NOTICE TENNESSEE SPEED TRAP
telestar
system to write traffic tickets. Be especially careful the last week of
the month when they are trying to amke up ground on their quotas. The
Polic Commissioner denies this. However,the city Cop that works as a
secutity guard part time at my daughter's employer confirmed this after
my daughter was given a ticket by another officer for speeding. She had
sped up to pass a semi and hadn't time to slow down yet. The cop sais he
wouldn't give her a ticket but if he didn't he would be put on another
shift. he wanted to stay on day shift.
Steve Wolf
killed during the Easter weekend last year on Ohio roads. I'm really happy
to hear Tennessee takes their traffic enforcement seriously.
AINut
in and of itself, does NOT cause accidents. If you have a wreck, the
faster you're going the worse the damage will be in all probability.
Focus on the #1 cause of accidents: FAILURE TO YIELD RIGHT-OF-WAY and
get off the "speed" soapbox. It is only a money machine for local
legalized theft.
AI Nut
Jon Porter
"Tom G" <gs...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:uaf8idp...@corp.supernews.com...
> http://www.speedtrap.com/
>
> a helpful site for those that travel
>
Thanks, but no thanks! I don't intentionally speed much, so I don't worry
about it.
Steve Wolf
> in and of itself, does NOT cause accidents. If you have a wreck, the
> faster you're going the worse the damage will be in all probability.
There are a number of problems with your argument. One is the fact that
yielding the right-of-way is more difficult when speeding. Never mind
that. I am thankful that those with your attitude are summarily removed
from the road by revocation of their right to drive after ignoring the law
the requisite number of times. These aren't taxes, they are punishments
for abusing your rights in society. Your forum is in your state capital,
not here. It is there you can move to change the laws to suit your
driving.
Wes Stewart
|> Steve, you're making the same propaganda line as most folks. Speeding,
|> in and of itself, does NOT cause accidents. If you have a wreck, the
|> faster you're going the worse the damage will be in all probability.
|
|There are a number of problems with your argument. One is the fact that
|yielding the right-of-way is more difficult when speeding. Never mind
|that.
So, lemme see here, if the speed limit is 55 mph, according to *your* argument,
it must follow that traveling at 54 mph is "safe" but going 56 mph is "unsafe."
Then it must be "really safe" to do, say 45 mph in the fast lane on the 75 mph
Interstate. In fact, I believe I was behind you a few times. Thank you for
imposing your idea of "safety" on me. I am incapable of knowing what is good
for me, so your helpfulness is really appreciated.
|I am thankful that those with your attitude are summarily removed
|from the road by revocation of their right to drive after ignoring the law
|the requisite number of times. These aren't taxes, they are punishments
|for abusing your rights in society. Your forum is in your state capital,
|not here. It is there you can move to change the laws to suit your
|driving.
And what does one do when government ignores the law and punishes the innocent?
Lobby the state house?
Case in point:
There is a relatively new roadway here in Tucson that is about the closest thing
(thankfully) to a freeway that's going to get built in this town. It is a grade
depressed, four to six lane, divided, limited access road. Since it was built
as a boondoggle with state and federal funds (that's what bureaucrats call our
tax money) it bears a State of Arizona highway designation. (I forget the
number at the moment)
As such, it was built to 55 (or greater) mph standards. However, most of the
highway is within the city limits of Tucson, so the city took it upon itself to
post the speed limit at 35 mph. A law student attending the University of
Arizona was cited for exceeding that 35 mph limit and took his case to court.
It seems that the city is required to obtain the permission of the state before
tinkering with the speed limits on state highways, and of course, they hadn't
bothered, so the charge was dismissed. This made to local newspapers and there
followed a number of appeals of previous convictions by other folks.
Now one would think that after all of this, the city would run out and replace
all of the speed limit signs and stop citing motorists who are driving faster
than the "proven to be illegal" 35 mph.
One would be wrong. It took another case and appeal before the city finally
gave up on this "punishment for abusing your rights in society" scheme.
Another example: It is state law that the speed limit can not be reduced in
increments greater than 10 mph, yet there are multitudes of communities that
drop the limit from 55 to 35 in one step, with the local cops hiding in the
bushes to snag the "scofflaws."
So what's the matter with exposing this crap here?
MVolz
<snip>
Here in Texas within a reasonable time after the lifting of the 55 speed limit the
state DOT actually determined the normal speed of traffic on most federal and state
highways and FM roads to set speed limits. Eliminated many speed traps on interstate
feeder roads by local municipalities. Like many states we have a "prima facia" law
that lawyers use to negate many speeding tickets not too far off of the legal limit.
Atty business is now booming with the reduction back to 55 in Metro areas to reduce
pollution. I've NEVER seen a 6-lane interstate without heavy traffic NOT moving at
70 mph. Was absolutely amazed when visiting D.C. area to see everyone going so
sloooowly.
