Android options
Henry Boleszny
Simon Haynes
You'll need an RTF editor. Just export your novel (one chapter, or selected chapters) for 'proofing', copy the RTF to the tablet, make your changes without messing up the special tags & markers, then re-import to yWriter.
You can still make changes in yWriter while the export is floating around, but DO NOT make changes to any scenes included in the export. Even if you don't change anything, when you re-import all scene content in the export file will replace the matching scene content in yWriter.
E.g. if you export chapters 10-25 and change scenes (in yWriter) in chapters 1-9, you're fine. When you re-import chapters 10-25 the first 9 chapters won't be touched.
Bear in mind that the re-import is by Scene ID, not chapter. If you move a scene from chapter 10 to chapter 2 and work on it in yWriter, when you import chapters 10-25 that scene will STILL be overwritten, since the ID (and associated scene content) is in the export file. yWriter doesn't care which chapter contains the scene when re-importing, since it only looks at the scene ID.
Regards
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Dick Keaton
Since purchasing my ASUS Transformer Prime I've scavenged around in
this quagmire myself. It would be so nice if it were possible to
easily synchronize or exchange data between yWriter5 on my PC and some
compatible program or 'App' on the ASUS android device. Unfortunately,
if such a mechanism is available, I haven't stumbled across it yet.
The best solutions I've been able to come up with so far are jerry-
rigged at best. One way is to use the android Dropbox app on your
android device and Dropbox on your PC. Of course, we already know
Simon's position with respect to Dropbox. There is also an ASUS
provided web-storage/synching solution called ASUS WebStorage which
works essentially just like Dropbox. When you register you get 2 to
8GB of free space depending on what kind of device you are using. Both
of these solutions still requires a decent 'RTF' editor on the android
device - and that is not easily found. The best one I've found so far
is OfficeSuite Pro which costs $9.99. There is one other solution
which may or may not work for you. You can remotely control your
Windows PC with an app on your android device and actually run
yWriter5 from the android device. There are a couple of apps that do
this and the one I've used that seems to work the best is called
Splashtop Remote Desktop. I think it costs about $6.99. It actually
works very well. The only issue is that your PC has to be up and
running, and the screen images rendered on the android device are
pretty small. Splashtop uses Google as the internet bridge between
devices, so you have to be logged into Google to make it work. If both
devices are on the same local network, the Google connection isn't
required.
Anyway, that's been my experience trying to do what you are trying to
do. Hope this info is useful to you. If you come up with a better
solution, I'd be very interested in hearing from you.
Thanks and good luck.
Dick Keaton
On Mar 3, 9:06 pm, Henry Boleszny <ozh...@live.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Simon,
> Thanks for the tips.
> Henry
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> > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:16:02 +0800
> > Subject: Re: [yWriter] Android options
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> > You'll need an RTF editor. Just export your novel (one chapter, or selected chapters) for 'proofing', copy the RTF to the tablet, make your changes without messing up the special tags & markers, then re-import to yWriter.
>
> > You can still make changes in yWriter while the export is floating around, but DO NOT make changes to any scenes included in the export. Even if you don't change anything, when you re-import all scene content in the export file will replace the matching scene content in yWriter.
>
> > E.g. if you export chapters 10-25 and change scenes (in yWriter) in chapters 1-9, you're fine. When you re-import chapters 10-25 the first 9 chapters won't be touched.
>
> > Bear in mind that the re-import is by Scene ID, not chapter. If you move a scene from chapter 10 to chapter 2 and work on it in yWriter, when you import chapters 10-25 that scene will STILL be overwritten, since the ID (and associated scene content) is in the export file. yWriter doesn't care which chapter contains the scene when re-importing, since it only looks at the scene ID.
>
> > Regards
> > Simon Haynes
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> > Henry Boleszny wrote:
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> > > Hi Simon (and fellow yWriter users)
> > > I am waiting for my Android-powered tablet to arrive. I'd like to be able to edit my book when I'm away from my PC.
> > > What options are available?
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Andrew Pain
Not sure if it's an option for everyone. I have Documents to Go, which allows me to open any rtf file on my SD card. I have the project saved to the SD card( yWriter is installed there too) and just open the file I want to work on in Doc to Go.
