> > > Would be great if you could join our WG to set up WG policies and
> > procedures
> > > so that we can tackle our communication challenges using our WG polcies
> > (to
> > > be drafted). This is a little confusing -- but hope that you get the
> > drift
> > > :-).
>
> > Wayne, You know I can't leave. But please, must WE be bureaucrats?
> > I'm old, but I still want some fun.
>
> WE're planning on having lots of fun @ the OER Foundation / WikiEducator ---
> Open Philanthropy doesn't work with traditional hierarchies ;-) --- Still
> lots to learn about how self organisation will inform organisational
> relationships etc, but our system is open and will evolve accordingly.
"lots to learn" - amen to that. "our system" becomes a hard thing to
pin down when we all know the key is to be inclusive of other
communities, and share the learning (and building). I find reading
debono helps re the self organizing. i.e. timing is important
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>
> > I'm trying very hard to understand what kind of tools different
> > communities prefer, can afford, or are willing to share, or share in
> > the building.
> > So when someone mentions one brand, like ning, (peter, nellie, pat,
> > etc) it has me rummaging through a bunch of domains, seeing which
> > combination of widgits is up to which stage of development today. e.g.
> >
http://www.c4lpt.co.uk/Directory/Tools/social2.html
>
> Me too --- I'm not sure what tools are going to be the answer, but suspect
> that we will see multiple tools and approaches emerging. Being an optimist
> -- I'd like to see WikiEducator and the OER Foundation encouraging multiple
> tools and multiple scenarios that are going to work in supporting the OER
> community. There was life before wikis and no doubt there will be life
> after wikis-- and strategically we need to be prepared for changing futures.
Are we cloned? ah yes, diversity. I remember when it was taken for
granted.
If you want the geek spin on this, see this article and check out the
top (app) layer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol_Suite
The bottom three layers provide cannels on which our various boats
float, the most popular abiding by design rule "http:xxxxxxx.xxx"
Its such a pity as the USS SIP is a much more sociable boat to sail
on. That the protocol that sets up and strips down a telephone/multi
media session.
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> > At the same time you've given me hope because you're on the advisory
> > for both WE and WMF. So encouraging the development of WG's tools,
> > which might federate across those two domains (as well as connexions,
> > OCWC domains, etc) is the challenge isn't it? Every domain,
> > unfortunately) puts "'their" community of groups at the top of "their"
> > tree.
> >
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Federation#Federation_plan_f...
>
> The vision of the OER Foundation is to foster the development of sustainable
> OER ecosystems. Of necessity this will mean improving collaboration and
> networking among the various OER silos including OCWC, WMF projects,
> WikiEducator, Connexions etc.
My "logical model" is very clear on this. My self deception has me
pondering on all the similar WG's which are buried inside domains.
This is nothing to do with retaining privacy inside a domain (a lot of
the time). It's just that we think from inside a domain because we are
orientated by http aggregations, many of which are built around (in
the global case) a single (or ad hoc group of) tools. and then
branded, so consumers can lust after something new.
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> > What is needed in the first instance is for both advisory boards to
> > agree on a place (in whatever domain) to share groups with a common
> > interest. If we get this principle agreed then we can look at their
> > preferred abd very diverse) flavour of I and CT E.g. If you want to
> > have a play with having one phone number for our global group to talk,
> > you might play with this.
http://www.gizmoconference.com/. Which goes
> > to show, a "common place" needn't be defined by a domain name. (NB,
> > gizmo is an OPEN network, unlike Skype)
>
> I stopped using Gizmo a while ago after I couldn't find anyone on the Gizmo
> network to speak to -- Look's like I should install the Gizmo client again
> -- at least I now have someone I can call :-)
You've missed my point. What I was pointing at was a way to set up a
private conference room (with a set number), for our group.
I can ring it for 2c/min or nothing if i make a little effort. I don't
know what the quality is like, and there's only one way to find out.
Remember, I'm a geek There's no difference (to me) between a single
phone call (between two boxes) or a fully blown accessgrid type
session - apart from bandwidth and a few more apps. The ROOM number
stays the same.
Where you are quoting benkler about "commons based peer production",
I'm trying to get various mousetrap builders to understand that their
pipes need to be configured around different (non institutional=
global groups) phone-like numbers (i.e.an IP address) , and automated,
so a group of services can become affordable.
http://www.arcs.org.au/about.
If you want a "real time" insight into what might apps be attached to
the number, you might take a peek at this propecting tool.
http://www.opencastproject.org/content/about_opencast and consider
how useless it might be if the Input/outputs are not considered
together along with the pipes. And this is one of many potentials for
developing an online production/distribution model.
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> > I have been busy with your "towards a learning institution" doc,
> > making notes
>
> >
http://www.wikieducator.org/Talk:Funding_proposals/Towards_open_parti...
> > and practicing.
> >
http://www.wikieducator.org/Practice:Towards_a_new_Institution_of_Lea...
>
> Saw your post on the talk page -- thanks. I'm working over here on
> developing the draft strategy documents for the OER Foundation (which are
> using relevant bits of the Hewlett bid text above) :
http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:OER_Foundation/Strategy. Still lots of
> work to do -- comments and contributions always welcome :-)
>
The graphic is just my favourite. But it kinda changes the whole
flavour of your prop. The main difference is that (the model) it's
circular = inputs to outputs and around again, rather than the linear
production line. I'll keep "practicing" with the prop doc, para by
para. If anyone feels they need to do a wholesale massacre on it,
please go ahead.
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> > If anyone has another "logic model", please link to it from the
> > disussion page. I really have a passion for such things.
>
> > I'm hoping we can at least see about adding education.au's name to
> > otago's, immediamum. This community are insearch of the obvious, like
> > us, and linking with them (got a handy MOU?) might help you out of an
> > Otago reductionism.
> >
http://me.edu.au/b/marktf/entry/edna_futures_discussion_paper
>
> The OER Foundation is an open independent non-profit -- in the spirit of
> open philanthropy lets draft the MOU as an open document :-).
OK, But I'll give you fair warning. The philanthropy is great, but I'm
aiming to discover the business case which will support a bunch of
media industries. Can't let Leigh do all the work. ('academic business
case' sounds like a oxymoron)
You'll see I've been bantering your name about.
http://me.edu.au/b/marktf/entry/edna_futures_presentation
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>
>
> > One key, if you want to drop it on the business managers over there,
> > is using KAREN to tap into akamai, and have them host NZ's unis OER
> > stuff.
> > We might look at doing some (higher bandwidth) stuff across the ditch,
> > both in real time and otherwise. At least that's going to be a
> > dicussion with marktf from education.au on thursday.
>
> Yip -- I'm hoping to have a chat with the CE of KAREN (end of this week) if
> all goes well. At the very least we'd like to see OER content sites
> whitelisted as educational sites on KAREN to enjoy some of the bandwidth
> benefits.
Hey, ya gotta speaka lingo. Quite a few silos do this already. (silos
are like otago, attached to an NREN). AArnet is one of a number of
NREN which are "plugged" in to akamai.
http://www.aarnet.edu.au/Content.aspx?p=121
That's simple. It's the charging (off net) which is the problem. If
you want just KAREN and AArnet communities to talk, then just have
them peer and share a common boxful of apps and storage = no off net
charges = whitelisted. But we're trying to something which is for the
greater (global) good here. And whitelisting certain domains or
portfolios is the common dream , not a technical specification
I'll send you some guff before friday if dan from the sydney office
gets back to me.
http://www.akamai.com/html/about/locations.html
Are WE having fun yet? best, simon
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