Marv
Steve Wolf
debate AND CHANGE your issue. Go, get off your a$$ and get it changed.
telestar
newsgroup. You should be interested unless you have found some novel way of
transporting your rv that doesn't involve the roadways. And I don't want ot
hear your socialist whinning that we must follow all speed laws whether
illegal or rediculous or not.
"Steve Wolf" <sw...@wolfelectric.com> wrote in message
news:a8d6dk$l56$1...@plonk.apk.net...
Steve Wolf
> It is perfectly acceptable to post information about speed traps on this
> newsgroup. You should be interested unless you have found some novel way
of
> transporting your rv that doesn't involve the roadways. And I don't want
ot
> hear your socialist whinning that we must follow all speed laws whether
> illegal or rediculous or not.
You're saying it's ok to post and whine. I agree with you. However,
nothing will change here. If you desire change, then make it happen. Work
for it.
As for obeying the law being a socialist concept ... I will have to suggest
this thread has there and then shown signs of being a bit too odd for my
tastes.
Pete Dumbleton
Having been a victim of a local practice in Dothan Alabama of giving
tickets to "technically speeding" out-of-towners, I appreciate the
warning. While I don't normally speed, I do go with the flow. City
cop knew where the local flow would ignore a drop & rise in limits and
was staked out on a sunday morning. If I know there's a practice like
that going on, I will slow down regardless of the flow (but not enuf
to invite an "impeding traffic" citation.
Pete
bill horne
This is not news, but I drive 8 over nearly everywhere. The last time I
got a ticket for 8 over was in Texas in the 70's. If a speeding ticket
every 25 years or so is the price I must pay to be completely
unconcerned about cops or speed traps, then it's worth it to me - even
if it should mean a ticket every 10 years.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
Don
Dumbleton) wrote:
Since I work late most weekend nights, I know that the bar-crowd hits
the highways (raceways) after 1 and 2am. I am always amazed when the
cops are NOT out in force, waiting for the "racers" who are ALWAYS on
the highway. And they race in sets of two or three, weaving in and
out of the traffic.
Then, on Sunday morning, quiet, peaceful, folks, family groups and
friends, headed to church or to the lake, all of the cops are
everywhere, waiting to pull them over.
They let the Saturday night drunks endanger lives of hundreds of
people and they arrest folks going to the lake!!!
How odd.
D*
Cynicism is an unpleasant way of saying the truth.
- Lilliam Hellman
Jon Porter
<n7ws at yahoo.com (Wes Stewart)> wrote in message
news:3ca9d2c...@news.triconet.org...
>
> As such, it was built to 55 (or greater) mph standards. However, most of
the
> highway is within the city limits of Tucson, so the city took it upon
itself to
> post the speed limit at 35 mph. A law student attending the University of
> Arizona was cited for exceeding that 35 mph limit and took his case to
court.
>
> It seems that the city is required to obtain the permission of the state
before
> tinkering with the speed limits on state highways, and of course, they
hadn't
> bothered, so the charge was dismissed. This made to local newspapers and
there
> followed a number of appeals of previous convictions by other folks.
>
That law student wasn't first to do that! It has also happened in Ohio some
years back where the municipality decided to lower speed limits where it had
no jurisdiction to do so. The city lost.
Neon John
apparachick. Look at his web site. He sells (or sold) traffic
control equipment.
BTW, whomever reported on Chattanooga's situation got it almost right.
There's not a quota per se. But promotions are based on points
accumulated by writing tickets, among other things. This is apt to
make the cops even more ticket-happy than a mere quota.
This isn't the first time for chatta. A few years ago my wife
experienced this fine system that Wolf so defends. She got a ticket
for speeding in a school zone. Problem was, she was sitting
stock-still in a traffic jam. Seems this semi-literate school
crossing nazi just went down the line writing tickets to collect
points. All the tickets were thrown out but it did cost her and me a
day off from work.
John
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:45:16 -0600, "telestar" <dow...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
---
John De Armond
johngdDO...@bellsouth.com
http://personal.bellsouth.net/~johngd
Cleveland, Occupied TN
Neon John
>This is not news, but I drive 8 over nearly everywhere. The last time I
>got a ticket for 8 over was in Texas in the 70's. If a speeding ticket
>every 25 years or so is the price I must pay to be completely
>unconcerned about cops or speed traps, then it's worth it to me - even
>if it should mean a ticket every 10 years.
Unfortunately, Bill, it's no longer that simple. With the widespread
police corruption and the official wink, wink, nod, nod, an encounter
with the local gestapo is likely to be more unpleasant than a mere tax
on driving fast.
One of the more popular schemes, so my lawyer tells me, is to use a
drug dog trained to mark on command as an excuse to get in your
vehicle, whereupon the cops either steal what they like or plant dope
if they don't find anything interesting.
