2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote control parts working with their parts.
We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can we transmit IR through this material?
4. It seems like the proposal for the central controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. Also Edward knows more detail on this.
5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both days)
we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you mentioned,
there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your last
> chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are doing as
> we need to work closely with them to get the remote control parts working
> with their parts.
> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit as a LOT
> of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated into the work of *
> **ALL*** the other teams!
> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the field
> with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can we transmit IR
> through this material?
> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central controller/communications is
> going ahead - again see the wiki. Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but it is
> really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise (including when/if
> you need me this week) and deliver!
> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
> control parts working with their parts.
> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
> field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
> we transmit IR through this material?
> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-) However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-) I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time. >> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both >> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you >> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
>> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your >> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are >> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote >> control parts working with their parts.
>> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit >> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated >> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the >> field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can >> we transmit IR through this material?
>> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central >> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. >> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but >> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise >> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
but much better for teamwork.
I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
> > Thanks Spencer,
> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
> > control parts working with their parts.
> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
> > we transmit IR through this material?
> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> > 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
> > it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
> > (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
Ok, will try this these days. Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my permission ;-) But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>________________________________ > From: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com> >To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >Cc: Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:00 PM >Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning but much better for teamwork.
>I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-) >>However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-) >>I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>>~Lutz
>>>________________________________ >>> From: Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com> >>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>Cc: swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM >>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in >>>the xinchejian github group
>>>> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time. >>>> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both >>>> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you >>>> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
>>>> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your >>>> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>>>> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are >>>> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote >>>> control parts working with their parts.
>>>> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit >>>> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated >>>> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>>>> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the >>>>
field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>>>> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central >>>> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. >>>> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>>>> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but >>>> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise >>>> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great
yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all 4
receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to
warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to
receive it at about 30cm.
2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the
receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, will try this these days.
> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code
> since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my
> permission ;-)
> But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
> but much better for teamwork.
> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
> maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
> Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
> > Thanks Spencer,
> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
> > control parts working with their parts.
> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
> > we transmit IR through this material?
> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> > 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
> > it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
> > (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve your setup to take the next step.
>________________________________ > From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >Cc: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:56 AM >Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>Hi guys,
>I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
>1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
>2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>Regards >Edward
>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Ok, will try this these days. >>Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my permission ;-) >>But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning but much better for teamwork.
>>>I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>>>Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>>>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-) >>>>However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-) >>>>I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>>>>~Lutz
>>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com> >>>>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>>>Cc: swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in >>>>>the xinchejian github group
>>>>>> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time. >>>>>> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both >>>>>> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you >>>>>> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
>>>>>> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your >>>>>> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>>>>>> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are >>>>>> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote >>>>>> control parts working with their parts.
>>>>>> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit >>>>>> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated >>>>>> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>>>>>> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the >>>>>>
field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>>>>>> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central >>>>>> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. >>>>>> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>>>>>> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but >>>>>> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise >>>>>> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a device
> which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an
> Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably
> the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power
> it with others than an used 9V battery.
> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve
> your setup to take the next step.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Hi guys,
> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great
> yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all
> 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to
> warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to
> receive it at about 30cm.
> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the
> receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, will try this these days.
> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code
> since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my
> permission ;-)
> But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
> but much better for teamwork.
> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
> maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
> Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
> > Thanks Spencer,
> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
> > control parts working with their parts.
> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
> > we transmit IR through this material?
> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> > 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
> > it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
> > (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
>________________________________ > From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >Cc: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:39 AM >Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a good protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between different beacons.
>A power supply what you need it is...
>Regards >Edward
>On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
>>I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve your setup to take the next step.
>>~Lutz
>>>________________________________ >>> From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>Cc: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:56 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>Hi guys,
>>>I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
>>>1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
>>>2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>>>Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>>>Regards >>>Edward
>>>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Ok, will try this these days. >>>>Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my permission ;-) >>>>But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning but much better for teamwork.
>>>>>I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>>>>>Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>>>>>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-) >>>>>>However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-) >>>>>>I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>>>>>>~Lutz
>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>Cc: swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>>>let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in >>>>>>>the xinchejian github group
>>>>>>>> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time. >>>>>>>> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both >>>>>>>> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you >>>>>>>> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
>>>>>>>> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your >>>>>>>> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>>>>>>>> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are >>>>>>>> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote >>>>>>>> control parts working with their parts.
