> Yep. I have the same. Looks like BareBones is a little dead. Even the
> latest news is more than 6 month ago.
> I'm looking for a simular tool (passwords, serialno, notes, PDF) on
> mac and even for the web.
> Anybody a sugestion? ;)
We don't ship new Yojimbo releases daily, and won't share our product
roadmaps and calendars with the public. So what? The last time I
needed Yojimbo (about an hour ago) it seemed to work just fine.
We have more than one product, fewer than infinite engineering
resources, and speaking for myself only, less and less patience for
trolls.
Let's use this list to discuss Yojimbo, not to have another flame war.
Steve
>
> Yep. I have the same. Looks like BareBones is a little dead. Even the
> latest news is more than 6 month ago.
> I'm looking for a simular tool (passwords, serialno, notes, PDF) on
> mac and even for the web.
> Anybody a sugestion? ;)
I have a suggestion. Making statements like the above is not in the
best interest of this list and it's members. Here's why. Over time,
Bare Bones will start taking this list less seriously, if people are
continually beating them up on it without any stated or specific or
legitimate reason. Things like making specific suggestions are "for
the win" as they say. Keeping the signal to noise ratio
appropriate will help everyone. Complaining for the sake of
complaining accomplishes nothing.
If you are unhappy with the frequency of updates, or BareBones
posting frequency, that seems like it is your issue unless you can
show me where Bare Bones set your expectations differently.
Robert Occhialini
I think this issue requires understanding on both sides and has to do
with the fact that like it, or not, agree with it, or not, the BB
approach is rare for small devs nowadays. I am perfectly happy with it
regarding BBEdit and Yojimbo because (occasional syncing problems
(surely Apple bugs) aside), neither of them cause me problems and I've
been "around" since '91. I have to admit that it used to drive me
batty with Mailsmith though, because I was aching for missing features
and all the other clients were shit. (I've left it behind now. I miss
it. Life goes on.)
So, although I agree with Robert, I also understand with the
complainers (though the language is often OTT), not because I think
Yojimbo is weak, or lagging, but because the environment produces the
expectations they express and it takes a cool (old? experienced?) head
to "get" the BB approach, when it appears on the surface in this
instant everything world to be "out".
Both approaches can work well. Users just need to tailor their
expectations accordingly. BB shouldn't take the list less seriously
because of such complaints and I doubt they do.
Mark
>
> When I started this thread there was no ulterior motive or jibe
> intended - I was simply alerting Yojimbo fans to the existence of the
> Life Hacker poll and added my own observation of how data is moving
> into The Cloud. I'm a big fan of Yojimbo - but life is changing and
> perhaps it's someone elses turn to be the maker of the "favourite note
> taking app". Unless .......
>
That's exactly the point :-)
>
>
> On Jul 31, 1:37 pm, mwiik <maw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> When I saw evernote, I said hmmm. Opened Photo Booth. Took a photo of
>> a 3x5 card with notes. Flipped it since it's mirrored (then set Photo
>> Booth to auto-flip). Dragged the photo into Yojimbo. Tagged it 'card'
>> and something more specific. Now my 'hipster PDA' archive is in
>> Yojimbo.
>>
>> My biggest wish for Yojimbo is to enable QuickLook for pdf's
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Jul 30, 1:09 am, barstep <bars...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Life Hacker is running a list for best Note-Taking tools
>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/399484/best-note+taking-tools
>>
>>> So far Yojimbo has not been mentioned but Evernote is riding high.
>>
>>> I'm moving a lot of my notes into The Cloud so Yojimbo is
>>> beginning to
>>> be less useful to me - I never thought I'd be saying this but
>>> Evernote
>>> looks like the future for my needs now.
>>
>>> But YOU may still want to vote for Yojimbo on Life Hacker's list
>>
>>> Barrie
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Krzysztof M.
There is no place like ::1
i needed to clip a web page a few hours ago. yojimbo worked.
i dropped about 20 pdf's into yojimbo over the past 2 days. it worked
just fine then too..
his point is. it isn't broken. yojimbo works just fine. no glaring
bugs, it works exactly as intended, with the functions clearly stated
on the web pages and hell you can even try it out as a demo.
NO ONE has a right to claim "well i thought it would do XXX"
with all the whiners please go form their own list so they can bitch
to themselves, leave the rest of us to talk about how we LIKE yojimbo.
