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Adam Aglionby

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Jan 14, 2004, 9:43:54 PM1/14/04
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shows that there is a long way to go.....

http://www.thevospad.com/

Adam


Martin Riddle

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Jan 14, 2004, 9:59:33 PM1/14/04
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Not very bright. I'm not impressed, a 16 watt flourescent does much better
for the same amount of LED power.
From the pictures I cant tell if the 'pink' is from an under exposed film or
the LED's ;)


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Kevin McMurtrie

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Jan 15, 2004, 1:30:13 AM1/15/04
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In article <K7nNb.16006$QW4.17...@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Adam Aglionby" <n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote:

True. There may be some broken toes along the way too, with those lamps
sticking out of the dimly lit floor.

I assume they're doing all that work for lighting effects alone. LEDs
are expensive and inefficient as light sources. I think they could have
done much better if they'd used colored cold cathode tubes for the bulk
of the lighting. (Surely all those flat screen TVs use CCFLs)

Quack

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Jan 15, 2004, 3:38:52 AM1/15/04
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Looking at the pictures it seems to get a decent amount of light when
they are set to white ...

I think it would be really interesting to incorporate the system into
your stereo and have the ligh patterns change to the music, like the
'visualizations' do in WMP or other music players ..

I was once thinking of decking out a bar like that, with the bar-top
with side lit leds in glass to create funky patterns - except it might
make you a little woozy after an hour and a few drinks .. :)


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The Real Andy

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Jan 15, 2004, 2:27:49 AM1/15/04
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"Martin Riddle" <martin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not very bright. I'm not impressed, a 16 watt flourescent does much better
> for the same amount of LED power.
> From the pictures I cant tell if the 'pink' is from an under exposed film
or
> the LED's ;)

I think that is the way it's designed. I have seen this stuff fitted
localy - looks a treat. Can get quite white and bright with those things,
infact you can do a lot better than with flourescent and incandescent. Costs
a ton though.


james

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Jan 15, 2004, 7:33:31 AM1/15/04
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"Adam Aglionby" <n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote in message news:<K7nNb.16006$QW4.17...@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> shows that there is a long way to go.....
>
> http://www.thevospad.com/
>
> Adam


Aren't there standards for maximum exposure to monochromatic light or
wouldn't that count if you had more than one colour?

James

Victor Roberts

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Jan 15, 2004, 9:05:59 AM1/15/04
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:30:13 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie
<mcmu...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>I assume they're doing all that work for lighting effects alone. LEDs
>are expensive and inefficient as light sources. I think they could have
>done much better if they'd used colored cold cathode tubes for the bulk
>of the lighting. (Surely all those flat screen TVs use CCFLs)

I read they really did it just to have the first room or apartment lit
entirely by LEDs.

--
Vic Roberts
http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com

Mike

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Damn. I just chucked my old wide-lapel-polyester-velour-bell-bottom
seventies suit (and no longer have enough hair to even need a comb). If I
hadn't, though, all they'd need in that house is a disco ball and I'd be
ready.

-- Mike --

james

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> Aren't there standards for maximum exposure to monochromatic light or
> wouldn't that count if you had more than one colour?
>
> James

I'm sorry, I engaged my keboard but my brain was still in neutral.

James :P

Adam Aglionby

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Jan 15, 2004, 7:06:32 PM1/15/04
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"Quack" <alex+...@vuetec.com> wrote in message
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> Looking at the pictures it seems to get a decent amount of light when
> they are set to white ...
>
> I think it would be really interesting to incorporate the system into
> your stereo and have the ligh patterns change to the music, like the
> 'visualizations' do in WMP or other music players ..

winamp plug in , and it physically plugs in:

http://discolitez.com/

Adam

>>>SNIPPED<<<


Michael

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Jan 15, 2004, 8:29:27 PM1/15/04
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"Adam Aglionby" <n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote in message news:<K7nNb.16006$QW4.17...@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> shows that there is a long way to go.....
>
> http://www.thevospad.com/
>
> Adam

I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
glow, taps glow, toilet seat & flush button glows, doorways and floor
edges light up. ect ect.

