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WBWC message: Bikers and walkers need to show up and express their support for
the improvements being considered for bikers and walkers in both projects.
Remember these meetings are generally very poorly attended, so your voice is
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please be there to remind MDOT that the addition of bike lanes is valued. It not
only benefits cyclists, but it also calms traffic and provides a safer traveling
environment for everyone!
Info from MDOT: Public information meeting to discuss improvements on I-94
Business
Loop (BL) between I-94 and Main Street in Ann Arbor scheduled for
2013. Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) officials will
present plans for a possible four lane-to-three lane conversion of I-94 BL
(Jackson Street) between Dexter Avenue and Maple Street. MDOT will
make a brief presentation at the beginning of the meeting on the lane
conversion proposal before taking comments from the public.
CONTACT: Kari Arend, MDOT Office of Communications, 517-750-0406
are...@michigan.gov Special accommodations: 810-227-4681
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Please show-up or send a note in support of this project! Thanks!School, 1019 W. Washington Ave., Ann Arbor--
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the improvements being considered for bikers and walkers in both projects.
Remember these meetings are generally very poorly attended, so your voice is
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please be there to remind MDOT that the addition of bike lanes is valued. It not
only benefits cyclists, but it also calms traffic and provides a safer traveling
environment for everyone!
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Now however, the road is in such horrible condition, it is almost impossible to ride safely. Taking a full lane is about the only safe alternative today; the proposed changes will greatly enhance cycling safety,
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I have one. See attached photo.
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Dave Askins
Editor, The Ann Arbor Chronicle
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Member of the Michigan Press Association
Conditions of bike lanes and their pavements is an issue that comes up from time to time. The city maintains several mechanisms to have bike lane issues reported. The first is the online Citizen Request System accessed via the City’s web site. The URL for the citizen request system is: http://www.a2gov.org/government/publicservices/customerservice/Pages/OnlineCustomerServiceRequest.aspx
Although the pull down menu does not include an item for bike lane issues, if you select “pothole” on the pull down menu and provide details in the space provided, your request will be received by the appropriate staff. Another way is to report issues is to call the pot hole hotline at 734.99holes. You will access a voicemail box where you can leave information about the issue. That voicemail box is checked daily. Another mechanism is to send me an email or call me. I am happy to serve the cycling community by reporting these issues to the proper folks to address. You wouldn’t want me out there fixing pavements, trust me.
As to the general condition of bicyclist’s needs versus automobile needs, we are well aware of the differences. Two years ago, city forces actually milled and repaved significant portions of the bike lane system during our street resurfacing program activities. This was based on our sensitivity to the cycling community. The edges of many streets, where cyclists travel, are out of the wheel path of cars and therefore are not the most important criteria for our general street resurfacing program. Given our interest in maintaining our bike lane system, we took the special measures to address these areas. If there are again areas that need that type of pavement reconditioning, please let me know. Staff stands ready to make the improvements needed.
As to having a more systematic process, if the WBWC wants to schedule a ride around with me, as I have done that in the past, or just conduct your own analysis and share it with staff, that is welcomed as well.
I have been with the City for long enough to realize this issue continues to come up, but we are doing as much as we can – and in my opinion are doing a decent job at providing a good bike lane system. Good, not perfect. For more details about our annual review we post the results of our, staff’s, annual inspection on the city’s website, the URL for our bicycling page is: http://www.a2gov.org/GOVERNMENT/PUBLICSERVICES/SYSTEMS_PLANNING/TRANSPORTATION/Pages/Bike.aspx The 2010 inventory is posted there. I hope to have the 2011 report compiled and posted shortly.
Respectfully provided,
Eli Cooper, AICP
Transportation Program Manager
City of Ann Arbor
From: wb...@googlegroups.com [mailto:wb...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Alman
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Subject: Re: [WBWC] Jackson Rd. Meeting tonight!
No disagreement at all Phil. I tend to think of my own riding experience, forgetting that when there is a marked bike lane or separate facility, novice or inexperienced riders will often assume it is perfectly safe to use them. This is of course, normally, not the case, for exactly the reasons you cite.
I attended most of the meeting and spoke as did many others. I estimated
there were about 40 people there.
The plan, assuming it stays unchanged, is to repave from 1rst to Webers,
and do a road diet on the stretch from Jackson to Dexter. They are only
considering a road diet on this section, because that's the only section
with a traffic count under 20,000. The actual traffic count is 15,500.
They don't need a public meeting for under 15,000. They do need a public
meeting for 15,000 to 20,000. They can't do a road diet over 20,000.
The roadway width is 40 feet. Currently they have that split up into 4
10-foot lanes. The plan is a 4-foot bike lane, 11 foot driving lane, 10
foot turn lane, 11 foot bike lane, 4-foot bike lane. In response to a
question about the bike lane being to narrow, they pointed out that they
would pave up to the curb and there would be no gutter, so it would
effectively be wider biking area than most bike lanes.
