Silver Subscription for Softimage?
Thomas Helzle
Douglas Adams
Since starting today the new price for (gold-) subscription is in
effect - can anybody from Autodesk comment on why there is no silver
subscription for Softimage?
We were told the price increase was about levelling XSI with the other
products.
If that is the case, why not go all the way and also offer silver support?
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Matt Morris
Stephen Blair
At the time of the acquisition, a Softimage maintenance contract was a much closer match to Gold than to Silver, so it seems like Autodesk made the correct decision to migrate customers on active maintenance to Gold. That, I think, is why there is no other subscription levels for Softimage.
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: August-01-11 9:46 AM
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Silver Subscription for Softimage?
I'd like to know this too. If there isn't going to be a silver subscription then who can we write/complain to that can make a difference?
On 1 August 2011 14:34, Thomas Helzle <thomas...@gmail.com<mailto:thomas...@gmail.com>> wrote:
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by."
Douglas Adams
Since starting today the new price for (gold-) subscription is in
effect - can anybody from Autodesk comment on why there is no silver
subscription for Softimage?
We were told the price increase was about levelling XSI with the other
products.
If that is the case, why not go all the way and also offer silver support?
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Thomas Helzle
now that gold is much more expensive, I think it's time to offer a
silver subscription too.
Like Matt, I would like to know where I can effectively make that request.
Thanks and cheers and back to learning Blender ;-)
Thomas Helzle
Christopher Tedin
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Greg Zaal writes:
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>>paint directly onto the model in the viewport, <<
as well as a bunch of tips, faqs and things to remember to help you with any trouble you might have.
-Christopher Tedin
(Also waiting for a Silver Subscription)
-- Christopher Tedin
Thomas Helzle
I'm going through some of those tutorials right now - having a lot of
fun actually.
While many things are "missing" from Blender, a lot of other stuff
missing in XSI is available or under development ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahnq6m5jaA
Feels like 2.5 gave the whole community a big push forward...
It's a bit like Lightwave - many things are a bit ancient, but then
you stumble over a plugin like this:
http://dpont.pagesperso-orange.fr/plugins/Verdure/DP_Verdure.html
Free and featuring an absolutely brilliant concept for custom trees...
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Gene Crucean
Gene Crucean - VFX & CG Supervisor / Generalist / iOS-OSX Developer
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Thomas Helzle
Does it "Blend"?
Yes, it does ;-)
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Steven Caron
Christian Gotzinger
Matt Morris
Thomas Helzle
well, so far all people from Autodesk seem to be either as puzzled as
the user or doing their best to avoid the issue somehow. Graham said
he escalated it internally and there may or may not come something out
of it... :-(
So I guess it depends on everybodys feeling towards the issue - there
is no "too early" IMO, only a "too late".
I suspect many people will only find out about the price change when
their subscription is running out the next time...
So count me in.
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Rob Chapman
Nancy Jacobs
Graham Bell
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=16593902
From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Jacobs
Sent: 02 August 2011 16:41
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Silver Subscription for Softimage?
Shhhh... They might hear you!
I agree the as yet unofficially unannounced 1/3 price hike seems to be a blatant grab for more revenue without any fundamental change in what we have already, but not unexpected considering its pretty much in a monopoly situation, if there was any kind of competition would they still do this? I don't think so, the nearest is Houdini and thats still more expensive than SI for the full package, but think about their predication - how are AD going to split Gold/Silver Softimage by offering a difference? take some access to 'the area' away? ha ha ha we would all go silver then !
Thanks Matt,
well, so far all people from Autodesk seem to be either as puzzled as
the user or doing their best to avoid the issue somehow. Graham said
he escalated it internally and there may or may not come something out
of it... :-(
So I guess it depends on everybodys feeling towards the issue - there
is no "too early" IMO, only a "too late".
I suspect many people will only find out about the price change when
their subscription is running out the next time...
So count me in.
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
> I kind of feel like the issue is getting sidetracked here!
> Are there any plans for Autodesk to address the lack of silver subscription
> at Siggraph?
> How would people feel about a petition being set up - too early? I can't
> believe there hasn't been any official statement by Autodesk on this price
> 'alignment'.
>
>
> On 2 August 2011 09:43, Christian Gotzinger <cgo...@googlemail.com<mailto:cgo...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am not an expert on clouds, so my view on this is probably too
>> simplified. But I don't really see the difference (neither in speed nor
>> render result) between this and spawning a few particle spheres + using a
>> preset for the particle renderer.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Gene Crucean
>> <emailgene...@gmail.com<mailto:emailgene...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And here's a quick one I just whipped up in literally a few
>>> seconds: http://www.vimeo.com/27159221
>>> I'm not trying to stir any pots. I just think it's healthy to talk
>>> about competition.
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
Sajjad Amjad
Just by looking at my resellers website it seems that Softimage is
only available with two options:
1. Without subscription
2. With Gold subscription
There doesn't seem to be an option for regular subscription or
Platinum subscription.
Interestingly, the Autodesk(AD) website asks users to refer to their
local resellers for more info regarding subscription; the local
reseller lists the purchase options and an AD PDF as their 'more
info'. This PDF refers back to the AD website for more info. An ad
absurdum loop of 'more info'?
Stuck in a loop,
Sajjad
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"Consistency is the last resort of the unimaginative" - O. Wilde
Sajjad Amjad
You are probably correct that those don't apply to all products. I'll
just email the resellers and ask if they offer or plan to offer
regular subscription for Softimage.
