Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough,
but manageable.
Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with
Wikipublisher producing the print books.
I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at
WikiSym2009...
JR
On Dec 22, 12:13 pm, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or
> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New
> Zealand :-)
> Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough, > but manageable.
> Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
> Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
> I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at > WikiSym2009...
> JR
> On Dec 22, 12:13 pm, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi!
>> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New >> Zealand :-)
> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough, > but manageable.
Awesome!
> Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a headset. Take it for a spin here: http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An awesome FOSS project by the way)
> Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent versions.
> something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder: http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
Example use case:
Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date. Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect, please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your username is: xyz Your password is: abc
And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example, WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a spin here: http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
> I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at > WikiSym2009...
errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my radar as an important thing to address:-)
>> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New >> Zealand :-)
> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
A couple of comments on the use cases and wikipublisher.
Mail-outs. Individual letters are no problem. Mail-merge is not
currently supported, but there is a LaTeX mail-merge package which
works a treat. It should be possible to pass a wikibook xml letter
template and csv data file to wikipublisher and have it produce a pdf
containing a generated set of letters and envelopes. The trick would
be in how to write the letter template in the wiki in a way that can
be translated into a suitable LaTeX template for the mail-merge
package to work on.
Business cases. There would need to be a way to translate the
spreadsheet into something LaTeX can understand -- preferably a table,
but possibly an image. If you are going to support techniques like
Investment Logic Mapping, you will also need collaborative image
editing. Would you envisage using SVG for this? Currently,
wikipublisher doesn't support SVG, but is should be possible to use
Inkscape to convert SVG to PDF or EPS on the fly.
Contextual content. As far as wikipublisher is concerned, it simply
typesets a stream of wikibook xml and doesn't care how this was
generated, as long as it is valid wikibook xml. So if the originating
site can gather it, wikpublisher can print it.
Overall, the big question is how to teach the site to produce wikibook
xml. PressBooks is using xslt to transform html into wikibook xml. The
PmWiki plug-in tells the wiki engine how to produce wikibook,
replacing all the rules that normally turn wiki markup into html. So
to decide whether wikipublisher is a suitable engine for your
purposes, you'll need to work out the feasibility of teaching tiki to
produce wikibook xml.
JR
On 23 Dec, 21:24, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough,
> > but manageable.
> Awesome!
> > Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
> Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a
> headset. Take it for a spin here:http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An
> awesome FOSS project by the way)
> > Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
> Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am
> delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent
> versions.
> > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with
> > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
> Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up
> being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki
> which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called
> Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder:http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
> Example use case:
> Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to
> print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a
> member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date.
> Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your
> membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or
> with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect,
> please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your
> information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your
> username is: xyz Your password is: abc
> And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example,
> WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which
> gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a
> spin here:http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
> > I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at
> > WikiSym2009...
> errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website
> (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was
> nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like
> performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only
> recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my
> radar as an important thing to address:-)
> >> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or
> >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New
> >> Zealand :-)
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group.
> > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com.
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:56 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: > A couple of comments on the use cases and wikipublisher.
> Mail-outs. Individual letters are no problem. Mail-merge is not > currently supported, but there is a LaTeX mail-merge package which > works a treat. It should be possible to pass a wikibook xml letter > template and csv data file to wikipublisher and have it produce a pdf > containing a generated set of letters and envelopes. The trick would > be in how to write the letter template in the wiki in a way that can > be translated into a suitable LaTeX template for the mail-merge > package to work on.
I was thinking the mail-merge would actually be done in Tiki. We need this logic anyhow for newsletters. We would produce a wikibook XML for each letter.
> Business cases. There would need to be a way to translate the > spreadsheet into something LaTeX can understand -- preferably a table, > but possibly an image. If you are going to support techniques like > Investment Logic Mapping, you will also need collaborative image > editing. Would you envisage using SVG for this? Currently, > wikipublisher doesn't support SVG, but is should be possible to use > Inkscape to convert SVG to PDF or EPS on the fly.