>>>>>>>> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit >>>>>>>> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated >>>>>>>> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>>>>>>>> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the >>>>>>>>
field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>>>>>>>> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central >>>>>>>> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. >>>>>>>> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>>>>>>>> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but >>>>>>>> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise >>>>>>>> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we have
enough bandwidth left for that.
We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However, we do
have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from the beacon.
So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors can
pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find the
direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance between
the beacon and the robot.
The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same beacon
signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the one i
> bought last weekend :-(
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a good protocol
> to allow it to interpret the difference between different beacons.
> A power supply what you need it is...
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a device
> which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an
> Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably
> the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power
> it with others than an used 9V battery.
> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve
> your setup to take the next step.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Hi guys,
> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great
> yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all
> 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to
> warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to
> receive it at about 30cm.
> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the
> receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, will try this these days.
> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code
> since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my
> permission ;-)
> But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
> but much better for teamwork.
> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
> maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
> Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
> code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
> > Thanks Spencer,
> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
> > control parts working with their parts.
> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
> > we transmit IR through this material?
> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
> > 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
> > it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
> > (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we
> have enough bandwidth left for that.
> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
> integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However,
> we do have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from
> the beacon.
> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
> intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors
> can pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find
> the direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance
> between the beacon and the robot.
> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same
> beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the
> one i bought last weekend :-(
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks,
> ideas, example code
> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a
> good protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between
> different beacons.
> A power supply what you need it is...
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do
> not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The
> setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my
> TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the
> voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I
> could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we
> can improve your setup to take the next step.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team -
> Tasks, ideas, example code
> Hi guys,
> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight,
> doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal
> some problems:
> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up
> the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions
> are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper
> over the small remote control to allow only one
> receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects
> enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal
> at a distance of 3~4meters.
> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz
> <lumi3...@yahoo.com <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Ok, will try this these days.
> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always
> aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing
> me when the machine is doing something without my
> permission ;-)
> But you are right, some improvements could be done
> in my code design.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control
> team - Tasks, ideas, example code
> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a
> bit painful at the beginning but much better
> for teamwork.
> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot
> code (for example) and maintain it there... I
> had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB
> key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz
> <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ
> group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running
> smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if
> we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams
> <nihaop...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nihaop...@gmail.com>>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:xinchejian@googlegroups.com>
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com
> <mailto:swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>;
> 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sachsenpo...@gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote
> control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a
> github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气
> 势 wrote:
> > Thanks Spencer,
> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as
> soon as we find the time.
> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have
> time please join on one or both
> > days) we need to nail down how to
> merge the teams more or less. As you
> > mentioned, there is a demand to
> share all the information with each team.
>________________________________ > From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >To: Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> >Cc: "xinchejian@googlegroups.com" <xinchejian@googlegroups.com>; Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:45 PM >Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we have enough bandwidth left for that.
>We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However, we do have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from the beacon.
>So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5 intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors can pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find the direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance between the beacon and the robot.
>The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
>Regards >Edward
>On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the one i bought last weekend :-(
>>~Lutz
>>>________________________________ >>> From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>Cc: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:39 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a good protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between different beacons.
>>>A power supply what you need it is...
>>>Regards >>>Edward
>>>On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
>>>>I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve your setup to take the next step.
>>>>~Lutz
>>>>>________________________________ >>>>> From: hao jiang <edwar...@gmail.com> >>>>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>>>Cc: Ricky Ng-Adam <rnga...@gmail.com>; Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>; "swarmrob...@xinchejian.com" <swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:56 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>Hi guys,
>>>>>I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
>>>>>1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
>>>>>2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>>>>>Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>>>>>Regards >>>>>Edward
>>>>>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Ok, will try this these days. >>>>>>Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my permission ;-) >>>>>>But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>>>Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning but much better for teamwork.
>>>>>>>I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>>>>>>>Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>>>>>>>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-) >>>>>>>>However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-) >>>>>>>>I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>>>>>>>>~Lutz
>>>>>>>>>________________________________ >>>>>>>>> From: Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>To: xinchejian@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>Cc: swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
>>>>>>>>>let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in >>>>>>>>>the xinchejian github group
>>>>>>>>>> yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time. >>>>>>>>>> Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both >>>>>>>>>> days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you >>>>>>>>>> mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each team.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your >>>>>>>>>> last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are >>>>>>>>>> doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote >>>>>>>>>> control parts working with their parts.
