
whose spirit is choked with the filth of hatred - a condition I am
considerably more likely to ascribe to those who call the father of lies
their master. And, as the Scripture says, "There is nothing hidden that
shall not be revealed."
>Now try to refute my thoroughly scriptural post instead of attacking me
>like a virulent Pharisee! Here it is one more time. Try to prove my
>premise specious!
Well, in order to actually do so, I'd have to see a clearly formulated
premise - something you don't seem too adept at. One distinguishing
feature of a well-formulated view is some grasp of the materials which
inform your view (knowing the contents of the Torah would probably be a
start. Several of your fellow travellers seem to demonstrate an equally
sorry grasp of the Talmud and Mishnah, as well). If you'd like to try
to make an argument to the effect that the Old Testament passages you've
hurt your little wrists typing in are somehow unique in terms of positing
a uniquely Jewish tendency to use imprecatory language in writing their
own history or in behaviour which was, at its time, unusually barbaric,
then I'd expect you to demonstrate some reasonable grasp of the history
and literature of the period. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that
you've not the foggiest idea of what those sources you'd have to be
familiar with to make your case would be (hint: there are styles and
segments of the Old Testament texts that bear a curious resemblance to
other surviving NON-Hebrew texts from the period. What does it tell you
when you discover that someone appears to have cribbed a particular locution
from an earlier text?). Further, I note you've been particularly selective
in what you've quoted. Surely an astute reader of the Old Testament such
as yourself would be quite familar with the images of devastation and
deprivation and the fate of Jewish populations also mentioned. It would seem
to me that the best I could imagine is that you demonstrate a marked
tendency to be ignorant of the history and literature which would back
your claim of any unusual barbarism on the part of the Jews (even if it
*were* true), and that you possess a remarkably selective ability to quote
from the Old Testament record. Even the devil can quote Scripture.
>If all the above about domination and execution of Gentiles by Jews
>sounds Communistic, then examine the following:
You must certainly be troubled by the description of the early church
as recorded by St. Luke in the book of Acts, then (you know, all that
"all property in common stuff"). Still I always appreciate the opportunity
for you to demonstrate that your lack of integrity and mental acuity isn't
confined to your ability to take responsibility for your views - it appears
to be manifest in your analytical and critical abilities as well.
So tell me, what text(s) *would* you use to illustrate the contemporary
writings of Canaanite or Babylonian culture inthe Old Testament period?
That's a crucial part of "proving" that the Jews are particularly noteworthy
for either their barbarism or the manner of locution.
Don't anyone out there hold your breath waiting for our anonymous coward
on this one. And no fair telling him about why the "moral equivalency"
argument might be fallacious. Why spoil his fun?
Rejoice always,
Gregory
Philip Kasiecki
In article <5mg4oc$ctp$1...@news01a.micron.net>,
Brian Smith (sbr...@micron.net) wrote:
: jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
: >In article <338A3D...@race.com>, o...@race.com (a forged ID) wrote:
: >> Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet
: >> have the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for
: >> I tell you why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY
: >> BOOK THE TALMUD FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
: >And another Brave Aryan Warrior (TM) boldly speaks out from behind the
: >comforting anonymity of his white sheet with the two eyeholes...
: Alright, asshole. Why don't you give me your phone number and
: address, right now?
Alright, ignorant idiot. What does that have to do with this? The
original poster posted from a fake e-mail address. Jeffrey posted from a
legitimate e-mail address. He didn't say that the poster has to give
out his phone number and address; if he did, you would have a legitimate
request.
*sigh* As usual, Smith/Stele misses the point.
Phil Kasiecki
--
Philip T. Kasiecki
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Northeastern University Class of 1999
"None of us alone can save the nation or the
world. But each of us can make a positive
difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
-Cornel West, "Race Matters"
Doc Tavish
Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
> In article <jeff_brown-ya024080...@news.zippo.com>,
> Jeffrey G. Brown <jeff_...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >Please notice that Scott Bradbury is, once again, lying about who he is.
> >Given that he hasn't the decency to make his libelous charges under his own
> >name, I doubt that anyone is likely to give any credence to his latest
> >spew.
> Given that Bradbury seems to claim some familiarity with scripture, his
> cowardice and dishonesty must be a particular burden to him.
Tavish replies:
You're a bold one to make slander. I let the scripture speak and I
reposted it below for all the lurkers to see and compare for themselves
as to whether I am a coward and dishonest. I noticed that you
conveniently let my post expire before you replied to it and I see how
you left not one part intact. I also see Jeffrey G. Brown's name above
and this is his method of refutation. Letting a post expire and then
chopping it up and coming back in the same manner as you! Big intellect.
Try refuting the message for a change!
> He cannot
> but be aware of God's opinion of those who are unwilling to take responsibility
> for their epistemic committments, unless he's reading an entirely different
> copy of Holy Writ than the one I have here before me (the King James, in
> this case. I'm using it to track down a particular locution, as it happens).
Tavish replies:
I mainly used a New World Translation that any one can get from
Jehovah's Witnesses when they come to visit and some from a Catholic
version. Sorry no King James scriptures quoted.
<.sig lines deleted>
* * * * * *
The original post that was replied to and that, at my end, appears to
have expired:
Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
> In article <338A3D...@race.com>, Thule <o...@race.com> wrote:
> >Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
> >the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
> >"anti-semitic"
Gregory makes his personal attack and totally ignores the premise:
> Actually, Bradbury is the one here who appears to lack the simple integrity
> and courage of his convictions that real believers practice as a matter of
> course. It would appear that you've got a similar problem. Here in the real
> world, most of us wish to identify with the views we hold; to do otherwise
> seems to me to suggest simple moral cowardice, and to contribute to the view
> that racists such as yourself are afraid of the light, preferring to adopt
> risible labels for themselves and to hide behind anonymous postings. Such
> cowardice is quite at odds with the swaggering White Power Ranger persona,
> as I'm sure you'll agree.
Gunther replies:
Rather than try to refute my premise, which you can't, you attack me
personally!
Does this famous quote describe you Gregory?
"I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I know who is telling
the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed- the liar always
attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always attacks the
opposing premise!" Doc Tavish
I'd bet that you would condemn Jesus also for keeping a low profile too!
The Jews had to pay some traitor thirty pieces of silver to have his
location revealed and him pointed out! They then arrested Jesus and
while questioning him in the Sanhedrin the Jews slapped his face and
spit on him. His true followers weren't worried necessarily about who he
was- they were more interested in what he had to say! See Luke 22: 63-65
to see for yourself what Jesus' enemies the Pharisaic Jews did to him
once they had him in their custody. If Jews did this to the Son of God
then why should I believe that their minions would treat me any better
for showing what the Bible says of Jewry? You are the fool, not I- for I
follow in my master's example and footsteps. You are allied with those
that deny him- the anti-Christs! Prove me wrong. I dare you.
Now try to refute my thoroughly scriptural post instead of attacking me
like a virulent Pharisee! Here it is one more time. Try to prove my
premise specious!
