Webconverger 6.1 on USB flash drive

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K2

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Mar 7, 2010, 6:47:02 PM3/7/10
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How to make a bootable USB stick using the "hybrid" .iso file of webc
6.1, under windows environment?
All available instructions/tutorials make specific reference to
an .img file which is obviously not available - as such - in this
case.

Many thans.
E.

Kai Hendry

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Mar 7, 2010, 7:17:00 PM3/7/10
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Sorry I need to update http://webconverger.org/usb/

http://download.webconverger.com/webc-6.1.iso will work in this case
the same as the current instructions use .img

joseph gunn

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Mar 7, 2010, 7:25:17 PM3/7/10
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i think there is a rawwrite.exe, or such out there.
don't know what the device name would be.





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Guttorm Flatabø

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Mar 8, 2010, 10:22:25 AM3/8/10
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Maybe cygwin could be of use (but will probably not, because of file system drivers), or a tool such as Daemon Tools:

GMF

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Mar 8, 2010, 3:16:03 PM3/8/10
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dd for Windows is also available:
http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

Greez GMF

Ettore Himself

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Mar 12, 2010, 12:32:05 PM3/12/10
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I should better explain my problem, and the origin of my question

A had actually sucessfully created a bootable image on a USB flash
memory stick. That had been accomplished by
- downloading the (hybrid)webc-6.1.iso;
- changing the file type manually (by replacing ".iso" by ".img" in
the file name)
- writing the image on a FAT32 formatted USB stick, using the win32
disk imager (which only works with ".img" fule type).

Having done this, everything worked fine. HOWEVER: I wanted to edit /
isolinux/lice.cfg to personalize some parameters,
the same way I had done with various previous versions (up to
webc-6.0) but I found this to be impossible since
the USB stick was not automatically recognized as mountable (under
Linux Mint), neither editing of the file was
allowed, even after forcing the mounting of the USB stick.

This lead me to believe that I must have done something wrong in
creating the bootable USB stick, and that is why
I asked for guidance about how to create it. In reality the practical
problem is that the image on the USB - unlike
for previous webc versions - now appear to be "hidden".

I hope this better clarified the nature of the question.
As always, thanks for your help.
E.

On Mar 8, 1:17 am, Kai Hendry <hen...@webconverger.com> wrote:
> Sorry I need to updatehttp://webconverger.org/usb/
>
> http://download.webconverger.com/webc-6.1.isowill work in this case

Kai Hendry

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Mar 12, 2010, 1:04:08 PM3/12/10
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Did you try customising live.cfg by rebuilding the ISO as described in
http://webconverger.org/blog/entry/Webconverger_6.1_release_notes/ ?

Ettore Himself

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Mar 12, 2010, 4:00:27 PM3/12/10
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I am sure the customisation of the ISO would work, but then the ISO
has to be re-built, the USB stick has to be re-formatted, and the new
ISO (actually new IMG) needs to be imaged again into the USB stick.
This is much more cumbersome than simply editing the live.cgf directly
in the (already bootable) USB stick, as I have been able to do up to
webc-6.0 version. Am I right?

Besides that, the three fundamental things I would care to understand
are:

1) Manual change of the ".iso" into ".img" in the filename: is that a
correct way of proceeding?
2) Is it right that the bootable USB appears "hidden" and therefore
not automatically mounted?
3) Is it normal that live.cfg on the USB stick remains non-editable
even after mounting the hidden partition hosting it?

I hope my question make some sense, since - as I wrote some other
times, and as it probably shows - I am very far from being a guru in
this field.

Thanks.
E.

joseph gunn

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Mar 12, 2010, 4:07:11 PM3/12/10
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Just taking some guesses with this.

one of the ways that may be used to create a multi-boot image would be to "partition" the image into different filesystems.
If you feel like experimenting you can poke at the image with parted and the offset of the mount command.
This may allow you to get to the image you need to update the appropriate files.

just thinking...

Kai Hendry

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Mar 14, 2010, 6:03:43 AM3/14/10
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On 12 March 2010 21:00, Ettore Himself <ettore...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is much more cumbersome than simply editing the live.cgf directly
> in the (already bootable) USB stick, as I have been able to do up to
> webc-6.0 version. Am I right?

You're right. I am not keen to carry on building the USB image tbh, I
prefer the similar single image option.

> 1) Manual change of the ".iso" into ".img" in the filename: is that a
> correct way of proceeding?

Unnecessary. You can dd the 6.1 iso directly.

> 2) Is it right that the bootable USB appears "hidden" and therefore
> not automatically mounted?