>>>>>>>>>> We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit >>>>>>>>>> as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated >>>>>>>>>> into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>>>>>>>>>> This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the >>>>>>>>>>
field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>>>>>>>>>> 4. It seems like the proposal for the central >>>>>>>>>> controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki. >>>>>>>>>> Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but >>>>>>>>>> it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise >>>>>>>>>> (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
We can't change the carrier frequency which is 38k... we can increase
baudrate, which essentially decrease number of carrier wave per bit, which
increase the error rate, which is as good as dropping the intensity maybe,
i think you are right, i'll certainly try different baudrate tonight!
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if you increase the speed the intensity will drop, hence more bandwidth
> On Wed May 16 14:45:17 2012, hao jiang wrote:
>> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we
>> have enough bandwidth left for that.
>> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
>> integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However,
>> we do have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from
>> the beacon.
>> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
>> intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors
>> can pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find
>> the direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance
>> between the beacon and the robot.
>> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same
>> beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the
>> one i bought last weekend :-(
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks,
>> ideas, example code
>> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a
>> good protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between
>> different beacons.
>> A power supply what you need it is...
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do
>> not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The
>> setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my
>> TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the
>> voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I
>> could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
>> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we
>> can improve your setup to take the next step.
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team -
>> Tasks, ideas, example code
>> Hi guys,
>> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight,
>> doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal
>> some problems:
>> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up
>> the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions
>> are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper
>> over the small remote control to allow only one
>> receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
>> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects
>> enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal
>> at a distance of 3~4meters.
>> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz
>> <lumi3...@yahoo.com <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> Ok, will try this these days.
>> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always
>> aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing
>> me when the machine is doing something without my
>> permission ;-)
>> But you are right, some improvements could be done
>> in my code design.
>> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a
>> bit painful at the beginning but much better
>> for teamwork.
>> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot
>> code (for example) and maintain it there... I
>> had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB
>> key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz
>> <lumi3...@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> I got one and I am also in the XCJ
>> group...i guess ;-)
>> However, I never got the system running
>> smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
>> I will install it again on my machine if
>> we're going to use it more often.
I'm not sure about your current circuit, but your first transmitter I
saw was driving the LED very very hard, probably get 10-15 plus meters
range, so there would certainly be room to reduce the strength!
In addition to your idea suggest it is most likely that you can reduce
or even remove the extra transmit signals if the ENTIRE transmit -
receive system is tested and calibrated in:
- the actual field, with the actual paint
- and especially any cover OVER the field as seems to be shown on the
proposal (ie more chance of reflections)
- and once again, against the ACTUAL shopping centre lighting conditions
I actually have a test PCB for changing the base & collector resistors
via jumpers - I made it because I thought that breadboards might (do?)
interfere with the relatively high current pulses (1-4+A) that can be sent!
btw - in emails sent after the one below - changing the BAUD rate might
help, but it is MUCH easier and more precise to control the the
transmitter LED current!
> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we
> have enough bandwidth left for that.
> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
> integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However,
> we do have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from
> the beacon.
> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
> intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors
> can pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find
> the direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance
> between the beacon and the robot.
> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same
> beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the
> one i bought last weekend :-(
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks,
> ideas, example code
> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a
> good protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between
> different beacons.
> A power supply what you need it is...
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do
> not have a device which is measuring frequencies. The
> setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work for my
> TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably the
> voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I
> could not power it with others than an used 9V battery.
> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we
> can improve your setup to take the next step.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team -
> Tasks, ideas, example code
> Hi guys,
> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight,
> doesn't work too great yet, but good enough to reveal
> some problems:
> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up
> the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing all directions
> are all picking up the signal, I need to warp a paper
> over the small remote control to allow only one
> receiver to receive it at about 30cm.
> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects
> enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the signal
> at a distance of 3~4meters.
> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz
> <lumi3...@yahoo.com <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Ok, will try this these days.
> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always
> aprecciated when I write code since it's confusing
> me when the machine is doing something without my
> permission ;-)
> But you are right, some improvements could be done
> in my code design.
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control
> team - Tasks, ideas, example code
> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a
> bit painful at the beginning but much better
> for teamwork.
> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot
> code (for example) and maintain it there... I
> had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB
> key in Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz
> <lumi3...@yahoo.com
> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> I got one and I am also in the XCJ
> group...i guess ;-)
> However, I never got the system running
> smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
> I will install it again on my machine if
> we're going to use it more often.
