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Matt Morris

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Jul 26, 2010, 7:12:22 PM7/26/10
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New #Autodesk Entertainment Suites adds #Softimage#LagoaMultiphysics and #Turtlehttp://bit.ly/co7fPS

The latest kick in the teeth then - softimage gets bundled with the premium editions of the max and maya creative suites. I can see that it will be a good way for mainly max or maya studios to get their hands on SI to play with it a bit, but can't help feel that their positioning of SI makes it more difficult to continue to run it as the main application in a studio, and makes it less attractive to those new to 3d. Why would any student want to learn SI when Autodesk makes it abundantly clear that maya or max are the preferred options. 

The tweet does suggest a silver lining though - lagoa to be bundled with softimage? Hope so :)

Sorry about the rant, just had to get it off me chest! 

Matt

Eric Thivierge

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Jul 26, 2010, 7:22:12 PM7/26/10
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How many maya users have ever heard of soft? Not a lot. New edu suites are now including soft which will help get exposure too. Not sure why everyone always goes so damn negative with this stuff.

More exposure = more knowing about it.

Sent from Education summit@ siggraph.

David Barosin

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Jul 26, 2010, 7:33:42 PM7/26/10
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Well you could argue that the common package is Softimage.  I don't think they're killing the elephant just for the ivory.

Adrian Lopez

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Jul 26, 2010, 7:51:27 PM7/26/10
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Trying hard not to see this in a negative light, but am I understanding that Softimage is going the way of Combustion and Matchmover?  Just a part of the Maya Toolset?  What are they going to call it, Maya Character?  Maya ICE?  Anyone know if there have been any real advances in Maya Live and Maya Composite since they were swallowed up and regurgitated?

Steven Caron

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Jul 26, 2010, 7:55:32 PM7/26/10
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Maya ICE? naw... why redevelop and re implement what already works.

s

Meng-Yang Lu

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:08:46 PM7/26/10
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Can't say I'm happy about the move to sorta 'backseat' Softimage like this, but the good news is that no matter where I am, there's probably a seat of Soft there for me to utilize in a pinch. 

Still makes my stomach lurch a bit when I see things like this. 

-Lu

John Richard Sanchez

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:15:41 PM7/26/10
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As an XSI user I wouldnt mind a suite where I could get maya and Motionbuilder.
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Eric Thivierge

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:18:18 PM7/26/10
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Are you used to any other seat other than the back?

It seems like a lot of people want all or nothing. Careful what you wish for.

On Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM, "Meng-Yang Lu" <ntmo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't say I'm happy about the move to sorta 'backseat' Softimage like this, but the good news is that no matter where I am, there's probably a seat of Soft there for me to utilize in a pinch. 

Still makes my stomach lurch a bit when I see things like this. 

-Lu



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> Maya ICE? naw... why r...

Luc-Eric Rousseau

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:28:42 PM7/26/10
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It's a Premium Suite with maya+mudbox+softimage+motion builder like the Adobe CS suites, not a free bundle with maya like Toxik is.


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Adrian Lopez

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:34:47 PM7/26/10
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But that's just it, they didn't redevelop matchmover, just bought it and renamed it Maya Live. 

Sent from the future, on my iPhone 9. 

Raffaele Fragapane

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:35:26 PM7/26/10
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I would guess people's concern is the message, that you can choose max or maya as first choice, while XSI is always "bundled", while you can't choose max and maya, and this might diminish the perceived value of XSI, not to mention pigeonhole it a bit as an ICE suite.

What is somewhat ironic though is that no matter what, if you buy the suite you will have to have XSI sitting around. This part might sway a few users towards soft hopefully, and at least AD now includes Soft in their suite, which people were complaining they didn't before.

As long as XSI is still developed and thought out as a full 3D app, and doesn't become just a host for ICE and cache outputs, I don't care, might even be good in the long run.

Luc-Eric Rousseau

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Jul 26, 2010, 8:58:24 PM7/26/10
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The product is a Suite marketted to Maya users. A purchasing option that allows them to get Softimage a little cheaper than buying it separately, and there is a one-click workflow interop. It's windows-only at this time. nCache support now available in Softimage.


