Syflex MultiCollision Issue

[Arda Sernaz]

Hi all,

I have a problem about colliding two cloths eachother in syflex.

I have two syflex clothes and when i animate them to collide eachother
just one of them is animating by the collision.. cant animate them both.

have any ideas?

Thanks.

[David Barosin]

I don't think you can do separate geometry.  Might not be ideal but try merging them first.

[Arda Sernaz]

there is sphere1 and sphere2, thay are both syflex cloth with same
properties also both of them have collision to eachother but when i
start the simulation and move one of the spheres onto other one just one
of them is animating the shape because of the collision. I want to
affect them both.

[Adam Seeley]

Don't know whether it would help in this case, The Digital Tutors Using
Syflex in Maya content was very useful to read when Syflexing in soft.

There's a section about Syflex objects colliding.

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[Arda Sernaz]

i read the documentation in xsi but there is nothing about colliding two
clothes eachother.. may be it is a bug or syflex can not compute the
deformation when colliding.. :(

i will look the maya documentation now. if i could found..
thanks

[Helge Mathee]

Since I am not progressing so well on the shattering front,
I decided to push more the physics addon.

studioNEST Momentum is nearly out the door, give
it some more days and next week we will all happily
destroy walls and such.

Cheers!

http://www.vimeo.com/14991075

-H

[Ajit Menon]

Very cool stuff!
Good going Helge!

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[Schoenberger]

You never get out of the age you play with bricks, do you?
;-)

Nice stuff!

Holger Sch�nberger
technical director
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[Stefan Andersson]

looking forward to play with it! :)

regards

stefan

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[Darren Macpherson]

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Another great piece of work!  Well done and thank you Helge, it looks fun to play with.

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[David Barosin]

Just to clarify.  Select the two spheres and do a model>create>poly mesh>merge
This will give you one object.  Apply the syflex properties to the merged object. 

Use pins to move the pieces around if needed.  It's a total hack but it may get you closer to what you want. 

[Joe Williamsen]

Looks awesome, Helge! Thanks for the update :)

[Arda Sernaz]

I got your idea i guess and i tried, but i didnt give me that i want.
thanks ;)

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> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem about colliding two cloths eachother
> in syflex.
>
> I have two syflex clothes and when i animate them to
> collide
> eachother just one of them is animating by the
> collision.. cant
> animate them both.
>
> have any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
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[Gene Crucean]

Bitchin stuff Helge!

What is the latest hurdle on the shattering tools that is giving you a hard time? I'm just asking since you mentioned it's not going as well as you hoped.

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[Bill Hinkson]

Solid stuff Helge! (or maybe not so solid after some collisions)

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[Chris Johnson]

Cool stuff man...looking forward to getting my hands on it!

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3D Supervisor
Topix
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[Helge Mathee]

It is the boolean operations on surfaces when doing the
voronoi cutting. Basically you need to cut the surface into
pieces, and that's really difficult. Well, it is not soo hard,
if you want it slow. :) But I would like to achieve a quite
fast solution, so that's that.

Still working on it, will just take longer, but
I am 100% certain we'll get it in the end. :)

[Nassos Yiannopoulos]

it's a bitch isn't

2010/9/15 Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net>:

[Jens Lindgren]

Great to hear, Helge!

Looking awesome as usual :)

Just have one question: Are you planing to support quads also or just triangle meshes?

Jens

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[Helge Mathee]

Not sure yet, but probably just triangles.

[Sam Cuttriss]

are you hand rolling your own boolean?
or tapping into new ones in softimage?

[Sam J. Bowling]

Great stuff!

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[Helge Mathee]

... Final video for the release. Thanks to Holger Tesch and Mario Reitbauer for Beta-Testing!

http://vimeo.com/15097393

We will do some tweaks on the website, and release next week.

Thanks for all of the feedback,

-H

[Meng-Yang Lu]

Really, really, really nice stuff there, Helge.  I really like the rolling junk part of the demo.  Seems like something commercials love to do.  :D 

-Lu

[Steven Caron]

amazing! 

can't wait to see all the new compounds and workflows the community is going to come up with.

s

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

[Steven Caron]

oh one thing, will the code have your 'unstable' version of the booleans/shatter? 

