Need a competent translation on Macross lawsuit article
Thik
case, I ask that someone competent in Japanese and English translate
the article found in the link below:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030121-00000097-mai-soci
This article may be of interest to Macross or Robotech fans.
Paul Blay
This may be a silly question, but how the heck did you find it and know
it's an article on the Macross lawsuit if you aren't competent in Japanese?
Paul Blay
OK, I'll take that back. The article in question was a bastard to translate.
A rough version of the start is ...
You'll just have to keep looking for that free 'competent' translation. :-P
ANIME: Macross
The Tokyo district court decision on the production copyright of the
Macross television anime broadcast in 82/3 was for 'Dragon's child
production' (ryuu no ko production) and against 'Stajio Nue' et al.
'Stajio Nue' won a separate lawsuite on the Macross character designs,
in Tokyo high last October, 2002, however the judge acknowledged
that 'Dragon's child production' bore responsibility for the production
of the anime.
Chris Kern
<ra...@saotome.demon.co.uk> posted the following:
>"Paul Blay" wrote ...
>> "Thik" wrote ...
>> > Since there are people who may be interested in the Macross lawsuit
>> > case, I ask that someone competent in Japanese and English translate
>> > the article found in the link below:
>> >
>> > http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030121-00000097-mai-soci
>> >
>> > This article may be of interest to Macross or Robotech fans.
>>
>> This may be a silly question, but how the heck did you find it and know
>> it's an article on the Macross lawsuit if you aren't competent in Japanese?
>
>OK, I'll take that back. The article in question was a bastard to translate.
The third paragraph is especially dense and hard to understand.
>A rough version of the start is ...
>You'll just have to keep looking for that free 'competent' translation. :-P
>
>ANIME: Macross
>The Tokyo district court decision on the production copyright of the
>Macross television anime broadcast in 82/3 was for 'Dragon's child
>production' (ryuu no ko production) and against 'Stajio Nue' et al.
>
>'Stajio Nue' won a separate lawsuite on the Macross character designs,
>in Tokyo high last October, 2002, however the judge acknowledged
>that 'Dragon's child production' bore responsibility for the production
>of the anime.
Here's what I came up with:
"Macross" creators have copyright, according to a decision by a Tokyo
district court
The copyright issue over the "Super Space-Time Base Macross" [or
whatever the hell this show is called] anime, which aired from
1982-1983, has been in dispute for a while. In the lawsuit of the
animation studio "tatsu no ko production" and the corporation "Studio
mee", a Tokyo district court (presiding judge Iimura Toshiaki) ruled
on the 20th that the copyright belongs to the plantiff, "tatsu no ko
production".
On the separate issue of the character designs for Macross, a Tokyo
high court ruled in favor of Studio Nue in October 2002. However,
speaking about this victory, presiding judge Iimura said that "The
responsibility for manufacturing the anime is with Tatsu no Ko
productions".
Copyright law gives the exclusive rights for use of anime to the
manufacturing companies rather than the production companies and
directors.
(Something)
Tatsu no Ko Productions has made anime like "Science Ninja Army
Gatchaman", and Studio Mee is responsible for the designs of shows
such as "Space Battleship Yamato".
[Whether this is of any interest to anime fans I don't know :-)]
-Chris
Thik
Let us say that someone on an anime message board brought the link to me.
Jorge R. Frank
news:86dp2v4um9i5d44rg...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:38:44 -0000, "Paul Blay"
><ra...@saotome.demon.co.uk> posted the following:
>
>>"Paul Blay" wrote ...
>>> "Thik" wrote ...
>>> > Since there are people who may be interested in the Macross
>>> > lawsuit case, I ask that someone competent in Japanese and English
>>> > translate the article found in the link below:
>>> >
>>> > http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030121-00000097-mai-soci
>>> >
>>> > This article may be of interest to Macross or Robotech fans.
>>>
>>> This may be a silly question, but how the heck did you find it and
>>> know it's an article on the Macross lawsuit if you aren't competent
>>> in Japanese?
>>
>>OK, I'll take that back. The article in question was a bastard to
>>translate.
>
> The third paragraph is especially dense and hard to understand.