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Adrian Lopez

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Jul 26, 2010, 9:10:10 PM7/26/10
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Ahhhhh  I see... said the blind man...

Raffaele Fragapane

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Jul 26, 2010, 9:19:24 PM7/26/10
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Does that mean internally AD acknowledges that you might need XSI if you have Maya, hence the suite, but if you just have XSI you're pretty much settled anyway? ;)

Andy Jones

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Jul 26, 2010, 9:50:32 PM7/26/10
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Guys, I suggest we take this opportunity to begin spreading rumors
that Autodesk is trying to slowly migrate Maya and Max users to the
more modern XSI architecture. Maybe it will become a self-fulfilling
prophecy.

Case in point, as I've gotten more and more concerned that XSI's days
could be numbered, I've started frantically trying to learn Maya.
(The Qt port of an already cross-platform app, while
non-cross-platform XSI remains in MainWin32.COM hell has made me
particularly jumpy). If we can trick enough people into thinking it's
the other way around, maybe the momentum will just magically shift as
the Maya/Max users start freaking out and learning XSI. Consider: if
someone tells you you're about to get punched in the nuts, even if you
know it's highly unlikely, you still keep your guard up. Er... down?

And if lying makes you feel bad, just tell yourself that the rumors
are based on your faith that Autodesk is a great company, which
nurtures all the technology it acquires and always makes decisions
with the users' best interest in mind. That way, at worst, we're only
lying to ourselves. (To be clear, that's meant as a slightly
distrustful challenge to AD, not an outright insult).

Long story short, does anyone have a crop duster we can use to drop
hotkey quick references on the big 5?

- Andy

Ciaran Moloney

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Jul 27, 2010, 2:57:52 AM7/27/10
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So, what's the Softimage Entertainment Creation Suite? I can see it in my subscription center when I try to select my product in one of the numerous forms. Did I miss something?

Jeremie Passerin

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Jul 27, 2010, 3:30:57 AM7/27/10
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Bye bye Softimage, we loved you !

See you all for the next big announcement ICE in Maya !
I would say 2 years left and we're done.

Szabolcs Mátéfy

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Jul 27, 2010, 3:42:56 AM7/27/10
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I know it sounds pathetic, but to me the possibility of canceling Softimage sounds like the possibility to canceling pencils.

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:31 AM
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Bye bye Softimage, we loved you !

Jeremie Passerin

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Jul 27, 2010, 3:43:50 AM7/27/10
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I love this one :
Autodesk Softimage software, featuring the Interactive Creative Environment (ICE) to help in the creation of more sophisticated effects that can be integrated into Maya and 3ds Max through new ICE interoperability technology, as well as Autodesk Face Robot technology to help in the creation of higher-quality facial animation

So now Softimage is officially just a plugin to get ICE in Maya and Max!

Steven Caron

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Jul 27, 2010, 3:44:05 AM7/27/10
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not pathetic at all... i agree with you

s

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Schoenberger

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Jul 27, 2010, 3:53:03 AM7/27/10
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Even Autodesk sees that Maya or Max users might be interested into using Softimage in production (Because it has its advantages over Maya/Max in some areas ).  
But it is easier to sell a bundle than get customers to completely buy an additional package.
And a Softimage bundle.. Hmm, perhaps with Matchmover and Toxic, but do we want Maya or Max?
(Flame: We already use the best package! Max is only useful because of the plugins, so it would be better to get those plugins for SI. Maya... has nice FX, but to get all out in nice render layers is a mess... )
 
So, over all I think it is not that XSI is bundled as second app with the others that bothers us.
It is because we think SI does not seem to get the same attention at AD.
No direct link on the website,
no Softimage bundle (even if we would never buy it, just to see there is something...)
advertising prefers Max and Maya (sometimes no SI at all)
 
 
Other companies would have spreaded a new campain to feature the new advanced product they now offer.
AD did not do it. They bought SI and did continue to preferely market the old products.
 
That's the mess with big companies.
A lot of guys that make decisions just look at the sell numbers.
 
