[Wikitech-l] Sep11 Wiki
Thomas Morton
seems the most likely..
For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam site -
this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and that
site has since been taken over.
Can someone fix this?
Tom
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K. Peachey
Brion Vibber
> Filed in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30261
>
This is an unfortunate consequence of pushing this site out of Wikimedia's
hosting in 2006; the offsite mirror apparently didn't get maintained. :(
From mailing list archives, it looks like the mirror site we redirected it
to (sep11memories.org) was hosted by Jeff Merkey. According to WHOIS info he
still owns the domain, but it expires on September 26.
Most likely Jeff moved other hosting around or something and it's just
pointing to some old host that's now a spamfarm; if he's available and
interested he may be able to set it back up or transfer the domain. (??)
If we need to set up a new mirror, a data dump is archived at
http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/detail?name=sep11wiki.7z (from
2007, after we closed the site but before we removed it from the data dumps,
as the DB was still present on the servers at least then).
-- brion
Platonides
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:42 PM, K. Peachey<p858...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Filed in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30261
>>
>
> This is an unfortunate consequence of pushing this site out of Wikimedia's
> hosting in 2006; the offsite mirror apparently didn't get maintained. :(
>
> From mailing list archives, it looks like the mirror site we redirected it
> to (sep11memories.org) was hosted by Jeff Merkey. According to WHOIS info he
> still owns the domain, but it expires on September 26.
It may get automatically renewed.
> Most likely Jeff moved other hosting around or something and it's just
> pointing to some old host that's now a spamfarm; if he's available and
> interested he may be able to set it back up or transfer the domain. (??)
The same problem (redirect to surveyfinddomain.com) happens with
wolfmountaingroup.com And all of the (good ones and the spammy we are
redirected to) are hosted in the same ip: 69.6.27.100, owned by the spam
company OptInRealBig.com [1].
Seems that Jeffrey lost access to wolfmountaingroup.com last June (the
current registration is from 2011/06/20) and the spammifying of that
site affected sep11memories.org through the alias.
Which means that we can no longer reach him through his
@wolfmountaingroup.com email.
1-
http://www.pcworld.com/article/112756/spam_slayer_doublespeak_in_the_spam_wars.html
Ryan Lane
<morton...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I am note sure who might be in a position to correct this, but this list
> seems the most likely..
>
> For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam site -
> this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
>
> I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and that
> site has since been taken over.
>
> Can someone fix this?
>
I was sitting next to Rob Halsell while I was reading this. I let him
know and he fixed it by removing the redirect.
- Ryan
Thomas Gries
site to which sep11.wikipedia.org was redirected.
1. Is someone of you visited that site ?
2. There was a javascript box or something similar showing up.
Has someone an indication, that the site installed bad things on
visitors' machines ?
Please keep me informed.
Tom
Thomas Morton
certainly have scammed your details though.
Tom
Brion Vibber
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Thomas Morton
> <morton...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I am note sure who might be in a position to correct this, but this list
> > seems the most likely..
> >
> > For some reason sep11.wikipedia.org subdomain is forwarding to a spam
> site -
> > this was pointed out on OTRS earlier.
> >
> > I assume this was set up as a redirect to the 9/11 memories Wiki, and
> that
> > site has since been taken over.
> >
> > Can someone fix this?
> >
>
> I was sitting next to Rob Halsell while I was reading this. I let him
> know and he fixed it by removing the redirect.
>
Redirect seems to be gone now, but it just shows the generic 'no wiki' page:
http://sep11.wikipedia.org/
"Welcome to Wikimedia
Unfortunately, this wiki does not exist yet, or it has been closed. You may
be looking for one of our other projects below. If you would like to request
that this wiki be created, see the requests for new
languages<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages>page
on Meta-Wiki."
So the site itself is probably no longer in our configurations; it either
needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will actually
stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at
its own domain?)
-- brion
Casey Brown
> (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at
> its own domain?)
