CollabOERation? Wayne, I think you've now exceeded your pun quota for
the month. ;-)
Erik
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Stephen Downes regularly writes about OER RSS feed mechanisms and the
like as a means to get around the problem of OER silos. Is that an
activity that would be within scope?
..Valerie
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The energy behind this idea is fantastic. Though I think it is going
in the wrong direction. I see the coordination of OER goes against
what OER is all about.
1) OER is about localized resources, so alignment goes against
localization
2) I see any consolidation / collaboration tied to WikiMedia
foundation (or any other institution) in any way as falling into the
"evil" Ebin Moglins speaks of... (see videos referenced in above)
3) aligning to some standard or coordination will reduce contribution,
for it is a barrier
4) learning from OER is more about creation than reuse, though
referencing is good (ask yourself, who learns more, the creator or the
reuser)
for OER to be successful it needs to be localized, distributed, not
standards constrained and encourages personal freedom in its
development.
I believe focus upon an OER search engine where there is no
coordinated / collaborative initiative would serve the OER movement
better...
Looking forward to others perspectives on this important issue.
Be Well...
Sincerely, Peter
On Mar 19, 3:09 pm, Wayne Mackintosh <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> HI Valerie,
>
> Great insights and questions. "Technical" interoperability is an important
> dimension and I think Stephen is right to suggest using RSS feed mechanisms
> to help widen access and break down OER silos. This will certainly help. I
> also think that its important to build OERs collaboratively, to share OERs
> and to collaborate on how to use them. We should be doing all this stuff.
>
> My concern with the OER silos is not related to OER interoperability per se
> but rather the lack of collaboration in the international OER landscape that
> seeks to build on the strengths and core competencies of individual
> projects, eliminating unnecessary duplication in the co-opetion sense of the
> word -- i.e. where we agree to work together so that all our projects get
> better at what they do.
>
> - How many OER projects who are supposedly committed to the idea of
> sharing, develop their funding proposals as open content?
> - How many OER projects who are supposedly committed to the idea of
> sharing, license their administrative and legal documents under open
> licenses (eg membership agreements, policies etc) We could reduce wastage
> and unnecessary duplication by an order of magniture by sharing these
> resources.
> - Do those of us working in OER really get and understand the meaning of
> - What are the the non-zero sum solutions to take OER to the next level
> for all projects to become more efficient, successful and sustainable?
>
> Great conversation.
>
> Wayne
>
> 20 March 2010 06:04, Valerie Taylor <vtay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Are these projects concerned with building OERs collaboratively,
> > sharing OERs or collaborating on how to use them?
>
> > Stephen Downes regularly writes about OER RSS feed mechanisms and the
> > like as a means to get around the problem of OER silos. Is that an
> > activity that would be within scope?
>
> > ..Valerie
>
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Wayne Mackintosh
> > <mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > HI Erik,
>
> > > LOL :-)
>
> > > We're getting serious about promoting collabOERation --- among OER
> > > initiatives.
>
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> CollabOERators,
Actually, since we are all Free/Open Educational Resource Specialists
Transforming Education Radically, I believe you should all refer to
yourselves as "FOERSTERs".
> for OER to be successful it needs to be localized, distributed,
> not standards constrained and encourages personal freedom in its
> development.
Someone please correct me if I've missed anything, but I'm not aware of
any incidents when it comes to conflicts specifically over content that
has been added to or developed in WikiEducator, like those internecine
conflicts that plague discussions of content Wikimedia projects.
In other words, our problems have really only been disagreements over
project governance, so much as I've seen.
So it seems that those who are really excited about standards could
adhere to them, while those interested in more innovative approaches
could simply still do them.
> I believe focus upon an OER search engine where there is no
> coordinated / collaborative initiative would serve the OER
> movement better...
Isn't that what OER Commons is supposed to be?
What need is there for WE or OERF to do that if someone else has already
staked it out?
-=Steve=-
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Don't see it adding the the discussion though. Kind of supports the
group think perspective I've been talking about, did you feel the love
from Wayne in his support instead of maybe using open questioning
techniques to get better understanding of another perspective. (sorry
if I am sounding trollish) so it goes...
If you were to think deeper about it you may consider what I was
writing. I would hedge the reason there isn't a lot of conflicts is
because most OER is created by a single individual and is not a
collaborative effort. Going back to depth of learning and how with OER
is in its creation, and possibly reuse is a myth. Yes, you are correct
their hasn't been a lot of constraint to localized, distributed, not
standards constrained and personalized OER freedom. I'm just trying to
be a voice suggesting that by consolidating / coordinating it works
against this. just a thought...
On related note, I am a fan of William Easterly's work and thinking
that WE is moving toward big planning (and consolidation) rather than
supporting the searcher for solutions...
http://books.google.ca/books?id=5Iw5IZCTh-kC&lpg=PP1&ots=7mUTYR6Oug&dq=william%20easterly%20white%20man's%20burden&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Hoping you see the message I am carrying is more that just my being a
disruptive troll...
Be Well...
Peter
> Great response Steve...
> Don't see it adding the the discussion though.
Well, I said I don't really see the same problem you do, which isn't the
same thing as "group think". It's just the way I see it. There have
been severe disagreements on governance of WE. But there haven't been
the same fights about content that WMF projects have had, and given the
nature of WE I don't foresee that we will have them here. We don't have
just one article called "Economics", for example. If a Keynesian
economist and an Austrian economist both want to add economics content,
they can both do so on their own terms, categorise their own materials,
and both be happy and productive.
So as far as standards go, particularly ones meant for the whole OER
movement, unless they're mandatory on WE (which I would oppose), they
seem harmless. People can adhere to them or not. If they make things
easier for me, I probably would. If not, I probably wouldn't.
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WikiEducator is so different from Wikipedia - everyone doing their own
thing. Is this because they want to, or because there is no good
obvious way for "others" know if they invited to contribute. Part of
this is how an OER might be used.
In Wikipedia, it is pretty obvious - you enter a search term and up
comes a page. Take it as is or edit it if you have something to
contribute. "Everyone" knows that this is how Wikipedia works.
In WikiEducatior, even if I find a page that has interesting
information, there is no way to know if this is being used by someone
and they want/need it to say as is. I don't know if it is ok to add or
change what is there. Where is collaboration invited? How do I
indicate this is something that I consider to be my stuff, that I
don't want others to edit? If I created a page for a specific purpose
in my class and someone changed it, that could create all sorts of
unintended consequences. I might be pleased or really unhappy.
I would love to collaborate in WikiEducator on OER content but it is
not clear where or how that would work. As it stands it is no surprise
that there isn't collaborative creation becuase no one knows what the
rules or acceptable practices are. They do know that folks get upset
if pages are edited by "outsiders".
Even in small groups of 3-5 students in my classes, it is really
difficult to get collaborative writing. Wikipedia is remarkable in
that so much has been written by so many.
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