Electric Scooters for RV
Paul T.
expert (Neon John I think), but we are looking at various models and
would like to know what to look for. Also which brands are
recommended.
Thanks for any and all help.
Paul
.JIMinMA.
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watts. It is not a hill climber but it does ok on moderate grades. I got 17
MPH per GPS on the level. It has large but narrow tires for a scooter. It is
not well suited for grass or dirt roads, and I think gravel roads would tear
up the tires fairly quickly. My scooter came with a headlight, turn signals,
horn, band brake, brake light, and some led gauges.
Most of that stuff is close to useless. I would have liked a stronger brake
and a headlight that would light up the road ahead for at least 25 feet. The
gauges give you only a rough idea how much juice is left in the battery.
When folded for storage you have to pad the body so the handlebars and seat
don't rub the paint off. Construction is light and I don't expect this thing
to last a long time. Since the manufacturer didn't offer his name, address,
or phone number in the owners manual, I can assume that when it needs a
repair part I'll be out of luck.
In terms of Bang for the Buck, I think I got a pretty good deal at $129. I
have had fun with it, and it certainly has met my expectations.
Neon John can probably give you good information on better quality scooters.
Jim
Neon John
In a nutshell, for 2 wheel scooters, Currie/Schwinn is the only way to go.
Sam's has a low power Schwinn labeled Currie for under $200. It has a 500
watt motor. Adequate for gentle grades and normal size people. For larger
people, the high end F18 the ticket. You may have to replace the wheels with
cast aluminum mags from http://www.evdeals.com. Good place to buy the Currie.
Scott's an honest guy.
For the person who wants the ultimate,
The 400 amp one is simply awesome. I'm on the waiting list for one.
For three wheel scooters, the City Shuttle is the best. This is one that the
chinese have knocked off so one must be careful. The real city Shuttle is
made in Tawain, has an aluminum frame, has a 1 hp motor, has a lift-out
battery tray, has regenerative braking and has a funnel shaped headlight. The
price will be in the $800 range. The knockoffs have as small as 200 watt
motors, non-lift out batteries, no regenerative braking and a steel frame.
The headlight is somewhat bullet shaped.
Here's a photo of my knockoff Shuttle and my latest project, a tiny trailer:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/files/rv/Scooter/scooter%20and%20trailer.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/files/rv/Scooter/Underside.jpg
This is set up for car show tramping, with the large external battery and the
trailer.
I bought the knockoff because I intended on redesigning several aspects. I
sold my TIG outfit recently and so needed the steel construction for
weldibility. I've rebuilt the drivetrain with a high power motor and
controller, more powerful than the real City Shuttle, and Hawker batteries
(accept nothing less). I can either leave the external battery where it is or
carry it on the trailer.
I built this trailer last night and am waiting on the paint to dry. When it
does I'll mount some of that perforated angle on each side for the bungee
cords to attach to. I'll also apply anti-skid tape to the surface.
This trailer was built using two 8 ft sticks of that perf angle, a sheet of
thin plywood, a pair of cart wheels from Northern Tools, a 1/2" aluminum axle
and a 1/2" steel tubing tongue with a clevis hitch on the end. Everything
except the wheels came from Lowe's. The front of the trailer where the tongue
attaches contains a piece of case hardened angle that serves as a torsion
spring. The tongue tubing is also case-hardened. If case hardening isn't
available then use a somewhat larger diameter tube. The wheels are held on
with hairpin clips. The trailer can be disassembled in minutes into a very
compact stack that will fit in any trunk or compartment.
One word of warning. There has been a flood of very cheap chinese scooters
hit the market in the last year. Everyone from Flying J to the pawn shops are
selling them. That spammer who hits this group every so often sells them.
They are absolute junk. The motor is as small as 200 watts and generates
mostly heat. The controller can't drive the motor to full power. The wiring
is 14 and 16 ga wire. The SLAs are junk that will barely survive 50 cycles at
the high discharge rate a scooter requires. The wheels are very thin cast
aluminum and break easily.
You might want to spend some time on the evdeals website. Scott actually dyno
tests every scooter he can get his hands on. He demonstrates the chicom
version of specsmanship, eg, lying. He carries a nice line of products
including the Curries.
Feel free to ask any other questions. For me the electric scooter is my day
in and day out transportation. I live in the back of my restaurant and am
within a couple of miles of most places I need to go. I only use the car for
out of town trips and when it's raining. I have put hundreds of miles on my
scooters and so know what the weak points are. I'm not one of those blinded
by green light, wild-eyed econazis so I won't hype EV BS. LEVs have their
places in the scheme of things but they won't replace fuel-driven vehicles any
time soon, if ever.
