pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that have been announced?
> Will it affect Softimage or is it just CAD products?
yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back, but
have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this is a
fantastic thing to happen.
I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.
what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
> is a fantastic thing to happen.
> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
> August.
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
> it just CAD products?
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just
> $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
>> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
>> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just
> $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
>> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
>> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and > softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling > for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the > industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions >> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny >> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this >> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and > softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling > for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the > industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions >> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny >> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this >> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
> for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>> You know,
>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
>> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
>> industry, small.
>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just
>> $%#@ed up.
>> -eric
>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
>>> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
>>> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>> August.
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
> for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
> for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:00 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
all bets are on.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and > softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling > for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the > industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions >> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny >> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this >> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>> August.
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>> <pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>> it just CAD products?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
> a little fairy told me today...
> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
> the cost of new licenses.
> all bets are on.
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> It's a North American price change.
> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>[mailto:
> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: price increases?
> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
> europe and 20% in japan.
> (sorry, couldn't resist)
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
> on the order of 5%, I believe.
> I don't have the actual prices atm.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> What are the new prices for new licenses?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> Subscription prices do not change.
> Price changes apply to new licenses.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
> On Behalf Of David
> Gallagher
> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: price increases?
> What are the new subscription prices?
> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>> You know,
>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
>> for
>> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
>> industry, small.
>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>> -eric
>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Nevermind - I found it here:
>>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>> August.
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>>> it just CAD products?
nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
From: Thomas Helzle Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-) Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
You know,
I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.
what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
-eric
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.
So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
August.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
it just CAD products?
The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an
official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.
I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I
guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is
really worth every penny, it used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
> "bets"?
> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
> effective.
> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
> extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
> reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
> Enjoy your stay ;-)
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> a little fairy told me today...
>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>> the cost of new licenses.
>> all bets are on.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> It's a North American price change.
>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>[mailto:
>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
>> europe and 20% in japan.
>> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
>> on the order of 5%, I believe.
>> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
>> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> What are the new prices for new licenses?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> Subscription prices do not change.
>> Price changes apply to new licenses.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>> On Behalf Of David
>> Gallagher
>> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>> What are the new subscription prices?
>> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>>> You know,
>>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
>>> for
>>> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
>>> industry, small.
>>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>>> -eric
>>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>>>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>>>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>>>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>>>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>>>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Nevermind - I found it here:
>>>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>>> August.
>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>>>> it just CAD products?
> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an
> official mail from my reseller a month ago.
> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised -
> I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is
> really worth every penny, it used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:
>> nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>> "bets"?
>> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
>> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
>> effective.
>> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
>> extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
>> reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
>> Enjoy your stay ;-)
>> Cheers,
>> Tom
>> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be> wrote:
>>> a little fairy told me today...
>>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>>> the cost of new licenses.
>>> all bets are on.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>> It's a North American price change.
>>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>>> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
>>> europe and 20% in japan.
>>> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be
>>> something
>>> on the order of 5%, I believe.
>>> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
>>> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>> What are the new prices for new licenses?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>> Subscription prices do not change.
>>> Price changes apply to new licenses.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of David
>>> Gallagher
>>> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
>>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>> What are the new subscription prices?
>>> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>>>> You know,
>>>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>>>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>>>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
>>>> for
>>>> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
>>>> industry, small.
>>>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>>>> -eric
>>>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>>>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>>>>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>>>>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>>>>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>>>>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>>>>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>>>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>>>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Nevermind - I found it here:
>>>>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>>>> August.
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>>>> <pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>>>> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
>>>>> it just CAD products?
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
+1
I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
This doesn t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the full pack?
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
> used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
> nope a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
> *From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
> *To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
> "bets"?
> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very effective.
> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let go of
> possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
> It's easily fixed with the:
> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
> Enjoy your stay ;-)
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
> a little fairy told me today...
> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
> all bets are on.
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> It's a North American price change.
> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com
> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: price increases?
> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
> europe and 20% in japan.
> (sorry, couldn't resist)
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
> on the order of 5%, I believe.
> I don't have the actual prices atm.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> What are the new prices for new licenses?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> Subscription prices do not change.
> Price changes apply to new licenses.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of David
> Gallagher
> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: price increases?
> What are the new subscription prices?
> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
> for
> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
> -eric
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
> is a fantastic thing to happen.
> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
> <pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com <mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>> wrote:
> Nevermind - I found it here:
> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
> August.
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
> <pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com <mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>> wrote:
> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
> have been announced? Will it affect Softimage or is
> it just CAD products?
I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs
due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going
up even more?!
I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a
worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being
squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any
> word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
> subscription.
> +1
> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
> one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
> It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
> my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
> dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
> If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
> and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
> which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
> I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
> This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
> I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell
> the full pack?