For the spreadsheet, exporting to a table would be fine.
This permits collaborative drawing (not in realtime though, but with layers and versionning), and SVG-edit has a feature to export to .png, which we may need to tweak to export a higher-res for print
> Contextual content. As far as wikipublisher is concerned, it simply > typesets a stream of wikibook xml and doesn't care how this was > generated, as long as it is valid wikibook xml. So if the originating > site can gather it, wikpublisher can print it.
Understood. Is there a place to download some Wiki Book XML samples?
> Overall, the big question is how to teach the site to produce wikibook > xml. PressBooks is using xslt to transform html into wikibook xml. The > PmWiki plug-in tells the wiki engine how to produce wikibook, > replacing all the rules that normally turn wiki markup into html. So > to decide whether wikipublisher is a suitable engine for your > purposes, you'll need to work out the feasibility of teaching tiki to > produce wikibook xml.
That is pretty awesome. Tiki doesn't have that. Our parser for the wiki syntax (bold, italic, etc.) is... well... it's 9 years old and it grew organically, and could use a revamp. It's stable and most devs avoid touching it.
However, the bit for Wiki Plugins (they are built-in and optional with more advanced functionality, like macros http://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Plugin) has been revamped recently and although there are over 130, they are quite consistent.
On the medium term, we'll want to revamp the parser. But maybe in the short term, we can do the most common and simple ones within the current parser. https://dev.tiki.org/Wiki+Parser
> On 23 Dec, 21:24, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough, >> > but manageable.
>> Awesome!
>> > Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
>> Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a >> headset. Take it for a spin here:http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An >> awesome FOSS project by the way)
>> > Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
>> Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am >> delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent >> versions.
>> > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with >> > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
>> Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up >> being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki >> which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called >> Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder:http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
>> Example use case:
>> Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to >> print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a >> member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date. >> Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your >> membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or >> with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect, >> please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your >> information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your >> username is: xyz Your password is: abc
>> And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example, >> WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which >> gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a >> spin here:http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
>> > I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at >> > WikiSym2009...
>> errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website >> (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was >> nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like >> performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only >> recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my >> radar as an important thing to address:-)
>> >> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or >> >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New >> >> Zealand :-)
>> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:56 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A couple of comments on the use cases and wikipublisher.
> > Mail-outs. Individual letters are no problem. Mail-merge is not
> > currently supported, but there is a LaTeX mail-merge package which
> > works a treat. It should be possible to pass a wikibook xml letter
> > template and csv data file to wikipublisher and have it produce a pdf
> > containing a generated set of letters and envelopes. The trick would
> > be in how to write the letter template in the wiki in a way that can
> > be translated into a suitable LaTeX template for the mail-merge
> > package to work on.
> I was thinking the mail-merge would actually be done in Tiki. We need
> this logic anyhow for newsletters. We would produce a wikibook XML for
> each letter.
> > Business cases. There would need to be a way to translate the
> > spreadsheet into something LaTeX can understand -- preferably a table,
> > but possibly an image. If you are going to support techniques like
> > Investment Logic Mapping, you will also need collaborative image
> > editing. Would you envisage using SVG for this? Currently,
> > wikipublisher doesn't support SVG, but is should be possible to use
> > Inkscape to convert SVG to PDF or EPS on the fly.
> For the spreadsheet, exporting to a table would be fine.
> This permits collaborative drawing (not in realtime though, but with
> layers and versionning), and SVG-edit has a feature to export to .png,
> which we may need to tweak to export a higher-res for print
> > Contextual content. As far as wikipublisher is concerned, it simply
> > typesets a stream of wikibook xml and doesn't care how this was
> > generated, as long as it is valid wikibook xml. So if the originating
> > site can gather it, wikpublisher can print it.
> Understood. Is there a place to download some Wiki Book XML samples?