[Joe Williamsen]

Awesome Helge!  You're building up good Karma by sharing with the community and those of us who are "code challenged" ;)  Can't wait to see what it can do :)

[Alan Fregtman]

Looks super, Helge! :D

[Andrew Nicholas]

Brilliant. This is going to make such a massive difference to doing any sort of RBD in XSI. I'd have had to go to Houdini to do some of this. Not anymore!!

Thanks so much Helge!

[Sam J. Bowling]

Just having some of these things in Softimage at any price would have been great, but to get them for free AND open source is simply unbelievable. I've been dying for a good way to shatter objects for years and it looks like I will finally be getting it. Tell your boss we all said that you deserve a raise! :)

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[Helge Mathee]

Now THAT's the kind of feedback I wanted to hear. How do I get HR involved into the mailing list? Is there a way to click "invite" anywhere... :-P

[Helge Mathee]

Yes - we will release Kratos + Momentum as Beta's. The shatter algorithm is very fast, but since it is using the Softimage Booleans it will not work in every case. To test if something will work with Kratos you can just test it with the Booleans first (for example cutting against a cube).

I will work on this in the future to improve it maybe by building our own cutting algorithm, however this is exactly where I lost it... it is a very hard problem and well, the current implementation works for what we want to do. Maybe this is better than no shatter plugin at all. Let me know what you think.

Oh and also any hint of a well working, easy to implement algorithm would be welcome. :)

[Adam Seeley]

 

Just a suggestion that may be simplistic and naive, but from the look of it voronoi cells seem to have only convex surfaces. Could you use the Slice Tool in Soft (which has always seemed to be pretty solid to me) and run a few Slice operators to create the desired shapes?

Adam.

 

 

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[Darren Macpherson]

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I definitely think this is better then no shatter plugin, in fact its all amazing and better then nothing. Thank you so much for all the hard work, I look forward to playing with it.  Good luck with that raise, its definitely well deserved!!

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[Chris Marshall]

Big Thanks!!

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[Sam J. Bowling]

LOL!

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[Tim]

Huge Thanks! 

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[Stefan Kubicek]

LOL, the story of my life :-)
Anyway, incredible work as usual.

As far as the Voronoi shattering goes I wonder what Nassos will be coming
up with in this regard.
I would not even mind if that part was a bit slow as long as it's reliable
(knowing that the Softimage booleans can be picky sometimes, and unstable).

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[Alan Fregtman]

Nope but you can send them a link to this thread...
http://groups.google.com/group/xsi_list/browse_thread/thread/d00c94b84df5f8f/e085078bdf55e77e?lnk=gst#c84d7c5ee6b88556

=P

[Szabolcs Mátéfy]

Helge for President!

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[Frederic Servant]

Congrats Helge, impressive stuff!

[Gene Crucean]

See this isn't what I like to hear. Not because of your work Helge (that part is amazing), but because of "why" is it this hard to implement into SI?

I'm sure you know a SI dev or two ;) so why not work together with them to open it up a bit? The dynamic voronoi shattering in Houdini is awesome and it would be huuge for SI to have something similar. As far as VFX is concerned anyway.

Here is a quick sample from Houdini. Sorry the motion looks like doo doo but hey, it took about 3min to set it up :) http://www.oblivionfilms.com/TEMP/HoudiniShatter_v001.mov

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Yes - we will release Kratos + Momentum as Beta's. The shatter algorithm is very fast, but since it is using the Softimage Booleans it will not work in every case. To test if something will work with Kratos you can just test it with the Booleans first (for example cutting against a cube).

I will work on this in the future to improve it maybe by building our own cutting algorithm, however this is exactly where I lost it... it is a very hard problem and well, the current implementation works for what we want to do. Maybe this is better than no shatter plugin at all. Let me know what you think.

Oh and also any hint of a well working, easy to implement algorithm would be welcome. :)

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I don't think it's as much xsi as the fact that arbitrarily remeshing an existing hull is actually quite complex for anything but simple volumes.

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[Andy Moorer]

We can call ourselves the CG Party. 

2010/9/20 Szabolcs Mátéfy <szab...@crytek.com>

Helge for President!

[Helge Mathee]

Indeed it is a very complex problem. I am sure Autodesk can push on that front, but,
you know the SDK only allows you to do certain things, and for sure, thanks to
memory and performance constraints, it is not the same for me to implement
such a complex "feature" as a free addon.