I can mount it in Linux, though I can't change live.cfg. I don't know
how it appears in Windows.

> 3) Is it normal that live.cfg on the USB stick remains non-editable
> even after mounting the hidden partition hosting it?

Yes, unfortunately.


Kind regards,

GMF

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Mar 15, 2010, 6:45:53 AM3/15/10
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On Mar 14, 11:03 am, Kai Hendry <hen...@webconverger.com> wrote:

> On 12 March 2010 21:00, Ettore Himself <ettorehims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is much more cumbersome than simply editing the live.cgf directly
> > in the (already bootable) USB stick, as I have been able to do up to
> > webc-6.0 version. Am I right?
>
> You're right. I am not keen to carry on building the USB image tbh, I
> prefer the similar single image option.

After some tests with different systems (Debian, Ubuntu & Windows) I
did not manage to boot from an usb-stick prepared with the hybrid-iso.
Therefore I changed in my building environment the option to -b usb-
hdd and pushed the *.img onto the usb-stick. This worked fine for me.

> > 1) Manual change of the ".iso" into ".img" in the filename: is that a
> > correct way of proceeding?
>
> Unnecessary. You can dd the 6.1 iso directly.

Didn´t work for me. Booting from a stick after dd the *.6.1.iso onto
an usb-stick does not work when I use the howto (http://
webconverger.org/usb/).

> > 2) Is it right that the bootable USB appears "hidden" and therefore
> > not automatically mounted?
>
> I can mount it in Linux, though I can't change live.cfg. I don't know
> how it appears in Windows.

Under Windows the whole stick is unreadable.

Greez, GMF

Kai Hendry

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Mar 15, 2010, 7:03:38 AM3/15/10
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hmmm, one step forward and two steps back.


dd-ing this iso-hybrid and booting an EEEPC works for me. How exactly
and version of dd etc. are you using to dd the 6.1 image to USB stick?

Alternativ

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Mar 16, 2010, 3:42:06 AM3/16/10
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Hi Kai-Hendry,
I can confirm this Problem. Copy 6.1 with dd leads to an unreadable
USB Stick in Windows and won´t boot at all from any Machine I have
here.

Message has been deleted

GMF

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Mar 22, 2010, 7:04:29 PM3/22/10
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Finally tested some things:

Test #1:
1. Downloaded webc-6.0.img
2. transfered the image with 'dd' (debian) onto the stick
3. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
4. booting webconverger without any problems

Test #2:
1. transfered the image with 'physdiskwrite' (windows) onto the stick
3. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
4. booting webconverger without any problems

Test #3:
1. Downloaded webc-6.1.iso
2. transfered the image with 'dd' (debian) onto the same stick
3. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
4. trying to boot from this stick is followed by this message:
isolinux.bin missing or corrupt.

Test #4:
1. Downloaded webc-6.1.iso
2. transfered the image with 'dd' (windows) onto the same stick
3. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
4. trying to boot from this stick is followed by this message:
isolinux.bin missing or corrupt.

Test #5:
1. Downloaded webc-6.1.iso
2. changed the extension (ISO) to IMG
3. transfered the image with 'Win32 Image Writer' onto the stick
2. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
3. trying to boot from this stick is followed by this message:
isolinux.bin missing or corrupt.

Test #6:
1. building my own webc-6.1 (http://webconverger.org/develop/)
2. changed in auto/config to '-b usb-hdd'
3. transfered the image with 'dd' (debian) onto the stick
4. plugged the stick in the Test-PC
5. booting webconverger without any problems

Version-Infos:
debian: dd (coreutils) 6.10
windows: rawwrite dd for windows version 0.5.
physdiskwrite v0.5.2

dd-commands:
debian: dd if=webc-6.1.iso of=/dev/sdb
windows: dd if=webc-6.1.iso of=\\.f: --progress
physdiskwrite -d 1 webc-6.1.iso

My next step would be to make some changes to live.cfg on the stick
from test #6.

Greez, GMF

joseph gunn

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Mar 23, 2010, 12:51:47 AM3/23/10
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Just a point of curiosity here, if you may.

What is the bios on that machine?

thanks
Joe

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:02 PM, GMF <g...@bitchcop.de> wrote:
from test #5.

Greez, GMF

Kai Hendry

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Mar 23, 2010, 6:12:35 AM3/23/10
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Thank you for taking the time to do the research!

On 22 March 2010 23:02, GMF <g...@bitchcop.de> wrote:
> 4. trying to boot from this stick is followed by this message:
>   isolinux.bin missing or corrupt.

