PROBLEM: htmlgend seems to be stalling on startup.
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Bald_Noggin
Nov 2, 2009, 5:45:10 PM11/2/09
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Firstly, Hello to all.
I seem to be having a small issue with htmlgend when it starts up or
the server is rebooted.
My setup consists of the following:
LaCrosse WS-2308 with serial to USB converter (ftdi-sio which is
working fine)
NSLU-2 flashed with slugOS 4.8 (le) with 80G hdd.
wview, version 4.0.1 (binary package installed with "ipkg install
wview-ws2300-mysql")
radlib version 2.7.5 as per the binary install for this OS version and
required for wview 4.0.1
Pasted below is a copy of "/var/log/messages"
Nov 2 22:31:24 (none) cron.info /usr/sbin/cron[979]: (CRON) STARTUP
(fork ok)
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.info radmrouted[996]: <1257201086790> :
radlib: radmrouted started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.warn radmrouted[996]: <1257201086796> :
started on radlib system 1, workdir /var/wview
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.info radmrouted[996]: <1257201086799> :
running...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087941> :
radlib: wviewd started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087970> : wview
4.0.1 starting ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.warn wviewd[1000]: <1257201087977> :
station interface: serial ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087979> : Rain
Season Start Month set to 1
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087982> : Rain
Storm Start Trigger set to 0.05 in/hr
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087985> : Rain
Storm Stop Time set to 12 hours
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087987> : Rain
YTD preset set to 1.00 inches
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087989> : ET
YTD preset set to 1.000 inches
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087991> : rain/
ET YTD preset Year set to 2009
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087994> :
station polling interval set to 10 seconds
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088049> : --
Station Init Start --
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088098> :
WS-2300 on /dev/ttyUSB0 opened ...
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088210> :
station archive interval: 5 minutes
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wviewsqld[1004]: <1257201089053> :
radlib: wviewsqld started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.warn wviewsqld[1004]: <1257201089071> :
SQL archiving disabled in wview.conf - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089278> :
radlib: htmlgend started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201089292> :
running...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvalarmd[1009]: <1257201089348> : /
etc/wview/wvalarm.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvcwopd[1010]: <1257201089420> : /
etc/wview/wvcwop.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089439> : !!
configured for metric units/conversion !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089442> : !!
Rain units will be mm !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089448> :
generating to /media/sda1/website2/weather
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvhttpd[1011]: <1257201089532> : /
etc/wview/http.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089546> : !!
Dual units will be displayed !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wviewftpd[1012]: <1257201089600> : /
etc/wview/wviewftp.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wviewsshd[1013]: <1257201089674> : /
etc/wview/wviewssh.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wvpmond[1015]: <1257201089811> :
radlib: wvpmond started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:30 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201090250> :
running...
This is far as it goes.
Station Init does not show as having ended.
No image generation which one would expect to see.
I have seen in the change logs their was an issue with a "a boundary
loop" with in htmlgend but it is for a much later version (5.5.4).
Could it be the same problem?
Either way, does anyone have any ideas as to get this problem solved
I seem to be having a small issue with htmlgend when it starts up or
the server is rebooted.
My setup consists of the following:
LaCrosse WS-2308 with serial to USB converter (ftdi-sio which is
working fine)
NSLU-2 flashed with slugOS 4.8 (le) with 80G hdd.
wview, version 4.0.1 (binary package installed with "ipkg install
wview-ws2300-mysql")
radlib version 2.7.5 as per the binary install for this OS version and
required for wview 4.0.1
Pasted below is a copy of "/var/log/messages"
Nov 2 22:31:24 (none) cron.info /usr/sbin/cron[979]: (CRON) STARTUP
(fork ok)
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.info radmrouted[996]: <1257201086790> :
radlib: radmrouted started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.warn radmrouted[996]: <1257201086796> :
started on radlib system 1, workdir /var/wview
Nov 2 22:31:26 (none) user.info radmrouted[996]: <1257201086799> :
running...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087941> :
radlib: wviewd started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087970> : wview
4.0.1 starting ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.warn wviewd[1000]: <1257201087977> :
station interface: serial ...