We try what we can do, but well... :)

[Helge Mathee]

Oh and one other thing, but I am quite unsure, without wanting to step
onto anybodies toes, how our policy (GPL) will work for Autodesk. I completely
understand that they can't go down the opensource road, I would do the very
same thing if I didn't have the opportunity to share (thanks to our company!),
so it is not that easy to work together on this.

[Alan Jones]

Hi Helge,

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:
> Oh and one other thing, but I am quite unsure, without wanting to step
> onto anybodies toes, how our policy (GPL) will work for Autodesk. I
> completely
> understand that they can't go down the opensource road, I would do the very
> same thing if I didn't have the opportunity to share (thanks to our
> company!),
> so it is not that easy to work together on this.

Here's how to deal with this situation
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF

The summary is release your program under the GPL with a linking exception.

Cheers,

Alan.

[Gene Crucean]

Well I'm talking wayy over my head on this one, but I guess I was talking more about how it sounded as if something in the XSISDK wasn't open enough to allow you to do this (meaning that your workarounds to that are what was making it difficult for you).

Not soo much about if AD would be able to collaborate on an open source project. Unless I misunderstood your posts?

[Raffaele Fragapane]

I would seriously consider LGPL instead of trad GPL if you want people to participate in the project.
The self-reciprocating nature of plain GPL is perceived by many as viral (and it admittedly is in many regards, even with a linking exception it's still going to scare lawyers off).
LGPL might not force people into committing back in full what they might do with your work, but it's a helluva lot more likely to at least get you partial feedback, and leave the road open for deals with large evil corporations (AD has several LGPL and freeBSD or 3 or 4 clause BSD pieces around already).

[David Rivera]

Blender´s got one, and running in Python. Over a few tutorials
I read over, they do real simple collision detection, button holds, etc..
So I was scratching my head today...
Maybe there´s a way to do something with ICE. I have been reading a lot this weekend
about iphone app development and xna game platform and they´re not really
far from what can be done in softimage, except maybe to compile stuff, but that´s another
story...

Maybe in the near future or 2012 release?
What are your thoughts, community?

David.

[Serguei Kalentchouk]

Well considering how important user input and event management is for
games and how difficult it is to hack said things in XSI, it's just
not the most ideal platform.

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[Helge Mathee]

That sounds reasonable. Let's make it LGPL then.

Thanks alot Raffaele.

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

There is no difference between LGPL and GPL with regards to committing
back changes. Neither of these force anyone to commit they changes.
They only requirement is that if you distribute a binary version, you
need to make the source available in a way that allows people to
recompile it. If you do not distribute, you do not have to do
anything. The only difference between the two license is that LGPL
explicitly allows using the code in a dynamic linked library used in a
non-GPL application. So the GPL is in fact not usable for a DLL to be
distributed with XSI or in any type of plug-ins in general.
Personally, I think it's weird to take Bullet and put more a more
restrictive license on it.

[Schoenberger]

And in this case, if people are working on the source, they are doing it 99% for any inhouse thing.
Therefore they are not required to commit any changes, no matter the license. So LGPL is better.

With LGPL the other side has all options to use it for everything and at least you have the option to ask if they would share some
stuff they have done.

Holger Sch�nberger
technical director
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[Raffaele Fragapane]

Of course the license makes no difference for committing or not.

What I mean is that gpl's all or nothing nature if you, god forbid, dare recompile something or statically link, means people might shy away from it for commercial work, lgpl being less of a hassle normally loops in more people, which in the long run means more contributions back.

Personally I like the "WHATEVER™" nature of 3 clause BSD best, but I understand a lot of people feel it's a bit too free beer and not enough freedom :)

Sent from not an iPhone

[Helge Mathee]

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

[Darren Macpherson]

[

Holiday here tomorrow too! Woohoo!  Busy downloading now, thanks once again.  The site looks great, what happened to pixel particles?

Darren

[Dan Yargici]

Great news!  Thanks Helge and thanks Studio Nest!  Can't wait to try these out!

Hehe, I was just about to mail you guys to tell you that all the links in the open source section of your website were not working, but I get I just found out why.... ;)

DAN

[Juhani Karlsson]

You guys Rock! : )

2010/9/23 Darren Macpherson <darr...@gmail.com>

[Czarek Kwasny]

Purely beautiful. :)

We love you Helge! :D

> <http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com/studio_NEST/opensource.html>

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[Rui Santos Gmail]

Fantastic!