> > Overall, the big question is how to teach the site to produce wikibook
> > xml. PressBooks is using xslt to transform html into wikibook xml. The
> > PmWiki plug-in tells the wiki engine how to produce wikibook,
> > replacing all the rules that normally turn wiki markup into html. So
> > to decide whether wikipublisher is a suitable engine for your
> > purposes, you'll need to work out the feasibility of teaching tiki to
> > produce wikibook xml.
> That is pretty awesome. Tiki doesn't have that. Our parser for the
> wiki syntax (bold, italic, etc.) is... well... it's 9 years old and it
> grew organically, and could use a revamp. It's stable and most devs
> avoid touching it.
> However, the bit for Wiki Plugins (they are built-in and optional with
> more advanced functionality, like macroshttp://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Plugin) has been revamped recently and
> although there are over 130, they are quite consistent.
> On the medium term, we'll want to revamp the parser. But maybe in the
> short term, we can do the most common and simple ones within the
> current parser.https://dev.tiki.org/Wiki+Parser
> > On 23 Dec, 21:24, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough,
> >> > but manageable.
> >> Awesome!
> >> > Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
> >> Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a
> >> headset. Take it for a spin here:http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An
> >> awesome FOSS project by the way)
> >> > Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
> >> Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am
> >> delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent
> >> versions.
> >> > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with
> >> > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
> >> Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up
> >> being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki
> >> which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called
> >> Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder:http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
> >> Example use case:
> >> Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to
> >> print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a
> >> member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date.
> >> Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your
> >> membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or
> >> with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect,
> >> please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your
> >> information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your
> >> username is: xyz Your password is: abc
> >> Another use case is collaboratively-produced business cases. Data from
> >> Wiki and spreadsheet:http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+JQ
> >> And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example,
> >> WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which
> >> gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a
> >> spin here:http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
> >> > I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at
> >> > WikiSym2009...
> >> errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website
> >> (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was
> >> nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like
> >> performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only
> >> recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my
> >> radar as an important thing to address:-)
> >> >> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or
> >> >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New
> >> >> Zealand :-)
> >> > --
> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group.
> >> > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com.
> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
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>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:56 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > A couple of comments on the use cases and wikipublisher.
>> > Mail-outs. Individual letters are no problem. Mail-merge is not >> > currently supported, but there is a LaTeX mail-merge package which >> > works a treat. It should be possible to pass a wikibook xml letter >> > template and csv data file to wikipublisher and have it produce a pdf >> > containing a generated set of letters and envelopes. The trick would >> > be in how to write the letter template in the wiki in a way that can >> > be translated into a suitable LaTeX template for the mail-merge >> > package to work on.
>> I was thinking the mail-merge would actually be done in Tiki. We need >> this logic anyhow for newsletters. We would produce a wikibook XML for >> each letter.
>> > Business cases. There would need to be a way to translate the >> > spreadsheet into something LaTeX can understand -- preferably a table, >> > but possibly an image. If you are going to support techniques like >> > Investment Logic Mapping, you will also need collaborative image >> > editing. Would you envisage using SVG for this? Currently, >> > wikipublisher doesn't support SVG, but is should be possible to use >> > Inkscape to convert SVG to PDF or EPS on the fly.
>> For the spreadsheet, exporting to a table would be fine.
>> This permits collaborative drawing (not in realtime though, but with >> layers and versionning), and SVG-edit has a feature to export to .png, >> which we may need to tweak to export a higher-res for print
>> > Contextual content. As far as wikipublisher is concerned, it simply >> > typesets a stream of wikibook xml and doesn't care how this was >> > generated, as long as it is valid wikibook xml. So if the originating >> > site can gather it, wikpublisher can print it.
>> Understood. Is there a place to download some Wiki Book XML samples?
