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john stampe  
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 More options Nov 2, 5:21 am
From: john stampe <jwsta...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:21:26 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 5:21 am
Subject: Copyright rant

Following on from Phil and his rants and with the recent discuss on the list of a copyright tutorial, I have put up my own rant at http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS/Thoughts_on_copyright.

Cheers,
John

http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS
http://johnsearth.blogspot.com


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NELLIE DEUTSCH  
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From: NELLIE DEUTSCH <nellie.muller.deut...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:42:40 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 6:42 am
Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Copyright rant

Hi John,
It would be great to add all the links to one portal. In the meantime, you
may wish to add your thoughts here:
http://wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Workshops/Online_schedule/eL...
Thank you.
Warm wishes,
Nellie Deutsch
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Patricia Schlicht  
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From: "Patricia Schlicht" <PSchli...@col.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:08:53 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 12:08 pm
Subject: RE: [WikiEducator] Copyright rant

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have added them to the "thoughts and
comments" list on the project planning page here where you can also find
other comments. Phil, will you add yours, didn't see them,

thanks:

http://www.wikieducator.org/Wikieducator_tutorial/Learning_about_Copyrig
hts/tutorial_Sandbox#Comments_and_Thoughts

Cheers,

Patricia

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Subject: [WikiEducator] Copyright rant

Following on from Phil and his rants and with the recent discuss on the
list of a copyright tutorial, I have put up my own rant at
http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS/Thoughts_on_copyright.

Cheers,
John

http://www.wikieducator.org/User:JohnWS
http://johnsearth.blogspot.com


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Phil Bartle  
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 More options Nov 3, 5:44 am
From: Phil Bartle <cmpbar...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 02:44:50 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 5:44 am
Subject: Copyright rant
Thanks, John, for a very thoughtful and comprehensive rant on
copyright. I learned a lot

My latest rant is on socialization versus education

See: http://wikieducator.org/User:Philbartle#Phil.27s_Rants

Cheers,

Phil
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MariaD  
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From: MariaD <droujk...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 04:18:55 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 3 2009 7:18 am
Subject: Re: Copyright rant
I've replied about socialization:
http://wikieducator.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Philbartle&lqt_meth...

I think establishing new social norms, influencing old ones, and
designing social norms for your communities is something we have to
help people learn, including young children. Full text of the comment:

The more borders open, communities mix and everybody travels, the
bigger is a need for social training for older people. When my husband
and I first came to the US as graduate students, our "English for
Teaching Assistants" course included what I consider "social
training." For example, we practiced standing at about a yard from the
person we talk with - not more like in Western Europe, not less like
in South America. Or, we practiced answering questions within 2-3
seconds, not up to one minute, as in China or Eastern Europe.

Also, autistic people may need more explicit learning in this area.

Most people who enter social media need socialization help learning
netiquette. For example, in the last couple of years, many 50+ people
joined FaceBook, and many 25- people started to leave it as the social
climate there changed so much.

People who enter a new profession, which more and more people need to
do repeatedly during their life, also have to learn, or create if the
profession is new, different social norms.

Changing social norms consciously is another big part of social
learning. It's something we have to teach kids more than we do now.
Community forming, social norm design and establishment, changing
existing social norms, and recognizing the non-malleable ones.

On Nov 3, 5:44 am, Phil Bartle <cmpbar...@gmail.com> wrote:


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