 

Thank you!

 

Rui

[Gene Crucean]

Kapow! Thanks guys!

[Patrick Nethercoat]

This is a huge karmic enlargement for you

 

Thankyou very much indeed.

 

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[Fabrice Altman]

Awesomess level 11/10.

 

F.

 

[Juan Brockhaus]

BIG thumbs up!
Thanks a lot!

Juan

> <http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com/studio_NEST/opensource.html>

[Mike Donovan]

Nice!! ... were gonna hold off mass install until 2011.5 ... but Im gonna play in the mean time locally.

 

M

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[Jeremie Passerin]

Darren >

Pixel particules will be back. I think Helge wants to give it cool name and a fancy logo :) Then we'll put it on the same page !

[Darren Macpherson]

[

Thanks for the info Jeremie, was just wondering why it was not sitting next its big brothers, glad that its getting a nice new shiny logo and name.   Once again great work and thanks to everyone at studioNEST.

[Helge Mathee]

Thanks all!

I just noticed the linux addons are missing the bullet libraries, so you will
have to get bullet as shared and compile yourself on linux. I will fix that on
monday!

Saludos!

On 09/23/2010 06:57 PM, Fabrice Altman wrote:

Awesomess level 11/10.

 

F.

 

[andialias]

HI Helge,
thank you for sharing your tools - I hope we see you around again!
All the best!
Andi

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[Bill Hinkson]

Great releases! Thanks for all the hard work!

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[Christopher Tedin]

Great treat! Thanks guys!

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

right on time for my project. A Blessing!

Enjoy your very well deserved long week-end!

 

MAC

 

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Helge Mathee
Sent: September 23, 2010 12:35 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Hey folks,

[Stephan Hempel]

BIG thank you sharing your tools and supporting the community. Beautifully designed website!

Stephan.

HM> Hey folks,

HM> after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
HM> We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
HM> feedback on monday!

HM> We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
HM> well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
HM> addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

HM> Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

HM> Best regards to the community!

HM> Helge

HM> PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

[Stefan Andersson]

awesome!

/stefan

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[Alan Fregtman]

Nice site layout and logos. Thank you so much for your hard work, Helge! :)

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[Steven Caron]

woohoo! thanks helge!

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc? also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

s

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[Serguei Kalentchouk]

This is awesome, thank you Helge!!!

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[Steven Caron]

found the bullet version, in the project files. thanks!

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Adam Seeley]

Inspiring work on all fronts Studio Nest people.

What you've created, how you've shared it and how it's been presented.

Bravo,

Adam.

(Looking forward to crumbly goodness)

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Hey folks,

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com <http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com/studio_NEST/opensource.html>

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[ThierryBaret]

Thanks a lot Helge for all that work and great site too!

 

Thierry

 

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[Daniel H]

Helge,

Das ist sehr kühl! You and studioNEST have definitely earned a spot in the history book of generosity!

 

[Adam Sale]

Cheers Guys. What a sweet addition to Softimage's fast expanding FX tools!
Adam

[Helge Mathee]

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

[Chris Marshall]

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

--
Chris Marshall

[Szabolcs Mátéfy]

Hey,

 

 

It’s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Szabolcs

[Helge Mathee]

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,
the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs M�t�fy wrote:

Hey,

ďż˝

ďż˝

It’s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

ďż˝

ďż˝

Thanks,

ďż˝

ďż˝

ďż˝

Szabolcs

ďż˝

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To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
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ďż˝

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

ďż˝

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

ďż˝

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc?�also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

ďż˝

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

ďż˝

s

ďż˝

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

ďż˝

ďż˝

--
Chris Marshall

[Szabolcs Mátéfy]

No problem we will do a LOT of iteration, this is the best what happened this weekJ Congratulations, awesome tool, and I just showed it to my colleagues, and jaws dropped…thanks Helge!

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Szabolcs

 

From: Helge Mathee [mailto:helge....@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:37 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Cc: Szabolcs Mátéfy
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,

the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs Mátéfy wrote:

Hey,

 

 

It’s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Szabolcs

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:09 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

 

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

 

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc? also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

 

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

 

s

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

 

 

--
Chris Marshall

 

[Richard Perry]

This is brilliant - just had chance to have a play and I'm really impressed. Thanks!

