Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x ucm.
With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use this open WCM.
I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
- I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle composer; - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
But the good things are:
With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
At a presentation of someone at Oracle I heard the difference between using WCM, WebCenter Portal and WebCenter Spaces and when to use them.
The bottom line is that when you have a content driven portal, you definitely want to use WCM because all of your content will be stored in the Content Server.
When you want lots of flexibility, you want to use the WebCenter Portal application. You can use some parts of WCM when needed but mostly you will write your own code or use the OOTB components. When those OOTB components don't provide the functionality you need, you can write your own.
With WebCenter Spaces you have less flexibility but you have a very nice OOTB environment for collaborative portals.
In your case, if all you need is Site Studio features, build your portal with Site Studio instead of WebCenter but if you need more agile portals with a more Enterprise 2.0 approach, you will need the WebCenter Portal application.
Hope this helps
Regards
Yannick
From: webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com [mailto:webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2011 18:13 To: webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com Subject: [WebCenter EMG] UCM Taskflows x Open WCM
Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x ucm.
With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use this open WCM.
I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
- I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle composer;
- Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
But the good things are:
With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
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Nelson, could you confirm which version of WebCenter you are using? The latest version (11.1.1.4) has much tighter integration with UCM and in fact surfaces a number of Site Studio/WCM artefacts. In this case it is possible to query the repository using a CMIS based query. Likewise the components (such as the expanded Content Presenter) allows for the creation/editing of content in the page (works with Composer :-)
> Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x ucm.
> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use this open WCM.
> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle composer; > - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
> But the good things are:
> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
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Please could you send the links to presentations or topics about the diferences between using WCM, WebCenter Portal and WebCenter Spaces and when to use them.
Thanks in advance Emmerson
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yannick Ongena <yannick.ong...@gmail.com>wrote:
> At a presentation of someone at Oracle I heard the difference between using > WCM, WebCenter Portal and WebCenter Spaces and when to use them.
> The bottom line is that when you have a content driven portal, you > definitely want to use WCM because all of your content will be stored in the > Content Server.
> When you want lots of flexibility, you want to use the WebCenter Portal > application. You can use some parts of WCM when needed but mostly you will > write your own code or use the OOTB components. When those OOTB components > don’t provide the functionality you need, you can write your own.
> With WebCenter Spaces you have less flexibility but you have a very nice > OOTB environment for collaborative portals.
> In your case, if all you need is Site Studio features, build your portal > with Site Studio instead of WebCenter but if you need more agile portals > with a more Enterprise 2.0 approach, you will need the WebCenter Portal > application.
> Hope this helps
> Regards
> Yannick
> *From:* webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com [mailto: > webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nelson > *Sent:* woensdag 16 februari 2011 18:13 > *To:* webcenter-emg@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [WebCenter EMG] UCM Taskflows x Open WCM
> Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson > Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot > with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a > UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data > control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x > ucm.
> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site > Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search > documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use > ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use > this open WCM.
> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle > composer;
> - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use > this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
> But the good things are:
> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like > placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
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> Nelson, > could you confirm which version of WebCenter you are using? The latest version (11.1.1.4) has much tighter integration with UCM and in fact surfaces a number of Site Studio/WCM artefacts. In this case it is possible to query the repository using a CMIS based query. Likewise the components (such as the expanded Content Presenter) allows for the creation/editing of content in the page (works with Composer :-)
> Regards, > Barry
> On 17/02/2011, at 1:12 AM, Nelson wrote:
>> Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
>> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x ucm.
>> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use this open WCM.
>> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
>> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle composer; >> - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
>> But the good things are:
>> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
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I would say that using UCM (Web Content Management) and WebCenter in the same project is a better practice than choosing one over the other - it allows you to pick the better tool for the task at hand. (i.e. if you have a page design that specifies a heavy text/multimedia component with data-driven portlets on the side, WCM can help manage the 'text' part of the page while allowing the WebCenter framework to handle the data portlets.)
(In really practical terms, the use of 'which tool' is often driven by version and licensing terms moreso than the task at hand.)
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Nelson Maia <nellson.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > To be honest is not a problemn that I'm facing, it's just a doubt when use > one and user other, when use both.
> In your opnion it's possible use the both in same project or it'snt a good > pratice?