MGirsch251 wrote:
>
> Abuisneineh wrote:
>
> > SOURCE: THE TORAH, BOOK OF JOSHUA</H3>
> Uh, the Book of Joshua is NOT part of the Torah moron. But this MAJOR
> oversight by you merely demonstrates your complete and total lack of
> knowledge of the Jewish religion. Nice try, but you have exposed your
> ignorance. Big surprise
Tavish had written:
Whether or not the Torah has the Book of Joshua, the Book of Joshua does
chronicle the total destruction of entire Gentile populations as would
make any Nazi Commander envious of the details. Decapitating people,
burning cities along with all the inhabitants would make any "nazi"
envious! Read Joshua chapters 6 to 11 and try to keep count of all the
cities totally razed by the chosen.
I do believe that Deuteronomy is in the Torah and look in Deuteronomy
20: 10-16 to see the Genocidal Command given!
BTW The great Jewish temple that Solomon built was on the backs of
gentiles working under the lash of their Jewish task masters! Not one
single Jew did physical labor- it was only Gentiles as documented in 1
Kings 10: 15-23. While you are at look and see that it was only Gentiles
who were to slave for Jews as detailed in Leviticus 25: 39,44-46.
If all the above about domination and execution of Gentiles by Jews
Gunther Schiller
************ END **************
JEWS ONLY HELP JEWS
-------------------END---------------
To any and all just go ahead and make jest of Tavish but Jews still hold
these writings as applying to them. One only has to look at how they
treat Palestinians, how they run Wall Street etc. We, the Gentiles,
are standing in their way to owning the world.
Sincerely yours all (except the Children of Belial),
Doc Tavish aka Tavish The True
Please open your Bible and read all these scriptures for your self. You
owe this to your fellow Gentiles and your children too that these truths
may be made more widely known!
BTW Jews were allowed to beat their Gentile slaves- read Exodus 21:
26,27. How else were the Jews going to get the Gentiles to work at
forced labor? People do know the meaning of forced labor!
-----END of Tavish & Schiller------
Thule continues:
> ,why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
> >why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
> >FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
Gregory Taylor still browbeats as a true Pharisee:
> You poor moron. You really don't know anything about either the Talmud,
> the Mishnah, or anything at all - much less its contents or status. If
> you're merely parrotting that hoary old bit of antisemitic nonsense that's
> been around, then I'd commend
>
> http://www1.us.nizkook.org/ftp.cgi/antisemitism/talmud/
>
> to your attention. It deals in a rather straightforward way with what
> I imagine you're prattling on about. Of course, actually doing the
> "read and comprehend" stuff might be a little bit of a stretch for you.
>
> Happy reading.
>
> --
> When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
> past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
> word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
> Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html
Gunther replies:
Tavish once had a WORT on his ass Gregory butt he had it surgically
removed! :-)
All that Gregory can do is call people morons etc. - big deal!
Gregory Taylor
I trust you've all noticed the conspicuous silence on the part of Mr.
Bradbury and his imaginary bilious pals with respect to any sort of
familiarity with any documents or history which might be used to buttress
his twisted assertions that "genocide" is some kind of uniquely Jewish
invention. Rather, it would appear (and we note this with *considerable*
*shock* and *surprise* :-) ) that Mr. Bradbury is about as pig-ignorant
on this matter as he appears to be on nearly everything else. If he proves
true to type, I expect to see a switch in topic about now....
Pity - I was looking forward to quoting from Gilgamesh and the Self-laudatory
Hymn of Inana and Her Omnipotence, too. The truth is that if "Tavish" actually
knew anything at all about the texts he's laboriously typing in, he'd
certainly not choose them - they're pretty much of a piece with all kinds of
religious documents from the Fertile Crescent and the Middle East which
have survived (as various Biblical scholars and scholars of antiquity have
pointed out since the days of the Graff-Wellhausen theories of Pentateuchal
authorship at the end of the last century). Further, his silence might also
imply the notion that he's actually got no familiarity with *any* of the
"history" and "proof" he's cobbling together - rather's he's merely parrotting
a string of flimsy "prooftexts" handed him by his Kansan-cult pals. As we
say in Pair-EE, "quelle surprise!" Merely more lies in the service of the
father of lies. He's Baal'ed (so to speak) again.
Gregory Taylor
Yo, Bradbury. Lots of heat, little light. I'll try this again,
since you seem to have a comprehension problem.
The texts you've so selectively provided us with have two
problems. First, since you've only excerpted the more
imprecatory passages from the OT and managed to *somehow*
omit those texts which discuss the judgement and humiliation
of the children of Israel, once might suspect that you were
engaged in presenting a rather one-dimensional view of how
Israel saw itself (as expressed in the texts of the time).
You've got a secondary problem, and it's a bigger one - so
large, apparently, that you're either too dense to figure
it out, or unable to respond. In order to "prove" that the
Jews were somehow unique in their views of themselves and
those contemporary cultures around about them (and remember
that we're talking several different cultures and empires),
you'd actually have to compare the selective passages you've
pasted together with what we know of the *other* literature
from those other folks. If you were, for example, to have
omitted to mention that the religious texts of those deities
worshipped in Canaan which have survived and come down to us
*also* make the same claims for the future promised to them
by Ishtar/Baal/Enki/etc. and *also* record the brutality of
their divinely-justified deities/authors, then we would probably
conclude that you have no ground for your claim except that
it is in keeping with your antisemitic bias set. Since, ah...
that *cannot* be the case (snicker), I'm inquiring what sort of
familiarity you've got with the history of the Old Testament
period - Babylon, Canaan, the Moabites, the Hittite empire,
you name it. Because if you *don't* then you're just blowing
smoke and you've proved only that you've got enough neurons
to type.
For example, here's a little number from Canaan describing Anat
and her assistance against the forces of Mot. Anat is the Canaanite
war goddess (the sister of Ba'al, whose name you may know. Since our cowardly
pal Bradbury seems interested in quoting OT texts which fall under
the general category of "imprecatory" in some lame attempt to suggest
that the JOOOS "invented" genocide, I expect that he might find this
particular fragment (from Harris Lenowitz' translation from the original
Ugaritic that appears in "Origins: Texts from the Ancient Mediterranean"
edited by Lenowitz and Doria [Anchor Press/Doubleday, New York 1976]
starting on page 278) a trifle problematic. It would appear that the
Canaanites seem to have thought of a vengeful God utterly obliterating
(her) enemies, too (earlier than the quoted texts Bradbury gives us
as "proof", actually):
(begin Canaanite text)
The virgin Anat/camouflages her divine aura/and puts on/the smell of
goats and rabbits.
She closes both the doors/of the palace of Anat/She catches up to the
troops/in the mountain's slit.
In the valley/between the cities/How she slays them!
She cleaves the shore folk/she smashes the western man/All around her/
heads-a swarm of locusts/hands-like crickets, as many/soldiers' hands
as thorns on cactus
Anat bundles up her prize/she loads up the heads/on her back/She ties
the hands/on her belt
And, returning from the valley/her knees slosh through/the soldiers'
blood/the soldiers' flesh/up to her hips/She prods the captives/with
the back of her bow
And Anat comes home/unsatisfied with her slaughters/in the valley
She fights on, indoors/She sets up/Chairs for soldiers/tables for soldiers/
stools to be soldiers/How she slays them!
