Hi Maria,
I agree on the limitations of traditional textbooks, but I can’t help wondering about quality criteria within user-generated contents. Where’s the balance and who/how decides about it? I may appear “dated” but have some causes for concern:
1. I’ve recently started developing OER and some materials are real crap despite how rich in media they can be.
2. Not everything is online. May seem idiotic but I’m having trouble to find materials by seminal authors (Sociology, Anthropology).
3. Not every student has the appropriate background to decide on his/her study materials or priorities. You can’t understand post-modern theories without reading some “old bores”.
4. Mistaking form with content, does pretty mean good? Same way “old school” may argue pretty can´t be good.
5. Not every student has access to a PC and Internet access or enough bandwidth to stream videos. And, again, depending on the subject audio/video can be more demanding than reading, so not necessarily ideal for everything.
Print on demand is great if No. needed are low or you really reduce costs printing locally, otherwise it can be more expensive than traditional printing. PDF of course provides access, nice stepping stone.
Sorry if blunt, this is giving me some hard time. Right now I don’t even care for centralization (lol), if it’s good there’s always mashups.
Cheers,
Alex
As for instructional design... this is the very reason I personally would appose the idea of using Wikieducator to develop text books, because we would see pedagogical templates and "activities" frustrating the information. IMO pedagogical activity should be kept separate from text books so as to allow teachers and learners the freedom to design their own processes around the content. This was Teemu Leinonen's argument back when we were discussing the development of the OER Handbooks.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 16:41, Leigh Blackall <leighb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for instructional design... this is the very reason I personally would
> appose the idea of using Wikieducator to develop text books, because we
> would see pedagogical templates and "activities" frustrating the
> information. IMO pedagogical activity should be kept separate from text
> books so as to allow teachers and learners the freedom to design their own
> processes around the content. This was Teemu Leinonen's argument back when
> we were discussing the development of the OER Handbooks.
Don't overlook the fact that since they are in fact templates, it is
easy to excise them when printing or making a content package. MUCH
better than if there was simple activity wikitext within the page(s).
Wayne,
What are more names to look up on the subject, especially metalearning and teaching/learning in communities of practice including "community objects" in relationships? This is extremely useful, and I need to educate myself better. From all I know, separating instructional design from curriculum development is a dangerous idea originating in the "assembly line" mentality. Intuitively, content and activity developers (in the plural) should work together in a coherent community of practice which includes learners as active participants.
If the knowledge society is structurally different from industrialised society -- the open question we could ask is whether we will see a "new" pedagogy emerging which is structurally different from both agrarian and industrial approaches?
Wayne says:Obviously we are seeing that. Benkler's Wealth of Networks, Siemens Connectivism, Downes' Connected Knowledge but more importantly in my view, Illich's Learning Webs idea for Bolivia, cited in his book Deschooling Society - predating ODL, ignoring "instructional design", and predicting post industrial society enabled by networked communications. Illich was interested in networked communications empowering subsistance living.If the knowledge society is structurally different from industrialised society -- the open question we could ask is whether we will see a "new" pedagogy emerging which is structurally different from both agrarian and industrial approaches?
Illich's Learning Webs idea for Bolivia, cited in his book Deschooling Society - predating ODL, ignoring "instructional design", and predicting post industrial society enabled by networked communications. Illich was interested in networked communications empowering subsistance living.
Hi Guys,
This is such a fascinating discussion...
Is there any way to package this - and use it as the basis of some learning materials for a course on something.... :-)
It's just such great dialogue.... I'm wondering how we can give it more life than simply in the google group..
- Randy
As I mentioned to Maria, the presentation on Connections was the first
I attended. It was short (I made a post about it:
http://beespace.net/oer-at-stoa/) and I have not had the opportunity
to test the platform to see how it works myself so have no experience
in that domain. I was attracted though by the apparent facility of
combining different contributed bits and pieces to create your own,
something which seems to be more difficult in the wiki, where you
create all from scratch and it remains (in my limited view) a bit
static.
>WikiEducator is founded on the wiki-model of peer collaboration whereas Connexions' processes are more akin to the "producer-consumer" model of OER content development. Both approaches have their respective advantages and disadvantages.
Why do you mean by peer as opposed to producer-consumer and what would
be the advantages and disadvantages of each, as you see it?
Warm regards,
I was attracted though by the apparent facility of
combining different contributed bits and pieces to create your own,
something which seems to be more difficult in the wiki, where you
create all from scratch and it remains (in my limited view) a bit
static.
>WikiEducator is founded on the wiki-model of peer collaboration whereas Connexions' processes are more akin to the "producer-consumer" model of OER content development. Both approaches have their respective advantages and disadvantages.
Why do you mean by peer as opposed to producer-consumer and what would
be the advantages and disadvantages of each, as you see it?
> That's what I find so exciting with projects like WikiEducator -- we're making the future happen!
So do I. A toast to 2009 and the years to come! May new forms of
peer-production and collaboration emerge!
