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Andy Nicholas

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More options Sep 13 2012, 10:04 am

From: Andy Nicholas <a...@andynicholas.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:03:28 +0100 (BST)

Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2012 10:03 am

Subject: Re: In case you missed it..

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Wow. I used "XSI" once (by mistake, and I'll correct it in a sec) compared to
six uses of Softimage, and somehow the whole blog is referring to XSI?
Seriously?!!

And does it really matter?

On 13 September 2012 at 14:34 Stephen Davidson <magic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I find it strange that the
> Autodesk layoffs and Softimage’s future

> blog refers to Softimage as "XSI"

> Just sayin'

> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Andy Nicholas <a...@andynicholas.com
> <mailto:a...@andynicholas.com> > wrote:
> > > +1000 Yep, well said Jules. The main reason we started up the London
> > > user group
> > again was to try to inject a bit of positivity into the community.
> > Clearly we're
> > long overdue another meeting.

> > Whoever it was who asked why AD wasn't putting out reassurances to
> > customers
> > about the future of Softimage, probably didn't see this statement from
> > Chris
> > Vienneau from the 3DPro list that I posted on our site last week:
> > http://www.softimagecreatives.com/siclondon/?p=1204
> > <http://www.softimagecreatives.com/siclondon/?p=1204>

> > The fact is that they're constantly telling us that it's full steam ahead
> > with
> > Softimage, but people keep on dismissing these comments as Autodesk spin.
> > In
> > such a situation, what are the guys at AD to do? Damned if they do,
> > damned if
> > they don't. What could AD possibly say (legally) that would convince you?

> > There's also a certain amount of wilful misinterpretation going on over
> > AD's
> > motives which I really don't see as being helpful to anyone and certainly
> > doesn't help to push forward the discussion in a productive way.

> > All that aside, I agree that it would be good if someone at AD would take
> > the
> > responsibility to update the Softimage customer stories page. We do
> > stacks of
> > jobs with Softimage at The Mill every year, and I'd be very happy to help
> > with
> > getting some material together from our end. Someone at AD either just
> > has to
> > ask, or let me know who I need to talk to. The way I see it; if something
> > bothers you, why not try to do something about it.

> > Andy

> > On 13 September 2012 at 09:12 Jules Stevenson <droolz...@googlemail.com
> > <mailto:droolz...@googlemail.com> > wrote:

> > > I completely agree with this Marc. There is so much negative sentiment
> > > in this
> > > thread that I'd be surprised if AD is still listening. Some of the
> > > folks there
> > > are probably pretty proud to work for them and have a genuine interest
> > > in
> > > Soft, so this thread is painful reading. I don't agree with the
> > > marketing of
> > > soft at all, but I do still 'evangelize' the product, and will continue
> > > to do
> > > so until there is something which for us as a studio works better (we
> > > jumped
> > > from Maya to Soft about 5 years ago and haven't looked back since).
> > > If AD were to sink this beautiful ship then so be it. Until that point
> > > for
> > > the good of my sanity, my crew and my studio, I will continue to push
> > > the
> > > usage of Softimage, and ignore a small graphic that is very hard to
> > > find (I'm
> > > on the marketing lists for Max, Maya and Soft, and pretty much every
> > > other bit
> > > of AD spam plus my reseller) and never personally received or saw it.

> > > There is little point in begrudging the AD employees that are doing
> > > what they
> > > can do with what resources they have to keep soft out there - these are
> > > the
> > > guys that are 'on our side'. Stating that the software is EOL is also
> > > massively counter-productive, it's a lovely juicy soundbite to throw
> > > around
> > > the office. Shit sticks, even if it's unfounded.

> > > The proof of commitment (or not) will be seen in the next release.

> > > Cheers,

> > > Jules

> > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Marc Brinkley
> > > <Marc.Brink...@microsoft.com <mailto:Marc.Brink...@microsoft.com>
> > > <mailto:Marc.Brink...@microsoft.com
> > > <mailto:Marc.Brink...@microsoft.com> > > wrote:
> > > > > So um, i just thinking that if I were ADSK and was listening to
> > > > > this
> > > > > conversation

> > > > My existing customers of the software believe the software is EOL

> > > > My existing customers of the software are telling other customers
> > > > not to
> > > > bother instead of evangelizing the software.