She smites them/then stands back/her liver full of laughter/her heart
filled with joy/overjoyed/for her knees wade in/soldiers' blood/soldiers'
flesh/up to her hips.
When she has finished/fighting in the house/lunging between the tables/
she is full/and she rubs her hands/in the soldiers' blood.
She pours the rich oil/into a basin/and she washes/her hands/Virgin Anat/
washes/her fingers
The Sister of the peoples/washes/her hands in the blood/of the soldiers/
her fingers in the gore/of the soldiers.
(end of Canaanite text)
Hmmm. Seems a trifle similar, and it predates those wascawwy JOOOS
that our poor cowardly wretch Bradbury claims "invented" genocide.
In fact, some scholars claim that these texts were known to and
*influenced* those writers who collected and assembled the texts that
our sorry antisemitic interlocutor has hurt his little wrists typing
in in the first place. So, who's surprised to discover that Bradbury
is pig-ignorant when it comes to anything resembling a little OT-period
history? (no hands are raised).....
I hope this helps to clarify my position somewhat. While it's
clear that the texts Bradbury is bleating about as "proof"
say what they say, you need more than that to make the extravagant
claim that the Jews *invented* genocide - you need historical
context. I know that all this judeonegroid stuff about "he who
asserts must prove" and evidence and logic is a pestilence to
cowardly antisemites such as Bradbury, but hey. God created
logic and evidence to train the faithful, niet waar?
Rejoice always,
Gregory
Angus Scrimm McTavish
Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
> Yo, Bradbury. Lots of heat, little light. I'll try this again,
> since you seem to have a comprehension problem.
>
> The texts you've so selectively provided us with have two
> problems. First, since you've only excerpted the more
> imprecatory passages from the OT and managed to *somehow*
> omit those texts which discuss the judgement and humiliation
> of the children of Israel, once might suspect that you were
> engaged in presenting a rather one-dimensional view of how
> Israel saw itself (as expressed in the texts of the time).
Tavish replies:
Your first whine was they weren't King James!
> You've got a secondary problem, and it's a bigger one - so
> large, apparently, that you're either too dense to figure
> it out, or unable to respond. In order to "prove" that the
> Jews were somehow unique in their views of themselves and
> those contemporary cultures around about them (and remember
> that we're talking several different cultures and empires),
> you'd actually have to compare the selective passages you've
> pasted together with what we know of the *other* literature
> from those other folks. If you were, for example, to have
> omitted to mention that the religious texts of those deities
> worshipped in Canaan which have survived and come down to us
> *also* make the same claims for the future promised to them
> by Ishtar/Baal/Enki/etc. and *also* record the brutality of
> their divinely-justified deities/authors, then we would probably
> conclude that you have no ground for your claim except that
> it is in keeping with your antisemitic bias set. Since, ah...
> that *cannot* be the case (snicker), I'm inquiring what sort of
> familiarity you've got with the history of the Old Testament
> period - Babylon, Canaan, the Moabites, the Hittite empire,
> you name it. Because if you *don't* then you're just blowing
> smoke and you've proved only that you've got enough neurons
> to type.
Tavish replies:
So now you want to leave the Bible entirely now to prove your erroneous
premise! How interesting that you switch hit. I must have thrown you a
real curve! :-)
Tavish replies:
The Canaanites aren't even a force to be reckoned with today BUT the
people, the Talmudists are, and they are very antagonistic toward
Christianity!
All of this only shows me that you waste time and words
intellectualizing excuses for the peccadilloes the chosen have recorded
themselves. Each and every scripture I quoted stands on its own as any
person of reasonable understanding can see!
> Hmmm. Seems a trifle similar, and it predates those wascawwy JOOOS
> that our poor cowardly wretch Bradbury claims "invented" genocide.
> In fact, some scholars claim that these texts were known to and
> *influenced* those writers who collected and assembled the texts that
> our sorry antisemitic interlocutor has hurt his little wrists typing
> in in the first place. So, who's surprised to discover that Bradbury
> is pig-ignorant when it comes to anything resembling a little OT-period
> history? (no hands are raised).....
>
> I hope this helps to clarify my position somewhat. While it's
> clear that the texts Bradbury is bleating about as "proof"
> say what they say, you need more than that to make the extravagant
> claim that the Jews *invented* genocide - you need historical
> context. I know that all this judeonegroid stuff about "he who
> asserts must prove" and evidence and logic is a pestilence to
> cowardly antisemites such as Bradbury, but hey. God created
> logic and evidence to train the faithful, niet waar?
>
> Rejoice always,
> Gregory
> --
> When I pronounce the word Future,/the first syllable already belongs to the
> past./When I pronounce the word Silence,/I destroy it./When I pronounce the
> word Nothing,/I make something no nonbeing can hold./ (Wislawa Szymborska)
> Gregory Taylor WORT-FM URL:http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html
--------END-------
The original post that Gregory dodges 9he can still only attack me
instead of saying the scriptures I supplied are in error. Noticed he
originally complained that I wasn't using a King James version and now
he goes off on a different track entirely and sets his King James Bible
aside! Liberals never cease to amaze me in their arrogance!):
Tavish replies:
Where is my post Gregory? I do not see one bit of it left! Is this reply
of your's a refutation of my premise? No it can't be because I don't see
any replies made by you to my premise! Is this reply of your's just a
personal attack on me? Yes because I don't see anything that would prove
other wise! Below is a passage that Jeffrey G. Brown loves to quote out
of context. See if you can perceive the deeper meaning of it! Here it
is:
"I am tired of seeing people get attacked for speaking the truth and the
hecklers not being able to prove their point other than scorn or
ridicule. Liberals can't refute the truth so all liberals instead
attempt to make the truth bearer into a buffoon hoping to draw the
public's attention away from the message! I will tell you a secret and I
hope that you learn from it! This is my original- "If I hear something
being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not cognizant of,
therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and conduct. I
know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics employed-
the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller always
attacks the opposing premise!" "
Which category do you fall in Gregory?
Here is my original and untarnished post for all the lurkers to see and
appreciate. I wish to quote one more scripture before I resubmit the
first posting. Jesus said: "I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which
all YOUR opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute." Luke
21: 15 A fine example of this is Acts 6: 9-12 and try reading Acts 7:
51-58 Both of these show typical responses shared by your side when they
can supply an answer. These are very good examples lurkers- be sure to
look them up! I know Gregory won't! :-) He's too obstinate of heart!
Subject:
Genocide's Origin & The Jewishness of It! No Denying the
Facts!
Date:
Mon, 26 May 1997 10:58:46 -0500
From:
Gunther Schiller <gsc...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The McTavish Family Enterprises (Reginald's Butler)
Gunther Schiller
------END-----
BTW Gregory here are a few more scriptures for you to ponder and try to
change the meaning of to support you cause! :-)
These are enough for you Gregory! I don't want to make your head reel
with all of this inspired truth! Before you try to chop this one to
pieces and make personal attacks against me- remember this- I archive!
Tavish The True
BTW Gregory I posted this to your compatriot Jeffrey G. Brown- I make
you the same offer!