Would it, though? I thought it was moved off Wikimedia's servers on
purpose, because it's not really something that we want to be hosting.
It's not really related to our mission and is a little USA-centric.
That's what I always thought was the reason it was moved off, at
least. You were probably around back then though, so you'd know
better. :-)
--
Casey Brown
Cbrown1023
Chad
> needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will actually
> stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves at
> its own domain?)
>
At the risk of sounding callous...do we even want the wiki anymore?
-Chad
Brion Vibber
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Brion Vibber <br...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > So the site itself is probably no longer in our configurations; it either
> > needs to be set back or replaced with a URL to a mirror that will
> actually
> > stay around. (It would make sense, I imagine, to just host it ourselves
> at
> > its own domain?)
> >
>
> At the risk of sounding callous...do we even want the wiki anymore?
>
It's fascinating cultural history (both of a country called "the USA" and -
more importantly to some here perhaps? - of Wikipedia's early years) -- if
we don't want it, well, I think that's a darn shame.
IIRC Erik Moeller was one of the drivers behind moving this tiny collection
of pages (much smaller than thousands of other things we host) offsite in
'06, and at the time even he seemed to agree that the pages had relevance
and should be preserved:
"I believe our own project history is important and deserves respect and
attention, even if we decide that a project is not within the scope of the
Wikimedia Foundation, and especially when dealing with a subject such as
this."
http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/peESw2iBig7YE4ZlyQ8x
A number of related pages on meta appear to still be around, should anybody
care to revisit these 5-year old discussions:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_entries_related_to_September_11_casualties
-- brion
Erik Moeller
> It's fascinating cultural history (both of a country called "the USA" and -
> more importantly to some here perhaps? - of Wikipedia's early years) -- if
> we don't want it, well, I think that's a darn shame.
>
> IIRC Erik Moeller was one of the drivers behind moving this tiny collection
> of pages (much smaller than thousands of other things we host) offsite in
> '06, and at the time even he seemed to agree that the pages had relevance
> and should be preserved:
For all your meta-history needs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/9/11_wiki_move_proposal
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive/September_11_Wiki
and related links.
Also:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023757.html
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023819.html ;-)
It's too bad (if not entirely surprising) that the external site is no
longer up; in the interest of preserving history I'd support archiving
a static HTML or read-only wiki (ideally with minimal skin) copy under
some subdirectory URL (dumps.wikimedia.org/whatever ). If we want to
do a nicer job at it, we might start making a bit of a space for these
collected pieces of wiki-history (Joseph Reagle's Wikipedia 10K Redux
derived from the first dumps would be another candidate:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/~reagle/wp-redux/ )
But, let's please not reactivate sep11.wikipedia.org as anything other
than a redirect to a different URL, to avoid confusion of
readers/visitors coming in through search engines (even if we run a
big banner explaining that it's archived for historical purposes, it's
still likely to be confusing to folks under that domain name).
It does look like the Internet Archive nabbed a full copy of it from
sep11memories.org (which had the final cleaned up version of the
wiki).
http://web.archive.org/web/20080807125041/http://www.sep11memories.org/
--
Erik Möller
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
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The Cunctator
permanently killing the project on the tenth anniversary of the attacks
would be a telling testament to both the lost opportunities of Wikipedia
itself and of human civilization, which did seem for a fleeting moment to
have a chance at a greater unity, dashed by either realpolitick or a mad
president, depending on how you view the world. Instead, the wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq trundle on, outlasting an effort of individual people
to celebrate the wonder and beauty that are the collective lives of an
essentially random and unremarkable collection of people, a reminder that
encyclopedias of the past, that focus only on the glories of the great,
don't truly tell the story of the world.
So it would be nice to figure out how to preserve the collection.
imho.
--tc
Casey Brown
> permanently killing the project
Who said anything about killing it?