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

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Jan 16, 2004, 2:11:08 AM1/16/04
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Michael wrote:
>
> "Adam Aglionby" <n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote in message news:<K7nNb.16006$QW4.17...@news-text.cableinet.net>...
> > shows that there is a long way to go.....
> >
> > http://www.thevospad.com/
> >
> > Adam
>
> I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
> light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
> glow, taps glow, toilet seat

[snip]

Use bi-color LEDs for this. Red if its up, green if its down. That may
eliminate complaints from some people about it always being in an
indeterminate state. ;-)

& flush button glows, doorways and floor edges light up. ect ect.

Motion detector activated night lights. That way, you don't need to turn
on all the lights and wake everyone when you've got to get up in the
middle of the night.

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Genome

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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message
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> Motion detector activated night lights. That way, you don't need to turn
> on all the lights and wake everyone when you've got to get up in the
> middle of the night.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian

I don't understand.

Are you saying you don't know the way to your own bog in the dark?

DNA


John Woodgate

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:23:28 AM1/16/04
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Michael <mic...@clift.com.au>
wrote (in <ec96e13a.04011...@posting.google.com>) about
'First LED lit apartment', on Thu, 15 Jan 2004:

>I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
>light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
>glow, taps glow, toilet seat & flush button glows, doorways and floor
>edges light up. ect ect.

Build a time machine, go back to 1920 and get a can of radium paint.
(;-)
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N. Thornton

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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message news:<40078E8C...@Hovnanian.com>...

> Motion detector activated night lights. That way, you don't need to turn


> on all the lights and wake everyone when you've got to get up in the
> middle of the night.

Only trouble is they keep going off once you stop moving. Most
annoying. Anyone whose ever tried to do something under a PIR garden
light knows what I mean.

If you stretch the ontimes to say 20 minutes then
a) youve got a house long trail of lights on behind you
b) theyre still annoying when youre sitting down.


Regards, NT

Bob Stephens

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Jan 16, 2004, 10:21:24 AM1/16/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:23:28 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

> I read in sci.electronics.design that Michael <mic...@clift.com.au>
> wrote (in <ec96e13a.04011...@posting.google.com>) about
> 'First LED lit apartment', on Thu, 15 Jan 2004:
>>I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
>>light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
>>glow, taps glow, toilet seat & flush button glows, doorways and floor
>>edges light up. ect ect.
>
> Build a time machine, go back to 1920 and get a can of radium paint.
> (;-)

Not even that far back. My father in law worked for Firestone Tire and
Rubber during World War II. Among other things they made fuel bladders for
ferrying bombers overseas. The way they checked for leaks was to paint
women's eylids with radium paint and send them inside to walk around while
the engineers outside watched for glow. Yikes! OSHA would love that one!

Bob

Adam Aglionby

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:04:35 AM1/16/04
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"Bob Stephens" <stephensyo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Cases of cancer, particularly mouth cancer from licking the brush to make a
fine point, were common during and after WW2 from women employed to paint
aircraft dials with radium paint.

Not far from where I live a beach was closed due to radium scraps being
washed up on shore from scrapped military equipment at Naval dockyard
further along coast.

The radium excuse was also used at Woolwich arsenal in London when it was
being re-developed, in actual fact cadavers that had been obtained from
local teaching hosptals had been buried on site after use for radioactive
experiments, too hot even after all these years to go in a normal burial
site.

Next week on grim but true...

Adam


Adam Aglionby

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:09:22 AM1/16/04
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"Michael" <mic...@clift.com.au> wrote in message
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Toilet seat is easy:

http://www.extremeglow.com/toilet_seat.htm

Strontium aluminate is genuinely impressive as a Glow In Dark material.

edges etc either LED or EL

http://www.e-lite.com

Or get everthing in UV reactives:

www.glowshop.com

Adam

Adam Aglionby

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:15:37 AM1/16/04
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"N. Thornton" <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
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UK politicians have this problem in there offices and Glenda Jackson
complained about ahving to do a light dance in her office to maintain
illumination.