Subject:
Jeffrey G. Brown- a typical plotting Pharisee!?
Date:
Thu, 29 May 1997 10:36:19 -0500
From:
Doc Tavish <tav...@spam-not.net>
Organization:
The McTavish Family Enterprises
CC:
jeff_...@bigfoot.com
Let us look at the evidence that Jeffrey is a plotting Pharisee. Below
is a post that he made and notice what he said.
Subject:
Re: The Tavish Entities
Date:
Sun, 25 May 1997 22:31:57 -0400
From:
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
In article <33894d9e...@news.phoenix.net>, Scott Bradbury, posting
under the forged ID 'klex...@ix.netcom.com', wrote:
> Which person's word will
> all of you take; a homosexual activist's or a man who has publicly
> shown you what God's word really says?
Jeffrey G. Brown said:
Please notice that Scott Bradbury is, once again, lying about who he is.
Given that he hasn't the decency to make his libelous charges under his
own name, I doubt that anyone is likely to give any credence to his
latest spew.
Tavish replies:
I am not the second coming of Jesus so don't get the BATF and the rest
of the "jack booted" Clinton thugs to come back to Texas and gas and
burn me the way they did David Koresh.
I can only go by the wisdom of my master- Jesus Christ! Remember all the
instances in which he told people NOT to reveal him or make him known?
Yes he was in the public arena just as I am in it now BUT his enemies
did not really know his true whereabouts! This is why they had to pay a
traitor thirty pieces of silver to lead them to where Jesus was located.
Of all the people that listened to Jesus and those that accepted him
they were content on what he had to say! None inquired of his
whereabouts. Only those that saw him as a threat had concern over his
whereabouts. The point being that two types of people exist- those that
listen and receive what is said with good tidings and those that ignore
and fail to examine the truths and seek to destroy the messenger! I know
which type you are Brown!
Peace be with all except for the anti-Christs which are the Children of
Satan. John 8: 44
Jeffrey post your telephone number and address and let us verify it. Put
up or shut up- I called your hand and I raise you fifty Pharisee!
schreiber
Gregory Taylor wrote:
>
Pure obfuscation.
You criticize Tavish for choosing only the parts of the Bible that
present his case and then you proceed to quote an obscure Caananite text
rather than counter-examples from the Bible. One of the key points that
Tavish drives home is that fiendish Jewish behavior has a long history
and is spelled out in the Old Testament, their untouchable holy book.
Refute Tavish with Biblical exerpts and save the filigree for another
argument.
rbdwsn
Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Juergen Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Gunther Schiller wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Is there any reason at all why you posted this to soc.culture.german? I
> > sure don't see one...
>
> Well may be because you aren't interested in how your nation is still
> being milked for reparations. There are always the willfully blind among
> every group thast thinks they can make unpleasant ideas go away by
> ignoring them! If you don't like my material then don't read it. This is
> commonly known as being selective- your criteria would therefore be
> different than mine!
> Tavish The True
>
> Truth can sometimes be ugly but realities should be faced and lessons
> learned!
>
> Here are the details:
> 9Edited for brevity)
>
> Here is my original and untarnished post for all the lurkers to see and
> appreciate. I wish to quote one more scripture before I resubmit the
> first posting. Jesus said: "I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which
> all YOUR opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute." Luke
> 21: 15 A fine example of this is Acts 6: 9-12 and try reading Acts 7:
> 51-58 Both of these show typical responses shared by your side when they
> can supply an answer. These are very good examples lurkers- be sure to
> look them up!
>
> Genocide's Origin & The Jewishness of It! No Denying the
> Facts!
> Date:
> Mon, 26 May 1997 10:58:46 -0500
>
>
Doc, remember Genesis 19 and the cities in the plain? How Jahway burned
the homoes in Sodom and Gamorrah. That was Jewish genocide at its best
and earliest vintage. Surely they invented it and in this particular
case, let's give the devil his due, it wasn't a bad idea. But all
kidding aside, Genocide is the absolute possession of the jew not only
because they invented and practiced it ruthlessly and still do, but even
more compelling is the fact that they can milk trillions out of us
stupid sentimental goyim and end up with world dominion by simply
inventing their own Holocaust on TV.
Regards,
Bob Dawson
>
> These are enough for you Gregory! I don't want to make your head reel
> with all of this inspired truth! Before you try to chop this one to
> pieces and make personal attacks against me- remember this- I archive!
>
> Tavish The True
>
> > --
> > Juergen Hubert
> > HUB...@gawein.physik.uni-erlangen.de
> >
> > "Sometimes I do stupid stuff, and I don't even know why...
> > ...as if my body were controlled by some demented, sadistic
> > puppet-master..."
> > -- Bernard Bernoulli
> > "Well, we all feel that way sometimes."
> > -- Weird Ed Edison
> > in: "Day of the Tentacle"
Doc Tavish
These are enough for you Gregory! I don't want to make your head reel
Brian Smith
gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
Look at "tough guy" Gord "courageously" defending the holohoax while
enjoying full immunity from ADL-Jew kommissars and fellow travellers
who slander, harrass, monitor, and even get dissidents fired from
their jobs for "political incorrectness" and "anti-semitism." My,
what a risk you take, Gord, using your *real* name to defend the
holohoax! Where did you find such "bravery", Gord?
Like I said before Gordie: leave your address and phone number, tough
guy. Just name the place, and if it's within reasonable driving
distance we'll see who's chickenshit: okay, Nizkook pansy? I promise
I won't tear your dress but your mascara indeed might get smudged!
Place address and phone number here, "tough guy" Gordie-poo---->
Juergen Hubert
Doc Tavish wrote:
>
> Juergen Hubert wrote:
> >
> > Gunther Schiller wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Is there any reason at all why you posted this to soc.culture.german? I
> > sure don't see one...
>
> Well may be because you aren't interested in how your nation is still
> being milked for reparations.
We are? Sorry, I didn't notice.
> There are always the willfully blind among
> every group thast thinks they can make unpleasant ideas go away by
> ignoring them!
Of course, it's only that - an idea, and nothing more.
> If you don't like my material then don't read it. This is
> commonly known as being selective- your criteria would therefore be
> different than mine!
> Tavish The True
>
> Truth can sometimes be ugly but realities should be faced and lessons
> learned!
Of course! That's why we learn about the Third Reich in school!
They have?
> they did the same to 1st Century Christians too!
They were hardly alone.
And about the other stuff that happened thousands of years ago: I
seriously doubt that other people were behaving better at that time -
including my own ancestors.
John Morris
In <5mvqc3$2v3$1...@news01a.micron.net>, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote:
[snip]
>Like I said before Gordie: leave your address and phone number, tough
>guy. Just name the place, and if it's within reasonable driving
>distance we'll see who's chickenshit: okay, Nizkook pansy? I promise
>I won't tear your dress but your mascara indeed might get smudged!
The National Alliance posts a refinement to its definition of
historical methodology.
--
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
--
The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
Lloyd James
On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 22:54:09 -0700, rbdwsn <rbd...@top.monad.net>
wrote:
Another antisemitic Christian. A gathering no doubt.
