Re: Open means OpenWeb 2open slots scheduling
Nate Westheimer
Let's see if I can address some of this.
First of all, notice that there are 18 slots still remaining to
present in the Web2Open. Each morning, we will open the "grid" -- just
like BarCamp -- and invite people to post presentations ideas up on
the schedule. This is one of the more interesting and most loved parts
of unconferences... as it's where people share ideas and sort out
which sessions can be combined, etc.
As for pre-programming, let me assure you no one got bribed! In fact,
I'm a volunteer and not getting paid one cent to do all this
organization (maybe this explains some of the disorganization?!).
The protocol for getting a pre-programmed slot was blogged about
several times leading up to this week (see the Web 2.0 Expo blog in
July):
http://blog.web2expo.com/2008/07/web2open-expos-on-site-unconference/
Those interested in preprogramed slots have been in contact with the
organizers for months.
Bonnie, we're pleased to have you volunteering and hope these opinions
don't mean you won't. However, this event has been in planning for
months and we've been in communication with folks about it for months
as well. It's tough to process this feedback now only a few days
before the event when there was so much time to get your voice heard
leading up to it.
See you soon,
Nate
On Sep 15, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Bonnie Sandy wrote:
> I have to ask ths community what exactly is meant by Open and what is
> not only expected by falls within the confines of Open
> "unconferences" Web 2open has been toured as the unconference track
> of the Web 2.0 conference. I hav egained a lot from the NextNy
> community as well as the Unconference style and decided to volunteer
> and finally Even 'speak"
> the directions pointed to discussion vein on crowdvine however there
> is no formal process. just a lot of interesting conversation on topics
> some of which id like to attend. In preparing my schedule.
> I am familiar with the Barcamp format where sessions are scheduled on
> sits as well as the podcamp format where everyone is given an
> opportunity to pre-schedule.
>
> i have been looking for such a process especially when saw pre-
> scheduled sessions. I thought I had missed them and sent an email
> submission as a volunteer manning booths I will not be able to stand
> and negotiate a last minute slot. Since I am volunteering manning the
> booths as session scheduling is difficult as you know. to set up a
> session
>
> Now I can still electronically schedule my volunteer slot but I cannot
> submit a discussion. I noticed two session for Fashion 2.0 and emailed
> the organizer to see if i could fill in the slot without a designated
> speaker.
>
> I was informed that fashion 2.0 had been planning their session for
> weeks. There are actually two session scheduled for one presentation
> that does not seem very open or democratic. I have noticed other
> discussions asking the question " who does one have to Bribe" this
> indicates their is a notion of an unfair process!
>
> Fashion 2.0 runs a very tight scheduled workshop that does not leave
> room for the exploration of the business end of design. I actually
> changed my schedule to attend and support Fashion 2.0 but there focus
> is more retails and journalism as opposed to design. and the creative
> and business aspects. Simply out of courtesy I do not expect to divert
> their track.
>
> To say that I am very disappointed. is an understatement
> Open means open. I am volunteering to support a community and a
> movement not a select few.
>
>
> Can someone explain
> What is preventing Electrical submissions.of time slots and if
> session were pre-scheduled then everyone should have been given equal
> opportunity to post their sessions. I even noticed a joking reference
> in another discussion as to who one has to "bribe" to get a slot
>
> this is NextNY Web2.0 degital and electronic... I can schedule to
> volunteer yet i cannot schedule a session .
> Seriously...
> Just Seems like the old way of doing business.
janetti chon
As one of the official organizers of the Web 2.0 Expo New York, and thereby Web2Open, I have to agree with Nate's answer on this.
We've been very transparent that we will be pre-scheduling a select amount of talks based on postings and feedback on Crowdvine.
Our conference co-chair Brady Forrest and I conferred that in order to help promote the great effort we're creating around Open, that it would be nice to have some sessions set so people who don't understand what an 'unconference' is can get a feel for the type of programming that goes on.
The pre-scheduled follow up sessions to the Hybrids are important as they allow Open registrants (who don't pay) to attend official conference sessions. And those sessions are chosen bc the speakers want to continue the dialogue in Open.
We take a lot of pride in curating solid content for our conference and that includes the efforts we put toward Web2Open.
All of our actions are transparent and shared with our community.
Thanks,
~ Janetti
Community Manager
Bonnie Sandy Sterling
I am not questioning intent. I am questioning process as it relates to the core principles of "unconferncing and Open". i understand "curating" , One may even argue that the concept of curating goes against the core philosophy of "unconferencing"
It is possible to curate in an open fashion, It would have been possible given the present teechnology to curate , source that qualiy of programming, consistent with your brand in an "open" fashion.
Is it possible to preschedle an "unconference or not?
in fact one of my arguments is that if prescheduling was a concern, the entire Web2open segment should have been prescheduled in an "open" fashion.
It is not a criticism, unfortunately we live in a time when people are afraid to ask questions for fear of offending. I was and still am confused. We use Buzz words for marketing and branding, but the lack of consistency is confusing. What i was and still am asking for is dialog and clarification on the very premis of what we are celebrating.
If the organisers wanted free session to accomadate those who could not afford the conference then It should have been tagged "FREE"
I am learning a lot about the emerging technology from this group f, I thught I understood "open" and "unconferencing' now I am not so sure. My core question has not been answered What does the "open " process mean and how was ir executed in the seection of speakers in The Pre- scheduled session.
I now have a new question
Are Pre Scheduled Sessions of this type in sync wih the "unconference" Philosophy?
How Important is the posting of session on the wall, will it change the core value of the concept to do so digitally?
What then sets an unconference apart from a regular conference, Is it simply the fact that it is free?
What sets Web2open apart from BOF Sessions?
It was pointed out that a call was made, it may be that the lingo used was specific to the tech community, I double checked and did not notice any such call.
PodcampNYC had an entirely pre-scheduled, very open event. As speakers were added they were posted, calls were posted. Even Sessions with specially invited speakers were posted early enough for dialogue.
Please be patient with my desire for clarification, I stand and explain these concepts to my son and my community, I really need to be sure I undertand these new concepts before I speak on them.
I understand you would be busy in the next couple of days but I really would like the concept of "unconference and "open" clarified!
janett...@gmail.com
~ Janetti
~ Janetti
From: "Bonnie Sandy Sterling" <atogu...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:37:13 -0400
To: janetti chon<janett...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Open means OpenWeb 2open slots scheduling