The file names are...odd...but I can deal with that.
Michelle Norton
computer to google docs then access and edit them from your tablet or
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Dick Keaton
elegant, but at least mine was longer, convoluted, and more expensive.
Ha!
Seriously now, I've used Google docs for this, but I had a problem
creating 'rtf' files within Google docs (on the Android device). I
guess that could be resolved by using a different 'rtf' editor and
sharing to Google docs. Anyway, thanks for simplifying things. Writing
is difficult enough without adding to the technical confusion
involved.
But, was the introductory article 'Um' really necessary? We all know
that loosely translates to, 'Hey Dummy.'
I'm just kidding. Thanks again. We're all in this together, and we can
all use all the help we can get.
Keep writing,
Dick Keaton
Trevor Prinn
rtf file at all.
On 04/03/2012 04:48, Andrew Pain wrote:
> Not sure if it's an option for everyone. I have Documents to Go, which
> allows me to open any rtf file on my SD card. I have the project saved
> to the SD card( yWriter is installed there too) and just open the file
> I want to work on in Doc to Go.
>
> The file names are...odd...but I can deal with that.
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handles all the synchronisation both ways between the devices, and can
change document formats on the fly (because I still haven't found a way
of editing and saving rtfs on the Transformer). It creates folders with
chapter names, and documents with scene names on the device (both
numbered to display in order). I use Dropbox as the device as far as
ywSynch is concerned, and it all works fine for me.
http://www.babbacom.com/ywSynch/
Michelle Norton
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend...I was just wondering why no one had said it.
Andrew Pain
Um... I don't know. Don't remember ever having a problem with it, but I've done it for years and don't remember if I had to so something special.
Trevor Prinn
versions of Documents to Go did support rtf, but recent ones don't.
According to the DataViz site the current iPhone version supports
viewing rtf files, but not editing them, and the Android version doesn't
support them at all, except as Google Docs.
On 04/03/2012 15:49, Andrew Pain wrote:
> Um... I don't know. Don't remember ever having a problem with it, but
> I've done it for years and don't remember if I had to so something special.
>
> On Mar 4, 2012 4:08 AM, "Trevor Prinn" <tr...@tprinn.co.uk
> <mailto:tr...@tprinn.co.uk>> wrote:
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> How do you do that? I've never been able to get Docs to Go to open an
> rtf file at all.
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> On 04/03/2012 04:48, Andrew Pain wrote:
> > Not sure if it's an option for everyone. I have Documents to Go, which
> > allows me to open any rtf file on my SD card. I have the project saved
> > to the SD card( yWriter is installed there too) and just open the
> file
> > I want to work on in Doc to Go.
> >
> > The file names are...odd...but I can deal with that.
> >
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franontheedge
I found your assumption quite amusing...
I would just like to correct your assumption that what you think is
what 'everyone knows'. You say you think that everyone knows that
"Um" means the originator thinks you're 'dumb'.
I use 'um' all the time - and when I do, it means "I'm thinking". In
normal speech (in my experience) it almost always means that, so my
expectation is that when written down it means the same.
However (this is a small joke) in future, if it appears in something
_you_ have written, we will probably be safe in thinking that you
actually mean "you're dumb" - is that right?
Lol!
(sorry, couldn't resist, but probably should have... Um... nope, I
have to do it. Um, er, or ah, I just must.) (image of person sitting
giggling to themselves)
So it could be that Michelle Norton thinks like you... or she could
think like me. (If the spelling of Michelle is not a female name -
then I appologise for that assumption).
To revert to the discussion in hand, aren't Google Docs online only?
To me that is somewhat of a barrier. Please correct me if _this_
assumption is wrong.
If they are online _and_ saveable offline as well, then hooray for
that. (It does seem illogical to me if they are not saveable offline.)
I will now sit and prepare to be humbled in my turn.
Fran
franontheedge
When I first started writing on PC's I used "Rough Draft" which
does .rtf files, is that of any use to anyone?
Henry Boleszny
Worse, it's no longer supported, with no devrlopment or update in the last two years.
