How to put Ice_Tree topology op. above to Modeling stack

[Vahan Sosoyan]

By the way I want to put my Ice Tree topology op. above to modeling stack ( Shape modeling ) ??? Any way to put it ontop ?

The reason is to build a symmetry modifier like in 3dsmax!

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[Stefan Kubicek]

Hi Vahan,

there seems to be a limitation that prevents topology ops from working above the modeling stack.
The whole topic has been discussed a bit more in detail in the PreserveUV thread one or two days ago on this list,
check out http://groups.google.com/group/xsi_list/browse_thread/thread/7323d45ee1753674/260d610be64d61e2?q=preserveUV&lnk=nl&

> By the way I want to put my Ice Tree topology op. above to modeling stack (
> Shape modeling ) ??? Any way to put it ontop ?
>
> The reason is to build a symmetry modifier like in 3dsmax!
>

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[Vahan Sosoyan]

Thanks Stefan, 

I'm absolutely agree with guys and hope Softimage dev team follow up this threads and they will improve Softimage's op. stacks flexiblities in the future ))

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Stefan Kubicek <s...@tidbit-images.com> wrote:

Hi Vahan,

there seems to be a limitation that prevents topology ops from working above the modeling stack.
The whole topic has been discussed a bit more in detail in the PreserveUV thread one or two days ago on this list,
check out http://groups.google.com/group/xsi_list/browse_thread/thread/7323d45ee1753674/260d610be64d61e2?q=preserveUV&lnk=nl&

By the way I want to put my Ice Tree topology op. above to modeling stack (
Shape modeling ) ??? Any way to put it ontop ?

The reason is to build a symmetry modifier like in 3dsmax!

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[Ed Schiffer]

sometimes I wonder if it wouldn`t be nice to have one "Post Modeling Stack" to keep these modeling operators on top of others...

[piotrek marczak]

+100

[Eric Turman]

That would be brilliant

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Ed Schiffer <edsch...@gmail.com> wrote:

sometimes I wonder if it wouldn`t be nice to have one "Post Modeling Stack" to keep these modeling operators on top of others...

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[Thomas Le Calvé]

Or maybe just custom topo markers or folders ?

thomas Le Calvé

2011/7/8 Eric Turman <i.ani...@gmail.com>

[Eugen Sares]

+ 1000

Freedom for those poor topo ops...!

About construction modes:
How about making the number of markers in the stack unlimited, starting
with one?
Add/place new markers wherever you like, and choose one to define the
stack location of the next operator.

Never fancied this 4-marker-approach too much. It's a concession to the
classic character rig/stack, which of course was/is the focus.
What about other scenarios, like parametric models which are possible with
ICE Modelling now?

Compared to Maya, the operator stack appears almost like a black box, or,
better, a industrial secret (patents involved?).
Although it's at the core of Softimage, I hope that doesn't mean there
can't any improvements be made ever again.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:55:15 +0200, piotrek marczak <orig...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Eric Turman]

Compared to maya at least softimage's construction history works...I had to work on a Maya rig project recently (still feel dirty) and while we could re-order operators, if you tried to do so too much or put too much in, the whole thing came crashing down. For the life of me, I really can't understand why such horrible software (maya) it is still so popular.

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[Alan Fregtman]

Sometimes I think instead of advertising the flashy features like ICE
and Lagoa demos, they ought to put out a video showing the mundane
everyday things we Softies take for granted (like multiple
construction history stacks) that make Soft so awesome, flexible and
(generally) non-destructive.

[Eugen Sares]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:07:45 +0200, Eric Turman <i.ani...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Compared to maya at least softimage's construction history works...I had
> to
> work on a Maya rig project recently (still feel dirty) and while we could
> re-order operators, if you tried to do so too much or put too much in,
> the
> whole thing came crashing down. For the life of me, I really can't
> understand why such horrible software (maya) it is still so popular.

Anyone know:
how does Houdini holding here? Can you bring it down as easy doing funny
op connections?

[Ahmidou Lyazidi]

Amen to that :)

2011/7/8 Eric Turman <i.ani...@gmail.com>

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[Stefan Kubicek]

Don't get me started! I tried to get rid of non-deformer history (the equivalent to "Freeze Modeling" in Soft)
on a character of which I had deleted polygons after having applied the soft skin operator -> Instant crash, this has happened in
older versions of Maya and in other projects I had the "pleasure" of working on with Maya too, hence the huge amount of skin weight saving/reloading scripts and tools that exist in the wild.
In contrast, the same procedure in Softimage is a piece of cake.

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[Jens Lindgren]

+10 000 to more Modeling stacks, preferably one just above the Modeling stack and one above the Post-Simulation stack.

 

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