John
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Neon John
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>In a nutshell, for 2 wheel scooters, Currie/Schwinn is the only way to go.
>Sam's has a low power Schwinn labeled Currie for under $200.
Oops, should be $300.
HocusPocus
thanks in advance
HP
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Neon John
wrote:
>Neon John: Your opine on the Vego 600 please.
>thanks in advance
>HP
Just this once I took a look even though you didn't provide me a URL :-)
I don't have any personal experience with this scooter. However some
thoughts.
A 600 watt motor will not maintain 17 mph on a significant grade with a 200 lb
rider. I have a spreadsheet that I can calculate the exact data but I know
from experience about this. I have a total of 1000 watts of power on my
Currie using very efficient brushless DC motors. I can maintain about 12 mph
on a 4% grade. I weight 285 lbs so I'm larger than most folks. Give it a
couple more MPH for someone in the 200-250 lb range.
I do not like cog belt drives. Cog belts don't last long when exposed to road
dirt and gravel. One of the common complaints is that a gravel under the belt
will pop it off. My Badsey (junk) uses a cog belt and I have that problem
fairly frequently. Like my Badsey, this scooter's rear sprocket is almost the
same diameter as the tire, placing it down in the dirt, so to speak.
Chain drives make a tiny bit more noise but last forever.
The motor mount really sucks. The entire motor mass is cantilevered off the
front flange. Badsey made the same foolish design mistake. The badsey flange
breaks off on the first good bump. This motor's flange is steel instead of
aluminum but all that means is it'll take awhile longer to fatigue. This
scooter is worse than the Badsey because the motor is mounted on the swingarm
and is subjected to wheel shock.
This bad design has made for a nice aftermarket for folks like me and Scott at
EVdeals.com to make better motor mounts. Here's Scott's:
From the photos I can't really tell whether such a mount could be made for
this scooter.
I can't rationalize the claimed weight with the battery capacity. If it
really does weigh only 68 lbs, then the rest of the scooter has to be VERY
light indeed.
I think the range claim is a bit extravagant. With the claimed battery
capacity and speed I don't think it will do it. That range probably is
possible if the speed is held down to the most efficient, usually around 10
mph.
I hate drum brakes. Bicycle disc brakes are so cheap and work so well that I
just can't see the justification.
The price is IMHO, bordering on outrageous.
I don't like plastic/fiberglass bodies. They fairly quickly get scuffed and
add little functionality.
On the positive side:
Nice looking
Nice wheels. The look somewhat stronger than the ones we're using on Curries.
Good tires - the Kendas are what I use.
Free wheeling - extends range by not forcing the motor to turn when coasting.
Lift-out battery pack. Very nice.
Keylock. Helps cut down on the theft potential.
Here's a dealer with a good reputation that provides some good info on the
scooter:
http://www.nycewheels.com/vesx600elsc.html
Here is Scott's dyno test of that scooter:
http://www.evdeals.com/DynoData.htm/VegoSX600.htm
I personally would not buy another scooter with a belt drive and I'd shy away
from drum brakes and polymer bodies for the above reasons. And I'd not pay
that much money for low speed scooter. My standards are fairly high, since I
know what I can do with available components. This looks to be a competent
scooter but it is overpriced, IMHO. I still think the Currie line is the best
bang for the buck in the sub-$600 range.
El Alumbrado
> A 600 watt motor will not maintain 17 mph on a significant grade with a
200 lb
> rider. I have a spreadsheet that I can calculate the exact data but I
know
> from experience about this. I have a total of 1000 watts of power on my
> Currie using very efficient brushless DC motors. I can maintain about 12
mph
> on a 4% grade. I weight 285 lbs so I'm larger than most folks. Give it a
> couple more MPH for someone in the 200-250 lb range.
"In Fourteen Hundred and Ninety Two,
Columbus Sailed the Ocean Blue,
Divide the Son of a Bitch By Two,
And That's the Number of Watt's in a Horsepower"
Ergo, 1000 watts is about 1.25 horsepower, or about 5 times what an
"average" bicyclist can put out over any distance. What kind of range have
you been seeing on your scooter?
I go to Oshkosh every summer for the Experimental Aircraft Association
convention and airshow, and this place is huge (if you have any interest at
all in aviation, *go*! There's usually about 15,000, yes, "fifteen
thousand", aircraft there and about a million aviation-minded people. The
drawback is that the grounds are "enormous". Road-worthy vehicles are
restricted, so I've been thinking about buying a couple of electric scooters
to get around (I imagine they'd come in handy other places, too).
Thanks, John. Great stuff.