> Cheers,
> tim
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
>> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any
>> word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
>> subscription.
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:
>> thomashel...@gmail.com**>> wrote:
>> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in
>> an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
>> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
>> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
>> surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And
>> Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
>> used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
>> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
>> Cheers,
>> Tom
>> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>
>> wrote:
>> nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>> *From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com**>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
>> *To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.**com<softim...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:
>> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
>> "bets"?
>> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
>> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can
>> be very effective.
>> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed
>> to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
>> reluctant to let go of
>> possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>> It's easily fixed with the:
>> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
>> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is
>> guaranteed.
>> Enjoy your stay ;-)
>> Cheers,
>> Tom
>> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:
>> pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
>> a little fairy told me today...
>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>> the cost of new licenses.
>> all bets are on.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__**com <mailto:
>> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> It's a North American price change.
>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the
>> world.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__a**utodesk.com<http://autodesk.com><mailto:
>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__li**stproc.autodesk.com<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
>> <mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>]
>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
>> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__**com <mailto:
>> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll
>> see 10 % in
>> europe and 20% in japan.
>> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__**com <mailto:
>> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will
>> be something
>> on the order of 5%, I believe.
>> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__li**stproc.autodesk.com<http://listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:
>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>]
>> On Behalf Of David
>> Gallagher
>> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__**com <mailto:
>> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com <softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>> What are the new subscription prices?
>> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>> You know,
>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit
>> about 3d and
>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it
>> was selling
>> for
>> 400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get
>> into the
>> industry, small.
>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just
>> $%#@ed up.
>> -eric
>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or
>> 7 versions
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price
>> (which funny
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not
>> that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to
>> explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>> <pgriswold@__fusiondigitalprod**uctions.com<http://fusiondigitalproductions.com><mailto:
>> pgriswold@**fusiondigitalproductions.com<pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com>>>
>> wrote:
"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!"
You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy (typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!
I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de<mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
+1
I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the full pack?
Cheers,
tim
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com> <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.
I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
nope - a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
*To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let go of
possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
Enjoy your stay ;-)
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com<http://autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.co m<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com<http://autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.co m<http://listproc.autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com<http://autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.co m<http://listproc.autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com<http://autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.co m<http://listproc.autodesk.com> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To:
To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!"
You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy (typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!
I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de> wrote:
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
+1
I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the full pack?
Cheers,
tim
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.
I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
nope - a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
*To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let go of
possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
Enjoy your stay ;-)
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
You know,
I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to get into
> To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, > and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, > more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay > for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested > stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for > you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And > that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.
> *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of > *Williams, Wayne
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
> *To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* RE: price increases?
> "I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my > subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the > prices going up even more?!"
> You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it > does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough > people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or > hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for > the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a > sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the > demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums > so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off > much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which > makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is > when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer > base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product > for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more > than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, > this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being > made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is > something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things > which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine > what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external > factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy > (typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, > tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient > one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
> I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my > subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the > prices going up even more?!
> I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price > policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a > worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being > squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
> On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de > <mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard > any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like > subscription.
> +1
> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
> one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
> It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
> my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
> dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
> If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
> and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
> which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
> I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
> This doesn�t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
> I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even > sell the full pack?
> Cheers,
> tim
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard
> any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally
> like subscription.
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle
> <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got
> that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
> surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if".
> And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
> used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
> nope -- a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
> "bets"?
> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions
> they can be very effective.
> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are
> needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have
> become a bit reluctant to let go of
> possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
> It's easily fixed with the:
> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash,
> is guaranteed.
> Enjoy your stay ;-)
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
> a little fairy told me today...
> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase
> on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at
> about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
> all bets are on.
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com>
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> It's a North American price change.
> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest
> of the world.
Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for four years, and I was working with modo for a while. It's quite different, but it might be a good direction. Of course it's just my opinion, my bosses will make the decision, but looking at the facts, if the price increase is that large, we probably wouldn't renew our subscription. It's not a fair way to pay for bugfixes. It's like you buy a car, but wheel is working in the opposite direction.. You have to pay an additional fee for fixing the wheel? C'mon. Luxology seems to be delivering service packs addressing the issues
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
"...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
Which one ? ...just curious.
Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a écrit :
To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?
"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!"
You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy (typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?
I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even more?!
I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de> wrote:
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
+1
I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the full pack?
Cheers,
tim
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.
I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
nope - a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
*To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let go of
possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
Enjoy your stay ;-)
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?
I'm an ex LW user as well :) Honestly I can't see myself going back, although I admit I have no idea what LW is offering nowadays...
Is there something close to Ice in Modo ?
> Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for four > years, and I was working with modo for a while. It's quite different, > but it might be a good direction. Of course it's just my opinion, my > bosses will make the decision, but looking at the facts, if the price > increase is that large, we probably wouldn't renew our subscription. > It's not a fair way to pay for bugfixes. It's like you buy a car, but > wheel is working in the opposite direction.. You have to pay an > additional fee for fixing the wheel? C'mon. Luxology seems to be > delivering service packs addressing the issues
> "...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
> Which one ? ...just curious.
> Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a �crit :
> To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, > and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, > more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay > for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested > stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for > you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And > that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.
> *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of > *Williams, Wayne
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
> *To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> *Subject:* RE: price increases?
> "I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my > subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the > prices going up even more?!"
> You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it > does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough > people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or > hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for > the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a > sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the > demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums > so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off > much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which > makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is > when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer > base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product > for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more > than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually, > this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being > made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is > something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things > which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine > what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external > factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy > (typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, > tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient > one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
> I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my > subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the > prices going up even more?!
> I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price > policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a > worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being > squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
> On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de > <mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard > any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like > subscription.
> +1
> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
> one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
> It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
> my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
> dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
> If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
> and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
> which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
> I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
> This doesn�t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
> I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even > sell the full pack?
> Cheers,
> tim
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard
> any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally
> like subscription.
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle
> <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got
> that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
> surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if".
> And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
> used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
> nope -- a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
> "bets"?
> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions
> they can be very effective.
> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are
> needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have
> become a bit reluctant to let go of
> possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
> It's easily fixed with the:
> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash,
> is guaranteed.
> Enjoy your stay ;-)
> Cheers,
> Tom
> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
> a little fairy told me today...
> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase
> on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at
> about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
> all bets are on.
> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com>
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
> Subject: RE: price increases?
> It's a North American price change.
> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest
> of the world.
> I'm an ex LW user as well :) Honestly I can't see myself going back, > although I admit I have no idea what LW is offering nowadays...
> Is there something close to Ice in Modo ?
> Le 18/06/2012 16:11, Szabolcs Matefy a �crit :
>> Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for >> four years, and I was working with modo for a while. It's quite >> different, but it might be a good direction. Of course it's just my >> opinion, my bosses will make the decision, but looking at the facts, >> if the price increase is that large, we probably wouldn't renew our >> subscription. It's not a fair way to pay for bugfixes. It's like you >> buy a car, but wheel is working in the opposite direction.. You have >> to pay an additional fee for fixing the wheel? C'mon. Luxology seems >> to be delivering service packs addressing the issues
>> "...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
>> Which one ? ...just curious.
>> Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a �crit :
>> To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk >> products, and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to >> cheaper, more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I >> should pay for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering >> useless, untested stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at >> support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk >> policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, >> it's sure.
>> *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com >> <mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> >> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Williams, Wayne
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
>> *To:* softim...@listproc.autodesk.com >> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: price increases?
>> "I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my >> subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the >> prices going up even more?!"
>> You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it >> does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough >> people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or >> hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for >> the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a >> sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the >> demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums >> so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off >> much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which >> makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is >> when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer >> base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of >> product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that >> does more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. >> Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and >> services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this >> price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. >> It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps >> producers to determine what is the right price for their product. >> Non-market based external factors aside (government's injecting >> themselves into the economy (typically due to lobbying from a weaker >> competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this >> process is the most efficient one our species has observed to date >> for the allocation of resources.
>> I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my >> subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the >> prices going up even more?!
>> I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE >> price policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're >> in a worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be >> being squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
>> On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <bauero...@gmx.de >> <mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:
>> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
>> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard >> any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like >> subscription.
>> +1
>> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
>> one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
>> It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
>> my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
>> dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
>> If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
>> and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription >> fees,
>> which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
>> I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
>> This doesn�t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong >> message.
>> I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even >> sell the full pack?
>> Cheers,
>> tim
>> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
>> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't
>> heard any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I
>> personally like subscription.
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle
>> <thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got
>> that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
>> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
>> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
>> surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if".
>> And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
>> used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
>> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
>> Cheers,
>> Tom
>> On 14 June 2012 20:57, <pete...@skynet.be
>> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
>> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
>> nope -- a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>> "bets"?
>> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
>> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions
>> they can be very effective.
>> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they
>> are needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might
>> have become a bit reluctant to let go of
>> possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>> It's easily fixed with the:
>> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
>> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash,
>> is guaranteed.
>> Enjoy your stay ;-)
>> Cheers,
>> Tom
>> On 14 June 2012 19:59, <pete...@skynet.be
>> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be
>> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:
>> a little fairy told me today...
>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase
>> on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at
>> about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
>> all bets are on.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>> To: softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com
>> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.__com>
>> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com
>> <mailto:softim...@listproc.autodesk.com>>
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>> It's a North American price change.
>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the
>> rest of the world.