A customer has informed me he edits the ISO-hybrid flashed USB stick
like so to get it working:

# more syslinux/syslinux*
include menu.cfg
default /syslinux/vesamenu.c32


Can you confirm this?

Michael Steinböck

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Mar 23, 2010, 6:08:29 AM3/23/10
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for me it was easier to use the fedora usb-utility:

https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.9.1-setup.exe

then change the word isolinux to syslinux in syslinux/syslinux.cfg
directly on the usb-stick

default /syslinux/vesamenu.c32


Michael

GMF

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Mar 25, 2010, 3:13:09 PM3/25/10
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On Mar 23, 5:51 am, joseph gunn <armadefu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a point of curiosity here, if you may.
>
> What is the bios on that machine?
>
> thanks
> Joe

My test-PC:
Mainboard: Intel Desktop Board D865GVHZ
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3GHz
RAM: 1,5 GB DDR400
Bios: BF86510A.86A.0061.P17

Greez, GMF

GMF

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Mar 25, 2010, 3:48:31 PM3/25/10
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???
I really don´t know what I have to do with these commands.

When I flash an usb-stick with the original webc-6.1.iso it shows up
like this:

ifos-debian:/media/Webconverger 20100221-13:16# ls -la
insgesamt 30
dr-xr-xr-x 7 gmf root 2048 21. Feb 13:22 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 25. Mär 20:43 ..
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 60 21. Feb 13:16 autorun.bat
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 29 21. Feb 13:16 autorun.inf
dr-xr-xr-x 2 gmf root 2048 21. Feb 13:22 .disk
dr-xr-xr-x 3 gmf root 4096 21. Feb 13:22 doc
dr-xr-xr-x 3 gmf root 2048 21. Feb 13:22 install
dr-xr-xr-x 2 gmf root 4096 21. Feb 13:22 isolinux
dr-xr-xr-x 2 gmf root 2048 21. Feb 13:22 live
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 4277 21. Feb 13:22 md5sum.txt
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 814 21. Feb 13:16 README.html
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 547 21. Feb 13:16 README.txt
-r--r--r-- 1 gmf root 1903 21. Feb 13:16 style.css

There is no syslinux. So please can you tell me more detailed how I
should use your commands?

Greez, GMF

joseph gunn

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Mar 25, 2010, 7:19:04 PM3/25/10
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Just a quick check but this bios is up to about 25 now.

Nothing i could see that would directly change the outcome of this problem, but a couple of things that _may_ help.

 http://downloadmirror.intel.com/10130/ENG/BF_P25_ReleaseNotes.pdf

GMF

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Mar 26, 2010, 2:57:26 AM3/26/10
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On 26 Mrz., 00:19, joseph gunn <armadefu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:13 PM, GMF <g...@bitchcop.de> wrote:
> > On Mar 23, 5:51 am, joseph gunn <armadefu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just a point of curiosity here, if you may.
>
> > > What is the bios on that machine?
>
> > > thanks
> > > Joe
>
> > My test-PC:
> > Mainboard: Intel Desktop Board D865GVHZ
> > CPU:       Intel Pentium 4 3GHz
> > RAM:       1,5 GB DDR400
> > Bios:      BF86510A.86A.0061.P17
>
> Just a quick check but this bios is up to about 25 now.
>
> Nothing i could see that would directly change the outcome of this problem,
> but a couple of things that _may_ help.
>
>  http://downloadmirror.intel.com/10130/ENG/BF_P25_ReleaseNotes.pdf
Thanks for this tip.

A report follows when bios is up to date.

Greez, GMF

GMF

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Apr 4, 2010, 5:07:56 AM4/4/10
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Hi Michael,
thanks for this great link.

Flashing the usb-stick with the fedora-tool and changing 'default /
syslinux/vesamenu.c32' worked like a charm.

The only problem I still have is to change the contend of the iso-
file, flash the changed iso-file onto an usb-stick and booting from
it.
But this problem is still discussed in an other thread here.

Sorry for the delay but I`m very busy these days...

Greez GMF

On Mar 23, 12:08 pm, Michael Steinböck <michael.steinbo...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> for me it was easier to use the fedora usb-utility:
>

> https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator...

GMF

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Hi Joseph,
I did a bios update. Unfortunately nothing changed but the tip from
Michael helped.

Greez, GMF

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Tyler - Old Town Computers

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Apr 6, 2010, 4:18:44 PM4/6/10
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Just saw the update to the USB procedure at webconverger.com/usb,
which is working for me. Thanks to Joseph, GMF, and Kai most of all.
Next time I have a client that needs this, I'll send you some
customization biz ;-)
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