====================================================
"A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the
Jews as a 'race.'"
Roth, C., Oxford University Reader in Jewish Studies, 1939-1964,
in: "Jews", "Collier's Encyclopedia", 13: 574, 1991.
====================================================
Lloyd James
On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:49:49 -0500, Doc Tavish <tav...@spam-not.net>
wrote:
<big snip>
A Christian antisemite. How strange. How unusual.
=====================================================
CHRISTIAN ANTISEMITISM
Over the last twenty years a growing body of Christian opinion
has suggested that the answer lies in certain Christian source texts.
For example, in "The Holocaust as Interruption" (Edinburgh: T. &
T. Clark, Ltd., 1984) Dr. E. Florenza (Professor of New Testament
Studies) & Dr. D. Tracy (Professor of Philosophical Theology) say
that, "Christian biblical theology must recognise that its
articulation of anti-Judaism in the New Testament ... generated the
unspeakable sufferings of the Holocaust."
Drs. A.L. & R.E. Eckhardt (the latter a Methodist minister) say
the same. They write that within the, "New Testament ... the
defamation of the Jewish people ... constitutes in and of itself an
incitement to corporate murder", "Long Night's Journey into Day",
Wayne University Press, 1988. They make specific reference to the
Holocaust as an example. See also Eckhardt, A.R., "Jews and
Christians", Indiana University Press, 1986.
In "Top Ten Profs" (Schwanger & Miller, The Philadelphia
Enquirer, 21 09 1986) Professor David Efroymson (Chair of the
Department of Religion at a leading Catholic university) admits that
there is a "direct line" from the Greek Testament (New Testament) "to
the Holocaust".
The book within the New Testament that has attracted especial
attention is the Gospel of John. Anyone reading this Gospel will soon
know who the "good guy" is and who are the alleged villains. It is
difficult for many people to read it without becoming hostile to the
Jews. The Church Fathers found it to be the best source of
anti-Jewish quotations in the Greek Testament. John's Jesus portrays
Christians as the beneficiaries of all that is positive and good
(light; truth; spirit and life). In contrast, the Jews belong to the
realm of Satan; death; falsehood; flesh and darkness.
John's Gospel is obsessed with "the Jews". Thus "Jew" or "the
Jews" is mentioned 71 times in John, but only 5 times in Matthew; 6
times in Mark and 5 times in Luke. At least 35 of John's references
are antisemitic.
The Jews are portrayed as persecutors of Jesus (5:16). They
disapprove of him (6:41); seek to murder him (7:10); are blind to his
teaching (7:31); claim that he has a demon (8:52) and stone him
(8:59).
John's Gospel uses "the Jews" as a blanket term that obliterates
the essential distinctions seen in the Synoptic Gospels (i.e. Matthew,
Mark and Luke). Note how, for example, as the tension is wound up in
chapter 9, "the Pharisees" (a specific term) become "the Jews" (an
indiscriminate term).
According to John's Gospel, the Jews are satanic (8:44). This
has had a tremendously negative impact on the Christian psyche.
Drawing directly on John's Gospel, the Nazis incorporated the satanic
image of the Jew into their antisemitic propaganda.
John's Gospel abolishes what is sacred for Judaism and replaces
it with "Christ". Everything that was held to be important by "the
Jews" is dismissed in John as insignificant. Christ replaces or
supersedes Judaism.
The Church expresses this idea today by claiming to be the "New
Israel". According to John, Christ replaces the Temple (2:18-22); the
Law (5:39-40) and Israel itself (15:1-17) - the "vine" being a symbol
of Israel (Psalm 80:8; Ezekiel 15:1-6 and Hosea 10:1). There is no
room left for Judaism as an expression of God's will. This has led
to what one author has called "a theological vendetta" against the
Jews. Too often in history those who have concluded that Judaism is
obsolete, have also concluded that the Jews are equally obsolete, with
tragic results.
Christology is the study of the nature of "Christ". In
Johannine Christology, Christ is portrayed as a divine man who
fulfils prophecy and reveals God in his own flesh. This was and still
remains, pure anathema to Jews. From a Jewish perspective the
Johannine god-man vision of Christ is a repulsive paganism. By virtue
of their innate inability to accept such a vision of the Messiah, Jews
are automatically condemned by Johannine Christology. It is
inherently antisemitic.
John goes out of his way to distort history and involve the
Jews in the death of Jesus. He introduces two Jewish trials of Jesus
(18:13 and 24), in contrast to the single Jewish trial in the
Synoptic Gospels. The Jews are unfairly portrayed as the moving force
behind the crucifixion (18:35) - Pilate's words focusing attention on
the Jews. Pilate, who in reality was both efficient and brutally
cruel, is portrayed as an incompetent administrator who is manipulated
by the Jews (19:12-13). Pilate even speaks against the Jews in
Jesus's defence (18:38). The Jews are directly implicated in the
crucifixion of Jesus (19:16; 21 and 31). John here lays the
foundation for the later Christian accusation of Jewish deicide. No
one should need reminding of the tragic consequences for Jews
generally throughout history of their being labelled as "Christ
killers".
This article uses "antisemitism" where some authors would use
"anti-Judaism". They would claim that antisemitism is a uniquely 19th
century European phenomenon and, consequently, that it is
unreasonable to apply it to John's Gospel. Anti-Judaism is
theological, rather than "racial", prejudice. I feel this to be a
wrong approach for two reasons.
Firstly, antisemitism is essentially theologically motivated Jew
hatred combined with the later addition of biological racism. This is
clearly what Wilheim Marr had in mind when he coined "antisemitism" as
a replacement for "Judenhass" (Jew hatred) in 1879.
Secondly, even if the distinction between Church anti-Judaism,
with its concomitant Jew hatred and antisemitism is accepted, it
still leaves the issue of current interpretations of John's Gospel.
My concern is not with the intention of whomsoever wrote the
antisemitic passages attributed to Jesus in John, but the effect they
might have on a current reader. Typically this will be a person with
little or no experience of meeting real Jews. Today the potential of
John's Gospel is almost exclusively as a promoter of antisemitism and
it should be viewed with this in mind.
Let there be no doubt about the final connection. Christian
theology, heavily dependent on the words attributed to Jesus as
recorded in John's Gospel, provided the Judenhass; 19th century
European pseudo-scientific "racial" theories provided the
justification and 20th century German science provided the means by
which the Holocaust was made possible. Lloyd.
Sir Cyril Haversham McTavish
Tavish can only say:
BRAVO!
BTW Gregory can't refute me on a scriptural level and that is why he is
resorting to the old smoke and mirrors routine of trying to cover
himself! I just wish that he could explain why the following doesn't
mean what is said!
I do believe that these scriptures can stand on their own!