> ~Lutz
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Paul Adams
> <nihaop...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nihaop...@gmail.com>>
> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:xinchejian@googlegroups.com>
> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com
> <mailto:swarmrob...@xinchejian.com>;
> ɭ <sachsenpo...@gmail.com
> <mailto:sachsenpo...@gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote
> control team - Tasks, ideas, example code
> let myself or ricky know if you have a
> github account and are not in
> the xinchejian github group
I didn't use my own LED signal generator this time, i used one small IR
remote control i got from lutz instead, didn't get a chance to build one
myself, which we may need to make tonight.
I totally agree we should have a trip down to the mall and do some on site
measurement.
Nice article you've written on the IR circuit, really detailed
documentation. The circuit you saw me used the other day was actually
driven by a Mosfet 2n7000, way more powerful than any transistor /
darlington, basically it is hard switch on / off with little resistance,
currently is only controlled by the current limiting resistor. But I need
to switch back to a transistor for a better linear power control or else
i'll have to design a feedback circuit.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, ourstuff888 <ourstuff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Edward
> I like your idea.
> I'm not sure about your current circuit, but your first transmitter I saw
> was driving the LED very very hard, probably get 10-15 plus meters range,
> so there would certainly be room to reduce the strength!
> In addition to your idea suggest it is most likely that you can reduce or
> even remove the extra transmit signals if the ENTIRE transmit - receive
> system is tested and calibrated in:
> - the actual field, with the actual paint
> - and especially any cover OVER the field as seems to be shown on the
> proposal (ie more chance of reflections)
> - and once again, against the ACTUAL shopping centre lighting
> conditions
> I actually have a test PCB for changing the base & collector resistors via
> jumpers - I made it because I thought that breadboards might (do?)
> interfere with the relatively high current pulses (1-4+A) that can be sent!
> Attached is my circuit and a link to the forum where I discussing testing.
> I can drop of this test board if you need it.
> btw - in emails sent after the one below - changing the BAUD rate might
> help, but it is MUCH easier and more precise to control the the transmitter
> LED current!
> On 16/05/12 14:45, hao jiang wrote:
> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we
> have enough bandwidth left for that.
> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
> integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However, we do
> have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from the beacon.
> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
> intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors can
> pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find the
> direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance between
> the beacon and the robot.
> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same
> beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the one i
>> bought last weekend :-(
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
>> code
>> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a good
>> protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between different beacons.
>> A power supply what you need it is...
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a
>> device which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an
>> Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably
>> the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power
>> it with others than an used 9V battery.
>> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve
>> your setup to take the next step.
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
>> code
>> Hi guys,
>> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too
>> great yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
>> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal,
>> all 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need
>> to warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to
>> receive it at about 30cm.
>> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow the
>> receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ok, will try this these days.
>> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code
>> since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my
>> permission ;-)
>> But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
>> code
>> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
>> but much better for teamwork.
>> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
>> maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
>> Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
>> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
>> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more often.
>> ~Lutz
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
>> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas, example
>> code
>> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
>> the xinchejian github group
>> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
>> > Thanks Spencer,
>> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
>> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
>> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
>> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each
>> team.
>> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
>> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
>> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
>> > control parts working with their parts.
>> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
>> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
>> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
>> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>> > we transmit IR through this material?
>> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
>> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
>> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
>> > 5. I can probably make it to one or maybe two more sessions, but
>> > it is really up to ALL OF YOU ON THE REMOTE TEAM to organise
>> > (including when/if you need me this week) and deliver!
> I didn't use my own LED signal generator this time, i used one small
> IR remote control i got from lutz instead, didn't get a chance to
> build one myself, which we may need to make tonight.
> I totally agree we should have a trip down to the mall and do some on
> site measurement.
> Nice article you've written on the IR circuit, really detailed
> documentation. The circuit you saw me used the other day was actually
> driven by a Mosfet 2n7000, way more powerful than any transistor /
> darlington, basically it is hard switch on / off with little
> resistance, currently is only controlled by the current limiting
> resistor. But I need to switch back to a transistor for a better
> linear power control or else i'll have to design a feedback circuit.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, ourstuff888 <ourstuff...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ourstuff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Edward
> I like your idea.