Seriously, the "shut up and quit whining" crowd is JUST as annoying
(more so in many ways) than the "it doesn't do X" crowd.
A couple of points as I see it:
1) People have a right to complain here.
2) Your delete key works, I suspect.
3) If it works perfectly for you, great. Don't complain, but don't
try to silence others.
Thanks,
dg
That was worth it all right there! I *actually* laughed out loud!
Thanks.
dg
>1) People have a right to complain here.
Not according to the list description. :-)
<http://groups.google.com/group/yojimbo-talk/about>
Folks, out of respect for those who are interested in discussing
Yojimbo's existing features and how to make the most of them,
please continue (or start) any arguments regarding policy or
list etiquette off-list.
Thank you,
R.
--
Rich Siegel Bare Bones Software, Inc.
<sie...@barebones.com> <http://www.barebones.com/>
Someday I'll look back on all this and laugh... until they
sedate me.
Bare Bones Software, Inc. was founded in May 1993, and incorporated in June 1994. We are a privately-held corporation based in Bedford, Massachusetts. Our mission is to produce best-of-class software for the Mac that incorporates state-of-the art engineering techniques and takes advantage of the latest system software technologies.
+1
And a private email exchange with a BB rep has only deepened that
feeling on my part. When a co-worker asked about an entirely
different piece of BareBones software the other day, I had to
recommend against it based solely on their "attitude and involvement
with their user community."
Contempt for customers is so 80's. Treating your customers like
petulant children is just unacceptable in ANY decade.
dg
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David G. Simmons
Staff Engineer, SunLabs
Voice: 650-568-4856 ** AIM/iChat: sant...@mac.com
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This list is about using Yojimbo and nothing else. Please get
back on topic or if that's impossible for you, leave.
Now if any of you feel an overwhelming desire to respond to this
email, don't, repeat, don't do it on the list. My address is
right on top, use it and my replies will come via another BBSW product.
John
--
You can get more with a simple prayer and a Thompson
sub-machinegun than you can with a simple prayer alone. -John Dillinger
>On Aug 5, 2:48 pm, "Scott J. Lopez" <scot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>it's one thing to request features. it's something else to whine
>>about lack of sub-folders, lack of iphone version, lack of web
>>version, etc. we've heard it all before.
>That's sad. If it's all been heard before and barebones doesn't
>react/ care... well... I do agree that complaining is useless.
Posts and response made by Barebones staff clearly indicate they
do care. But having said that, it clearly strains the patience
of anyone to hear complaints that are nothing more than
complaints with no real specifics that seem more like whining
than anything else.
>I just stopped using yojimbo. since barebones doesn't care to grow the
>feature set and keep up with the times, I'm moving on.
Barebones has made it abundantly clear they have a particular
vision in mind for software they create and they will simply not
add features that aren't in line with that vision. Simply adding
features due to "popular demand" leads to feature bloat and
software like Microsoft Word. This characteristic of not just
adding features is one of the characteristics that I for me
makes Barebones software much superior than other software.
But I can understand for some purposes, a lack of a certain
feature may mean you just can't accomplish what you want with
their software. In that instance, the only real choice is to use
other software and as you say "move on".
Because it's the same behavior seen in very young children when
their parental unit says No! They stamp their feet, scream at
the top of their lungs and generally make everyone around them
miserable until they are sent to their rooms.
IMHO, if someone is posting to this list and not using Yojimbo,
they don't belong here. If they are dumb enough to post that
info to the list they should probably be removed from it immediately.
For what it's worth -
I use Yojimbo and love it. It does everything BBSW said it would
and does it well.
I've never had a problem with any BBSW software that wasn't
promptly dealt with when I contacted Support.
I won't, however, continue to use this alias. Not because of the
'whiners', but because of the rampant, militant fanbois like J.
Stewart and others.
It's not a user support alias. It's a "Yojimbo leg hump" alias at
best. I've seen not one useful post to this alias for using Yojimbo.
I've seen a LOT of militant STFU from users calling anyone who doesn't
like something "petulant children", whiners, complainers, etc. And
I've seen a lot of arrogant posts from BBSW. Neither of which are
useful.
Software is hard. Listening to customers is hard. Doing both is very
hard.
So I'm outta here...Have a fun fanbois-leg-hump.
dg