Sir Cyril Haversham McTavish
schreiber wrote:
>
> Gregory Taylor wrote:
> > Gee - it was my understanding that one's study of the Scriptures is
> > or should be informed by understanding of the history of the period;
> > History itself, in that sense, can provide useful insights and context
> > for the content of Scripture. In that sense, it's the same reason that
> > the student of Scripture reads *across* individual verses - the search
> > for patterns of understanding. It's pretty apparent to me that you're
> > an example of *precisely* the sort of folly and error which one gets
> > when you race through the Scriptures hunting for every time the word
> > JOOOS and "bad" appear next to each other. It was my belief that one
> > who seriously studies Scripture is cultivating a searching and inquiring
> > heart. Given the "fruits of the Spirit" I've seen from you so far -
> > cowardice, duplicity, ignorance - perhaps it's possible that those who
> > serve the father of lies are instructed to flee from logic and information
> > and horrible things like proof and faith informed and undergirded by
> > reason. What a shame that your faith compels you to hide behind false
> > names and preach from a pulpit of such visible ignorance.
Tavish replies:
First you whined because I didn't use the King James Bible and now I do
not see one scripture still in this post. You are just a mere debater of
words, you have yet to prove the scriptures as being in error for their
historic validity NOT unless you want to be an anti-Semite and accuse
the Jews that wrote them as being liars! Gregory please discern the
meaning of this: "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for
teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight..." 1 Timothy 3: 16
I quoted scripture and did not use my "opinion" to establish my premise
BUT what did you do? You merely spouted your personal views BUT yet you
claim that I'm in folly and ignorance!
Gregory you went from this (just a few days ago):
Subject:
Re: Genocide's Origin & The Jewishness of It! No Denying the Facts!
Date:
27 May 1997 19:47:41 GMT
From:
gta...@shell1.msn.fullfeed.com (Gregory Taylor)wrote:
<Jeffrey G. Brown Deleted>
Given that Bradbury seems to claim some familiarity with scripture, his
cowardice and dishonesty must be a particular burden to him. He cannot
but be aware of God's opinion of those who are unwilling to take
responsibility
for their epistemic committments, unless he's reading an entirely
different
copy of Holy Writ than the one I have here before me (the King James, in
this case. I'm using it to track down a particular locution, as it
happens).
--------END------
Tavish replies:
You went from worrying about the version of the Bible I used to the
humanistic secular argument that you made above this! I once again
attached the scriptures below for you, in your great wisdom, to disprove
as not meaning what theuy plainly declare about historical Jewry!
They're right below Gregory! Care to try again or do you just wish to
name call and spew again?
schreiber wrote:
> Gregory, you are developing the subtlety of mind that will one day make
> you a great asset to the Chosen. Evaluation of "context," taken far
> enough, will allow you to argue convincingly that a turd is a tootsie
> roll.
Tavish replies:
Bravo, you see their obtuse reasoning too!
Gregory still refuses to deal with the scriptural implications of my
premise. Here is what causes Gregory so much grief:
MGirsch251 wrote:
>
> Abuisneineh wrote:
>
> > SOURCE: THE TORAH, BOOK OF JOSHUA</H3>
>
> Uh, the Book of Joshua is NOT part of the Torah moron. But this MAJOR
> oversight by you merely demonstrates your complete and total lack of
> knowledge of the Jewish religion. Nice try, but you have exposed your
> ignorance. Big surprise
Tavish replied:
Still more evidence or my premise:
Sir Cyril Haversham McTavish
Gord McFee wrote:
>
> In message <5mg4oc$ctp$1...@news01a.micron.net> - sbr...@micron.net (Brian
> Smith)Wed, 28 May 1997 02:38:09 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>jeff_...@bigmouth.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> :>
> :>>In article <338A3D...@race.com>, o...@race.com (a forged ID) wrote:
Great One wisely observed:
> :>>> Why do you want his real name,Jew?So you can sue him or better yet have
> :>>> the ATF and FBI come down breaking his door and arrest him for being
> :>>> "anti-semitic",why don`t you instead try to prove him wrong?I tell you
> :>>> why,BECAUSE YOU CAN`T, IT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR MOST HOLY BOOK THE TALMUD
> :>>> FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANT THE TRUTH TO SEE.
Nizkor sycophant brazenly taunts:
> :>>And another Brave Aryan Warrior (TM) boldly speaks out from behind the
> :>>comforting anonymity of his white sheet with the two eyeholes...
Brian Smith rationally asked:
> :>Alright, asshole. Why don't you give me your phone number and
> :>address, right now?
Gordy taunts:
> Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
Tavish replies:
Why does it matter? Do you wish to hunt him down in the future and bring
him to trial for "thought crimes" against liberals, socialists, and
J*ws?
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll snort no line before its time
Gordy you shouldn't be snortin' coke. It clouds your judgment!
Angus Fergus McTavish
rbdwsn wrote:
>
> Doc Tavish wrote:
> >
> > Juergen Hubert wrote:
> > >
> > > Gunther Schiller wrote:
> > > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Is there any reason at all why you posted this to soc.culture.german? I
> > > sure don't see one...
> >
> > Well may be because you aren't interested in how your nation is still
> > being milked for reparations. There are always the willfully blind among
> > every group thast thinks they can make unpleasant ideas go away by
> > ignoring them! If you don't like my material then don't read it. This is
> > commonly known as being selective- your criteria would therefore be
> > different than mine!
> > Tavish The True
> > Truth can sometimes be ugly but realities should be faced and lessons
> > learned!
> > Here are the details:
> > (Edited for brevity)
You won't get any disagreement from me! :-)
Tavish
Philip Kasiecki
In article <5mvqc3$2v3$1...@news01a.micron.net>,
Brian Smith (sbr...@micron.net) wrote:
: gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
: >Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
: Look at "tough guy" Gord "courageously" defending the holohoax while
: enjoying full immunity from ADL-Jew kommissars and fellow travellers
: who slander, harrass, monitor, and even get dissidents fired from
: their jobs for "political incorrectness" and "anti-semitism."
Look at Smith/Stele wear his intellectual bankruptcy on his sleeve,
as always.
: My, what a risk you take, Gord, using your *real* name to defend the
: holohoax! Where did you find such "bravery", Gord?
Probably where your fellow Nazis didn't in having to forge posts on
Usenet under fake names and e-mail addresses.
: Like I said before Gordie: leave your address and phone number, tough
: guy. Just name the place, and if it's within reasonable driving
: distance we'll see who's chickenshit: okay, Nizkook pansy? I promise
: I won't tear your dress but your mascara indeed might get smudged!
I guess we can thank Gord for bringing out the homophobic side of
Smith/Stele- not that it's very difficult to do that in the first place.
Gord McFee
In message <33945C...@spam-not.net> - Sir Cyril Haversham McTavish
<tav...@spam-not.net>Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:03:00 -0500 writes:
:>
:>Gord McFee wrote:
[deleted]
:>Brian Smith rationally asked:
:>> :>Alright, asshole. Why don't you give me your phone number and
:>> :>address, right now?
:>
:>Gordy taunts:
:>> Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
:>
:>Tavish replies:
:>Why does it matter? Do you wish to hunt him down in the future and bring
:>him to trial for "thought crimes" against liberals, socialists, and
:>J*ws?
No, I was going to invite him for a beer.
:>Gordy you shouldn't be snortin' coke. It clouds your judgment!