> I'm not sure about your current circuit, but your first
> transmitter I saw was driving the LED very very hard, probably get
> 10-15 plus meters range, so there would certainly be room to
> reduce the strength!
> In addition to your idea suggest it is most likely that you can
> reduce or even remove the extra transmit signals if the ENTIRE
> transmit - receive system is tested and calibrated in:
> - the actual field, with the actual paint
> - and especially any cover OVER the field as seems to be shown on
> the proposal (ie more chance of reflections)
> - and once again, against the ACTUAL shopping centre lighting
> conditions
> I actually have a test PCB for changing the base & collector
> resistors via jumpers - I made it because I thought that
> breadboards might (do?) interfere with the relatively high current
> pulses (1-4+A) that can be sent!
> btw - in emails sent after the one below - changing the BAUD rate
> might help, but it is MUCH easier and more precise to control the
> the transmitter LED current!
> On 16/05/12 14:45, hao jiang wrote:
>> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure
>> if we have enough bandwidth left for that.
>> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as
>> the integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal.
>> However, we do have control over the intensity of light we are
>> sending out from the beacon.
>> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal
>> (3~5 intensity levels) and there should be one level which not
>> all sensors can pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of
>> this info to find the direction of beacon. And we also can figure
>> out the rough distance between the beacon and the robot.
>> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the
>> same beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup
>> the one i bought last weekend :-(
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks,
>> ideas, example code
>> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon
>> with a good protocol to allow it to interpret the
>> difference between different beacons.
>> A power supply what you need it is...
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> Well, i was not that successful last night because I
>> do not have a device which is measuring frequencies.
>> The setup with an IR receiver and an Arduino did work
>> for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon.
>> Probably the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in
>> my setup but I could not power it with others than an
>> used 9V battery.
>> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see
>> if we can improve your setup to take the next step.
>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team
>> - Tasks, ideas, example code
>> Hi guys,
>> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker
>> tonight, doesn't work too great yet, but good
>> enough to reveal some problems:
>> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at
>> picking up the IR signal, all 4 receiver facing
>> all directions are all picking up the signal, I
>> need to warp a paper over the small remote
>> control to allow only one receiver to receive it
>> at about 30cm.
>> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects
>> enough IR to allow the receiver to pick up the
>> signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz
>> <lumi3...@yahoo.com <mailto:lumi3...@yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> Ok, will try this these days.
>> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always
>> aprecciated when I write code since it's
>> confusing me when the machine is doing
>> something without my permission ;-)
>> But you are right, some improvements could be
>> done in my code design.
> Swarm robots may only need 10mA if the LEDs are similar for the smaller
> range and less reflections!
> On 16/05/12 15:57, hao jiang wrote:
> I didn't use my own LED signal generator this time, i used one small IR
> remote control i got from lutz instead, didn't get a chance to build one
> myself, which we may need to make tonight.
> I totally agree we should have a trip down to the mall and do some on
> site measurement.
> Nice article you've written on the IR circuit, really detailed
> documentation. The circuit you saw me used the other day was actually
> driven by a Mosfet 2n7000, way more powerful than any transistor /
> darlington, basically it is hard switch on / off with little resistance,
> currently is only controlled by the current limiting resistor. But I need
> to switch back to a transistor for a better linear power control or else
> i'll have to design a feedback circuit.
> Regards
> Edward
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, ourstuff888 <ourstuff...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Edward
>> I like your idea.
>> I'm not sure about your current circuit, but your first transmitter I saw
>> was driving the LED very very hard, probably get 10-15 plus meters range,
>> so there would certainly be room to reduce the strength!
>> In addition to your idea suggest it is most likely that you can reduce or
>> even remove the extra transmit signals if the ENTIRE transmit - receive
>> system is tested and calibrated in:
>> - the actual field, with the actual paint
>> - and especially any cover OVER the field as seems to be shown on the
>> proposal (ie more chance of reflections)
>> - and once again, against the ACTUAL shopping centre lighting
>> conditions
>> I actually have a test PCB for changing the base & collector resistors
>> via jumpers - I made it because I thought that breadboards might (do?)
>> interfere with the relatively high current pulses (1-4+A) that can be sent!
>> Attached is my circuit and a link to the forum where I discussing
>> testing. I can drop of this test board if you need it.
>> btw - in emails sent after the one below - changing the BAUD rate might
>> help, but it is MUCH easier and more precise to control the the transmitter
>> LED current!
