Open Up Standalone repository for public checkouts?

[Douglas Calvert]

Hello,
Would it be possible to open up the zotero-standalone repository for
public checkouts? svn prompts me for a password when I try to check it
out. The funny thing is that the source is publicly visible via trac
but i cant do a checkout? Thanks...

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[Dan Stillman]

On 4/20/10 3:11 PM, Douglas Calvert wrote:
> Would it be possible to open up the zotero-standalone repository for
> public checkouts? svn prompts me for a password when I try to check it
> out. The funny thing is that the source is publicly visible via trac
> but i cant do a checkout? Thanks...
>

Try now.

https://www.zotero.org/svn/standalone/

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Dan Stillman <dsti...@zotero.org> wrote:
> On 4/20/10 3:11 PM, Douglas Calvert wrote:
>>
>> Would it be possible to open up the zotero-standalone repository for
>> public checkouts? svn prompts me for a password when I try to check it
>> out. The funny thing is that the source is publicly visible via trac
>> but i cant do a checkout? Thanks...
>>
>
> Try now.
>
> https://www.zotero.org/svn/standalone/

And exactly what IS this? I see a blog post, but it's pretty vague.

Bruce

[Dan Stillman]

On 4/20/10 4:23 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> And exactly what IS this? I see a blog post, but it's pretty vague.

It's the infrastructure to allow Zotero to run as a standalone app in
XULRunner, which is just the underlying Mozilla framework without the
full browser interface. Code to make it work with other browsers isn't
yet available, but that's where it's headed.

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Dan Stillman <dsti...@zotero.org> wrote:
> On 4/20/10 4:23 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>
>> And exactly what IS this? I see a blog post, but it's pretty vague.
>
> It's the infrastructure to allow Zotero to run as a standalone app in
> XULRunner, which is just the underlying Mozilla framework without the full
> browser interface. Code to make it work with other browsers isn't yet
> available, but that's where it's headed.

So in some ways the "other browser" connection is not essential to the
standalone XULRunner app; right?

And what about the bookmarklet idea? Is that in fact how the
connection will be made? And if yes, will it be possible to have the
bookmarklet send the URIs to the server instead?

Bruce

[Dan Stillman]

On 4/20/10 4:40 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Dan Stillman<dsti...@zotero.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/10 4:23 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>
>>> And exactly what IS this? I see a blog post, but it's pretty vague.
>>>
>> It's the infrastructure to allow Zotero to run as a standalone app in
>> XULRunner, which is just the underlying Mozilla framework without the full
>> browser interface. Code to make it work with other browsers isn't yet
>> available, but that's where it's headed.
>>
> So in some ways the "other browser" connection is not essential to the
> standalone XULRunner app; right?
>

That's correct—there's no reason other browsers shouldn't be able to
work with the regular Firefox Zotero as well—but most of the people
clamoring for support for other browsers are doing so because they'd
prefer to stop using Firefox, which this will enable, along with a nicer
interface. Yes, Firefox Zotero in full-screen mode is fairly similar,
but that hasn't stopped people from asking for a standalone version. And
this will focus development on the cross-browser features, since
otherwise various things will be broken in the standalone version.

> And what about the bookmarklet idea? Is that in fact how the
> connection will be made? And if yes, will it be possible to have the
> bookmarklet send the URIs to the server instead?

Bookmarklets would only work for a subset of the currently supported
sites, so no, that won't be the default method. There's no reason a
bookmarklet can't happen as well for the greatest possible
compatibility, but there's no way to offer the full functionality people
are used to via a bookmarklet.

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Dan Stillman <dsti...@zotero.org> wrote:

...

>> And what about the bookmarklet idea? Is that in fact how the
>> connection will be made? And if yes, will it be possible to have the
>> bookmarklet send the URIs to the server instead?
>
> Bookmarklets would only work for a subset of the currently supported sites,
> so no, that won't be the default method. There's no reason a bookmarklet
> can't happen as well for the greatest possible compatibility, but there's no
> way to offer the full functionality people are used to via a bookmarklet.

I'm just thinking about a lightweight way to add items to one's
account via alternative browsers and platforms. So this is sort of
related to other issues.

For example, I use an Android device a lot for keeping up to date on
news, new academic articles, and such, where I can star articles, that
in turn can get exported via a Google Reader Atom feed. It would be
nice if I could point my Zotero account at such a feed, or one for say
Delicious, and have it take the source URIs, and grab the associated
metadata for me and add them to my library.

Might that in theory be an easy way to get support for virtually any
smartphone? I know it's not "full functionality", but it can be damned
useful.

Bruce

[Dan Stillman]

On 4/20/10 5:09 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>> And what about the bookmarklet idea? Is that in fact how the
>>> connection will be made? And if yes, will it be possible to have the
>>> bookmarklet send the URIs to the server instead?
>>>
>> Bookmarklets would only work for a subset of the currently supported sites,
>> so no, that won't be the default method. There's no reason a bookmarklet
>> can't happen as well for the greatest possible compatibility, but there's no
>> way to offer the full functionality people are used to via a bookmarklet.
>>
> I'm just thinking about a lightweight way to add items to one's
> account via alternative browsers and platforms. So this is sort of
> related to other issues.
>
> For example, I use an Android device a lot for keeping up to date on
> news, new academic articles, and such, where I can star articles, that
> in turn can get exported via a Google Reader Atom feed. It would be
> nice if I could point my Zotero account at such a feed, or one for say
> Delicious, and have it take the source URIs, and grab the associated
> metadata for me and add them to my library.
>
> Might that in theory be an easy way to get support for virtually any
> smartphone? I know it's not "full functionality", but it can be damned
> useful.
>

Yes, certainly. But I mean full saving functionality, not full Zotero
functionality. A bookmarklet likely wouldn't support saving via proxy
servers or some session-based sites. It would work perfectly fine for
public sites with static URLs, though.