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 More options May 10 2012, 2:51 am
From: fusi.mota...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 06:51:18 +0000
Local: Thurs, May 10 2012 2:51 am
Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement

Black people are addicted to white supremacy; they derive a sense of importance in being "called to a meeting" by the white groups; it is absolutely fluttering. They love discussion documents better than they do land acquisition for the majority. White people, on the other hand, love the land. They continue to acquire more of it and they keep black people from it. They are running the food security of this country; black people are running nothing. While black people tear each other apart debating ideology and who should succeed whom, the mines and minerals receive even stiffer protection in the hands of liberalised capitalist elite with the cunning face of the British. And what do the black people continue to do? Debate, debate and debate...about the things they do not own. As if to say 'we do not want them for our people; we want them for a few of us and the majority of us can just carry on debating.' It is so sad.

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I think if we can take the document titled Colonialism of a Special Type we would have a clear view and a better analysis towards this event. This document without going to much detail actually recognizes the need for inclusiveness of smaller groups especially the Afikaaner community and it is the responsibility of the ANC to meet with these groups and discuss any issue which they might have which would lead to nation building.

We also have to be receptive over the CODESA negotiations and the views of those who refute any talks of this nature. The fact is those negotiations did not fully express or up to a great extent the plight of those who have been disenfranchised for many years while it it the very same people who oppressed them. There are therefore lessons to be learned, according to a book by Vladimir Shubin titled ANC a View from Moscow, during the Wankie operation, Chris Hani raised certain views sharply against the ANC leadership. He questioned them of certain status they where acquiring for themselves and their family members and close associate from mainly the then government. He questioned the salaries and stipends, benefits they receive, cars they would get, how children of leaders would be sent to oversees universities to study while other MK and comrades where in exile. I suppose he was concern highly so with the causal relationship and meetings of ANC leaders with those who are perceived to be enemies then, and how the ANC leaders would benefit out of these relations. It is no wonder then that the current decent would surface when such events take place.

I think time and patience has a way of bringing clarity. We have to trust our decisions and that of our leaders based on the relevant theoretical material at hand that all efforts are for nation building and as a congress movement we hold the capacity to take any decision that would make the socioeconomic standards of the disenfranchised better at the Mangaung conference in particular.

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Sbu
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I really wish to differ with you cde Mthimkulu; you see the ANC has, for 18 years done what you think would not happen in that meeting; protecting the rights and privelages of those who benefited from aphartheid.

It is important to face up to empirical evidence before us, social transformation has not been held up entirely by those that we think have. Infact the biggest holders of social transformation are our very own elected representatives, whom have viewed public office as a vehicle to amass wealth for themselves and their families.

This meeting, in my view, was more of another Codesa of some sort. Where Black leaders assure Afrikaaners that despite all the fury surrounding land reform and nationalisation the ANC would not be making any drastic policy changes that would see them losing their wealth etc. It was more to entrench confidence to the Afrikaaners that no matter how much discussions take place at the Conference in Mangaung the ANC would continue to ensure that all rights of all citizens in society are protected.

Sadly Black South Africa will one day wake up to that realisation. The realisation that no matter how much we talk and discuss, material change in our societies will forever be mirrored in policy documents. Whilst it continues to secure 3/4 of its total votes from black people; part of its top priorities upon re-election is the appeasement of all the minority groups that differed to its election.

Yes we may choose to ignore what is before us now, or we may pretend that it's not happening, but reality is: It is our children and our childrens children that will continue to suffer from the injustices created by white people upon their settlement in this land. It does not take profound knowledge of history to see this.

I thank you all.

S.C. Makananda
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I sympathise with and understand the uneasiness expressed by cde Ngoako Matsha in an earlier posting.  I want to believe however that the SG, TG and the other leaders are not going to be hoodwinked into protecting privileges of those who benefited from apartheid.

There are those who are in denial about benefiting from apartheid and who want us to believe they got to their privileged position on merit. These are very people who block & frustrate all efforts and actions aimed at social transformation.

The ANC's historic mission to unite the people of South Africa must not be abused!
Mthimkulu Mashiya
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Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit - Statement

ANC

*ANC Media Release, 8 March 2012*

*ANC Afrikaans Dialogue Summit Statement*

A successful summit was held today for the whole day at the Protea
Balalaika Hotel in Sandton. It was a well-attended summit with positive
outcomes.

A senior NEC delegation of the African National Congress met today with
leaders from a wide ranging group of Afrikaans organisations, including
representatives of 19 organisations, academics, intellectuals, business,
religious, cultural and other community leaders. The ANC was led by its
Secretary General, Mr Gwede Mantashe, Treasurer General, Mathews Phosa,
other NEC members, Ministers, Renier Schoeman and Daryl Swanepoel.

The meeting was characterised by frank, open and direct discussion, and
took place in an honest and constructive atmosphere. All parties
expressed their appreciation for the platform and enthusiasm to be
involved in the envisaged process. The process will also be expanded to
include other organisations that were not present at today's summit.

The meeting identified a number of priority areas dear to the Afrikaans
speaking community which require discussion and debate leading to
consensus. This included, amongst others, the question of education and
training, land reform, economic empowerment, as well as language,
linguistic & cultural rights.

The Afrikaans Dialogue, organised under the auspices of the ANC
programme for an inclusive South Africa, was called in order to take the
discussion of nation-building, reconciliation and inclusiveness forward,
which took place at the request of the NEC and in response to the
progress made over the last two years in this regard. The ANC is
strongly committed to building an inclusive South Africa and as such
welcomes the interaction with the Afrikaans speaking and other communities.

The need was expressed, and agreement reached on certain structural
arrangements that will be put in place so as ensure that ongoing
attention be given the issues raised; and in order to ensure that these
issues remain high on the national agenda.

A report is currently being developed on the meeting, the process and
the proposed structural arrangements for tabling at the next National
Executive Committee meeting of the ANC next weekend.

*_Issued by_:
Jackson Mthembu
National Spokesperson

_Enquiries_:
Renier Schoeman, 083 251 4045
Daryl Swanepoel, 083 799 6058
Keith Khoza, 082 823 9672
***

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