 
Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night

 


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Raffaele Fragapane

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Jul 27, 2010, 4:04:48 AM7/27/10
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Whichever suite you get, you have to get Softimage with it. So you can look at the names maya and max in the suites as which optional package between maya and max you wish to have ;)
Cheer up people, it's still being sold on its own as well.

Alex

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Jul 27, 2010, 4:27:17 AM7/27/10
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Eugen Sares

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Jul 27, 2010, 4:27:52 AM7/27/10
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Nothing wrong with selling SI to Maya users in a bundle. One channel more
to draw attention.

Still: as long as there are things other apps do better than SI, they will
be favored.
Give us ICE Geometry, as soon as possible! Make it top priority.
Then there won't be many weak spots be left in SI. None, in fact.
The first and best way to convince is to offer a rock-solid product.
May AD marketing be ignorant - people will notice anyway if there's
something really interesting around.

Am 27.07.2010, 10:04 Uhr, schrieb Raffaele Fragapane
<raffsx...@googlemail.com>:

Graham Bell

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Jul 27, 2010, 5:40:24 AM7/27/10
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Erm not quite. Maya Live was around before Autodesk got hold of Matchmover. Maya Live has now been dropped from Maya, now that you get Matchmover as an optional install.

With regarding the thread, guys it's just a suite and as Luc-Eric has said, it's the Maya (and imo, the Max users) that it's aimed at.
However, as Chinny has mentioned before, it's more likely that these users/studios will want to add Softimage to their pipeline, so the premium Suite sounds like a good option especially if you are already using some of the other packages, and if you're already a Suite customers and want to also use Soft, then it's a no brainer.


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Sent: 27 July 2010 01:35
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But that's just it, they didn't redevelop matchmover, just bought it and renamed it Maya Live.

Sent from the future, on my iPhone 9.

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com<mailto:car...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Maya ICE? naw... why redevelop and re implement what already works.

s

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Adrian Lopez <vfx...@gmail.com<mailto:vfx...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Trying hard not to see this in a negative light, but am I understanding that Softimage is going the way of Combustion and Matchmover? Just a part of the Maya Toolset? What are they going to call it, Maya Character? Maya ICE? Anyone know if there have been any real advances in Maya Live and Maya Composite since they were swallowed up and regurgitated?

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:33 PM, David Barosin <dbar...@gmail.com<mailto:dbar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well you could argue that the common package is Softimage. I don't think they're killing the elephant just for the ivory.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Matt Morris <mat...@gmail.com<mailto:mat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
New #Autodesk<http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Autodesk> Entertainment Suites adds #Softimage<http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Softimage>, #Lagoa<http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Lagoa>Multiphysics and #Turtle<http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Turtle>. http://bit.ly/co7fPS

The latest kick in the teeth then - softimage gets bundled with the premium editions of the max and maya creative suites. I can see that it will be a good way for mainly max or maya studios to get their hands on SI to play with it a bit, but can't help feel that their positioning of SI makes it more difficult to continue to run it as the main application in a studio, and makes it less attractive to those new to 3d. Why would any student want to learn SI when Autodesk makes it abundantly clear that maya or max are the preferred options.

The tweet does suggest a silver lining though - lagoa to be bundled with softimage? Hope so :)

Sorry about the rant, just had to get it off me chest!

Matt

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Stephen Blair

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Jul 27, 2010, 5:40:34 AM7/27/10
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That's available in Japan only.

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So, what's the Softimage Entertainment Creation Suite? I can see it in my subscription center when I try to select my product in one of the numerous forms. Did I miss something?

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> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau <luce...@gmail.com<mailto:luce...@gmail.com>>

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Sebastian Kowalski

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Jul 27, 2010, 5:56:13 AM7/27/10
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so i understand that lagoa was bought by ad and i assume that it will be available for us non prem suite buyers?