Nice idea, though.
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You can use google doc offline on the android phone version...that's what I do most the time...not sure on other platforms.
Dain Unicorn
1) Save project yWriter
2) Make backup of project
3) Move backup to secure location -- I use Dropbox for this step... But it's only the archive not my base project.
4) Export the Chapter(s) I'm currently working on using the Chapter Export function
5) Rename the output to something Useful
6) import thru iTunes to my iPad or iPhone (but never both at once)
7) open in Pages: edit, adjust, tweet, etc al.
8) save to .DOC format, push to iTunes.
9) recover saved file from iTunes
10) open in OpenOffice transcode to rtf
11) open yWriter, Import Chapter(s) and check to make sure nothing got munched
IF ($munched) {
panic();
} ELSE {
12) make paranoid save&backup
}
As you can see the process is a little lengthy, but I don't do it everyday. I typically cycle through about once or twiece a month as I find I'm using my iPad far more than I do my aging Dell laptop.
I'm sure there is an easier way to do this through GoogleDocs or something on the Android platform, but this is what works for me.
At one time I pulled the numbered RTF files and loaded them in Notebooks but I found that was too little 'meat per bite' when it came to grabbing scenes one at a time, for all the work and risk of screwing something up.
Simon goes to great lengths on how DropBox is not a viable solution, I had luck with it, but I don't use it the way it has caused problems in the past.
If you find a way that works please share your findings.
Dain
Joe Jansen
Trevor Prinn
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As far as I know, ywSynch should work fine with iOS devices. If you
synch to a dropbox it should be possible to open the doc files it
produces directly on an iPad as easily as on Android. Once set up, it
would save an awful lot of faffing about. It would also let you access
it on your phone as well without doing anything extra. I often do bits
of proofreading on my phone after editing on my netbook or PC.
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Dick Keaton
informative discussion on this topic. I'd like to extend a personal
thanks to Michelle and Franontheedge for indulging me and tolerating
my attempts (not always successful) at humor, and special thanks to
Trevor for providing ywSynch. It seems to me that when all is said and
done, there are a few tenable mechanisms for syncing the data
involved. ywSynch, in conjunction with Dropbox, or something
functionally equivalent, provides a nice, clean way to track and
control what's in what state, where. But even this introduces the
associated risk that Simon has urged us all to avoid. I don't know if
there's any solution that will ever completely mitigate that risk.
And, even with that solution in place, the biggest problem (at least
in my opinion) continues to be the availability of a suitable 'rtf'
editor on the android device that can properly manipulate (create,
edit, delete, etc.) the files in question (without going through a
complex process for data conversion back and forth).
I guess the only 'really practical' solution is for Simon to slap
together an android version of yWriter.
Gee, I'm sure he could knock that out in a couple of weeks.
Take care, everyone. Keep writing and always stay true to yourself.
Dick Keaton
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Somewhat late (like fast approaching 2 years) for a reply, but I have just
realised the significance of Dick's mention of Splashtop.
This is because I have not had a tablet for most of that time. I
'independently discovered' the program/app and checked yWriter to see if it
had been mentioned.
I am at the stage of being amazed by being able to run yWriter on my PC and
do that remotely on my tablet. It works fine on my local network -
especially after installing a keyboard with arrow keys for precise text
editing control. I am just researching its use remotely on other
networks/3G before committing to this.
The only problem I have is that I mainly use the tablet to review and
annotate drafts when on the move (faster than an e-reader) and I don’t want
to have to swap screens to see the annotation, then edit the change in
yWriter. Obviously at home, I just open the tablet next to the PC. Buying
an extra tablet is just plain silly, and I don’t want to revert to carrying
a laptop for the reasons I bought a tablet in the first place!
Isn't technology fun.
And thanks to Dick for mentioning it so long ago.
Regards
David
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Subject: [yWriter] Re: Android options
Michael Sharpe
There are other options for viewing a Pc on a tablet.
