Style guidelines draft policy update

[Jesse Groppi]

Hi all!

I'm back to give you an update on the progress of the style guidelines workgroup and its draft policy.  First, not much has changed in two weeks.  The current suggested guidelines list appears to be at a general consensus, however we can't progress with the suggestions until a policy for ratification is decided upon by the council.  All the same, new suggestions are always welcome, as are comments on current suggestions!  Through the week, I'll be doing some research and trying to add new ones, so keep checking the list.

On the status of the draft policy: I think it's safe to say what we have is a "complete" draft, thanks to the help of Wayne and others.  We're still late on a final draft, and have only seven days to the submission deadline of 1 September.  I believe that will be plenty of time to make sure we have a solid draft for proposal to the council at the 7 September meeting, but it still requires that we hear the opinions of others!  Remember that even if you had never heard of a wiki before you came to Wikieducator, you can still make a valuable contribution to this project and others!

Looking forward to seeing you on the wiki,

Jesse

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[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Thank you for your dedication. I agree that we should get involved and and contribute to this very important workgroup.
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[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Jesse,
I tried to add spelling as a suggested guideline and made a mess in the template. I apologize.
However, should we choose between American and British spelling or let everyone do as they wish?

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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Jesse Groppi <jagr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jan Visser]

I hope we let everyone do as they wish, as long as texts remain internally consistent, i.e., no mixing of UK and US spelling conventions in a single document. Similar rules should apply to e.g. Portuguese as written in Portugal and basically also in the so-called PALOP countries (the African countries that have Portuguese as an official language) and the Brazilian variety of Portuguese.

 

Jan

 

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[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Good points, Jan. Thank you for sharing.

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[john stampe]

>However, should we choose between American and British spelling or let everyone do as they wish?

Sounds, like flamebait to me ;-). Seriously, I think this is best left to let everyone do as the wish (the exception may be in the case of a formal name).

 

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Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Style guidelines draft policy update

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Formal name? Nice!

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[Jesse Groppi]

Nellie,

I've cleaned up the page, and reworded a couple things.  Have I kept it in alignment with your original intent?

Don't get down on yourself for having trouble with the boilerplate.  In fact, you've helped me to think up a way to make it easier to use!  Take a look to see how I've edited it, and please tell me if you have other suggestions.

I think I'm in agreement that we wouldn't necessarily want to restrict all members to a specific regional spelling choice, but that it should be consistent throughout the resource/page.  I'm beginning to think we may need to implement a hidden template that makes certain style declarations such as which regional spelling choice the document should adhere to (to aid in situations like Aus. v Brit.) and the opt out choice we're providing in the policy.

Jesse

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[Jesse Groppi]

Apologies, I meant to link to http://www.wikieducator.org/Help:Guideline_proposal as the suggestion boilerplate.

On 24/08/2009 03:38, NELLIE DEUTSCH wrote:

[Jesse Groppi]

Also, you may be interested in the new proposal template I'll be adding in today or tomorrow: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Jesse_Groppi/dev03 which you can see implemented here: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Jesse_Groppi/sandbox01

On 24/08/2009 03:38, NELLIE DEUTSCH wrote:

[Stephen Downes]

john stampe wrote:

>However, should we choose between American and British spelling or let everyone do as they wish?

Require everyone to use Canadian spelling. ;)

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[Randy Fisher]

I like the idea of not mixing spelling conventions within the same document.

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[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hi Stephen,
Is there a new Canadian spelling style I missed out on these past 40 years?

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[Jesse Groppi]

Hehe, I'm not aware of a difference to British English, but I often see them differentiated.  Australian as well.

[Wayne Mackintosh]

Hi Jesse -

Welcome back -- great to see our styles guideline group chugging along.  I'm voting for Kiwi spelling :-).

Jan, and John make important points about freedom in providing folk the space to be creative for their own teaching purposes. Fortunately this is something we can accommodate in the wiki model. 

I agree with Randy and Jan's suggestions for promoting consistency within the same document, course or open textbook. 

Cheers
Wayne

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[Jesse Groppi]

Nellie et al,

I added the templated table to the guideline proposal boilerplate.  How easy/difficult is it to understand how to tailor it to your proposal?  Do you have any suggestions for making it clearer?

Jesse

On 24/08/2009 03:38, NELLIE DEUTSCH wrote:

[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

Hi Jesse,
I will check and let you know.
Thank your for doing an incredible job!!!!

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[Phil Bartle]

West African Pidgin English

"I will be back soon."

becomes,

"I go come small."

:-)

Nellie, Microsoft introduced a Canadian spelling speller in its Word programme, and it is as phony as a wedding ring on a hooker. Most of us in Canada, as you might remember, learned British spelling.

We remember that in 1776 we declined the invitation of the Terrorists from Virginia to rebel against the Motherland, and our insistence on using proper English English is a residual of that sentiment.

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[NELLIE DEUTSCH]

That's cute, Phil. Can you join us on the workgroup? We need you!
Thank you.
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[Stephen Downes]

Hiya,

For those who don't know, Canadian spelling is distinct from both
American and British spelling (and no, British spelling is *not* what is
taught in Canadian schools).

For example, Canadian spelling adopts British spelling in some cases:
- colour
- honour
- flavour
- metre
- litre
- lable

but American spelling in others

- tire
- curb
- airplane
- emphasize
- jail

As you can see, there is a logic in Canadian spelling. It preserves the
subtlties of the English language (eg., the distinction betweek 'o' and
'ou', or the distinction between 're' and 'er') but generally dispenses
with some of the offbeat letter combinations that populate English
spelling (gaol, kerb, tyre, aero...).

My main reference is 'Editing Canadian English' -
http://www.editors.ca/resources/eac_publications/ece.html
Also, the CP stylebook:
http://www.thecanadianpress.com/books.aspx?id=182&terms=style

[Wayne Mackintosh]

Hi Stephen,

That's very interesting -- Given my short stay in Canada, I often wondered about the spelling of "tire" compared to "colour". 

I also wondered why Canada is one of very few Commonwealth countries that drive on the right side of the road ;-)  That said, I think you're starting a tradition -- I see Samoa is shifting from the left to the right pretty soon.

Cheers
Wayne

2009/8/29 Stephen Downes <ste...@downes.ca>

[Jo Fothergill]

Very interesting - my comment (not criticism) is that airplane and aeroplane are pronounced differently - and that's why they are spelled differently (air-plane vs air-o-plane)

Cheers

(My take on spelling is that as a long time html coding with American spelling for words like colour/color it doesn't worry me what the standard is.)

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Stephen Downes <ste...@downes.ca> wrote:

but American spelling in others

- tire
- curb
- airplane
- emphasize
- jail

As you can see, there is a logic in Canadian spelling. It preserves the
subtlties of the English language (eg., the distinction betweek 'o' and
'ou', or the distinction between 're' and 'er') but generally dispenses
with some of the offbeat letter combinations that populate English
spelling (gaol, kerb, tyre, aero...).

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