Adam


Adam Aglionby

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"Genome" <gen...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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Depends if you have a cat with their own door and tendency to bring in
`presents`, standing on a dead rat in middle of night is not good start to
day.

Adam


TKM

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Jan 16, 2004, 1:49:26 PM1/16/04
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Mike <mi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm, there's a thought. How about a disco ball made of LEDs rather than
reflective bits. Gets rid of the clunky light source and there's lots of
programming choices. I suppose someone has done that though.

Terry McGowan


TKM

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Martin Riddle <martin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's more in a NYTimes article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/08/technology/circuits/08lite.html?th

With the fast-sinking dollar, I suppose that's $60,000 + now.

Terry McGowan


John Woodgate

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Jan 16, 2004, 2:41:51 PM1/16/04
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I read in sci.electronics.design that TKM <ligh...@apk.net> wrote (in
<WmWNb.22828$VS4.6...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>) about
'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan 2004:

>How about a disco ball made of LEDs rather than
>reflective bits.

It simply doesn't work( i.e. produce an exciting subjective effect).
Lasers would work, to some extent.

John Woodgate

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I read in sci.electronics.design that Adam Aglionby
<n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote (in <J6UNb.1181$N86.11843684@news-
text.cableinet.net>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan
2004:

>Depends if you have a cat with their own door and tendency to bring in
>`presents`, standing on a dead rat in middle of night is not good start to
>day.

Whatever turns you off, baby!

John Woodgate

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I read in sci.electronics.design that Adam Aglionby
<n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote (in <J6UNb.1182$N86.11843684@news-

text.cableinet.net>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan
2004:
>UK politicians have this problem in there offices and Glenda Jackson
>complained about ahving to do a light dance in her office to maintain
>illumination.

But she can undoubtedly dance. What the building engineers are waiting
for is for John 'Two Jags' Prescott and Sir Edward Heath to do a dance
that they can video, and then they will increase the switch-off time-
constant.

John Woodgate

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I read in sci.electronics.design that Adam Aglionby
<n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote (in <S0UNb.1173$uB5.11500794@news-

text.cableinet.net>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan
2004:
>Strontium aluminate is genuinely impressive as a Glow In Dark material.

Not the same as strontium alum, which is a horse of a very different
colour. (;-)

TKM

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John Woodgate <j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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A ball studded with LEDs should certainly "sparkle" as it turned, but I
agree that the usual moving patterns on people and surfaces produced by a
traditional reflective ball would be absent or very subtle.

Terry McGowan


Amelia M. Samples

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Jan 16, 2004, 11:59:45 PM1/16/04
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"TKM" <ligh...@apk.net> wrote in message
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Try $600,000 +. It's listed at 650,000 pounds. A girl can dream...although
you could probably do a large house for that kind of money rather than a
1000 square foot flat.


Amelia M. Samples

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Jan 17, 2004, 12:07:04 AM1/17/04
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Who needs 1920? Get some luminescent ZnS and some Am-241 (cheaper than Ra) -
the powders even come in other colors than green now..

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John Woodgate

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:28:24 AM1/17/04
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Amelia M. Samples
<mi...@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <Pp3Ob.47662$VV4...@twister.rdc-
kc.rr.com>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan 2004:

>Who needs 1920? Get some luminescent ZnS and some Am-241 (cheaper than Ra) -
>the powders even come in other colors than green now..

Since the proposal began with 'build a time machine', it just might not
have been intended to be taken seriously, do you think? I mean, EVER?
(;-).

TKM

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Amelia M. Samples <mi...@georgebush.visi.com> wrote in message
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>
> "TKM" <ligh...@apk.net> wrote in message
> news:QuWNb.22849$VS4.6...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
< Snip >

> > >
> > > "Adam Aglionby" <n...@capersville.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:K7nNb.16006$QW4.17...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > > shows that there is a long way to go.....
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thevospad.com/
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> >
> > There's more in a NYTimes article at:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/08/technology/circuits/08lite.html?th
> >
> > With the fast-sinking dollar, I suppose that's $60,000 + now.
> >
> > Terry McGowan
> >
> Try $600,000 +. It's listed at 650,000 pounds. A girl can dream...although
> you could probably do a large house for that kind of money rather than a
> 1000 square foot flat.