On September 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,
the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs Mátéfy wrote:

Hey,

 

 

It's an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us JI have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Szabolcs

 

From:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:09 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

 

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

 

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc? also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

 

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

 

s

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

 

 

--
Chris Marshall

[Phil Williams]

So generous - thanks to all involved!

 

Nice site/branding too, very contemporary.

 

Phil

 

 

---

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Helge Mathee
Sent: 23 September 2010 17:35
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

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Just installed it and it runs beautifully and FAST. Man, what a great tool. Even better than Houdini's version, which was pretty good, but a bit flaky sometimes. Can't wait until it gets tweaked up. Booleans are a pain no matter which software package you use. Pro Booleans for Max was a big improvement for me when it came out, but that was about it.

On 9/24/10 2:43 AM, Szabolcs M�t�fy wrote:

No problem we will do a LOT of iteration, this is the best what happened this weekJ Congratulations, awesome tool, and I just showed it to my colleagues, and jaws dropped…thanks Helge!

ďż˝

ďż˝

Cheers

ďż˝

ďż˝

Szabolcs

ďż˝

From: Helge Mathee [mailto:helge....@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:37 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Cc: Szabolcs M�t�fy
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

ďż˝

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,
the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs M�t�fy wrote:

Hey,

ďż˝

ďż˝

It’s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

ďż˝

ďż˝

Thanks,

ďż˝

ďż˝

ďż˝

Szabolcs

ďż˝

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:09 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

ďż˝

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

ďż˝

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

ďż˝

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc?�also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

ďż˝

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

ďż˝

s

ďż˝

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

ďż˝

ďż˝

--
Chris Marshall

ďż˝

[Gene Crucean]

Yeah Pro Booleans still to this day, imo are the best boolean tools around.

2010/9/24 Christopher Tedin <cte...@comcast.net>

Just installed it and it runs beautifully and FAST. Man, what a great tool. Even better than Houdini's version, which was pretty good, but a bit flaky sometimes. Can't wait until it gets tweaked up. Booleans are a pain no matter which software package you use. Pro Booleans for Max was a big improvement for me when it came out, but that was about it.

On 9/24/10 2:43 AM, Szabolcs Mátéfy wrote:

No problem we will do a LOT of iteration, this is the best what happened this weekJ Congratulations, awesome tool, and I just showed it to my colleagues, and jaws dropped…thanks Helge!

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Szabolcs

 

From: Helge Mathee [mailto:helge....@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:37 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Cc: Szabolcs Mátéfy
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,

the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs Mátéfy wrote:

Hey,

 

 

It’s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Szabolcs

 

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:09 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

 

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

 

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

 

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc? also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

 

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

 

s

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

 

 

--
Chris Marshall

 

[Helge Mathee]

Momentum 1.2 is online.

- Plot not works under windows
- Linux distribution includes binaries of dependencies in the lib folder.

On 09/24/2010 08:59 PM, Gene Crucean wrote:

Yeah Pro Booleans still to this day, imo are the best boolean tools around.

2010/9/24 Christopher Tedin <cte...@comcast.net>

Just installed it and it runs beautifully and FAST. Man, what a great tool. Even better than Houdini's version, which was pretty good, but a bit flaky sometimes. Can't wait until it gets tweaked up. Booleans are a pain no matter which software package you use. Pro Booleans for Max was a big improvement for me when it came out, but that was about it.

On 9/24/10 2:43 AM, Szabolcs M�t�fy wrote:

No problem we will do a LOT of iteration, this is the best what happened this weekJ Congratulations, awesome tool, and I just showed it to my colleagues, and jaws dropped�thanks Helge!

�

�

Cheers

�

�

Szabolcs

�

From: Helge Mathee [mailto:helge....@gmx.net]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:37 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Cc: Szabolcs M�t�fy
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

�

Like I mentioned on some of the videos, Szabolcs,
the shatter is based on the Softimage Boolean. To get rid
of that issue shatter a couple of times with different seeds
on the particle cloud, and you should be fine. If the boolean
doesn't work for you character, you won't be able to use
Kratos either. Sorry about that.

We are working on a better algorithm for Kratos 2.0.