El Alumbrado
"Civis Texanus Sum"
Neon John
wrote:
>"In Fourteen Hundred and Ninety Two,
>Columbus Sailed the Ocean Blue,
>Divide the Son of a Bitch By Two,
>And That's the Number of Watt's in a Horsepower"
Or 746 watts for nerds....
>
>Ergo, 1000 watts is about 1.25 horsepower, or about 5 times what an
>"average" bicyclist can put out over any distance.
The rule of thumb used in e-bicycle circles is the average human can make a
half HP on a long term basis. No personal experience, as I don't touch the
things.
>What kind of range have
>you been seeing on your scooter?
That's a hard number to quote because I make battery arrangements according to
what I'm doing. I only use the 3 wheeler when I'm forced to. Some car shows
won't allow in 2 wheel scooters even with a handicap placards. They MUST
allow in the 3 wheelers so that's what I take. The three wheeler does have
the advantage of allowing you to just step off and not have to put down a kick
stand.
I much prefer the Currie. Much more maneuverable and powerful and can pull
the same trailer. I need to get up a picture of my Currie. I've added a
second motor and a second battery pack. At 10 mph I can get perhaps 15 miles
out of this setup on level ground. Wide open (currently geared for 18 mph and
good hill climbing) perhaps 8. Lots of starting and stopping, such as at
shows, much less.
>
>I go to Oshkosh every summer for the Experimental Aircraft Association
>convention and airshow, and this place is huge (if you have any interest at
>all in aviation, *go*! There's usually about 15,000, yes, "fifteen
>thousand", aircraft there and about a million aviation-minded people. The
>drawback is that the grounds are "enormous". Road-worthy vehicles are
>restricted, so I've been thinking about buying a couple of electric scooters
>to get around (I imagine they'd come in handy other places, too).
Yeah, I really want to go to the Fly In. Maybe next year.
For large events like that where you'll be stopping and starting frequently
and idling along at walking speed, you have to make some provisions for extra
power. In my case, that is a combination of removable battery packs, extra
batteries, a quick charger and portable generator.
The extra battery is appropriate for when you'll be traveling a moderate
distance from your SBO (scooter base of operations :-) and you know there will
be no shore power available. removable packs are for when you can branch out
from your SBO in a daisy pattern, returning to change packs as needed. You
can recharge the packs with your generator or shore power. You can carry an
extra removable pack just in case.
For long distances where it is unlikely you can get back to the SBO or find
shore power, a cordless battery charger is appropriate. There are two
approaches. One involves a quick charger and the smallest conventional
generator you can find, carried on the trailer.
My solution was to buy one of those tiny little 2-stroke chicom 300 watt
inverter generators that Harbor Freight was selling last year. The whole
thing weighs under 12 lbs. I removed the inverter and rewound the stator to
generate about 30 volts at full throttle. It'll do 10 amps at that voltage
which will charge a set of 17 ah batteries in about 2 hours. Or top 'em off
in a few minutes. Or supply cruise power indefinitely.
I also HIGHLY recommend a quick charger. Soneil makes a very good, if a bit
expensive, switchmode quick charger. The charger is smart so you can charge
at up to about 1.5C if the weather isn't too hot. The charger is physically
very small. When you're in a place with widespread power availability, such
as a fairground or expo center, you can stop frequently, plug in and top off
while looking at things in the area.
That's the way I do the Georgia state fair each year. The fairgrounds are
almost a mile and a half long. I can go all day running back and forth and
another half mile back to the RV using the quick charger. There are 120vac
outlets everywhere.
This also works in cities and is known in scooterdom as "leeching". Outlets
installed for illuminated signs and the like are great leech locations. Easy
to leech at Wallyworld and the like by pushing the scooter inside, asking the
door guard to keep an eye on it and plugging it in where they charge the
handicap scooters.
A couple of years ago the subject of leeching ethics came up on a mailing
list. It quickly devolved into the sort of "discussion" that pollutes this
group. I did some measurements and computations and found that it take about
3 cents' worth of electricity to completely charge my Currie's batteries at
the local rate. I just can't get cranked over that. I do try to buy
something from wherever I leech but that's about it.
One other comment. The 3 three wheel scooter is superior to geezer scooters
in most applications where the rider can walk and has balance, even if only a
little. It is cheaper, lighter (my Shuttle weighs about 40 lbs with the pack
out), much more nimble (the Shuttle leans in turns) and much faster than the
heavily regulated geezer scooters.
My mom, who has emphasema, has a Shuttle. She's not capable of walking much
more than to the mailbox and back. She enthusiastically rides her Shuttle.
The extra speed (about 18mph at her weight) really makes a difference even
when traveling the short distance between the parking lot and a store. I had
a hard time convincing her that spending $400 out of pocket was a better
solution than insurance paid geezer scooter she almost bought. Now she'd
never go back.