Everyone's advocated for keeping it around. Erik's comment just
suggested that we redirect sep11.wikipedia.org to a
dumps.wikimedia.org address. The current situation is that the actual
wiki is down and inaccessible -- so this thread is mostly about saving
it.
--
Casey Brown
Cbrown1023
Jay Ashworth
> From: "The Cunctator" <cunc...@gmail.com>
> As the person who essentially built the September 11 wiki, I can say that
> permanently killing the project on the tenth anniversary of the attacks
> would be a telling testament to both the lost opportunities of Wikipedia
> itself and of human civilization
"."
+5
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Brion Vibber
> For all your meta-history needs:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/9/11_wiki_move_proposal
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive/September_11_Wiki
>
> and related links.
>
> Also:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023757.html
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023819.html;-)
>
Indeed -- as long as the data's accessible I'm content enough -
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023835.html:)
Since then though we've removed it from the data dumps, so it's no longer
possible for third parties to recover and host the pages (or do research on
them) unless they happen to find a copy, and our own redirect points to a
site that's down.
It's too bad (if not entirely surprising) that the external site is no
> longer up; in the interest of preserving history I'd support archiving
> a static HTML or read-only wiki (ideally with minimal skin) copy under
> some subdirectory URL (dumps.wikimedia.org/whatever ). If we want to
> do a nicer job at it, we might start making a bit of a space for these
> collected pieces of wiki-history (Joseph Reagle's Wikipedia 10K Redux
> derived from the first dumps would be another candidate:
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/~reagle/wp-redux/ )
>
*nod*
It's probably easier to set up a read-only wiki with similar configuration
to nostalgia.wikipedia.org and slurp in the last dump than it will be to get
static HTML dumping to work right.
This would also put the sep11 pages back into the downloadable data dumps,
always in whatever the current format is, which I think has a maintenance
benefit over making it a separate sui generis download that might get
forgotten/deleted in the future (or just fall out of date with format
changes).
But, let's please not reactivate sep11.wikipedia.org as anything other
> than a redirect to a different URL, to avoid confusion of
> readers/visitors coming in through search engines (even if we run a
> big banner explaining that it's archived for historical purposes, it's
> still likely to be confusing to folks under that domain name).
>
> It does look like the Internet Archive nabbed a full copy of it from
> sep11memories.org (which had the final cleaned up version of the
> wiki).
> http://web.archive.org/web/20080807125041/http://www.sep11memories.org/
>
As long as we keep it online and don't throw it away, I would very much
appreciate keeping it online in some form and keeping a redirect from the
old sep11.wikipedia.org URL.
If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least putting
in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days from
the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who
might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
-- brion
Erik Moeller
> If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least putting
> in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days from
> the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who
> might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
That's easy enough, filing a request.
--
Erik Möller
VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
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Brion Vibber
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Brion Vibber <br...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > If we can't get that organized immediately, I'd recommend at least
> putting
> > in a redirect to the Wayback Machine URL asap -- we're just a few days
> from
> > the 10th anniversary of the attacks, a very relevant time for people who
> > might want to link to and comment on the old pages.
>
> That's easy enough, filing a request.
>
Thanks! Ah, in the olden days we'd have logged in and done this ourselves...
and then probably gotten our changes accidentally overwritten by the next
admin. ;)
-- brion
Ariel T. Glenn
έγραψε:
<snip>
> Indeed -- as long as the data's accessible I'm content enough -
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-September/023835.html:)
>
> Since then though we've removed it from the data dumps, so it's no longer
> possible for third parties to recover and host the pages (or do research on
> them) unless they happen to find a copy, and our own redirect points to a
> site that's down.
Actually the dump is still there and available for download; the link
doesn't show up in the index list because it's no longer in the list of
live projects. However, interested parties can get it from here:
http://dumps.wikimedia.org/sep11wiki/
I have added a link to this from the front page of the download host.
Any other inactive wikis people are missing? We might have the dumps for
them lying around, even if old ones.
Ariel
Brion Vibber
-- brion