On 09/24/2010 09:32 AM, Szabolcs M�t�fy wrote:

Hey,

�

�

It�s an excellent release, and it came just in time to help us J I have an issue though, I wanted to shatter a character of mine, but when the shatter finished, some of the chunks has been incorporated into the fractured mesh.

�

�

Thanks,

�

�

�

Szabolcs

�

From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:09 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

�

Great stuff! Wish I had more free time to play!!

�

On 24 September 2010 07:00, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

We are using codeblocks for cross platform, and Alan Jones is switching it to cmake,
so I hope in the future we will be able to provide that in an easy fashion.

On 09/23/2010 09:32 PM, Steven Caron wrote:

woohoo! thanks helge!

�

have you considered providing some type of build system? cmake, scons, etc?�also build instructions and requirements of bullet, like the version?

�

since it is open source, maybe the community can help with that. but i was just wondering if you had this already?

�

s

�

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Helge Mathee <helge....@gmx.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

after talking for a long time on the list, finally the new website is online.
We will enjoy a nice holiday tomorrow here in spain, and await your
feedback on monday!

We love to share the new tools Momentum and Kratos, as well as the
well-known tools from studioNEST like Brigks and Melena. Another
addition to the arsenal is Essence, our core library (this is "only" source code).

Thanks to everybody involved (especially the beta testers)

Best regards to the community!

Helge

PS: http://opensource.studionestbarcelona.com

�

�

--
Chris Marshall

�

[Ciaran Moloney]

That's a really great job you guys are doing. And thanks for sharing with us all.

Ciaran

[Joe Williamsen]

Thanks for the update, Helge - BTW - where do you want us to send bugs?

[Helge Mathee]

Ideally submit issues to the GIT projects.
http://github.com/studioNEST

just click on one of the projects, to create issues use the issues tab.

Helge

[phil]

Helge

 

while I have you on the list, what is the proper way to cache a Momentum particle system.  I don't think the

Momentum cache works for particle systems, and I am getting nothing useful from the Softimage caching.

 

Phil

----- Original Message -----

From: Helge Mathee

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:05 PM

Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

[Helge Mathee]

Phil,

I've used the environment caching and it seems to work fine for me.

Helge

On 09/27/2010 08:30 PM, phil wrote:

Helge

�

while I have you on the list, what is the proper way to cache a Momentum particle system.� I don't think the

Momentum cache works for particle�systems, and I am getting nothing useful from the Softimage caching.

�

[phil]

ah,   I was trying to use the :write to cache file" in which I had no luck.

 

thanks

Phil

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Helge Mathee

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:38 PM

Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

Phil,

I've used the environment caching and it seems to work fine for me.

Helge

On 09/27/2010 08:30 PM, phil wrote:

Helge

 

while I have you on the list, what is the proper way to cache a Momentum particle system.  I don't think the

Momentum cache works for particle systems, and I am getting nothing useful from the Softimage caching.

 

Phil

----- Original Message -----

From: Helge Mathee

To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:05 PM

Subject: Re: studioNEST Opensource Launch

Ideally submit issues to the GIT projects.
http://github.com/studioNEST

just click on one of the projects, to create issues use the issues tab.

Helge

On 09/27/2010 07:20 PM, Joe Williamsen wrote:

Thanks for the update, Helge - BTW - where do you want us to send bugs?



On 9/27/2010 2:23 AM, Helge Mathee wrote:

Momentum 1.2 is online.

- Plot not works under windows
- Linux distribution includes binaries of dependencies in the lib folder.

On 09/24/2010 08:59 PM, Gene Crucean wrote:

Yeah Pro Booleans still to this day, imo are the best boolean tools around.

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[Adam Sale]

Hey folks.
I've been playing around with Kratos and Momentum.
Great stuff.
Regarding Kratos, have any of you had any problems with the fractured mesh it generates containing the original unfractured geo?
I'm using shatter by volume, and the problem compounds when you use Momentum to set it as a deform RBD. The fractured geo blows apart.
I find this problem is occuring when I set a higher emit rate
I've tried with various mesh types, quads, tris
Transforms are frozen.
I've played back a few times to make sure.
I would say anything over a rate of 400 starts to become unstable on my end.. 
I wonder if this is part of the boolean issue Helge was mentioning?

Anyhow, if there are any of you who have worked around this, I'd love to hear all about it

Irie

Adam