Alex

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Jul 27, 2010, 7:48:54 AM7/27/10
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just my two pennys but why does it seem that every piece of creative Autodesk software seems to get marketing apart from softimage.

http://area.autodesk.com/siggraph/areatv-productdemos


Rob Wuijster

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Jul 27, 2010, 7:55:18 AM7/27/10
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Also, Max gets it's 20th anniversary, what about Softimage just a couple of weeks ago?? Not even a note on the Area, it just went by silently on the list.... <sigh..>
rob

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On 7/27/2010 01:48 PM, Alex wrote:
just my two pennys but why does it seem that every piece of creative Autodesk software seems to get marketing apart from softimage.

http://area.autodesk.com/siggraph/areatv-productdemos


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Dan Yargici

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Jul 27, 2010, 7:58:40 AM7/27/10
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+1

Autodesk really ought to put some energy into Soft.  It's shockingly bad marketing.

DAN

David Barosin

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Jul 27, 2010, 8:08:33 AM7/27/10
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While we're waiting for a decent marketing advocate at Autodesk, you could think of it like Invasion of the Body Snatchers where Softimage is a pod sitting next to each of their 3d packages ;)



Adam Seeley

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Jul 27, 2010, 8:11:26 AM7/27/10
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Does rather feel like being the last one to get picked last when your mates are choosing footy teams....
 
I'm sure there's a marvellous reason why Illuminate, Inventor, Revit Architecture and Civil 3D take a higher promotional place than Softimage on Autodesks front page. I'm sure ICE will ensure the survival of Soft (thank goodness it was in there).
 
Adam.
 
 
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just my two pennys but why does it seem that every piece of creative Autodesk software seems to get marketing apart from softimage.

http://area.autodesk.com/siggraph/areatv-productdemos


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Stephen Blair

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Jul 27, 2010, 9:49:13 AM7/27/10
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I'm pretty sure some of those products (Inventor, Revit, Civil 3D) have a lot more users than Softimage.


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Does rather feel like being the last one to get picked last when your mates are choosing footy teams....

I'm sure there's a marvellous reason why Illuminate, Inventor, Revit Architecture and Civil 3D take a higher promotional place than Softimage on Autodesks front page. I'm sure ICE will ensure the survival of Soft (thank goodness it was in there).

Adam.


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Eric Lampi

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:20:47 AM7/27/10
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I've been having a very difficult time with ICE lately using 2010 64 bit on
Windows.

My caches go screwy on the farm, rendering nothing at all, or the cloud
disappears entirely from frame to frame. I tried using different sim modes,
caching them within the environment settings and locking the cache and also
plotting the geo-cache and using a cache on file node in an empty tree. I have
also found that that the attribute node in the render tree to apply the color to
the instances doesn't seem to be working either. I get black frames or
instances that haven't inherited the attribute color that works fine from my
preview.

Of course I haven't even mentioned that the entire particle cloud blinks on and
off periodically... Even locally.

Any tips?

Thanks,

Eric

Freelance 3-D Animator, F/X Artist

Fabrice Altman

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:26:10 AM7/27/10
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I'm pretty sure that Fiat sells more 500's than Ferraris. Does that mean
their PR budget is in
relation to the amount of sales ?

I guess AD maybe thinks that :

1/ it is not making enough money on Soft to justify bundles/PR etc...
2/ it does not have a top sales guy behind it.
3/ or Soft is making enough money by itself without the need of PR push.

I'd go for 1 or 2 unfortunately.

F.

John Payne

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:29:55 AM7/27/10
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Having worked at Studios that use Max and Maya as their primary tools and who really like Soft
but complain that the pool of freelancers and students is too small to justify buying seats, this AD bundle
is probably a good thing.  I've found that once I start showing off ICE to virgin TD's their lust for something Soft
quickly makes them forget about that Maya chick who we all know is a high maintenance b*tch.

The future is probably going to be Soft 2012 = Maya 2012 once AD rolls out their new Uber 3D Mayaxsoft.

- John

John Payne

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:38:03 AM7/27/10
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Hi Eric,

If this is not a buttoned down network pipe, Try saving the cache files local to the farm machines
and render large blocks of frames .  It's a hack fix I know.