> > > > My customers decide not to believe me when i say we are continuing
> > > > to
> > > > develop the software even when several members of team directly say
> > > > it.

> > > > If I were in their shoes, what do you suppose I would be thinking.
> > > > Seems
> > > > like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

> > > > Not directed to anyone specifically. But if we dont believe they
> > > > why
> > > > should they.

> > > > All things will end eventually, sure, and I am tried of fighting
> > > > an up
> > > > hill battle, sure. But until I get a letter specifically stating EOL
> > > > and
> > > > here are my side grade (or ahem, down grade) options to other
> > > > software, I
> > > > will keep on using it.

> > > > :D

> > > > Sent from my car while driving

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> > > > From: Rob Chapman
> > > > Sent: 9/12/2012 1:13 PM
> > > > To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> > > > <mailto: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com> >
> > > > Subject: Re: In case you missed it..

> > > > So Maurice,
> > > > A brave effort with your rhetoric but sadly the results you
> > > > achieved are
> > > > letting you down. It is exactly what we did not expect or were used
> > > > to
> > > > before you are your crew took it upon yourselves to remarket
> > > > Softimage
> > > > within the given framework of M&E apps at AD. Do you think what you
> > > > have
> > > > done has improved things for the existing Softimage user base? can
> > > > you
> > > > account for how Softimage has less penetration now in the market as a
> > > > fully
> > > > featured Application to base an entire pipeline off** and has much
> > > > less
> > > > 'perceived' value than before you began your current campaign?

> > > > bravo! didnt you do well!? I believe you have failed quite
> > > > miserably at
> > > > your job and should most definitely be more respectful than 'be happy
> > > > with
> > > > possible increased sales and deal with it' to those whose value as
> > > > professionals within this industry are greatly diminished than they
> > > > were 4
> > > > years ago. Are you at all surprised that those you have sacrificed
> > > > to the
> > > > greater good that is Maya don't want any further business with
> > > > Autodesk?

> > > > **where I work the studio has many hundreds of commercials,3
> > > > short
> > > > movies with countless awards and one was bafta nominated this year -
> > > > all
> > > > made with this measly particle plugin and not a single Maya or Max in
> > > > sight.

> > > > On 12 September 2012 20:41, Maurice Patel
> > > > <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
> > > > <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
> > > > <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Well, we have said that we are committed to developing and
> > > > > > > marketing Softimage. It might not be exactly in the way
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > expect but that commitment has been explicitly stated by
> > > > > > > myself
> > > > > > > and others. The discussion has been about our tactics and
> > > > > > > why we
> > > > > > > do things the way we do.

> > > > > Maurice Patel
> > > > > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 <tel:514%20954-7134>
> > > > > <tel:514%20954-7134>
> > > > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> > [mailto:
> > > > > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> > ] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Daniel H
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > > > To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> > > > > <mailto: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > > > <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: In case you missed it..
> > > > > Re: "We are very well aware and I and my team work hard to do
> > > > > the
> > > > > most we can with the resources we have." - Maurice Patel

> > > > > Seriously Maurice... you have any-time access to "freely"
> > > > > speak
> > > > > directly to the main vein of the SI community. Does it cost AD
> > > > > anything to
> > > > > make a simple text statement of confidence on a list, blog, or
> > > > > forum? Is
> > > > > Autodesk really committed to the future and continuing development
> > > > > of
> > > > > Softimage? Is Softimage just being used as acquired tech to be
> > > > > robbed
> > > > > from? It's ok if it's the later, although we won't transition over
> > > > > to
> > > > > Maya, we'll just counter by transitioning to Houdini.

> > > > > Do you really want my continued business Maurice? Does
> > > > > Autodesk
> > > > > really want to keep my business? Should we just get it over with
> > > > > and start
> > > > > giving our hard-earned money to SideFX? 3D software isn't cheap ya
> > > > > know.
> > > > > What would you like us to do? Where's a free statement or two of
> > > > > "confidence" to keep us investing in Softimage?

> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > VFXM

> --

> Best Regards,
> Stephen P. Davidson
> (954) 552-7956
> sdavid...@3Danimationmagic.com
> <http://www.3danimationmagic.com>

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