> Enviado via iPhone
> Em 17/02/2011, às 01:05, Barry Hiern <barry.hi...@oracle.com> escreveu:
> Nelson, > could you confirm which version of WebCenter you are using? The latest > version (11.1.1.4) has much tighter integration with UCM and in fact > surfaces a number of Site Studio/WCM artefacts. In this case it is possible > to query the repository using a CMIS based query. Likewise the components > (such as the expanded Content Presenter) allows for the creation/editing of > content in the page (works with Composer :-)
> Regards, > Barry
> On 17/02/2011, at 1:12 AM, Nelson wrote:
> Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson > Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot > with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a > UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data > control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x > ucm.
> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site > Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search > documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use > ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use > this open WCM.
> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle > composer; > - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use > this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
> But the good things are:
> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like > placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the WebCenter > Enterprise Methodology Group (http://groups.google.com/group/webcenter-emg). > To unsubscribe send email to webcenter-emg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
Nelson, prior to the latest patch set the separation really came on how the site was being used. If it was primarily an "outbound" content publishing site that was effectively static (ie the content was pushed out to the production server in it's final form) then the WCM route was probably the better way to go. Conversely for Intranet/Collaborative sites WebCenter was a better option.
With the 11.1.1.4 release, WebCenter is very much targeted at the type of sites that would have previously been done using the WCM components (eg. Extranet, Internet sites). By surfacing the site studio region templates (and allowing in place editing of the documents) many of the use cases can be met. The question now is not whether,or not, the native templating + region support is sufficient for your needs (WebCenter does not support all the WCM artefacts as yet).
WebCenter now has counterparts for the following WCM functions: PlaceHolders, Page Templates, Fragments and has direct support for Region Definitions, Region Templates.
You can search documents in UCM and get/set document Metadata from the UI (as well as surface the UCM approval workflows).
So the question is does your site need the ability to have customisation/personalisation as well as any web20 features along with the content from UCM? If not, then WCM is probably the better fit.
To answer your question, it is possible to surface OpenWCM components using a Portlet/Taskflow model in WebCenter, however the new components may make this route obsolete.
> To be honest is not a problemn that I'm facing, it's just a doubt when use one and user other, when use both.
> In your opnion it's possible use the both in same project or it'snt a good pratice?
> Enviado via iPhone
> Em 17/02/2011, às 01:05, Barry Hiern <barry.hi...@oracle.com> escreveu:
>> Nelson, >> could you confirm which version of WebCenter you are using? The latest version (11.1.1.4) has much tighter integration with UCM and in fact surfaces a number of Site Studio/WCM artefacts. In this case it is possible to query the repository using a CMIS based query. Likewise the components (such as the expanded Content Presenter) allows for the creation/editing of content in the page (works with Composer :-)
>> Regards, >> Barry
>> On 17/02/2011, at 1:12 AM, Nelson wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
>>> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x ucm.
>>> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use this open WCM.
>>> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
>>> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle composer; >>> - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
>>> But the good things are:
>>> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
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My fellow Brazilian, there is a way to reuse region templates / definition plus data files in WebCenter and still have the site studio contributor window. A couple of weeks ago I posted a how-to about this *hidden gem* in the product. I hope this helps.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Nelson <nellson.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, first of all I would like introduce me, my name is Nelson > Maia, I'm Brazilian and working with webcenter about a 1 year, I work a lot > with UCM and now I'm working with webcenter.
> I posted a thread in Oracle Forum about sort the result from a result of a > UCM Data Control (getItems), I Yannick suggested me create my own data > control with JCR, so now I have a doubt about integration with webcenter x > ucm.
> With UCM 11g came a framework to develop in java application using a Site > Studio component, with this I can get services in UCM, I can search > documents in UCM and it's very good framework, my doubt is if I should use > ootb webcenter components to integrate with my ucm and when I should use > this open WCM.
> I made some test and there's some problemns that I found in Open WCM:
> - I can't insert a open WCM tag in the same page that I have oracle > composer; > - Open WCM work with just native jsp, and there's some difficult when use > this with adf faces, I think that is about the lifecycle diferences
> But the good things are:
> With open wcm I can use a lot of OOTB components from UCM, things like > placeholders, possibility to create content directly in UCM and etc.
> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the WebCenter > Enterprise Methodology Group (http://groups.google.com/group/webcenter-emg). > To unsubscribe send email to webcenter-emg+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