You can use a VNC server for your PC, such as TightVNC which you can use most VNC client programs on Linux Windows and Mac and Several phone and Tablet apps to connect to your PC. The Good news is that an tried and tested setup as I've seen VNC on Pcs for years. It's low bandwidth and doesn't tax Processor on both sides. There is a slight delay, it's more clearer with image heavy screens compared to text heavy screens. Apparently sound isn't sent to the client. There is a tricky log in method as you need to know your PCs IP, which is not good for newcomers, or tech illiterate. In short, using yWriter via VNC is actually bad, but not as friendly as their "competitors." (IPs are a series of Numbers that computers use to find each other. They look like this: 127.0.0.1 )
I've heard things about TeamViewer, but not tested it yet. I heard that you can use Linux computers, as well as most Tablets.
I had a quick test of Splashtop. It's slightly more bandwidth heavy, as it doesn't have that much delay clicking to the you point you see it happening. It can send Audio to the client. Setting the correct Options can Black out the screen on the PC, Prevent Audio being heard on the local Pc. One Issue is that you may need to buy something before you can use it in outside the home network. I found that this app actually switch between my two Physical screens, unlike VNC which sent the both screens together.
I was looking at these programs from another perspective.
Mike
Ivory
Todd Carnes
> I have given up on finding an acceptable android mechanism. I got one
> of those new bay trail tablets. The screen is small (8 inches) but it
> runs ywriter. I was lucky and found one for $200. I heard a sale
> might have had them at $99 when they were new. I plan to get a full
> size blue tooth keyboard and mouse, then sync it up and run real
> ywriter and word. Much less aggravation.
carry around a tablet AND a keyboard AND a mouse anyway. :)
I, personally, wouldn't want to use yWriter on a tablet anyway. A laptop
is much more convenient.
Todd
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Good news is, I finally got myself an Android phone. I also installed the developer kit today and started messing around.
For some time now I've known that the next version of yWriter (yWriter6) is going to have to ditch RTF in favour of plain text, but with some mechanism to indicate bold, italics and underline. Most likely bbcode of some kind - e.g. [i]italics[/i].
Having plain text would make it much easier to edit scene files on Android or i-things.
This is a long, long way off yet. Just wanted to let people know.
Cheers
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Peter Barns wrote:
> I've been using Anthony's yWriter beta app for the last couple of months
> and although all the functions are not there yet, what is works just great
> so far. It allows me to write on the move using a small bluetooth keyboard
> built in to the tablet cover. I'm beginning to find it invaluable.
>
>
> On 8 January 2014 13:49, Todd Carnes <toddc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 1/8/2014 8:11 AM, Ivory wrote:
> >
> >> I have given up on finding an acceptable android mechanism. I got one of
> >> those new bay trail tablets. The screen is small (8 inches) but it runs
> >> ywriter. I was lucky and found one for $200. I heard a sale might have
> >> had them at $99 when they were new. I plan to get a full size blue tooth
> >> keyboard and mouse, then sync it up and run real ywriter and word. Much
> >> less aggravation.
> >>
> >
> > Then you might as well just use your laptop, since you're willing to carry
> > around a tablet AND a keyboard AND a mouse anyway. :)
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> > I, personally, wouldn't want to use yWriter on a tablet anyway. A laptop
> > is much more convenient.
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> For some time now I've known that the next version of yWriter (yWriter6) is going to have to ditch RTF in favour of plain text, but with some mechanism to indicate bold, italics and underline. Most likely bbcode of some kind - e.g. [i]italics[/i].
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DarthNewton
understand. If you do decide to go with a new format, I am hoping you
have a option to use RTF or not. However I have a hunch that would be
too much in the way of option coding. :/
I have a android tablet and it can read RTF just fine. Granted not all
programs/apps can, but the ones I have for word processing do without
any issues. Not that I do much word processing on it, I find typing a
screen for anything more than a few notes or such quite annoying. But I
do have a few apps as a "just in case" option.
slery
my android.
Cindy
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Matthew Rasnake
I know I've hyped up Markdown on this list in the past, and I guess now seems like a good time to throw it back out there. Markdown has matured, and is *very* widely supported, being built in to tons of commercial, free, and open source software.
It is worth considering, especially if your current leading contender is bbcode.