>> > Overall, the big question is how to teach the site to produce wikibook >> > xml. PressBooks is using xslt to transform html into wikibook xml. The >> > PmWiki plug-in tells the wiki engine how to produce wikibook, >> > replacing all the rules that normally turn wiki markup into html. So >> > to decide whether wikipublisher is a suitable engine for your >> > purposes, you'll need to work out the feasibility of teaching tiki to >> > produce wikibook xml.
>> That is pretty awesome. Tiki doesn't have that. Our parser for the >> wiki syntax (bold, italic, etc.) is... well... it's 9 years old and it >> grew organically, and could use a revamp. It's stable and most devs >> avoid touching it.
>> However, the bit for Wiki Plugins (they are built-in and optional with >> more advanced functionality, like macroshttp://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Plugin) has been revamped recently and >> although there are over 130, they are quite consistent.
>> On the medium term, we'll want to revamp the parser. But maybe in the >> short term, we can do the most common and simple ones within the >> current parser.https://dev.tiki.org/Wiki+Parser
>> > On 23 Dec, 21:24, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough, >> >> > but manageable.
>> >> Awesome!
>> >> > Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
>> >> Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a >> >> headset. Take it for a spin here:http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An >> >> awesome FOSS project by the way)
>> >> > Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
>> >> Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am >> >> delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent >> >> versions.
>> >> > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with >> >> > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
>> >> Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up >> >> being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki >> >> which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called >> >> Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder:http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
>> >> Example use case:
>> >> Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to >> >> print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a >> >> member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date. >> >> Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your >> >> membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or >> >> with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect, >> >> please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your >> >> information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your >> >> username is: xyz Your password is: abc
>> >> Another use case is collaboratively-produced business cases. Data from >> >> Wiki and spreadsheet:http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+JQ
>> >> And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example, >> >> WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which >> >> gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a >> >> spin here:http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
>> >> > I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at >> >> > WikiSym2009...
>> >> errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website >> >> (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was >> >> nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like >> >> performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only >> >> recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my >> >> radar as an important thing to address:-)
>> >> >> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or >> >> >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New >> >> >> Zealand :-)
>> >> > -- >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. >> >> > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
>> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "wikipublisher" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to wikipublisher@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikipublisher+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/wikipublisher?hl=en.
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://live.tiki.org/ is just a redirect to tiki.org/Live from where > you can click a Big Blue Button to join the fun.
> Thanks!
> M ;-)
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:00 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Marc -- this time tomorrow!
>> I assume the link to http://live.tiki.org/ for the conference will be >> activated some time between now and then?
>>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:56 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > A couple of comments on the use cases and wikipublisher.
>>> > Mail-outs. Individual letters are no problem. Mail-merge is not >>> > currently supported, but there is a LaTeX mail-merge package which >>> > works a treat. It should be possible to pass a wikibook xml letter >>> > template and csv data file to wikipublisher and have it produce a pdf >>> > containing a generated set of letters and envelopes. The trick would >>> > be in how to write the letter template in the wiki in a way that can >>> > be translated into a suitable LaTeX template for the mail-merge >>> > package to work on.
>>> I was thinking the mail-merge would actually be done in Tiki. We need >>> this logic anyhow for newsletters. We would produce a wikibook XML for >>> each letter.
>>> > Business cases. There would need to be a way to translate the >>> > spreadsheet into something LaTeX can understand -- preferably a table, >>> > but possibly an image. If you are going to support techniques like >>> > Investment Logic Mapping, you will also need collaborative image >>> > editing. Would you envisage using SVG for this? Currently, >>> > wikipublisher doesn't support SVG, but is should be possible to use >>> > Inkscape to convert SVG to PDF or EPS on the fly.
>>> For the spreadsheet, exporting to a table would be fine.
>>> This permits collaborative drawing (not in realtime though, but with >>> layers and versionning), and SVG-edit has a feature to export to .png, >>> which we may need to tweak to export a higher-res for print
>>> > Contextual content. As far as wikipublisher is concerned, it simply >>> > typesets a stream of wikibook xml and doesn't care how this was >>> > generated, as long as it is valid wikibook xml. So if the originating >>> > site can gather it, wikpublisher can print it.