YIKES!

Terry McGowan


Amelia M. Samples

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"John Woodgate" <j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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> I read in sci.electronics.design that Amelia M. Samples
> <mi...@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <Pp3Ob.47662$VV4...@twister.rdc-
> kc.rr.com>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan 2004:
> >Who needs 1920? Get some luminescent ZnS and some Am-241 (cheaper than
Ra) -
> >the powders even come in other colors than green now..
>
> Since the proposal began with 'build a time machine', it just might not
> have been intended to be taken seriously, do you think? I mean, EVER?
> (;-).

My bad... ;)

Clive Mitchell

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In message <JgoX+ZH$5DCA...@jmwa.demon.co.uk>, John Woodgate
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes

>>How about a disco ball made of LEDs rather than
>>reflective bits.
>
>It simply doesn't work( i.e. produce an exciting subjective effect).
>Lasers would work, to some extent.

I'll disagree with this. I was using some very narrow angle high output
LEDs at Christmas, and noted the colourful blobby effect on the walls of
the room. The idea of an LED alternative to a mirror ball went through
my head at the time, but it would be a visually different effect best
suited to darker environments.

Putting a pile of lasers into a rotating ball would certainly be an
interesting effect. Given that laser pointers can be bought in modest
quantities for less than a pound (UK), I guess that mass use of laser
diodes is also commercially viable.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

John Woodgate

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I read in sci.electronics.design that Clive Mitchell
<cl...@emanator.demon.co.uk> wrote (in <qlzmVzEW...@emanator.demon.
co.uk>) about 'First LED lit apartment', on Fri, 16 Jan 2004:

>I'll disagree with this. I was using some very narrow angle high output LEDs at
>Christmas, and noted the colourful blobby effect on the walls of the room.

Ah, well, that's cheating. Anything that I didn't think of is cheating.
(;-)

Amelia M. Samples

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"Clive Mitchell" <cl...@emanator.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Too bad the cheap ones only come in 1 color.

ddwyer

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Jan 18, 2004, 9:20:43 AM1/18/04
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In article <ioQd8LBQ...@jmwa.demon.co.uk>, John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.
demon.contraspam.yuk> writes

>>I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
>>light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
>>glow, taps glow, toilet seat & flush button glows, doorways and floor
>>edges light up. ect ect.
My suggestion is to employ a magnetron , line the walls with foil and
only heat the occupants not the room with microwave.
And of course have florescent spheres for lighting.
Note
At the Farnborough air show in the uk 1949? I was stood infront of an
aircraft nose cone radar and given an "unpowered" florescent tube to
light the room.
Dont remember feeling warm.

Only reply with money to MugDo...@hotmail.com

--
ddwyer

ddwyer

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Jan 18, 2004, 9:21:44 AM1/18/04
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In article <ec96e13a.04011...@posting.google.com>, Michael
<mic...@clift.com.au> writes

>
>I'd like a place where, rather than trying to light up a room, you
>light up anything that you need to touch or see, ie. drawer knobs
>glow, taps glow, toilet seat & flush button glows, doorways and floor
>edges light up. ect ect.
My suggestion is to employ a magnetron , line the walls with foil and
only heat the occupants not the room with microwave.
And of course have florescent spheres for lighting.
Note
At the Farnborough air show in the uk 1949? I was stood infront of an
aircraft nose cone radar and given an "unpowered" florescent tube to
light the room.
Dont remember feeling warm.
--
ddwyer

Michael

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ddwyer <d...@ddwyer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<Hk+xxgA4...@ddwyer.demon.co.uk>...

Had any kids since then?

ddwyer

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Jan 19, 2004, 5:21:02 PM1/19/04
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>> At the Farnborough air show in the uk 1949? (age 6 ) I was stood

infront of an
>> aircraft nose cone radar and given an "unpowered" florescent tube to
>> light the room.
>> Dont remember feeling warm.
>
>Had any kids since then?
4, had to wait a few years though.
--
ddwyer
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