>> On 16/05/12 14:45, hao jiang wrote:
>> I have an idea about how to counter the reflection, but not sure if we
>> have enough bandwidth left for that.
>> We cannot measure the signal strength from the receiver side as the
>> integrated receiver amplify the IR signal to digital signal. However, we do
>> have control over the intensity of light we are sending out from the beacon.
>> So what we can do is sending increasingly stronger beacon signal (3~5
>> intensity levels) and there should be one level which not all sensors can
>> pick up the signal, so the robot can make use of this info to find the
>> direction of beacon. And we also can figure out the rough distance between
>> the beacon and the robot.
>> The downside is we will have to transfer multiple times of the same
>> beacon signal which takes up valuable bandwidth.
>> Regards
>> Edward
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Power supply, yes that's it. Did not get the chance to setup the one i
>>> bought last weekend :-(
>>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas,
>>> example code
>>> Sure, let's hack it out tonight. I need a good beacon with a good
>>> protocol to allow it to interpret the difference between different beacons.
>>> A power supply what you need it is...
>>> Regards
>>> Edward
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Well, i was not that successful last night because I do not have a
>>> device which is measuring frequencies. The setup with an IR receiver and an
>>> Arduino did work for my TV remote but not for the selfmade beacon. Probably
>>> the voltage have to be stabilized to 9V in my setup but I could not power
>>> it with others than an used 9V battery.
>>> I got the breadboard in my bag for tonight, lets see if we can improve
>>> your setup to take the next step.
>>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas,
>>> example code
>>> Hi guys,
>>> I've manged to do a very simple IR seeker tonight, doesn't work too
>>> great yet, but good enough to reveal some problems:
>>> 1. The IR receiver modules are very good at picking up the IR signal,
>>> all 4 receiver facing all directions are all picking up the signal, I need
>>> to warp a paper over the small remote control to allow only one receiver to
>>> receive it at about 30cm.
>>> 2. Everything reflects IR, ricky's face reflects enough IR to allow
>>> the receiver to pick up the signal at a distance of 3~4meters.
>>> Let's discuss the details tomorrow.
>>> Regards
>>> Edward
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, will try this these days.
>>> Haha, got it! Auto-format is not always aprecciated when I write code
>>> since it's confusing me when the machine is doing something without my
>>> permission ;-)
>>> But you are right, some improvements could be done in my code design.
>>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas,
>>> example code
>>> Please do! Ask for help if you need. It's a bit painful at the beginning
>>> but much better for teamwork.
>>> I'd really like if we could put the insectbot code (for example) and
>>> maintain it there... I had to clean up the code from a copy on a USB key in
>>> Beijing and it was not fun ;-).
>>> Pro-tip Lutz: in Arduino IDE, CTRL-A, CTRL-T ;-)
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lutz <lumi3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I got one and I am also in the XCJ group...i guess ;-)
>>> However, I never got the system running smoothly, so I abandoned it ;-)
>>> I will install it again on my machine if we're going to use it more
>>> often.
>>> ~Lutz
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Paul Adams <nihaop...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* xinchejian@googlegroups.com
>>> *Cc:* swarmrob...@xinchejian.com; 萨克森气势 <sachsenpo...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:21 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Swarm robot - Remote control team - Tasks, ideas,
>>> example code
>>> let myself or ricky know if you have a github account and are not in
>>> the xinchejian github group
>>> On Tue May 15 12:37:14 2012, 萨克森气势 wrote:
>>> > Thanks Spencer,
>>> > yes I/we will update the Wiki as soon as we find the time.
>>> > Wednesday and Thursday (if you have time please join on one or both
>>> > days) we need to nail down how to merge the teams more or less. As you
>>> > mentioned, there is a demand to share all the information with each
>>> team.
>>> > 2. As you all know I am leaving the country, so this week is your
>>> > last chance to get me face to face, after that it is web only!
>>> > 3. Please also keep a close eye on what ALL the other teams are
>>> > doing as we need to work closely with them to get the remote
>>> > control parts working with their parts.
>>> > We really need to take care to know which team is doing what bit
>>> > as a LOT of what the Remote team is doing has to be integrated
>>> > into the work of ***ALL*** the other teams!
>>> > This even includes the design team - for example if they COVER the
>>> > field with some material as seems to be in the proposal, then can
>>> > we transmit IR through this material?
>>> > 4. It seems like the proposal for the central
>>> > controller/communications is going ahead - again see the wiki.
>>> > Also Edward knows more detail on this.
