Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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So, what were all those images at the beginning of The Gift? Well, one
boring Sunday morning I went through frame by frame and listed them, and
here it is:
http://website.lineone.net/~angelcuts/The%20Gift.txt
Stephen
Steve the Muffler
Also note that the season 1 clips in the previously were not widescreen,
they were cropped from 4:3 :/
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Stephen Walker
"Steve the Muffler" <muf...@immortalcurse.com> wrote in message
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> Did you happen to do a cuts list for episode 21? ;) I kinda need one.
It's on the way. ep 20 is done but not uploaded.
>
> Also note that the season 1 clips in the previously were not widescreen,
> they were cropped from 4:3 :/
>
Actually, I didn't see it, but I have it taped.
Stephen
Dave Emberton
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How many episodes is that then? I kind of assumed it would be all of them,
but your list suggests not.
I ususally hate the "previously" bits with a passion, but that one is
fantastic.
Dave
Neil
And some time ago, Mattia also went through them all and put a frame
from each onto a webpage (which he actually did with you, didn't he?).
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mvalente/giftpob.html
In Mattia's own words though "Be warned, it's rather massive.
Screenshots, you see."
Neil / thevoicewithin
--
"We looked around, and then we found the man for you and me!"
Dave Emberton
>
> Also note that the season 1 clips in the previously were not widescreen,
> they were cropped from 4:3 :/
Would have been a bit hard to make them widescreen ;-)
Dave
Dave Emberton
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I'm sure WTTH and The Harvest were in there too, which you seem to have
missed out.
Dave
Steve the Muffler
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> Would have been a bit hard to make them widescreen ;-)
Not if they existed in 16:9 like season 2 and 3 - see the opening credits
every week. Interestingly, I didnt notice the 4:3 version of The Gift having
cropped clips, did they really do two versions? Needs checking.
Neil
Again, to quote Mattia "Left that out on purpose. Because that was,
like, so dead obvious. And long. And not at all flashy."[1]
Neil / thevoicewithin
[1] I really must stop speaking for other people.
Jonathan Black
> Dave Emberton wrote:
>
> > Steve the Muffler wrote:
> >
> > > Also note that the season 1 clips in the previously were
> > > not widescreen, they were cropped from 4:3 :/
> >
> > Would have been a bit hard to make them widescreen ;-)
>
> Not if they existed in 16:9 like season 2 and 3 - see the
> opening credits every week. Interestingly, I didnt notice
> the 4:3 version of The Gift having cropped clips, did they
> really do two versions? Needs checking.
Actually, I do remember noticing something slightly weird about
the S1 shots on the 4:3 version when I first saw it last year.
NOT that they were vertically cropped or anything, but rather
slightly horizontally streched, consequently losing a tad of
info on either side. I have made some screenshots just now. On
the left is the Season 1 DVD, on the right is a 512x384 DivX
encode of The Gift posted last May on the binaries ng:
http://deadlock.et.tudelft.nl/~jonathan/5ABB22/
Notice how the Gift shots are missing some horizontal
information on either side, but hardly anything missing
vertically, and are slightly streched horizontally as a result.
It was my hypothesis that this had been done to win some
horizontal space for the 16:9 version, because like you say, I
find it hard to believe that they actually did two versions,
i.e. that the 4:3 version is anything other than the usual
centre cut-out of the 16:9 one. The streching is not enough to
fill the 16:9 width completely, so I guessed that they did have
*some* extra width available on the S1 shots compared to what
was originally seen, but not quite enough, so they filled the
rest up by cheating slightly with this streching.
So I am surprised to hear you say the S1 shots looked "cropped
from 4:3" in the 16:9 version shown yesterday on BBC2. I felt I
was if anything seeing some extra width even in the 14:9
analouge showing I saw, though I don't have it on tape or
anything to check, so maybe I'm wrong.
Bye,
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jonathaN
Steve the Muffler
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> So I am surprised to hear you say the S1 shots looked "cropped
> from 4:3" in the 16:9 version shown yesterday on BBC2. I felt I
> was if anything seeing some extra width even in the 14:9
> analouge showing I saw, though I don't have it on tape or
> anything to check, so maybe I'm wrong.
When I watched them on my Sky+ a couple of times it looked like it was
missing a lot of vertical resolution. But that could just be my memory of
those shots being unclear. When viewing on TV you can't see the black
borders they add to the sides sometimes to make a 4:3 image fill a 16:9 TV
(something BBC do often), so it's easier to check on a PC. It's likely that
there are some black borders on the sides in addition to the extra original
picture missing from the 4:3 version.
I'll try to do a proper comparison when I capture the episode, tomorrow
hopefully.
Shuggie
<muf...@immortalcurse.com> wrote:
>"Dave Emberton" <notint...@notinterested.in.your.spam.com> wrote in
>message news:3c913579$0$5795$1b0f...@mercury.nildram.co.uk...