I got caught up in just such an operation last year in Knoxville, TN.
I was headed over to the NC coast to a shooting match with a friend in
the MH when I got stopped, allegedly for doing 68 in a 55 zone.
Fortunately for me I not only had a witness but also a GPS track log
proving otherwise. The pigs had this act choreographed to the second.
Almost the instant the pig gave me the speeding ticket, his accomplice
showed up with the drug dog. The dog never got within 20 feet of my
rig but the dog cop claimed that it marked. On my propane tank.
That gave them the excuse to search my rig, tearing it apart in the
process. Of course they never looked at the propane tank. They
dumped water in my waterproof gun cases (something I didn't catch
until after my match pistols were rusted), tore off cabinet doors,
stole $200 in emergency funds I had stashed behind a cabinet and stole
a pistol. Then, even though the firearms were in the extreme rear of
the motorhome, locked in the bathroom, they cited me for illegal carry
to cover their tracks. What was very interesting was to see all the
places they DIDN'T look, including the 'fridge and most of the
cabinets. Looks like they searched until they found the money and
then quit.
Funny thing happened on the way to court. They didn't bother to file
a report. After some poking around by my lawyer, armed with the
serial number of the pistol, it suddenly turned up in the evidence
locker and was returned. Unfortunately I didn't have the serial
numbers on my money.
Of course, the citations were tossed. Invalid on their faces. But it
cost me $2500 in legal fees plus the $200 plus several thousand $$$ in
ruined firearms.
Seems that I'm one of many victims of Knoxville. There are several
huge federal class action civil rights suits underway against
knoxville over this tactic. We're now trying to decide whether to
join one of the class actions or to sue independently. 9/11 has
complicated things because we're now supposed to tolerate any level of
police abuse in the name of fighting terrorism. Before 9/11, my
lawyer had given me about a 95% chance of winning. Now it's 50-50 at
best.
My lawyer told me something else interesting. Seems this Knoxville
mafia in blue is concentrating on RVs. The theory is that there's
more stuff to steal in an RV plus if they either find some contraband
or decide to plant some, the subsequent theft by civil forfeiture is a
much larger score than a simple car.
In the RV I don't speed and use my GPS to verify my speed. Before
this experience, I figured that would be enough to avoid any hassles
with the pigs. I was wrong, of course. I was simply fortunate that I
had a non-related passenger and that I was playing around with a GPS
logging program that night. Nowadays I run the logging program ALL
the time and am seriously thinking about putting a police-style in-car
camera system in my rig so as to help protect myself against these
thieves. First time I find a used system for sale cheap I probably
will.
Quite amazing, isn't it, that this sort of thing is happening in this
country. Of course, since 9/11, people can't hand over their
liberties fast enough. Sad, very sad.
John
Wes Stewart
wrote:
|You're arguing with the enemy. He's part of the fee grabbing
|apparachick. Look at his web site. He sells (or sold) traffic
|control equipment.
Bingo! Good catch. He's part of the "traffic engineering" (an oxymoron if there
ever was one) establishment.
For an example of traffic "engineers" at play one need look no further than your
local airport.
Take a bunch of harried, tired travelers, who don't even know where north is.
Put them in strange rental cars, present them with a barrage of conflicting
signage and lights, make them circle the parking lot three times to get them
good and wound up and then spit them out into traffic. What a good laugh.
It's a good thing these guys aren't designing air-to-air missiles; our pilots
would be shooting themselves down.
Pete Dumbleton
using video and marked currency...
Pete
Neon John <johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<3cfoaukq1iv6l8oq5...@4ax.com>...
Guess Who?
shakedowns under color of authority. They frequently have big rolls of
cash, because their phony IDs make it hard to use banks, and they often
have guns, since they can't call the cops.
I've heard the "dirty" cops take both, since they won't try fighting
the crooked sonzabitches, usually Hispanic LEOs, who let them go, after
robbing them
Once in a while, the crooked cops get caught, and are so scared
they'll run into one of their past victims in prison,that they try to
"PC up" (seek protective custody) soon as they hit the line.........
The "honest cops" (sic) confiscate their money, pending investigation
for drug trafficking, then the "Agency" ends up keeping it, after the
illegals have been deported.
There isn't anything fair, nor pretty, about it. I expect it's a lot
worse, since 911.
All LEOs aren't like that, but being a Wetback is a tough row to hoe.
There's lots of people out to "skin" them. I expect it was the same
during the "Gold Rush", only now the "Rush", is for a minimum wage job,
or welfare medical benefits.....
Don
Will Sill
John, who was whining about how he was hassled by police and allegedly
robbed. To me, he deserved whatever happened to him because of his
miserable attitude, revealed by this line:
>>The pigs had this act choreographed to the second.