Not snortin', Sir Cyril, drinkin'.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Gregory Taylor
"schreiber" rubs both his neurons together furiously. Smoke appears,
but no light:
>You criticize Tavish for choosing only the parts of the Bible that
>present his case and then you proceed to quote an obscure Caananite text
>rather than counter-examples from the Bible. One of the key points that
>Tavish drives home is that fiendish Jewish behavior has a long history
>and is spelled out in the Old Testament, their untouchable holy book.
>Refute Tavish with Biblical exerpts and save the filigree for another
>argument.
The fact that you don't know anything at all about who the Canaanites
worshipped equips you to decide who is and isn't a marginal deity?
Amazing. You've got a choice here - you can either go do some research
in the library (you *can* read, yes?), or take my word for it. Anat is
the sister deity of Baal, whose name you probably know from the OT. While
various mythologies assign different ranks to their gods of War, rest
assured that Anat is pretty big stuff in Canaanite mythology. Her dispute
with the god Mot is a nice chunk of their major creation story. Another
reader here has pointed out that some of the section I've quoted also
has been anthologized in a book of religious texts from all over the world
called "Technicians of the Sacred" by Jerome Rothenburg (U. of California
Press). This ought to be much easier to find that the original book I
quoted, so you interested folks might want to take a look at it. Our
library has a copy-looks like an interesting book, and it also appear that a
bunch of other early cultures in Oceania and on the Steppes and in
South America are *also* writing texts that talk about treating their
captives and outsiders poorly, promising victory if they follow their
gods, etc. etc. etc. Did those wascawwy JOOOS teach *them* genocide,
too?
My reasons for choosing the gods of Canaan have nothing to do with
their "marginality;" Your cowardly antisemite playmate pal was
attempting to prove by assertion that the JOOOS somehow "invented"
genocide because his selective reading of a single group of texts
talk about destruction, different treatment for "insiders" and "outsiders"
and promises all kinds of stuff to the faithful of their religion.
Merely typing in a bunch of OT quotes proves nothing except Bradbury's
ability to type. In order to argue that that stuff is somehow *unique*,
he'd have to argue that no one else at the time in the area was cranking
out religious texts that said the kind of stuff that his carefully
selected "proof" quotes do. While it would have been pretty straight
ahead to hunt up similar kinds of religious texts from ancient Egypt
or Babylon, since I find that they're slightly easier to locate in your
local library. I thought it might be nice to find some similar literature
from the very folks that Bradbury's "proof" texts talked about
exterminating. Instead of his ignorant delusion, I've provided you with
an example that the *real* state of affairs is that the children of
Israel are sitting about reading and writing texts about their uniqueness
and the vengence their god will visit upon their enemies while the
Canaanites right next door are sitting around reading and writing the
*same* kinds of texts. And guess what? If you start looking at the religious
literature from Egypt and Babylon, you'll find some very familiar themes
in *them,* too. This wouldn't seem to argue that the JOOOS "invented"
genocide, I think - not to a normal person.
Gord McFee
In message <5n2d7b$q...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> - pkas...@lynx.dac.neu.edu
(Philip Kasiecki) writes:
:>
:>In article <5mvqc3$2v3$1...@news01a.micron.net>,:>: >Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
:>
:>: Look at "tough guy" Gord "courageously" defending the holohoax while
:>: enjoying full immunity from ADL-Jew kommissars and fellow travellers
:>: who slander, harrass, monitor, and even get dissidents fired from
:>: their jobs for "political incorrectness" and "anti-semitism."
:>
:> Look at Smith/Stele wear his intellectual bankruptcy on his sleeve,
:>as always.
He was just as bad the first time around. What is amusing is how easy
it is to get him to drop his veneer of civility, so the real schoolyard
bully comes out for all to see. Definitely one of the stupider ones.
Why Giwer is more of a challenge than this guy.
:>: My, what a risk you take, Gord, using your *real* name to defend the
:>: holohoax! Where did you find such "bravery", Gord?
:>
:> Probably where your fellow Nazis didn't in having to forge posts on
:>Usenet under fake names and e-mail addresses.
That's about it.
:>: Like I said before Gordie: leave your address and phone number, tough
:>: guy. Just name the place, and if it's within reasonable driving
:>: distance we'll see who's chickenshit: okay, Nizkook pansy? I promise
:>: I won't tear your dress but your mascara indeed might get smudged!
:>
:> I guess we can thank Gord for bringing out the homophobic side of
:>Smith/Stele- not that it's very difficult to do that in the first place.
Exactly. Since he is too stupid to defeat me with words, he has to
resort to the only thing he has left--violence.
Michael
On 5 Jun 97 02:33:46 GMT, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In message <5n2d7b$q...@chaos.dac.neu.edu> - pkas...@lynx.dac.neu.edu
>(Philip Kasiecki) writes:
>:>
>:>In article <5mvqc3$2v3$1...@news01a.micron.net>,
>:>Brian Smith (sbr...@micron.net) wrote:
>:>: gmc...@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>:>: >Why don't you post under your real name, chickenshit?
>:>
>:>: Look at "tough guy" Gord "courageously" defending the holohoax while
>:>: enjoying full immunity from ADL-Jew kommissars and fellow travellers
>:>: who slander, harrass, monitor, and even get dissidents fired from
>:>: their jobs for "political incorrectness" and "anti-semitism."
>:>
>:> Look at Smith/Stele wear his intellectual bankruptcy on his sleeve,
>:>as always.
>
>He was just as bad the first time around. What is amusing is how easy
>it is to get him to drop his veneer of civility, so the real schoolyard
>bully comes out for all to see. Definitely one of the stupider ones.
>Why Giwer is more of a challenge than this guy.
Stupider(sic)???
>:>: My, what a risk you take, Gord, using your *real* name to defend the
>:>: holohoax! Where did you find such "bravery", Gord?
>:>
>:> Probably where your fellow Nazis didn't in having to forge posts on
>:>Usenet under fake names and e-mail addresses.
>
>That's about it.
Witty, forceful commentary.
>:>: Like I said before Gordie: leave your address and phone number, tough
>:>: guy. Just name the place, and if it's within reasonable driving
>:>: distance we'll see who's chickenshit: okay, Nizkook pansy? I promise
>:>: I won't tear your dress but your mascara indeed might get smudged!
>:>
>:> I guess we can thank Gord for bringing out the homophobic side of
>:>Smith/Stele- not that it's very difficult to do that in the first place.
>
>Exactly. Since he is too stupid to defeat me with words, he has to
>resort to the only thing he has left--violence.
I think your lips move when you read these posts.
Defeat You with words? Hah! Like shooting an unarmed man.
>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time
You are a real trendy couch potato aren't you?
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In article <339463...@spam-not.net>, Sir Cyril Haversham McTavish <tav...@spam-not.net> writes:
> BTW Gregory can't refute me on a scriptural level and that is why he is
> resorting to the old smoke and mirrors routine of trying to cover
> himself! I just wish that he could explain why the following doesn't
> mean what is said!
Tavish, please explain. According to the scriptures, every single
item you object to is a command FROM GOD. Not from the Jews. FROM
GOD.
So - are you saying that, in your opinion, God had nothing to do with
the material in the scripture? Are you claiming that all of scripture
is just a bunch of Jewish propaganda, and all religions based on the
bible are nonsense?