>
>>A rough version of the start is ...
>>You'll just have to keep looking for that free 'competent'
>>translation. :-P
I'm not competent either, but I know a bit about Macross and the proper
nouns involved.
>>ANIME: Macross
>>The Tokyo district court decision on the production copyright of the
>>Macross television anime broadcast in 82/3 was for 'Dragon's child
>>production' (ryuu no ko production) and against 'Stajio Nue' et al.
>>
>>'Stajio Nue' won a separate lawsuite on the Macross character designs,
>>in Tokyo high last October, 2002, however the judge acknowledged
>>that 'Dragon's child production' bore responsibility for the
>>production of the anime.
>
> Here's what I came up with:
>
> "Macross" creators have copyright, according to a decision by a Tokyo
> district court
>
> The copyright issue over the "Super Space-Time Base Macross" [or
> whatever the hell this show is called]
"Super Dimensional Fortress Macross" (OK, I can see "dimensional" = "space-
time" and "base" = "fortress"...)
> anime, which aired from
> 1982-1983, has been in dispute for a while. In the lawsuit of the
> animation studio "tatsu no ko production"
"Tatsunoko" ("Seahorse?" It's their logo... see
http://www.tatsunoko.co.jp/index2.html).
> and the corporation "Studio
> mee",
Studio Nue (typo... you got it right in the later paragraph. Those hiragana
look damn similar, though.)
> On the separate issue of the character designs for Macross, a Tokyo
> high court ruled in favor of Studio Nue in October 2002. However,
> speaking about this victory, presiding judge Iimura said that "The
> responsibility for manufacturing the anime is with Tatsu no Ko
> productions".
> [Whether this is of any interest to anime fans I don't know :-)]
It helps a bit to untangle the complex web of companies involved, yes.
Thanks to you and Paul!
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to say is that Studio Nue owns the art copyrights for the mecha, ships,
people and emblems. Tatsunoko owns the production copyrights for Macross,
and thus have control over the distribution of the series, including
international rights.
"Jorge R. Frank" <jrf...@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
news:Xns930A3A8...@204.52.135.10...
Neil Nadelman
Okay, let's add a third try at this article. I dashed this off
quickly, so I apologize for any errors:
- Neil
<Anime> Tokyo District Court Awards Copyright to "Macross" Producer
In the case of the copyright dispute between production
company Tatsunoko Productions (Tokyo, Kokubunjishi city) and planning
company Studio Nue (Nerimaku city) over the TV anime series "Super
Dimensional Fortress Macross", which was broadcast in 1982-83, the
Tokyo district court (Presiding judge Toshimaki Iimura) ruled on the
20th in favor of the plaintiff, Tatsunoko Productions. Although
Studio Nue won a separate case over the Macross character designs in
October of 2002, Judge Iimura ruled that "The responsibility for the
production of the anime fell to Tatsunoko Productions."
Copyright law generally grants exclusive use rights of films
and TV anime series not to the planner or director but to the
productiuon company. In the decision, it was ruled that while Studio
Nue did act as the planning company in the completion of the "Macross"
series, the general director wasn't an employee of either company and
that Tatsunoko Productions acted in the role of establishing the
individual contracts of all parties involved in the advancement of the
overall production.
Tatsunoko Productions has produced such series as "Science
Ninja Team Gatchaman." Studio Nue has done designs for such series as
"Space Battleship Yamato."
(Article by Kenji Kiyomi for Mainichi Shimbun)
[Updated 20 Jan 2003 8:53 PM]
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I guess, Studio Nue has the rights for the Macross designs they made,
but Tatsunoko Productions has the rights for Macross the show.
So, while Tatsunoko can create more Macross shows,
if they use Studio Nue's designs, Tatsunoko would need Nue's permission.
Meanwhile, Studio Nue can market their Macross designs,
but Nue can't produce a Macross show without Tatsunoko's permission.
But then, does that mean both of them already share the rights for
the finished Macross show(s) produced by Tatsunoko using Nue's designs?
So one would need both of their permissions to license the show(s),
not just one or the other which was what occurred?
IIRC, copyright laws in America, the rights for "work-for-hire"
are given to one who hire, not to the hired production company.