What we have here is an anti-social misfit crying the blues - probably
dishonestly, BTW - over allegations of official abuse be people he has
obvious contempt for.
Will Sill KD3XR
I agree with Al Schweitzer, who said "Man has lost the
capacity to forsee and to forstall, and he will end up
destroying the earth."
Steph and Dud B.
things The Man does - like running into a burning skyscraper and evacuating
people until the building falls on them. The bastards!
--
Dudley - http://members.aol.com/stephndudb/rv.html
"Camping" in 5000 pounds of stick and tin.
"Neon John" <johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3cfoaukq1iv6l8oq5...@4ax.com...
Sandy A. Nicolaysen
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
<good story snipped for brevity>
>Nowadays I run the logging program ALL
>the time and am seriously thinking about putting a police-style in-car
>camera system in my rig so as to help protect myself against these
>thieves. First time I find a used system for sale cheap I probably
>will.
John: I installed my own video system after being a victim of road
rage here in NJ. The way the law works here is that the largest
vehicle is ALWAYS guilty. Just because a Peterbilt toting 96,000 lbs
can't stop on a dime like a Honda Civic is no excuse.
I'm lucky not to have been involved in an incident since, but the
video has helped prove two cases involving other drivers when I had
been a bystander.
PC cameras are dirt cheap, free with a rebate. Diskless PCs are
available very cheap (~$200) and are the size of a cable converter
box. Power usage for mine is 8 watts. Disk-on-a-chip records 1/2
hour of video and loops like an 8-track tape of yesteryear. No moving
parts means no problems with vibration, heat, wear, etc.
If I had pockets full of money, I'd try to market the thing. If
anyone wants more info, feel free to email me for the details. And
no, I won't build one for you. I haven't the time.
- Sandy
Steve Wolf
if there
Umm ... no ... try again. Check with the FOP. Maybe they can help you.
No Spam
| dishonestly, BTW - over allegations of official abuse be people he has
| obvious contempt for.
Will,
Some friends of mine (black) worked undercover (DEA). Seems a few years
back they were driving to Houston (with their wives and kids in the family
cars) on I45 and were stopped the locals in-between Dallas and Houston.
Found to have all sort *stuff* and were arrested for resisting (wives were
also roughed up) kids scared s*it less.
Long story short turns out the locals pigs (not cops different folks
altogether) and the local DA were in cahoots and were setting up folk to
confiscate cars, cash, etc.
Made the news in both Dallas and Houston. (Left out the part where the
accused were DEA) End result nothing done to anyone.
It does happen and more often than not.
Neon John
<steph...@att.net> wrote:
>"Pigs"? Wow, groovy man! I'm gonna have a love-in to protest all the bad
>things The Man does - like running into a burning skyscraper and evacuating
>people until the building falls on them. The bastards!
Well if those cops had been stealing from citizens under color of
authority, then yes, they are pigs.
Obviously you have no concept of how corrupt some segments of law
enforcement are. With your attitude, it would personally do me good
to hear that you'd been shown the difference on the side of the road
in Knoxville or some place similar.
BTW, Dudley (what kind of dipshit name is that, anyway?), I have a
field deputy's badge in my wallet. Since you know nothing about
police, I'll educate before you ask, a field deputy is a sworn but
unpaid cop who volunteers his time. I've done that off and on since I
was a teenager. "off" when a particularly corrupt administration was
in office, "on" when a new sheriff cleaned things up again. We do
paperwork, ride right seat with paid deputies and otherwise generally
help out around the office. Most of us are professionals. One of the
most valuable things we do is moderate the behavior of the young turks
who are typically just out of the military (MPs) and view the world as
"us" and "perps".
As naive and ignorant as you appear be about this, Dudley, you just
don't have any idea of the ways corrupt pigs can get you. A whole
bunch of cops I know carry throw down weapons of some sort. I know of
some who carry contraband to plant on "perps" they don't like. I know
of a couple who sell pornographic materials from their vehicles. From
what I gather, this is typical.
And no, before you ask, I have absolutely no intention of bedimming a
snitch. It's way too big for one individual and I don't want to get
harnessed out of town.
So in summary, Dudley, when I use the term Pig, I use it with great
precision.
Neon John
<sand...@erols.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 07:09:48 -0500, Neon John
><johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
><good story snipped for brevity>
>
>>Nowadays I run the logging program ALL
>>the time and am seriously thinking about putting a police-style in-car
>>camera system in my rig so as to help protect myself against these
>>thieves. First time I find a used system for sale cheap I probably
>>will.
>
>John: I installed my own video system after being a victim of road
>rage here in NJ. The way the law works here is that the largest
>vehicle is ALWAYS guilty. Just because a Peterbilt toting 96,000 lbs
>can't stop on a dime like a Honda Civic is no excuse.
>
>I'm lucky not to have been involved in an incident since, but the
>video has helped prove two cases involving other drivers when I had
>been a bystander.