Cheers,
Sajjad
Sajjad Amjad
Coming back to where this thread started. Are you aware if/when the
other subscription options will be made available to Softimage
customers? Ideally I would like to downgrade to Silver for my personal
license and perhaps recommend a Platinum subscription for the company
to get the ADN fee waiver :-)
Cheers,
Sajjad
Luc-Eric Rousseau
Sajjad Amjad
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Thomas Helzle
Nobody is responsible for anything.
Nobody can say anything definite.
Nobody knows why things are like they are.
I was never a big fan of the old Softimage company either, but at
least you could usually find somebody with a say in a certain matter
if you were insisting.
All the AD resellers I ever met don't give a used hanky about what
customers may want or need as long as they get their share - and they
don't have much of a say anyway. They are a redundant intermediate
stage - I could just buy my software or subscription from any webshop
without any real difference. But it's a nice way to prevent
competition.
One of the german Resellers is even trying to sell me his own
"12-month-support" on top of the gold subscription.
250.- Euro a year for stuff that's basically already part of gold...
It always comes down to "The Corporation": Each individual may be the
nicest person on earth, but as an employee of a big corporation, they
are non-entities, argue in circles without any real meat (they don't
have a say anyway and are bound by big fat NDAs I guess) and even
argue about stuff that is simply retarded if you happen to live in the
real world.
So back to the original question: What can be done about silver subscription?
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Vladimir Jankijevic
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Sajjad Amjad
Thanks for that, it's good to know that the seed has been planted
Cheers,
Sajjad
ThierryBaret
thread started, mentioning a rise in price for XSI subscription.
Well, according to him there wasn't any changes in price at the time, it was
back on the 11th of July.
And the price was supposed to be 615?.
Let's see what it's really going to be when I've got to renew it.
But true, it's really annoying not having prices written down for good on
Autodesk website and instead have to find things out through comments from
other users.
Thierry
Tim Leydecker
you may like to give www.weltenbauer.com in Wiesbaden a try.
They have been very helpful to me in the past and are
willing to check for the best options, be it license
upgrades, crossgrades or promotions offers.
Cheers,
tim
Gerbrand Nel
we've been ripped off all along here in South Africa, and now that the
new price was announced, the re-sellers were forced to rip us off less?
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Maurice Patel
Well let us just say that the petition has been heard and we are looking into the request.
It had been assumed that there would be no demand for silver. After integration we kept some of the more unique high-touch aspects of the Softimage support model that made it valuable to customers rather than simply blend it into the Max/Maya support model. Softimage has its own dedicated support team and if you have contacted support you know how good they are :). So Softimage has a rather different support model to 3ds Max and Maya. That kind of a service is much more akin to something like Autodesk's GOLD offering though not exactly the same.
Just to let you know that the people who are responsible for Softimage are aware of the questions being raised on this thread and are taking them seriously.
Maurice Patel
Industry Marketing Manager, Autodesk Media and Entertainment
Len Krenzler
updates, I never use support. The Silver option would make it more
practical for me to keep up to date. - Len
Christopher Tedin
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Christopher Tedin
Thomas Helzle
I guess everybody would be happy to stay on gold, but if the price
goes up to 146% as it did now with no alternatives and no explanation,
then support may be as good as it may be, it's just too much (and I'm
sure many people like me don't really use support much anyway).
But let me set this straight: This is NOT originally a request for
silver subscription, but for keeping reasonable prices.
If the price goes up like that on gold, many people prefer silver
support over dropping subscription altogether.
So just for the record: it is NOT the case that users demand silver
support out of their ignorance on the qualities of XSI support.
But Autodesk forced a massive price increase on us Europeans out of
thin air and the request for silver support is the alternative that
most people see as more probable happening than Autodesk dropping the
price back to what it was - which would be what most people would
prefer, I assure you.
And let me tell you what I would REALLY like: Going back to a
reasonable priced update-model where everybody can decide himself when
to update. And buying support as one needs it.
This is what works very well for me with all other software I use and
allows the user to vote with his wallet if he thinks a certain update
or direction makes sense for him - or not.
I hate subscription with all my heart, especially the Autodesk -
holding a smoking gun to your head - version of it. No questions
there.
So I don't want an AD representative to run around later telling
people they "demanded" silver subscription and how bad that is and how
ignorant they all are and that it's their own fault...
Cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Darren Macpherson
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Matt Morris
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John Richard Sanchez
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www.johnrichardsanchez.com
John Richard Sanchez
Thomas Helzle
Any news on this?
Graham, did the escalation reveal any new information on the price
change or the possibility of unified subscription options?
Cheers,
Thomas
Olivier Jeannel
Found this http://vimeo.com/23636472
Way cool and impressive, I mean the 2D getting in the hardbodies and
collision stuff...
Graham Bell
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From: softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Helzle
Sent: 17 August 2011 09:05
To: soft...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Silver Subscription for Softimage?
Gene Crucean
Gene Crucean - VFX & CG Supervisor / Generalist / iOS-OSX Developer
www.genecrucean.com
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Thomas Helzle
Thanks and cheers,
Thomas Helzle
Thomas Helzle
http://www.si-community.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1623&start=80
Looks like no Silver Subscription for XSI is coming...
Carpe Diem,
Thomas