- John

Christopher Tedin

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:45:56 AM7/27/10
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I dunno. It sounds to me like Autodesk is switching their users completely to Softimage, and offering their customers Max and Maya as options to output their final work to different renderers (3ds Max for Vray and Brazil, Maya for Renderman.) Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but... ;-)

Byron Nash

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:46:00 AM7/27/10
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How does this all tie in with what Chinny(I think it was him?) said about how Softimage was doing really well with sales and was adding developers? This was just a few months ago.

Stephen Davidson

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:46:20 AM7/27/10
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I actually tried to learn Maya trying to land a job in an all Maya studio. After modeling, texturing, and animation in Softimage since version 1.0, trying to do the same in Maya was trying to work with boxing gloves on. I'm sure a lot of it had to do with being used to certain controls and menus being unfamiliar, but I can't believe that any animator wouldn't find Softimage easier and quicker to use to create animation. ICE just ads even more to seal the deal. That's just my view, though.

Any Maya users, on here, that use Softimage, and can confirm this view?

I never quite got the hang of Maya and did not get the job.
I now do freelance 3D animation for clients that don't care what software I use.

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John Richard Sanchez

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:45:27 AM7/27/10
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3D Mayaaxsoft sounds like the way to go. :)  But really I guess I am just an optimist but having more studios with soft is a good thing. As long as future development of ice and soft continue. Will be waiting to hear all news about soft from siggrapoh this week. That should give us some indication of how the wind is blowing. As for soft users knowing maya or max would be a good thing as well. I am blessed to know maya as well as soft but highly prefer soft.

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Christopher Tedin

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:57:49 AM7/27/10
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I have been using 3ds Max for more than a decade, since version 1.5. I always find it quickest to get the final results in. Faster than Maya and Soft. However, you run up against a wall pretty quickly. I learned Maya next, then XSI, and found XSI to be quicker for just about everything, and way more intuitive. Maya is no slouch, but XSI is much more efficient. Just my two cents.

Sandy Sutherland

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:26:51 AM7/27/10
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All this stuff works better in 2011 - I use Attribute colour to get a
grad on particles here -very slow to render though - but did work - also
creating on Windoze machines, rendering on Linux farm - still worked!!

S.

adrian wyer

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Jul 27, 2010, 10:54:17 AM7/27/10
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What would be nice is;

 

If AD were to treat us, the paying, subscribed customers, like adults….and let us know what the score is….

 

This list is where the user-base is, the people on this list LOVE their choice of software, and this list is the perfect conduit for the dissemination of FACTS from AD straight to us users….

 

Come on AD, let’s have some rumour control, we KNOW you’re reading this!

We don’t bite, and our bark is only an indication of how much we care [and spend ;o)]

 

a

 


Oscar Juarez

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Jul 27, 2010, 11:20:44 AM7/27/10
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Maybe it won't comfort people much but the main image on Autodesk's
Siggraph site was done on Softimage.

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> From:
> softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Byron Nash
> Sent: 27 July 2010 15:46
> To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: autodesk tweet of
> interest
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> How does this all tie in
> with what Chinny(I think it was him?) said about how Softimage was doing really
> well with sales and was adding developers? This was just a few months ago.
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> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Payne <johnwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Having worked at Studios that use Max and Maya as their primary tools
> and who really like Soft
> but complain that the pool of freelancers and students is too small to justify
> buying seats, this AD bundle

> is probably a good thing.� I've found that once I start showing off ICE to

Robert Chapman

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We have found that if you submit to the farm from the wrong pass sometimes the attributes don't kick in. Opening the scene, changing to the correct pass and resubmit sometimes can help

sent from my android

On 27 Jul 2010 15:59, "Sandy Sutherland" <sa...@triggerfish.co.za> wrote:

All this stuff works better in 2011 - I use Attribute colour to get a grad on particles here -very slow to render though - but did work - also creating on Windoze machines, rendering on Linux farm - still worked!!

S.



On 2010/07/27 04:20 PM, Eric Lampi wrote:
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> I've been having a very difficult time with ICE late...