>
>PC cameras are dirt cheap, free with a rebate. Diskless PCs are
>available very cheap (~$200) and are the size of a cable converter
>box. Power usage for mine is 8 watts. Disk-on-a-chip records 1/2
>hour of video and loops like an 8-track tape of yesteryear. No moving
>parts means no problems with vibration, heat, wear, etc.
I had already thought of this and discussed the concept with my
lawyer. The problem is proving the chain of custody of your recording
as evidence and validating same. While your system would be useful
for dealing with minor infractions and would probably be a terrific
deterrent if the pig knows it's there, if you are ever REALLY screwed,
say with felony drug possession from a plant, your recording might not
even make it to court. You simply can't prove that you or someone
else hasn't tampered with it.
The police systems are designed to preserve the chain of custody in a
court-approved manner. The recorder is locked and optionally sealed
in a tamper-resistant box. The cop can typically start and stop the
recording and maybe mute the microphone. But assuming department
policy precludes him having a key to his own strong box, he cannot
tamper or access the recorder or tape. In our department, if anything
more serious than traffic stops happens on a patrol, someone besides
the cop removes the tape and seals it in an evidence envelope and
checks it into the evidence locker, preserving the chain of evidence.
The next issue is the doctrine of "presumed correct" and "presumed
truthful". The court presumes the police recorder is accurate and if
the chain of custody has remained intact, the recording is also
presumed correct. This is the same doctrine that makes it so
difficult to challenge radar. It is presumed to be accurate. Video
tape is a medium the court is comfortable with and understands. Your
solid state recording is not. You'd face very steep obstacles in
getting it accepted as evidence.
My lawyer advised me that if I installed such a system to a) use a
police system, b) lock AND tamper-seal the strong-box using lead seals
or equiv, c) leave the key at home and if I ever encounter
malfeasance, do all I can to preserve the integrity of the evidence.
He said that if my vehicle was impounded, the strongbox could only be
opened with a warrant. Compromising the tape under those
circumstances would require a widespread conspiracy much greater than
a couple of rogue cops on traffic patrol.
He advised me that if my vehicle was NOT impounded, to get to an
officer of the court (normally a lawyer) or other sworn agent (such as
a federal agent) as fast as possible and let him break the seal and
take custody of the tape. Having to drill the lock is much preferable
to having a key that would open the strong box. A lawyer, as an
officer of the court, is an extension thereof and can preserve the
chain of custody of the evidence tape. He said that if this happens
at night, to find a phone book and start calling until I find a
criminal law firm that maintains 24hr coverage. It's that important.
If a pig plants felony evidence on you, you'd going to need all the
horsepower you can muster and you're going to have to cross all the
tees and dot all the "i"s.
Before this happened to me I knew that cops planted evidence and stole
stuff. Heck, I've heard 'em swapping techniques. But I always
figured it happened to the longhairhippyfreaks, the type that just
look like they needed rousting. I didn't realize (but should have)
that the objective in many cases has changed from "getting" someone to
simple theft, personal enrichment.
Once the objective becomes common theft, it makes sense that they'd go
after ordinary people, for they're more likely to have things to steal
than would the freaks.
Will Sill
highway robbers in uniform, presumably to give credence to the
despicable whining by Neon John.
<100% snipped for your reading pleasure>
There are some bad cops. No rational person thinks otherwise. There
have been instances of police corruption in virtually every
jurisdiction - for generations. It's despicable when it happens and
no responsible citizen should overlook it. But to some extent it is
inevitable - people who want police jobs are more likelky than most to
enjoy having power over others.
What I object to is the absolutely visious characterization of police
as "pigs". To me, that is even more repulsive than calling a black
man "nigger", and reveals the most repugnant kind of attitude.
Sorry, but slimebags like Neon John are unworthy of serious
consideration.
Bob Giddings
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
snip
>BTW, Dudley (what kind of dipshit name is that, anyway?), I have a
>field deputy's badge in my wallet. Since you know nothing about
>police, I'll educate before you ask, a field deputy is a sworn but
>unpaid cop who volunteers his time. I've done that off and on since I
>was a teenager. "off" when a particularly corrupt administration was
>in office, "on" when a new sheriff cleaned things up again. We do
>paperwork, ride right seat with paid deputies and otherwise generally
>help out around the office. Most of us are professionals. One of the
>most valuable things we do is moderate the behavior of the young turks
>who are typically just out of the military (MPs) and view the world as
>"us" and "perps".
>
John, it is truly difficult to see you as a "moderating influence" on
anyone. I hope you are, but the overbearing, contemptuous personality
you exhibit here is precisely the sort most people do not want to meet
carrying a badge.
Up to that point, though, and at a distance, you are entertaining.
Almost entirely self-referential, and still walking around. Amazing.
Or should I say self-reverential.