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087979> : Rain
Season Start Month set to 1
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087982> : Rain
Storm Start Trigger set to 0.05 in/hr
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087985> : Rain
Storm Stop Time set to 12 hours
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087987> : Rain
YTD preset set to 1.00 inches
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087989> : ET
YTD preset set to 1.000 inches
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087991> : rain/
ET YTD preset Year set to 2009
Nov 2 22:31:27 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201087994> :
station polling interval set to 10 seconds
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088049> : --
Station Init Start --
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088098> :
WS-2300 on /dev/ttyUSB0 opened ...
Nov 2 22:31:28 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201088210> :
station archive interval: 5 minutes
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wviewsqld[1004]: <1257201089053> :
radlib: wviewsqld started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.warn wviewsqld[1004]: <1257201089071> :
SQL archiving disabled in wview.conf - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089278> :
radlib: htmlgend started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wviewd[1000]: <1257201089292> :
running...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvalarmd[1009]: <1257201089348> : /
etc/wview/wvalarm.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvcwopd[1010]: <1257201089420> : /
etc/wview/wvcwop.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089439> : !!
configured for metric units/conversion !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089442> : !!
Rain units will be mm !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089448> :
generating to /media/sda1/website2/weather
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wvhttpd[1011]: <1257201089532> : /
etc/wview/http.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201089546> : !!
Dual units will be displayed !!
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wviewftpd[1012]: <1257201089600> : /
etc/wview/wviewftp.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.alert wviewsshd[1013]: <1257201089674> : /
etc/wview/wviewssh.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 2 22:31:29 (none) user.info wvpmond[1015]: <1257201089811> :
radlib: wvpmond started as a daemon ...
Nov 2 22:31:30 (none) user.info htmlgend[1007]: <1257201090250> :
running...
This is far as it goes.
Station Init does not show as having ended.
No image generation which one would expect to see.
I have seen in the change logs their was an issue with a "a boundary
loop" with in htmlgend but it is for a much later version (5.5.4).
Could it be the same problem?
Either way, does anyone have any ideas as to get this problem solved
Bald_Noggin
Nov 4, 2009, 6:37:37 AM11/4/09
to wview
Bit of an update.
Thanks for looking!
Thinking that maybe wvpmond may be the problem too but I'm not really
to sure.
More info added to bottom of message.
Attached to radlib system 1: UP 0 years, 0 months, 0 days, 0 hours, 0
minutes, 9 seconds
Buffer Allocation by Size:
Dumping index 0: size 64: Free/Total 63/64
Dumping index 1: size 128: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 2: size 256: Free/Total 250/256
Dumping index 3: size 512: Free/Total 256/256
Dumping index 4: size 1024: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 5: size 2048: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 6: size 4096: Free/Total 64/64
Dumping index 7: size 8192: Free/Total 32/32
Buffer Summary:
Total Free: 1049
Total Allocated: 7
Total Allocations Since Started: 1059
Semaphore Info:
INDEX COUNT WAITERS ZCNT PID
0 0 0 0 0
1 0 0 0 0
2 1 0 0 2044
3 0 0 0 0
4 1 0 0 2041
5 0 0 0 0
6 0 0 0 0
7 0 0 0 0
8 0 0 0 0
9 0 0 0 0
10 0 0 0 0
11 0 0 0 0
12 0 0 0 0
13 0 0 0 0
14 0 0 0 0
15 0 0 0 0
raddebug[2044]: <1257334333637> : radlib: raddebug started ...
Dumping message router stats to the system log file...
Nov 4 11:32:04 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334324601> :
running...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325755> :
4.0.1 starting ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.warn wviewd[2026]: <1257334325795> :
station interface: serial ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325797> : Rain
YTD preset set to 0.00 inches
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325806> : ET
YTD preset set to 0.000 inches
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.warn wviewd[2026]: <1257334325808> : bad
rain/ET YTD Year given, disabling...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325810> :
station polling interval set to 15 seconds
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325866> : --
Station Init Start --
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325915> :
running...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wvalarmd[2035]: <1257334327052> : /
generating to /var/wview/img
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wvcwopd[2036]: <1257334327136> : /
running...
