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[Beth]

Paul Womack contacted me regarding his line. He descends from Green
Womack and his wife Dora Liticker on the 1850 Fayette Co., Il census.
I have sent Paul G. Womack an invitation to join us. If he responds
before I return home today, please admit him.

Green died 26 Nov 1862 Bingham, Fayette Co., IL


IL Fayette, no township listed, roll 106
Page 352B, House 241
39 Wormick Green F 26 M W Farmer 400 KY
40 Wormick Dora A 30 F W NC
41 Wormick William 6 M W IL <<<<<<<<
42 Wormick Jacob Sears 5 M W IL may be a Sears, not a Womack
1 Wormick Sarah A 3 F W IL
2 Wormick John P 1 M W IL ***

***John Paschal, b. 1850, m. 1st 1870 Naomi Arrabell Davis; 2nd 1873
Anna Crocker

Fayette Co, IL
1850 Census Identification

p.352B, h.241 - Francis Green/Greenberry (wife Anna Dora Liticker) -
Unknown

DNA Project:
Paul Womack
Line:
Paul Gordon Womack
Everette Glenn Womack father b. 1902
George Edgar Womack gfather b. 1871
William S. Womack g-gfather b. 1845
Francis Green (Greenberry?) Womack gg-gfather b. 1814?

Thanks!
Beth

[REB]

I have a theory on this Green Womack which should be investigated
further to see if it pans out.

There were two Litaker marriages in Montgomery Co, IL before 1850:

LITICKER, JOSEPH F CLARK, ELIZABETH
ANN 1840-03-31 1/ 69 439 MONTGOMERY
WOMACK, FRANCIS G LYTICKERS, ANNA
D 1844-04-04 2/ 15 630 MONTGOMERY

Also, Joseph F Litaker had land in Montgomery about 2 to 3 miles from
Green Womack's land:

LITICKER JOSEPH F SESW 10 08N 02W 3
11/12/1850 MONTGOMERY
LITICKER JOSEPH F W2SW 10 08N 02W 3
11/12/1850 MONTGOMERY
WOMACK GREEN NWSW 27 08N 02W 3
05/20/1836 MONTGOMERY

The Litakers were from Rowan and Cabarrus Cos, NC (I ran across them
several times while researching my Troutman line, some of which moved
to Montgomery Co, IL). I do not know exactly how Dora and Joseph fit
in to this family. The 1850 Census shows that Joseph (ancestry has
him as "I S Litiker") and Dora were both born in NC within a few years
of one another. They may have been siblings.

Joseph T Liticker was the only Litiker in the 1840 Census of
Montgomery Co, IL, on p.382, line 30. On the same page are these
Brown families: Daniel Brown (line 17), Harrison Brown (line 19),
Richard Brown (line 22), Hiram Brown (line 23), and John Brown (line
24). So John Brown was 6 lines before Joseph Litaker.

The Richard Brown in 1840 Montgomery Co, IL was Dr. Richard Brown who
was married to Sarah Womack (dau of Jesse Womack and Sarah Daniel).
They had moved to Montgomery Co, IL from Adair CO, KY, and before then
from Bedford Co, VA. Accorrding to LDS, Harrison, Hiram, and John
were their sons. I do not know about Daniel.

Anyhow, my theory is that Green Womack was related to Sarah Womack
Brown, and moved with them from Adair Co, KY to Montgomery Co, IL.
Need some more work to prove that Joseph Litaker was related to Dora
Litaker Womack, and that Green Womack was related to Sarah Womack
Brown. If Green was a grandson of Jesse Womack of Bedford Co, VA,
that would explain the DNA results for Paul, since Paul was part of
the Abraham Womack DNA haplotype - Jesse > William > William >
Abraham.

I could be wrong, and the proximity of Litakers to Browns in
Montgomery Co, IL could be coincidence. The problem is that Green was
born in KY, and the vast majority of Womacks in KY were descendants of
Abraham, so Paul could be from one of several families and still have
the Abraham Womack DNA haplotype.