Bob
Sandy A. Nicolaysen
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
John: Thanks for the info. Very interesting. I guess you need
bullet-proof evidence when dealing with corrupt police. This makes me
wonder if they would throw out your GPS log as unsecured evidence
prone to modification after the fact.
In my case as a bystander, i.e. unbiased third party, I had to swear
under oath that I had no business or personal ties to Ms Thompson
(Honda Civic) or J. B. Hunt and Mr Munoz (Peterbilt). Even though Ms
Thompson suffered permanent disabilities (frankly, damn lucky to be
alive) the court found her guilty of causing the accident. J. B.
Hunt's lawyers later admitted that, without the video evidence, they
probably would have lost the case. As far as the evidence was
concerned in that incident, I had handed my box over to the officer at
the scene of the accident at his request. That would not have helped
you in your situation as I'm sure they would 'lose' it somehow.
- Sandy
Paul Hutmacher
4ax.com:
> What I object to is the absolutely visious characterization of police
> as "pigs".
I'm offended by this statement as well. I am a firm believer in due
process and personal freedom and like anyone else am outraged when I hear
of police abuse. However the sweeping generalization and name calling is
offensize.
Paul Hutmacher
Will Sill
>[Neon] John, it is truly difficult to see you as a "moderating influence" on
>anyone. I hope you are, but the overbearing, contemptuous personality
>you exhibit here is precisely the sort most people do not want to meet
>carrying a badge.
>
>Up to that point, though, and at a distance, you are entertaining.
>Almost entirely self-referential, and still walking around. Amazing.
>Or should I say self-reverential.
You are far too kind. The man is the functional equivalent of an
anal orifice.
Will KD3XR
telestar
"Will Sill" <wi...@epix.net> wrote in message
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Steph and Dud B.
> Obviously you have no concept of how corrupt some segments of law
> enforcement are. With your attitude, it would personally do me good
> to hear that you'd been shown the difference on the side of the road
> in Knoxville or some place similar.
Gee, John. Thanks for the education. Although I wan't a cop, I worked on
the highways with Troop H of the CT State Police for a few years in my role
with an emergency roadside service ("Samaritan Van" for you east coasters -
we would patrol during rush hours and respond to accidents, breakdowns, and
fires). I had a police radio in my van - given to me by the troop - and my
SP callsign was 2609. I answered to the SP dispatcher. I worked with the
troopers every day and got to know them pretty well. My boss was a retired
trooper.
>
> BTW, Dudley (what kind of dipshit name is that, anyway?),
Dudley is my middle name, after my grandfather. Grandpa Dudley was a true
New Englander, jack of all trades. Owned his own farm, raised a large
family, and was an active resident of his little town well into his
seventies. I think it's a fine name. "Neon" is nice, too.
>I have a
> field deputy's badge in my wallet. Since you know nothing about
> police, I'll educate before you ask, a field deputy is a sworn but
> unpaid cop who volunteers his time. I've done that off and on since I
> was a teenager.
I know precisely what a "field deputy" is. Here they are called "auxies" or
auxilliary troopers. They are allowed to direct traffic, transport
evidence, etc. but leave most of the real work to the real troopers.
>One of the
> most valuable things we do is moderate the behavior of the young turks
> who are typically just out of the military (MPs) and view the world as
> "us" and "perps".
I know what the real cops think of you: Go get me a coffee "auxie."
I have a badge too, except it says FD instead of PD. I also recognize that
there is a world of difference between a volly firefighter (like myself) and
a paid firefighter - just like there is a difference between a "field
deputy" and the real thing.
You're too funny to plonk.
Steph and Dud B.
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Neon John
Must be a reading comprehension thing. I distinguish between cops and pigs.
I shouldn't have to spell out the difference. Unfortunately the ratio of pigs
to cops is getting mighty large anymore.
Some Famous Person made the comment that the problem with law enforcement is
that it attracts exactly the wrong kind of control freak person. In other
words, if you WANT to be a cop, you're probably going to be a bad cop.
It was bad before but it has gotten terrible with the militarization of the
police in the last decade or so. A lot of the cops, especially the young
ones, forget that they're not in the military and civilians are neither the
enemy nor someone to control according to whim.
BTW, one of my competition (I own a BBQ restaurant in case you didn't know) is
a place called "Two Pigs BBQ". Owned by, you guessed it, two cops.
Neon John
>I had a former Sheriff tell me that the worst crooks made the best cops.
>
Funny you'd say that. I have a very good friend who is the Chief of Police in
a neighboring town. He says pretty much the same thing. One very interesting
thing about his department. He has the county dispatch frequency on their
radio console. He has a standing order that anytime a county car is
dispatched to anywhere in his city, a city car will also be dispatched. The
purpose of the city car is NOT to back up the county car but to make sure the
county cop doesn't abuse anyone involved. The county department is THAT bad.