Warm regards and off to the coast to spend New Year by the sea with my
feet in the water as required by our local mores and lores :-)
Check last year's pic
http://flickr.com/photos/bee/340747926/
Technically the collection feature in WikiEducator enables users to reuse existing collections and/or recreate customised collections. Also, I think that there are considerable opportunities for us to improve reusability through design. For example, identifying the educational elements with a high probability for customisation (eg activities) as discrete objects in the materials, for instance pedagogical templates or individual subsections. In this way we can reduce the time and effort required for reuse and customisation. With this model -- different teachers can then easily build customised collections for their teaching. I do agree that we will need to refine the user interface for making it easier to build customised collections in WE.
This is something I'd be keen for us to focus on in the new year. So any thoughts on how we can improve the ability to customise and reuse resources is most welcome. We can build these recommendations into the technical development specifications. If all goes well -- we should be able to raise the funding necessary for these refinements :-).
Towards the end of 2007, Ken Udas from the World Campus at PSU, Chris Geith from MSU Global and myself had a bash at distinguishing these approaches:
>WikiEducator is founded on the wiki-model of peer collaboration whereas Connexions' processes are more akin to the "producer-consumer" model of OER content development. Both approaches have their respective advantages and disadvantages.
Why do you mean by peer as opposed to producer-consumer and what would
be the advantages and disadvantages of each, as you see it?
http://www.wikieducator.org/Internationalising_online_programs/OER_producer-consumer_and_co-production_models
I think the table attempting to compare these approaches needs some refinement and improvement ;-) -- but is nonetheless is a starting point to think about these differences.
I think that the mass-collaboration approach which underpins peer-production models has greater potential for leveraging the benefits of self-organising OER systems (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization ) -- What's interesting about self-organising systems is the fact that its difficult to predict future benefits -- they emerge over time. Also, self-organising systems are also more responsive and can adapt more easily to changing needs. I also have a strong sense that the emerging approaches will be more aligned with the principles of mass-customisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_customization ) as opposed to the more traditional model of mass-standardisation we have become accustomed to in the classical academic publishing model.
In the spirit of refinement, where would "learners as co-creators of content" fit? At a first glance, it seems to belong in the co-production models, but maybe it's a separate dimension altogether. possibilities:
producer-consumer-learner vs. co-production-learning vs. co-production together with learners, as an integral part of the learning process.
I also experienced greater collaboration with myself, and much higher productivity than I've experienced before.
On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 19:52 -0500, Maria Droujkova wrote:
In the spirit of refinement, where would "learners as co-creators of content" fit? At a first glance, it seems to belong in the co-production models, but maybe it's a separate dimension altogether. possibilities:
producer-consumer-learner vs. co-production-learning vs. co-production together with learners, as an integral part of the learning process.
Hi Maria --- that's a very good question. In WikiEducator, two examples come to mind where learners are actively engaged in co-producing learning materials. Apology for the long-winded response -- but this is a fascinating discussion.
1) Biology in elementary schools is a project at St Michael's College where student teachers produce OER lessons (http://www.wikieducator.org/Biology_in_elementary_schools) and are graded on their work as part of the course;
2) Ruth Lawson, a lecturer at Otago Polytechnic in New Zealand is developing learning activities on WikiEducator based on her OER text on the Anatomy and Physiology of Animals on Wikibooks (see: http://www.wikieducator.org/The_Anatomy_and_Physiology_of_Animals). Ruth reports that students assist in refening and improving the activities on WikiEducator.
So one classification option under the co-production model could be based on two points of a continuum:
a) OERs produced solely by learners, and
b) OER produced solely by teachers
The middle ground of this continuum would represent OER co-produced by teachers and learners.
Thinking out loud here -- do we need a discrete category for learner generated OER? Or does the co-production model subsume the continuum of learner engagement as co-producers.
Another interesting angle in the co-production model is the idea that learners become teachers, and teachers become learners. I think there is wisdom in the old adage that if you want to learn something --- teach it. Also teachers (or subject matter experts) developing content in the wiki become learners in the sense that through collaboration they are exposed to experiential learning with reference to learning design, multimedia design and visual design.
a place to view and share educational material made of small knowledge chunks called modules that can be organized as courses, books, reports, etc. Anyone may view or contribute:
Rice University professor Richard Baraniuk explains the vision behind Connexions, his open-source, online education system. It cuts out the textbook, allowing teachers to share and modify course materials freely, anywhere in the world.
- Derek
Hi Maria
Yes, my students are authoring learning materials - mostly as
collaborative research projects
http://www.wikieducator.org/DeAnza_College/CIS2/Fall_2008
http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/CIS2_Summer_2008
I would very much like to have access to some tools that would allow
them to build out materials around hubs in a way that isn't linear
wiki pages, but rather some more complex network / hub representation.
The idea being that these could be combined with the work of others.
Then anyone interested in the topic would be guided around the
learning space by these connections.
Another use would be to enter the space with a specific link, then be
able to see the connections and follow paths that went off from
there.
The general purpose Google search can do this sort of. If there is a
link to a specific site in a page, you could search for other pages
that contained that link. However, it doesn't address the idea that
students are finding these paths as they learn and are the best source
of this information. Capturing this information and then leveraging
that in combination with many students' paths is important and
interesting.
Wishing you the best for 2009
..Valerie
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