Or do you consider yourself a bible-believing Christian? If so, then
by saying that these verses show a genocidal cast of mind, you are
accusing God of being genocidal? Of having all the terrible
characteristics you always leap to assign to "the Jews"?
It is clear that (1) you despise Christianity - or else that(2) you accept
it in your own strange version, but believe that God commanded the
Jews to treat others as lesser races; yours is a "Christianity" in
which God, like your Nazi heros, is a racist and an instigator of
genocide.
Please clarify - which is it? It will help us all understand you
so much better. Thank you.
> I do believe that these scriptures can stand on their own!
>
> Loaning money:
> "He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment.. the
> foreigner [Gentile] you may press for payment..." Deuteronomy 15: 2,3
A command from God, according to Deuteronomy. So are you objecting
that Deuteronomy is a fraud, or are you just claiming that God is a jerk
for issuing this command?
> "You must not make your brother pay interest, interest on money,
> interest on food, interest on anything on which one may claim interest.
> You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay interest but your brother [fellow
> Jew] you must not make pay interest." Deuteronomy 23: 19,20
A command from God, according to Deuteronomy. So are you saying that
Deuteronomy is a fraud, or are you just saying that God is a jerk?
[etc.]
As Gregory pointed out, this sort of distinction between how a society
treats the in-group and how it treats foreigners was completely standard
in the ancient Near East - and continues to be all too typical of many
human societies even today. It was not an invention of "the Jews".
(Of course, Tavish wishes to treat everyone in *his* out-group - those
terrible non-Aryans - as lesser beings. Which gives him scant grounds
for complaining. He has not evolved beyond the hideously low, rigidly
tribal moral level of the mid-east circa 1500 B.C.; by and large the
Jews have. Too bad, Tavish, that they and most of the rest of us
have left you so far behind. But you are more than welcome to step
forward out of the bronze age.)
In any event, as God set forth His mind to Israel more fully, in the time
of the prophets, He spelled out the importance of treating the foreigner
and the stranger with equal consideration and charity. He had laid the
groundwork in the original Israelite law ("for you yourselves were
strangers in Egypt"); and when the time was ripe, He had the prophets
hammer on the point without letup.
Christianity - at least on paper - learned that lesson. Judaism also
learned that lesson; the Talmud explains that wherever the Law accords
lesser rights to non-Jews, the Jew is still morally obligated to treat
everyone the same. (Talmud further explains how the moral obligation to
equal treatment becomes a legal obligation whenever the non-Jew is not
an idolater; also whenever the non-Jew affords the same protections to
people in his own laws.)
You too can learn that lesson. But probably not while you're prostrated
offering incense to that wall of Hitler photos in your master bedroom.
[Followups limited to the relevant neo-Nazi ghettos.]
--
Royce Buehler bue...@space.mit.edu
"Comme un fou se croit Dieu, nous nous croyons mortels"
-- Pierre Delalande
John Morris
In <33b3bac7....@news.flanet.com>, vin...@dreamon.com (The BOK)
wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 08:20:35 GMT, John....@UAlberta.CA (John
>Morris) wrote:
>>Ah, yes. I was going to ask if there was a baby talk qualifier in your
>>"step outside and say that" theory of history.
>>Thanks for clearing that up.
>You know what they say John, Might is Right. Perhaps the Aryan
>tradition of fighting duels should be re-instituted? What do you
>think? I am one hell of a good shot, are you?
I've never handled firearms in my life, so a duel with pistols would
hardly be fair for me. How about a battle of wits? Oh, but wait:
you've never handled wits in your life, so that would hardly be fair
for you.
>(The above paragraph is not a threat. It is intended for purely adult
>audiences and Nizkook discretion is advised.)
The above paragraph is gently satiric and not intended to be
insulting, etc.
Michael
On Sat, 07 Jun 1997 01:35:10 GMT, vin...@dreamon.com (The BOK) wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Jun 1997 08:20:35 GMT, John....@UAlberta.CA (John
>Morris) wrote:
>
>>In <5n325o$ccg$1...@news01a.micron.net>, sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>John....@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote:
>>
>>>>The National Alliance posts a refinement to its definition of
>>>>historical methodology.
>>
>>>John SanctiMorrious, you listen up:
>>
>>>Pooka, pooka, pooka
>>
>>Ah, yes. I was going to ask if there was a baby talk qualifier in your
>>"step outside and say that" theory of history.
>>
>>Thanks for clearing that up.
>>
>>--
>> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
>> at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla futuri>
>>--
>
>You know what they say John, Might is Right. Perhaps the Aryan
>tradition of fighting duels should be re-instituted? What do you
>think? I am one hell of a good shot, are you?
>
>(The above paragraph is not a threat. It is intended for purely adult
>audiences and Nizkook discretion is advised.)
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent
>
>"War. Against war one can say: It makes the victor stupid, the
>vanquished malignant. In favor of war: Through both of these effects
>it barbarizes and thereby makes more natural; it is a sleep or a
>winter for culture, and man emerges from it stronger for good and
>evil."
>
> -Friedrich Nietzsche
>
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>
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Good idea to include a disclaimer Vincent. The Sanctimonious Hypocrite
probably had already burst into tears before he read it, though.
dckom
On Wed, 04 Jun 1997 06:51:03 GMT c.e., sbr...@micron.net (Brian Smith)
wrote :
>John....@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote:
>
>>The National Alliance posts a refinement to its definition of
>>historical methodology.
>
>John SanctiMorrious, you listen up:
>
>Pooka, pooka, pooka
Well, I've long expected it. Poor Brian.
Too many re-readings of Hitler and Peirce have cooked a fine young Aryan
mind.Pity.
David
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And your Master Race just makes me sick
Red London
Gabe's Twin
hmmm... why this silly posting belongs on alt.politics.liberalism at all
is personally very confusing. seems like it belongs on
alt.religion.conspiracy.morons well, whatever.
what seems interesting to me is that you quote the book of joshua as proof
that jews are going to kill everyone and take over the world. seeing as
how the book of joshua is part of christain rather than jewish scriptures,
i'd be amused to see how that makes sense at all.
then you quote some other parts of the bible - at least this time they at
least happen to be from the torah, which is nice. well, isn't that nice.
you've found direct parts of the judeochristain ideology that apparently
talks about killing lots of people. well no duh, there aren't a lot of
religious books in the world that _don't_ mention destroying all the other
people in the world. ever read the Koran for instance?
anyway, what you may be confused with is that parts of the torah contain
references to the destruction of the people of the nation of Amalek and a
few others. part of the Jewish story is that the jewish people had to
fight their way into israel, because, well, there were people already
there. like just about any other group of nomads trying to find a home -
the mongolian empire on a much lesser scale, perhaps. and so there's
mention in the torah about all kinds of military things - includiinig the
destruction of the entire naton of amalek, because dammit, they were in
the way! again, that's a common idea among most nomadic military-like
people. i don't know if you're misreading what you read, or if it was
siimply mistranslated, but the thrust of these sections is that the jewsih
people should conquer the land of israel by conquering the groups that
were already living there. no genocide, sorry. that's other religion's
stuff.
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