Neon John
>John, it is truly difficult to see you as a "moderating influence" on
>anyone. I hope you are, but the overbearing, contemptuous personality
>you exhibit here is precisely the sort most people do not want to meet
>carrying a badge.
Well, Bob, watching YOU in this newsgroup, I see the old saying about it's
better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all
doubt.
>
>Up to that point, though, and at a distance, you are entertaining.
>Almost entirely self-referential, and still walking around. Amazing.
>Or should I say self-reverential.
Well hank you. From a person of your stature, that's a supreme compliment.
I'll have to return the compliment if I ever see you driving through here at
night.... **
John
** to everyone except Bob. I'm just bustin' his balls but don't tell him
that. I'd hate for him to think it safe to drive through here. He might come
and wreck the experience for a whole CG full of people.
Neon John
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>> Obviously you have no concept of how corrupt some segments of law
>> enforcement are. With your attitude, it would personally do me good
>> to hear that you'd been shown the difference on the side of the road
>> in Knoxville or some place similar.
>
>Gee, John. Thanks for the education.
You're welcome. You certainly need it.
>Although I wan't a cop, I worked on
>the highways with Troop H of the CT State Police for a few years in my role
>with an emergency roadside service ("Samaritan Van" for you east coasters -
>we would patrol during rush hours and respond to accidents, breakdowns, and
>fires). I had a police radio in my van - given to me by the troop - and my
>SP callsign was 2609. I answered to the SP dispatcher. I worked with the
>troopers every day and got to know them pretty well. My boss was a retired
>trooper.
And being a broom handler has to do with what in this conversation? You're
not really trying to convince anyone that the pigs would set up a roust over
the radio, are you?
BTW, there's little debate around these parts that troopers are a BIG cut
above the city and county cops. But since we weren't talking about state
troopers, nothing you've said to date has any relevance.
>>I have a
>> field deputy's badge in my wallet. Since you know nothing about
>> police, I'll educate before you ask, a field deputy is a sworn but
>> unpaid cop who volunteers his time. I've done that off and on since I
>> was a teenager.
>
>I know precisely what a "field deputy" is. Here they are called "auxies" or
>auxilliary troopers. They are allowed to direct traffic, transport
>evidence, etc. but leave most of the real work to the real troopers.
Just shows what you don't know. The Auxiliary is with the city department and
they are pretty much what you describe. Field deputies are deputized, sworn,
bonded and insured just like the salaried ones. I have full arrest powers
when I'm on duty and I carry a gun. The only thing I can't do is drive the
patrol car and that's only because I have not gone to driving school to be
certified. The sheriff in this state can point at anyone, tell him to raise
his right hand and after he takes the oath, he is a deputy. It used to be
just about that loose but in recent years it has been tightened up with the
field deputy program.
>I have a badge too, except it says FD instead of PD. I also recognize that
>there is a world of difference between a volly firefighter (like myself) and
>a paid firefighter - just like there is a difference between a "field
>deputy" and the real thing.
Well come on over and I'll put you to work fetching coffee. I'm also the
county Radiological Response Chief with our county Emergency Management
Agency. We respond to anything that might involve radioactive materials.
Sounds like you live in a real backwoods. Here, the county FD is volunteer.
It is better equipped than the paid city department and the men are as well
trained because they train side-by-side with the city in the metro training
command. We maintain a minimal crew at the stations 24 hrs a day just like
the city does. Our ISO rating for the 5 mile fringe area (essentially all the
county) is only 2 points less than the city and that's only because VFDs
automatically take a 1 point hit and because E911 hasn't been implemented
county-wide yet.
I can't express the respect I have for these guys. They're all working what
amounts to a second full time job but with no pay.
And to think they claim the South is backwards. What kind of podunk backwater
do you live in, anyway?
>
>You're too funny to plonk.
What? And cut off your continuing education? Not a chance.
Neon John
wrote:
>John: Thanks for the info. Very interesting. I guess you need
>bullet-proof evidence when dealing with corrupt police. This makes me
>wonder if they would throw out your GPS log as unsecured evidence
>prone to modification after the fact.
The burden of proof would be very high for me. In my case, the GPS data was
used in a different way. My attorney simply took a printout and went to the
ADA and said "Look what we're going to hit you with if you prosecute this
case". ADA took a look and dropped the case. That was quite critical, for
without a valid reason to stop me, they had no probable cause for any of the
rest. The GPS data is also quite valuable for the civil case where the rules
of evidence are quite a bit more relaxed.