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.info raddebug[2044]: <1257334333637> :
radlib: raddebug started ...
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333687> :
---------- Message Router Totals: TX:0000000002 RX:0000000002
----------
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]:
<1257334333688> : Name ^I MSGS TX ^I MSGS RX ^I TXERRS
^I RXERRS
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333689> :
--------------^I----------^I----------^I----------^I----------
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333689> :
wviewd ^I 0^I 2^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
wvpmond ^I 1^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
htmlgend ^I 1^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
raddebug ^I 0^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333691> :
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? Ss 0:03 init [3]
2 ? RN 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
3 ? S< 0:00 [events/0]
4 ? S< 0:00 [khelper]
5 ? S< 0:00 [kthread]
38 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/0]
41 ? S< 0:00 [khubd]
56 ? S 0:00 [pdflush]
57 ? S 0:00 [pdflush]
58 ? S< 0:00 [kswapd0]
59 ? S< 0:00 [aio/0]
81 ? S 0:00 [mtdblockd]
82 ? S 0:00 [nftld]
167 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
168 ? S< 0:00 [usb-storage]
198 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald]
244 ? S<s 0:00 udevd --daemon
622 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald]
834 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages -m 20
836 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/klogd -n
922 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
936 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
941 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/sbin/cherokee -b -C /etc/cherokee/
cherokee.conf
995 ttyS0 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/getty 115200 ttyS0
996 ? Ss 0:04 sshd: root@pts/0
1000 pts/0 Ss 0:00 -sh
2022 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/radmrouted 1 /var/wview
2023 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/radmrouted 1 /var/wview
2026 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/wviewd
2027 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/wviewd
2033 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/htmlgend
2034 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/htmlgend
2041 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/wvpmond
2042 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/wvpmond
Thanks for looking!
Thinking that maybe wvpmond may be the problem too but I'm not really
to sure.
More info added to bottom of message.
minutes, 9 seconds
Buffer Allocation by Size:
Dumping index 0: size 64: Free/Total 63/64
Dumping index 1: size 128: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 2: size 256: Free/Total 250/256
Dumping index 3: size 512: Free/Total 256/256
Dumping index 4: size 1024: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 5: size 2048: Free/Total 128/128
Dumping index 6: size 4096: Free/Total 64/64
Dumping index 7: size 8192: Free/Total 32/32
Buffer Summary:
Total Free: 1049
Total Allocated: 7
Total Allocations Since Started: 1059
Semaphore Info:
INDEX COUNT WAITERS ZCNT PID
0 0 0 0 0
1 0 0 0 0
2 1 0 0 2044
3 0 0 0 0
4 1 0 0 2041
5 0 0 0 0
6 0 0 0 0
7 0 0 0 0
8 0 0 0 0
9 0 0 0 0
10 0 0 0 0
11 0 0 0 0
12 0 0 0 0
13 0 0 0 0
14 0 0 0 0
15 0 0 0 0
raddebug[2044]: <1257334333637> : radlib: raddebug started ...
Dumping message router stats to the system log file...
Nov 4 11:32:04 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334324601> :
started on radlib system 1, workdir /var/wview
Nov 4 11:32:04 (none) user.info radmrouted[2022]: <1257334324603> :
running...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325755> :
radlib: wviewd started as a daemon ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325788> : wview
4.0.1 starting ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.warn wviewd[2026]: <1257334325795> :
station interface: serial ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325797> : Rain
Season Start Month set to 1
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325799> : Rain
Storm Start Trigger set to 0.05 in/hr
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325802> : Rain
Storm Stop Time set to 12 hours
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325804> : Rain
YTD preset set to 0.00 inches
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325806> : ET
YTD preset set to 0.000 inches
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.warn wviewd[2026]: <1257334325808> : bad
rain/ET YTD Year given, disabling...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325810> :
station polling interval set to 15 seconds
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325866> : --
Station Init Start --
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325915> :
WS-2300 on /dev/ttyUSB0 opened ...