Martijn Verkuil

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Jul 27, 2010, 5:12:21 PM7/27/10
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Well if it's all sales AD is looking at to justify the effort put in a product than the bundle is a good thing. Since every Maya or Max suite is also a Softimage sale.
It makes it harder to kill Soft since they can't really tell if people bought the suite because or despite the bundled Soft version. 
And if the AD marketing guys won't promote Softimage than I am sure the guy who works with that bundled Softimage version in an all Maya/Max studio will show them the light.
(S)He'll basically becomes a Softimage salesperson on-site. :-)
 
It's a shame AD didn't use Lagoa to push Softimage a bit more since it had some great free exposure.

Sam Cuttriss

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Jul 27, 2010, 6:30:45 PM7/27/10
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I feel the exact opposite.
hopefully softimage winds up in the hands of many more people who otherwise may not have had the opportunity to use it.
im anxious being bundled will make it far more difficult to associate  positive softimage performance with a positive quarter, as the sales data is now super ambiguous.
that will make it more challenging for soft to negotiate if placed under pressure.

meh, not a lot we can do about it.
all we can hope is for studios to start seeking single licences after being exposed to soft through the bundle.

the burden rests on the quality of the initial user experience.

Kris Rivel

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Jul 27, 2010, 9:44:24 PM7/27/10
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Wow...just catching up on this...not been as active as usual on the lists lately.

At first, I was confused and a bit pissed but now...I see the silver lining for sure.  So anyone that goes along with this package (which financially makes a ton of sense) will get Softimage along with it.  Fantastic..we just went from next to nothing seats of SI to seats of SI all over.  So lets "infect" the masses shall we?  Its available...people start to play and before you know it, more people maybe using it...and not just for doing particles in ICE but also modeling, animation, etc.

Kris

Steven Caron

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Jul 27, 2010, 9:50:46 PM7/27/10
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infiltrate!

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Steve Pratt

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Jul 27, 2010, 11:11:21 PM7/27/10
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I think it's very clever marketing.
It's a very effective way of getting Soft into artist's hands who otherwise would not get the oppourtunity if their pipeline is Maya/Max based.
I can't see a downside. It won't hurt Soft's market only expand it.

My AUD2 cents worth. So about 1.6 US cents.

Michal Doniec

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Jul 28, 2010, 4:43:53 AM7/28/10
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Use maya for rendering (renderman), Softimage for everything else, that's what they recommend to do :).

I don't know about Max...
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Williams, Wayne

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Jul 28, 2010, 10:15:13 AM7/28/10
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From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steven Caron
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:51 PM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: autodesk tweet of interest

 

infiltrate!

Stephen Davidson

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Jul 28, 2010, 1:08:29 PM7/28/10
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I just realized....
As a freelancer I usually work on my own system at home.
Some jobs, however require that I be on site to do the work.
For many of the Jobs it was always an issue that the seats 
were Maya and since I didn't know Maya, very well, I would
not get the job and loose out to a Maya artist.

NOW... since Softimage is included with the Suite, this
is no longer an issue. There should be a Softimage seat
at any facility with a Maya suite. 


It might take a while for all the facilities to upgrade, but
this is good news for all us freelance Softimage artists.


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Xsi

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Jul 28, 2010, 2:01:06 PM7/28/10
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This is only possible if the company you're working for
bought the suite and not simple maya license as the price is not the same

Regards
A.

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Eric Thivierge

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Jul 28, 2010, 2:22:50 PM7/28/10
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Are there that many studios that run solely on maya and nothing else? I didn't think that was possible. Thought most places needed other apps that are included in the suites as well.

On Jul 28, 2010 11:00 AM, "Xsi" <ahmid...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is only possible if the company you're working for
bought the suite and not simple maya license as the price is not the same

Regards
A.

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 28 juil. 2010 à 19:08, Stephen Davidson <magi...@bellsouth.net> a écrit :

> I just realized....
> As a freelancer I usually work on my own system at home.

> Some jobs, howeve...

Serguei Kalentchouk

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Jul 28, 2010, 2:34:01 PM7/28/10
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While it might be a cute notion that now there will be an XSI seat in every Maya/Max house... I've worked for 3 Maya based studios now and they weren't buying up the suites... Once you start dealing with bulk licensing and actually projecting the seats of each software you might need the suite option is no longer economically beneficial.
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