My attorney was the top-rated criminal defense attorney in Knox. He's
probably seen it all and probably was being overly conservative with his
advice. Nonetheless I'm taking it to heart. I see the police video systems
at hamfests fairly often in the $2-300 range. Rather than take a chance, I'm
going to do it his way :-)
>
>In my case as a bystander, i.e. unbiased third party, I had to swear
>under oath that I had no business or personal ties to Ms Thompson
>(Honda Civic) or J. B. Hunt and Mr Munoz (Peterbilt). Even though Ms
>Thompson suffered permanent disabilities (frankly, damn lucky to be
>alive) the court found her guilty of causing the accident. J. B.
>Hunt's lawyers later admitted that, without the video evidence, they
>probably would have lost the case. As far as the evidence was
>concerned in that incident, I had handed my box over to the officer at
>the scene of the accident at his request. That would not have helped
>you in your situation as I'm sure they would 'lose' it somehow.
yep. My pistol was "lost" for several days until my attorney started making
noises about calling a friend at BATF to see if the feds would be interested
in investigating the theft of a firearm. Then it suddenly turned up, complete
with the proper paperwork. That says something in and of itself. I have the
evidence envelope framed, just to remind me not to get complacent.
John
>
>- Sandy
Steph and Dud B.
>
> And being a broom handler has to do with what in this conversation?
Not much. I was questioning YOUR qualifications to teach me anything about
cops. You're the one who offered to teach me something, remember - "Since
you know nothing about police, I'll educate before you ask". My intent was
to clarify the extent of my experiences on the matter.
Yes, I'm qualified to use a broom and have done so many times. I'm also
certified EMT, Firefighter 1, and HazMat Operational. Plus mechanical
training. Obviously you have never encountered a Samaritan Van in your
world, but they have capabilities that would surprise you. I was first
responder to all incidents (except traffic stops) on my patrol route. That
included breakdowns, accidents, fires, medical emergencies, even hazardous
road debris. I often arrived before the troop. It was an extremely
interesting job. All of which meant I spent a lot of time working with the
troopers. Before that I was an EMT-I with a commercial suburban ambulance
service where the local cops were the first responders. So, I've worked
quite a bit alongside both local and state cops.
You run a restaurant and are a volunteer deputy, right?
Although I've seen a couple of cops do things I didn't approve of, and I
know there are bad cops out there, I still hold the position in respect and
take offense at your use of the pejorative "pigs," which is what got me into
this thread in the first place.
> Just shows what you don't know. The Auxiliary is with the city department
Maybe there. Not here. The CT State Police have Auxiliaries that meet your
description of field deputies - exactly - except they have their own
cruisers. They are the CT equivalent of your "field deputies." They are
there to support the regular troopers. Any auxie who routinely acted as if
his purpose was to be a "moderating influence" on the regular troopers would
likely have a long wait for backup should he ever need it. No trooper or
cop I know, regular or auxie, would ever be so unprofessional as to refer to
other law officers as "pigs" in a public forum. If they did, their
supervisor would be very unhappy indeed!
BTW, you keep referring to yourself as a "field deputy." According to your
sig line you live in Bradley County, TN. I see no reference on their
website to Field Deputies. There are Reserve Deputies and a Community
Service Unit. Which are you?
>The sheriff in this state can point at anyone, tell him to raise
> his right hand and after he takes the oath, he is a deputy.
That explains a lot.
> Sounds like you live in a real backwoods. What kind of podunk backwater
> do you live in, anyway?
Do you always resort to name calling when you feel threatened? Not a good
personality trait for law enforcement IMHO. Yep, I live in a rural town
now. Earlier I lived and worked in a large suburb. I have nothing against
vollies (obviously) but I am smart enough to recognize that volunteers
generally don't have the depth of experience that a paid firefighter or cop
will get.
> What? And cut off your continuing education? Not a chance.
I enjoy continuing ed. I just prefer to get it from somebody with
appropriate qualifications and better soft skills. If you actually are a
sworn deputy your comments on this NG are a disgrace to the badge.
Back to RVs now, something you probably CAN teach me something about. Safe
travels,
吵o吩oo
The sheriff in this state can point at anyone, tell him to raise
> his right hand and after he takes the oath, he is a deputy.
Sheriff Andy Taylor in Mayberry "deputized" Gomer, Goober, and Floyd
like that. <lol>
snoshoo
Marc Alan
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Can an amputee missing his right arm be deputized? :)
Ron King
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> The sheriff in this state can point at anyone, tell him to raise
> > his right hand and after he takes the oath, he is a deputy.
In most localities, unlike other law enforcement agencies, Sheriffs
have a great latitude in whom they hire for deputies, as long as they
meet state guidelines.
So it works like this. Applicants are given a very tough written
examination. Those who pass that are then invited back for a rather
tough physical agility test series. Those who pass that are then
individually interviewed by the Sheriff, and possibly a county
administrative board, or a commissioner.
The sheriff then places all of those results in a file as proof of due
diligence and hires his half-witted son-in-law, the relative of
someone he owes a political or financial favor, or if in the South,
his nephew with the extra fingers.
Ron