[kitkat]

To the best of my knowledge both Joseph and Arba Liticker were born in
1817 thus perhaps they are twins. I have Anna Dora Liticker as born in
1820 as a sister. No solid proof but only what has been handed down.
I had run across this Sarah Womack who married a Brown, but could
never make a connection. The only other kin that I know that my
Francis Green had was a sister Elizabeth who married a Prater. When
she died, she left some money for FGW in a will and it is on file at
the court house in Fayette Co. IL. FGW 's son William S. Womack (my
g-grandfather) married a Sarah Shives, who lived to be 100. It was
spelled Wamack I think on their marriage license(certificate). Guess
someone thought the O looked like an A. Thanks REB for you theory!!
paul
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[REB]

In Adair Co, KY there are these two marriage records:

John McGary to Betsey Womack on 14 Jun 1822
Jonathan Gentry to Betsey McQuerry on 4 Jan 1827

Then in Montgomery Co, IL:
Alexander Prater to Elizabeth Gentry on 5 Feb 1838

A Prater genealogy I found on WorldConnect has Harmon Alexander Prater
married to Elizabeth Gentry, alias Womack.

Most entries on WorldConnect for Elizabeth Womack who married John
McQuarry have her as the daughter of William Womack and Rachel
Gilpin. I am not sure of the proof of this, and I somewhat doubt it.
I think that William may have had a brother in the same area. These
WorldConnect entries also have a Rachel Womack, dau of William Womack
and Rachel Gilpin, who married John Gentry. The marriage records show
that John Gentry married "Johanna Wormack".

Land entries in Fayette Co, IL show that Alexander Prater had land
adjacent to Green Womack. The 1850 Census of Fayette Co, IL shows
Elizabeth Prater, wife of Alexander, as 50, born in VA (probably
Bedford County). So, since Elizabeth was Green's sister, I think we
have your Green traced back to Adair Co, KY!

I will dig around some more.

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[Beth]

In Mar 2006 on WGN in a discussion regarding the Green Womacks in
Illinois, I noted (Francis) Green in Fayette Co., IL, and stated the
images of two possibilities for him in 1860 were very poor. At that
time I only had Heritage Quest. Take a look at the 1860 census and
note the dates, page #s, HH #s, and especially the children. Compare
the 1860 records to Green's in 1850. These have to be two different
families, but the similarity in the names is uncanny.

1850 Fayette Co., IL Roll 106
Page 352B, House 241
Wormick Green F 26 M W Farmer 400 KY d. 26 Nov 1862 Fayette Co., IL

Wormick Dora A 30 F W NC

Wormick William 6 M W IL

Wormick Jacob Sears 5 M W IL

Wormick Sarah A 3 F W IL

Wormick John P 1 M W IL

1860 Sharon, Fayette Co., IL page 169 (written by the enumerator)
HH 1127 dated 4 Aug 1860
Green Wallack 40 1820 IL The surname looks like Warmack to me.
Wm 15 1845 IL (his name was William S.)
Sarah A. 18 1842 IL
John 12 1848 IL
Jane 8 1852 IL

1860 Sharon, Fayette Co., IL page 169 (written by the enumerator)
HH 1129 dated 4 Aug 1860
Francis Granick 42 b. 1818 KY
M. S. 15 1845 IL female
Sarah A. 12 1848 IL
John P. 11 1849 IL
Mary J. 9 1851 IL

[Beth]

Hi Paul,

Do you have the date for Elizabeth Womack Prater's Will?

Beth

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[Beth]

Thanks, Robert! I never would have figured that one out!

1830
KY Adair, no township listed, roll 33
025 22 Wamack Jessee 2100 01 1000 1
026 4 Wamack Willm 000*1* 00001 0011 2
028 8 Womack Mary 0012 0000 001

Here's Francis Green with the asterisks, Paul!

I couldn't understand how FG Womack could own property in 1836 until I
re-examined the 1850 census for his age. He's 36, not 26 in 1850.

On the 1840 Montgomery Co., IL census Joseph T. Liticker is living 8
HHs from Richard Brown and Sarah Womack, dau., of Jesse Womack and
Sarah Daniels. Where's FG Womack?

The identity and info on some of these folks below are taken from the
research of others.

1850 Fayette Co., IL dated 15 Nov 1850
HH 238 married 1826 Bowling Green, Warren Co., KY
Paschal Isball (sic- ISBELL ) 41 KY b. 1807 Warren Co., KY
Clarissa Isball 40 VA dau. of Thomas Sears III and Frances Garrett
Eliza Isball 21 KY
George Isball 17 IL
William Isball 15 IL
Sarah Isball 13 IL
Clarissa Isball 10 IL
Paschal Isball 8 IL
Harriett Isball 6 IL
Jason Isball 4 IL
Lewis Isball 2 IL

HH 244
Tolbert Sears, age 35 OH son of Thomas Sears III & Frances Garrett
Susan Sears 40 KY Susan MNU Carlock m. 6 Jun 1850 Fayette Co.
Sarah A. Sears 7 IL Jacob Sears, age 5, b. IL fits right here, but
he's living w/FG
Harriett Sears 2 IL
Matilda Herlock 10 IL indexed as Herlock, but it's CARLOCK
Puss Herlock 8 IL female
John Herlock 6 IL
Warpie Herlock 2 IL female
John A. Herlock 1 IL

The Carlocks also came from Warren Co., KY.