Paul T.
Thanks alot John.
Paul
HocusPocus
Sorry about the URL, but I thought you had seen it at evdeals.com where he
has a pitch for it.Thanks again for the comments as I have no knowledge on
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Tom Marik
>Ergo, 1000 watts is about 1.25 horsepower, or about 5 times what an "average"
bicyclist can put out over any distance.
The rule of thumb used in e-bicycle circles is the average human can make a
half HP on a long term basis. No personal experience, as I don't touch the
things. >>
The more usual 150 pound human is in good shape to hold a quarter horse power
for a few minutes.
Tom M, just did my 2,000 foot climb.
Frank Howell
was interested. Following the thread and Neon John's advice about these
products, I did some homework and chose a Currie Trailz. It helped when I
found out Currie is located in Van Nuys Ca, about 7 miles from me. When I
went to there to see thier products, I found out that they would not sell
direct to me and pointed to a new retailer just a mile from my house. I have
used it on my last RV trip to Robinson Creek to go from the C.G. to Twin
Lakes to rent a boat. A little over a mile and on the way back, stopped at
the store and picked up fresh buns, ice, 6 pack of Coke. Worked out great. I
did replace the stock rear basket, with a much larger basket.
Frank Howell
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Frank Howell
I looked into the City Shuttle, because of my 2-wheeled challenged wife, and
the importer at Sarasota, FL stated that
the City Shuttle was discontinued, due to high manufacturing costs. They did
have the 4 wheel City Bug, but I passed on it.
Another trend I noticed was stale web sites. Most notable was sites
advertising HYC Excaliber scooters. The Excaliber looked good to me, but
after calling 4 or 5 sites about availablity, I found
out HYC was out of business. So Currie it was.
Frank Howell
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> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:52:10 GMT, "Paul T." <budm...@erols.com> wrote:
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> For three wheel scooters, the City Shuttle is the best. This is one that
the
> chinese have knocked off so one must be careful. The real city Shuttle is
> made in Tawain, has an aluminum frame, has a 1 hp motor, has a lift-out
> battery tray, has regenerative braking and has a funnel shaped headlight.
The
> price will be in the $800 range. The knockoffs have as small as 200 watt
> motors, non-lift out batteries, no regenerative braking and a steel frame.
> The headlight is somewhat bullet shaped.
> John De Armond
Steve Wolf
It's about time for a nice PDF article that summarizes your experiences
(like the one you authored about inverter generators).
Steve
El Alumbrado
> Yeah, I really want to go to the Fly In. Maybe next year.
>
> For large events like that where you'll be stopping and starting
frequently
> and idling along at walking speed, you have to make some provisions for
extra
> power. In my case, that is a combination of removable battery packs, extra
> batteries, a quick charger and portable generator.
Once again, great info John. Thanks.
I would probably use the scooters only for transport from the RV to the
flight line, so we don't have to carry folding chairs, coolers, umbrellas,
etc. a couple of miles (there are shuttle buses, but they're usually "jammed
packed"). On the way back, they'd come in handy for hauling all of the
"treasures" we bought from the "Fly Market" flea market. A range of about
3-5 miles would be more than enough.
Neon John
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wrote:
>John
>
>I looked into the City Shuttle, because of my 2-wheeled challenged wife, and
>the importer at Sarasota, FL stated that
>the City Shuttle was discontinued, due to high manufacturing costs. They did
>have the 4 wheel City Bug, but I passed on it.
>Another trend I noticed was stale web sites. Most notable was sites
>advertising HYC Excaliber scooters. The Excaliber looked good to me, but
>after calling 4 or 5 sites about availablity, I found
>out HYC was out of business. So Currie it was.
>
>Frank Howell
That's the aggravating part of e-scootering. The market hasn't yet hit a
critical mass so the dealers and even manufacturers are tiny, hang on by
threads and come and go all the time.
the story I got on the Shuttle from a dealer in the midwest was that the major
importer had quit importing the real shuttle because of the cost. I have
heard that someone else picked it up but I haven't looked too hard to find the
info. I'm going to try to run into a major dealer while in Daytona this year.
he had a boatload of real Shuttles last year. Maybe he'll have some this year
or will know where to get them.
I'm giving very serious thought about putting together a retrofit kit that
will bring the knockoffs up to the standard of the original. This would
include a more powerful motor and controller and some sort of removable
battery pack. That would bring the cost back up about that of the real
Shuttle but it would be worth it for people who actually use their scooters.
John
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scooters and bike kits, several of the Taiwan manufactures are moving all or
part of their production to mainland China, this includes Currie. I think I
am going to go the Currie bike kit route if / / when they are available
again.
HP
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