>>> Understood. Is there a place to download some Wiki Book XML samples?
>>> > Overall, the big question is how to teach the site to produce wikibook >>> > xml. PressBooks is using xslt to transform html into wikibook xml. The >>> > PmWiki plug-in tells the wiki engine how to produce wikibook, >>> > replacing all the rules that normally turn wiki markup into html. So >>> > to decide whether wikipublisher is a suitable engine for your >>> > purposes, you'll need to work out the feasibility of teaching tiki to >>> > produce wikibook xml.
>>> That is pretty awesome. Tiki doesn't have that. Our parser for the >>> wiki syntax (bold, italic, etc.) is... well... it's 9 years old and it >>> grew organically, and could use a revamp. It's stable and most devs >>> avoid touching it.
>>> However, the bit for Wiki Plugins (they are built-in and optional with >>> more advanced functionality, like macroshttp://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Plugin) has been revamped recently and >>> although there are over 130, they are quite consistent.
>>> On the medium term, we'll want to revamp the parser. But maybe in the >>> short term, we can do the most common and simple ones within the >>> current parser.https://dev.tiki.org/Wiki+Parser
>>> > On 23 Dec, 21:24, Marc Laporte <marclapo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:59 PM, JR <ranki...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > Hello Marc, this sounds interesting. 7 am NZ time is a little tough, >>> >> > but manageable.
>>> >> Awesome!
>>> >> > Do I need to install anything to use Big Blue Button?
>>> >> Just need a browser, with Flash. And highly recommended to use a >>> >> headset. Take it for a spin here:http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ (An >>> >> awesome FOSS project by the way)
>>> >> > Have you looked at pressbooks.com (also in Montreal), which is doing
>>> >> Yeah, I met Hugh and he gave me a crash course :-) And I am >>> >> delighted that this project lead to enhancements in the recent >>> >> versions.
>>> >> > something similar using WordPress as the authoring environment, with >>> >> > Wikipublisher producing the print books.
>>> >> Similar indeed! A difference is that, AFAICT, our scope will end up >>> >> being broader. online collaborative books: yes. But beyond the wiki >>> >> which is mostly text centric, we have a data-centric component, called >>> >> Trackers. Basically, a custom database builder:http://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
>>> >> Example use case:
>>> >> Say an association uses Tiki for membership management. They want to >>> >> print & snail mail personalized letters. Ex.: Thank you for being a >>> >> member of our XYZ association. Your membership will expire on $date. >>> >> Below is the information we have in our records. To renew your >>> >> membership, please sign the form and mail it in with your check or >>> >> with the credit card info filled in. If some information is incorrect, >>> >> please update using the blank fields below. If you want to update your >>> >> information and renew online, please visit: http://example.com Your >>> >> username is: xyz Your password is: abc
>>> >> Another use case is collaboratively-produced business cases. Data from >>> >> Wiki and spreadsheet:http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+JQ
>>> >> And we also need ways of having contextual content. For example, >>> >> WritingTravellers lets you produce a personalized travel book which >>> >> gathers content depending on your answers to a wizard. Take it for a >>> >> spin here:http://www.writingtravellers.com/tikiwiki/tiki-makebook.php
>>> >> > I am guessing that you first found out about Wikipublisher at >>> >> > WikiSym2009...
>>> >> errrr.. (shame) I was at WikiSym 2009 and I even managed the website >>> >> (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2009/) but at that time, my focus was >>> >> nowhere near printing. Instead I was working on things like >>> >> performance, slideshow, spreadsheet, and the mobile version. It's only >>> >> recently that high-quality printing is increasingly appearing on my >>> >> radar as an important thing to address:-)
>>> >> >> Can someone from the dev team attend? We could change the date and/or >>> >> >> time of the meeting to be more friendly to someone from, say, New >>> >> >> Zealand :-)
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