HH 244
Frances Sears, age 75, b. KY Frances Garrett Sears, widow of Thomas
Catherine Sears, 40 KY

HH 245 Indexed on Ancestry as WARWICK
Green F. Warwick 36 KY m. 6 Jun 1844 Montgomery Co.
Dora A. Warwick 30 NC
William Warwick 6 IL
Jacob Sears 5 IL probably the son of Susan Unknown and Tolbert Sears
Sarah A. Warwick 3 IL
John P. Warwick 1 IL John Paschal Womack

HH 251
(Harmon) Alexander Prater 43 TN son of Holloway "Tennessee Holly"
Prater
Betsy Prater 50 VA Elizabeth Womack McQuarry Gentry Prater
Holiway Prater 22 IL son of Mary Sears
Asa Prater 20 IL son of Mary Sears
John Prater 17 IL son of Mary Sears

In 1840 HA Prater is 30-40 and spouse? is 40-50.

Harmon Alexander Prater, b. 1807 McMinville, Warren Co., TN, died 1852
Fayette Co., IL, m 1st 7 Dec 1820 or 1826 Bond Co., IL "Polly" (Mary)
Sears; m. 2nd 5 Feb 1838 Montgomery Co., IL Elizabeth Gentry. I
verfied these dates on Ancestry.

I don't know if the late Mary Sears Prater were the dau. of Thomas
Sears and Frances Garrett, but possibly. There were other Sears in
Fayette Co., IL.

On Aug 11, 11:27 pm, REB <robert.earl.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:

[REB]

I'll cover lots of topics, but I do not have my notes in front of me,
so I may mess up.

The Isbell family that moved with the Sears family from Warren Co, KY
was probably related to the Elliott Isbell and Temple Isbell who had
dealings with Allen Womack in Warren Co, KY. Allen was the grandson
of Thomas > Abraham > Abraham. However, I think this may be
coincidence.

If you look closely at FGW in the 1850 Census of Fayette Co, IL, he
was in the same house as Frances Sears. The enumerator listed two
families in the same house. I missed that detail when I first
abstracted the census.

Gentry family researchers have Robert Gentry and wife Julia Simpson as
parents of John W Gentry and Joshua Gentry who married respectively
Rachel Womack and Elizabeth McQuarry Womack. My marriage CD has John
Gentry to Johanna Womack, and Jonathan Gentry to Elizabeth McQuarry,
both marriages in Adair Co, KY. Robert Gentry was in Adair Co, KY in
1820, and in Madison Co, IL in 1830; then they moved to Carroll Co, MO
where Robert died. John W Gentry is also on the 1830 Census of
Madison Co, IL, and I assume the female in his HH was Rachel/Johanna
Womack Gentry. I cannot find Joshua/Jonathan Gentry, but I bet he
moved with his dad to IL and died there, and then his widow, Elizabeth
Womack McQuarry Gentry, went to Montgomery Co, IL near her aunt Sarah
Womack Brown. Madison Co is on the SW corner of Montgomery Co, and
Fayette Co is just east of Montgomery.

I won't go through all the Jesse Womack/Sarah Daniel family, except to
say that I have seen them in the tax records of Bedford Co, VA. They
are sometimes listed as Warmack. There was a Robert Warnick there as
well - the tax records are quite clear that he was a Warnick and not a
Womack or Warmack. He has sometimes been included in the family of
Jesse Womack and Sarah Daniel, but this is wrong. This Robert Warnick
had Warnick descendants in OH and later IL and IN.

In the early 1800s, much of this family moved to Adair Co, KY. I have
read they are in the tax lists, but I have not seen the tax lists
yet. The tax lists may list FGW once he turned 21, though he may left
before then or been listed under his father.

Anyhow, William Womack moved to Adair, along with his mother Sarah
(who had remarried a Mr Edwards), his brother Jesse Jr, and some
sisters, including Sarah Brown and some of the Folden family. An
early Adair deed shows Jesse Jr and wife Hannah (Blackledge) as having
moved to Mercer Co, KY. They later moved to Indiana, where Jesse Jr
and Hannah were still alive in 1850.