So, did Studio Nue or anyone hire Tatsunoko Prod to make Macross,
or did Tatsunoko thought of it themselves then hired Studio Nue
to do some designs and planning for Tatsunoko?
Or were they partners who'd share the rights?
Laters. =)
Stan
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Christopher J. Sypal
<sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Neil Nadelman wrote:
>> <Anime> Tokyo District Court Awards Copyright to "Macross" Producer
>>
>> In the case of the copyright dispute between production
>> company Tatsunoko Productions (Tokyo, Kokubunjishi city) and planning
>> company Studio Nue (Nerimaku city) over the TV anime series "Super
>> Dimensional Fortress Macross", which was broadcast in 1982-83, the
>> Tokyo district court (Presiding judge Toshimaki Iimura) ruled on the
>> 20th in favor of the plaintiff, Tatsunoko Productions. Although
>> Studio Nue won a separate case over the Macross character designs in
>> October of 2002, Judge Iimura ruled that "The responsibility for the
>> production of the anime fell to Tatsunoko Productions."
>I guess, Studio Nue has the rights for the Macross designs they made,
>but Tatsunoko Productions has the rights for Macross the show.
>So, while Tatsunoko can create more Macross shows,
>if they use Studio Nue's designs, Tatsunoko would need Nue's permission.
>Meanwhile, Studio Nue can market their Macross designs,
>but Nue can't produce a Macross show without Tatsunoko's permission.
I thought that this is only pertaining to the original Macross series' rights,
and not Macross as a whole. If I remember right, Harmony Gold got their
rights through Tatsunoko, which was part of the reason for this legal battle.
Thik
> On 20 Jan 2003 11:22:04 -0800, rgm...@hotmail.com (Thik) wrote:
>
> >Since there are people who may be interested in the Macross lawsuit
> >case, I ask that someone competent in Japanese and English translate
> >the article found in the link below:
> >
> >http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20030121-00000097-mai-soci
> >
> >This article may be of interest to Macross or Robotech fans.
>
> Okay, let's add a third try at this article. I dashed this off
> quickly, so I apologize for any errors:
>
> - Neil
>
>
<snip translation.
Thank you Neil for the translation. This will benefit Macross fans who
many be interested on the legal issue of Macross.
Goma Abura
<Anime> Tokyo District Court determines [Macross] production side has
the copyright
The copyright roundabout over the TV animation [Choujiku Yousai
Macross] that was broadcast between 1982-1983, in a lawsuit battle
between the animation production company Tatsunoko Production
(Kokubunji, Tokyo based) and the project company Studio Nue (Arima-kum
Tokyo based), the Tokyo District Court on the 20th, determined that
the plaintiff, Tatsunoko Production is the copyright holder.
On the lawsuit over the [Macross] character design artwork, the Tokyo
Supreme Court on 10/2002, determined that Studio Nue had won the
rights, but Justice Imura acknowledged that "Tatsunoko Prod was the
one that took on the responsiblity of the animation production".
As a general rule, the copyright law gives exclusive property
copyrights of movies and TV anime to the production company, not to
the project planners or the director. The decision was determined by
the fact that "Studio Nue did the planning, but it was Tatsunoko Prod
that contracted and managed a third-party director that handled the
overall creation" of [Macross] to it's completion.
Tatsunoko Prod produced [Kagaku Ninja Tai Gatchaman], Studio Nue is
known for the design of [Uchu Senkan Yamato].
[Shimizu Kenji](Mainichi Shinbun)
Robotech_Master
<ra...@tigerpaw.com> wrote:
> Ran the article through Infoseek and Excites' translators. What it
> appears to say is that Studio Nue owns the art copyrights for the
> mecha, ships, people and emblems. Tatsunoko owns the production
> copyrights for Macross, and thus have control over the distribution
> of the series, including international rights.
And, much like the Biblical Esau selling his birthright for a bowl of
stew, Tatsunoko sold the distribution rights to all Macross
properties, both present and future, to Harmony Gold at the time they
were making Robotech. Which is, I gather, the reason for the big
legal fuss that's going on: Big West wants those rights back, and
they're doing everything in their power to get them.
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