>> Would have been a bit hard to make them widescreen ;-)
>
>Not if they existed in 16:9 like season 2 and 3 - see the opening credits
>every week. Interestingly, I didnt notice the 4:3 version of The Gift having
>cropped clips, did they really do two versions? Needs checking.
I downloaded some Prophecy Girl out-takes a while back and they were
16:9 - so it was filmed that way. I won't get into an argument about
whether full episode 16:9 masters exist, but it at least shows that
there could have been.
--
Shug
Her lips were saying 'No' but then I looked into to her eyes
... and her eyes were saying 'read my lips'
- Niles Crane
Loz Pycock
Emberton" <notint...@notinterested.in.your.spam.com> mumble,
Agreed. It's another of the reasons that I wish the show had ended
after that episode, it encapsulated the whole series perfectly.
Loz
"I articulate in 14 positions and I'm a choking hazard." Anthony Stewart Head.
"Can we go for one full hour without you talking about your genitalia?"
The Adventures of Barry Ween, Boy Genius.
"nob" andre...@hotmail.com
Mattia Valente
I talk like that? Whoops.
;-P
> [1] I really must stop speaking for other people.
Nah. Leaves me free to make inane comments about my own writing style.
Mattia
--
"My beagle went swimming today and now he's typing on my keyboard with
his ample nose. Oh, and he's the bestest handsomeest beagle EVER."
--Tim Minear, Salon.com, May 2001
Neil
No, you leave in spelling mistakes - you spelt it "falshy" ;o)
>;-P
>
>> [1] I really must stop speaking for other people.
>
>Nah. Leaves me free to make inane comments about my own writing style.
>
Neil / thevoicewithin
Steve the Muffler
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> I downloaded some Prophecy Girl out-takes a while back and they were
> 16:9 - so it was filmed that way. I won't get into an argument about
> whether full episode 16:9 masters exist, but it at least shows that
> there could have been.
I encoded the Video CD version of those out-takes. They weren't 16:9. :)
But yes, it is/was technically possible for them to make 16:9 versions.
Stephen Walker
Take a look at this page:
http://www.btinternet.com/~srwalker/btvs/previously.html
I've posted two additional images from the same frame as the top pair on
your site, the same height for suitable comparison.
The BBC widescreen version is taken from the anamorphic broadcast, resized
and aspect ratio fixed to 16:9. The R1 DVD shot is resized but the DVD
aspect ratio of 1.5:1 (720x480) is preserved.
Notice two things:
1) The BBC shot is zoomed, you lose detail at the bottom of the picture.
2) The BBC shot appears to be the same aspect ratio as the 1.5:1 DVD image.
Stephen
Jonathan Black
Thanks, esp. for the BBC picture. Steve the Muffler was right
then, it is definitely cropped, all from the bottom in that shot
at least, hardly any from the top. I wonder if the BBC did this
themselves.
> 2) The BBC shot appears to be the same aspect
> ratio as the 1.5:1 DVD image.
Right. Coincidence? I can't think of any reason why it should be
exactly this amount of streching, though indeed it does appear
to be. Somewhat more than on my shot from the WB, too.
Bye,
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jonathaN
Shuggie
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>"Shuggie" <shu...@SPAMMENOTaceypace.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> I downloaded some Prophecy Girl out-takes a while back and they were
>> 16:9 - so it was filmed that way. I won't get into an argument about
>> whether full episode 16:9 masters exist, but it at least shows that
>> there could have been.
>
>I encoded the Video CD version of those out-takes. They weren't 16:9. :)
>But yes, it is/was technically possible for them to make 16:9 versions.
So are they cropped or what? They're not 4:3 that's for sure.
Steve the Muffler
> Thanks, esp. for the BBC picture. Steve the Muffler was right
> then, it is definitely cropped, all from the bottom in that shot
> at least, hardly any from the top. I wonder if the BBC did this
> themselves.
Yep. I can confirm that all of the season 2 and 3 shots were in widescreen,
with special effects in tact. The transition from cropped with borders to
full anamorphic starts at the first shot of season 2. They definitely exist.
Looks like this is confirmation that season 1 doesn't. Bad news all round
really - one that doesn't exist and two that Fox couldn't be bothered to
release.
> > 2) The BBC shot appears to be the same aspect
> > ratio as the 1.5:1 DVD image.
>
> Right. Coincidence? I can't think of any reason why it should be
> exactly this amount of streching, though indeed it does appear
> to be. Somewhat more than on my shot from the WB, too.
Yes, it can only be a coincidence. They obviously stretched it slightly so
they wouldn't have to crop as much vertically. Remember that the master copy
will be 720x480 (the same as the DVD), not 4:3.