There are two "Womack" families in early Adair Co, KY censuses that
confuse me. Richard "Warmack" in 1810 was probably a Warnock. The
"Mary Womack" in 1830 is a complete mystery. This may have been one
of those rare cases where someone who was not a Womack somehow got
listed with that name.

By the way, when I abstracted all the census records, I missed Mary
Warmack (75, VA) in the 1850 Census of Adair Co, KY. I believe this
to be Mary Judd Womack, widow of William (his second wife). In
William's Rev War Pension file, Mary Warmack had an affadvit in 1850
that said she was "seventy " (space left like they were going to
write another number), and that William had died Apr 1847. Judd
researchers have her born circa 1775-1780. Odd that her first
marriage was after age 50.

These Judd researchers have her married to William Warnock, born 1752
in MD. I think this is due to a mistake in the 1835 Pensioners List,
that says William Warnock of Adair Co, KY fought in the MD Line (in
the Rev War). It should say William Womack in the VA line. William's
Rev War pension is clear that he fought in VA.

William's pension is on footnote.com. He is listed as William
Warmack, and name spelled that way mostly, though occassionally as
Womack. Unfortunately, he does not name his kids. The family of
William has been put together mostly based on proximity I believe -
all these kids married in Adair Co, KY.

In William's pension, he had an affadavit in Oct 1822, said he was
about 60, his wife Rachel was 44. Said he had 11 kids, two married
and 9 at home. Of the 9 at home, 8 were daughters. Of the 8
daughters, 4 were near grown and one of those 4 was "deranged", and
the other 4 were little.

So, in Oct 1822, the two married kids were Jesse (who had married
Delilah Blair) and Elizabeth (who had married John McQuarry). The one
son at home I believe was Francis Green Womack. Annette Womack
Carpenter's WorldConnect database has most of the daughters, but
missed two. It missed Mary, who in 1860 was listed as 59 and an
"idiot", living with brother Jesse Womack - she must be the one
William said was deranged. Also, Annete missed Eliza Womack, who in
1850 was 40, living with sister Appy Womack Denton Sullivan. Annette
was Appa or Appy listed as "Happy". Annette also has two sons for
William Womack that I do not agree with. She has John Womack married
to Elizabeth Cheatham, but my KY marriage CD shows that a John Rogers
married Elizabeth Cheatham in Adair that year - there may be some
confusion with Jesse's son John Womack who married Elivira Leach.
Annette also has a Richard Womack as the son of William, but no futher
info.

From the way William described his family, I think he had 9 daughters
and 2 sons. The marriage records of Adair show marriages for 7 of the
daughters, and 1 son - Jesse. Daughter Mary probably never married.
Maybe Eliza married after 1850. The son who did not marry in Adair
appears to be FGW.

The 1820 Census of Adair shows William with two other males the right
ages to be Jesse and FGW. The 1830 shows William with a male the
right age to be FGW.

I will order the tax lists of Adair soon to see if I can find FGW, but
given what we know about his sister Elizabeth, I am now pretty certain
he was the son of William Womack and Rachel Gilpin.

[REB]

Correction, Adair Co, KY marriage records show marriages for 6 of
William's daughters - Elizabeth, Johanna (or Rachel), Sarah, Appa,
Caroline, and Harriett. Those 6 plus Mary and Eliza make 8. So I am
missing the name of one of William's 9 daughters.

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[Sammers]

Robert or Anyone

"He has sometimes been included in the family of
Jesse Womack and Sarah Daniel,"

In reference to the above statement - Do you have who Sarah Daniel's
parents were?

I have Daniels as great grand parents as of 1650, first confirmed
date. Possibility Sarah's
parents tie in somewhere - I do have one Sarah I cannot place with a
husband...
Sam

[Sammers]

Ok
In reference to above post, I have it now -

Roger Daniel/spouse unknown
John Daniel/Elizabeth LNU
John Daniel/Mary Williams
John Daniel/Ann Bates
William Daniel/Elizabeth Watkins
Sarah Daniel/Jesse Womack [1]; Edward Hancock [2]

John and Ann Bates Womack are one set of my 8th great grandparents.
their son John and Anne Williams Womack were my 7th -

Sarah "Patsy" Daniel, daughter of John and Anne, and John Harrison,
are my 6th..

Anne Williams brother, John, married Mary Womack, daughter of
Thomas and Mary Farley Womack - and to top it all off, John and
Mary are also great grandparents in another line of mine!!