Nov 4 11:32:05 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334325941> :
station archive interval: 5 minutes
Nov 4 11:32:06 (none) user.info wviewsqld[2030]: <1257334326862> :
radlib: wviewsqld started as a daemon ...
Nov 4 11:32:06 (none) user.warn wviewsqld[2030]: <1257334326882> :
SQL archiving disabled in wview.conf - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:06 (none) user.info htmlgend[2033]: <1257334326981> :
radlib: htmlgend started as a daemon ...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.info wviewd[2026]: <1257334327018> :
running...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wvalarmd[2035]: <1257334327052> : /
etc/wview/wvalarm.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.info htmlgend[2033]: <1257334327088> :
generating to /var/wview/img
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wvcwopd[2036]: <1257334327136> : /
etc/wview/wvcwop.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wvhttpd[2037]: <1257334327275> : /
etc/wview/http.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wviewftpd[2038]: <1257334327336> : /
etc/wview/wviewftp.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.alert wviewsshd[2039]: <1257334327396> : /
etc/wview/wviewssh.conf does not exist - exiting...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.info wvpmond[2041]: <1257334327481> :
radlib: wvpmond started as a daemon ...
Nov 4 11:32:07 (none) user.info htmlgend[2033]: <1257334327774> :
running...
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.info raddebug[2044]: <1257334333637> :
radlib: raddebug started ...
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333687> :
---------- Message Router Totals: TX:0000000002 RX:0000000002
----------
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]:
<1257334333688> : Name ^I MSGS TX ^I MSGS RX ^I TXERRS
^I RXERRS
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333689> :
--------------^I----------^I----------^I----------^I----------
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333689> :
wviewd ^I 0^I 2^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
wvpmond ^I 1^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
htmlgend ^I 1^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333690> :
raddebug ^I 0^I 0^I 0^I 0
Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn radmrouted[2022]: <1257334333691> :
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? Ss 0:03 init [3]
2 ? RN 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
3 ? S< 0:00 [events/0]
4 ? S< 0:00 [khelper]
5 ? S< 0:00 [kthread]
38 ? S< 0:00 [kblockd/0]
41 ? S< 0:00 [khubd]
56 ? S 0:00 [pdflush]
57 ? S 0:00 [pdflush]
58 ? S< 0:00 [kswapd0]
59 ? S< 0:00 [aio/0]
81 ? S 0:00 [mtdblockd]
82 ? S 0:00 [nftld]
167 ? S< 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
168 ? S< 0:00 [usb-storage]
198 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald]
244 ? S<s 0:00 udevd --daemon
622 ? S< 0:00 [kjournald]
834 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages -m 20
836 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/klogd -n
922 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
936 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
941 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/sbin/cherokee -b -C /etc/cherokee/
cherokee.conf
995 ttyS0 Ss+ 0:00 /sbin/getty 115200 ttyS0
996 ? Ss 0:04 sshd: root@pts/0
1000 pts/0 Ss 0:00 -sh
2022 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/radmrouted 1 /var/wview
2023 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/radmrouted 1 /var/wview
2026 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/wviewd
2027 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/wviewd
2033 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/htmlgend
2034 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/htmlgend
2041 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/wvpmond
2042 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/wvpmond
Bald_Noggin
Nov 9, 2009, 3:13:11 AM11/9/09
to wview
It's working!!
It turns out that the USB <-> Serial converter had crapped itself.
(FTDI-SIO)
I bought a PL-2303 bases USB <-> Serial converter.
The old converter did work to start off with but gave up the ghost
after 1 day :(
I do have another question but I'll check the FAQ's first and then
post a question if need be.
Cheers,
Col.
> Nov 4 11:32:13 (none) user.warn...
>
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It turns out that the USB <-> Serial converter had crapped itself.
(FTDI-SIO)
I bought a PL-2303 bases USB <-> Serial converter.
The old converter did work to start off with but gave up the ghost
after 1 day :(
I do have another question but I'll check the FAQ's first and then
post a question if need be.
Cheers,
Col.
>
> read more »
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