Suggestions brought up that they didn't appear to have considered:
1) Pedestrian islands. (This seems unlikely for now as they want to be
able to repaint to 4 lanes if it doesn't work.)
2) Permeable pavement. (This was a great, well researched comment by the
gentleman who made this point.)
3) Fixing the sidewalk issue on the north side of Jackson under 94.
(This seemed unlikely as they made a point about bridge piers and there
no being room. I think the city should really push them on this and see
if it's possible.)
4) Fixing the missing chunk of bike lane north of Webers.
5) If the road diet between Maple and Dexter slightly reduces traffic on
Huron between Dexter and 1st, could they also consider a road diet in
that stretch?
It wasn't clear if they would really consider these or not.
General tenor of the presentation:
1) Road diets work and don't cause significant congestion.
2) Crashes go down.
Supplementary comments from county and city officials
1) Road diets have worked out really well elsewhere. A lot of the
immediate concern goes away after skeptical people living on the street
see the result.
Problems with the presentation.
1) They kept talking about video in a way that suggested they had
actually put a camera out on the street. They eventually cleared this
up. They did traffic counts and modeled a video.
2) The video they did show was confusing in that it appeared to show
green traffic islands when actually that would just be the center lane
for an area with driveways, but no cross streets. They should fix the
software.
General tenor of the support:
1) Bikes have a right to use the road. This will help get bikes off the
sidewalks and onto the road for folks who are not comfortable taking the
lane, but are comfortable with bike lanes. (This was me.)
2) Drivers are crazy on this stretch, because it looks like a highway.
Road diets calm traffic and work.
3) The road is in terrible shape.
4) Road diets and bike lanes will improve the pedestrian experience.
5) It's not safe for kids to play in their front yard today.
General tenor of the concern:
1) I live on Jackson. I can see the backups are already worse then you
are modeling.
2) If the backups are worse, I'll never be able to back out of my driveway.
3) If the backups are worse, people will race through residential cut
streets and traffic will increase on Liberty / Dexter / Miller.
4) All the other road diets given as examples weren't on major truck
routes. I'm worried the number of trucks will make this proposal behave
differently.
5) There's a firestation and lots of ambulances. How will this work? (I
think this one was effectively addressed as a non-concern.)
General tenor of the opposition:
1) This is a truck route, a busy road, and lots of exhaust. Bikes should
use other roads and stay off this one.
2) Pedestrians should walk to the crosswalk at Maple and don't need
special accommodations like pedestrian islands. (I'm not sure if this
one was said publicly or just muttered. It was in response to comments
about kids from Slauson crossing Huron at non-crosswalk locations and to
get to the Vets pool.
Hopefully that characterizes the meeting accurately. Please weigh in if
you attended and have additions or corrections.
My suggestions to the city:
1) The city should push MDOT harder on fixing bike/ped access between
Maple and Webers and/or do some complementary projects at the same time.
2) The city should push MDOT harder on having a fixed timeframe for when
ped islands (such as one at the Vets pool, and one near Slausin) will be
evaluated. (2 years after completion?)
3) The city should push MDOT harder on having a fixed timeframe to
re-look at traffic counts between Dexter and 1rst and see if a road diet
(paint only) in that stretch is legal. (2 years after completion?)
4) The city should decide if we as a city are serious about permeable
pavement as a major tool in how we built major streets. If it's a good
idea, why not do it here? (I have no personal idea whether it is a good
idea or not, but the comment from the audience was very compelling.)
--Eric
MDOT made no implication about traffic shifting. My engineer's intuition (this is basically fluid dynamics) is that it should shift very slightly, but that's just a guess and not a very knowledgeable one.
Washington does not go all the way to Stadium so is not all that useful
as a bypass.
When I do take Jackson, the inhibition is the traffic that is too fast
and too impatient. I frequently get tailgated or inappropriately passed
(on the right, etc.) when I am going at speed limit or a couple of miles
faster. Some people seem to have a sense of entitlement to go much
faster than the posted speed. Another problem when driving in the
left-hand lane is the really fast traffic coming the other direction and
actually straying over the line at times. A third lane in the middle
would be a welcome relief from that.
On 2/17/2012 11:32 AM, Eric Boyd wrote:
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> MDOT made no implication about traffic shifting. My engineer's
> intuition (this is basically fluid dynamics) is that it should shift
> very slightly, but that's just a guess and not a very knowledgeable one.
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This is all speculation, but I think the only impact on the other streets would be during rush hour (fluid dynamics again). This is my side of town and I already cut down to Liberty via Seventh if I am going to any of the businesses near Liberty or south/east of the Liberty-Stadium intersection. The big inhibition is that awful Jackson-Maple intersection. I'll bet a lot of other people take Miller, Dexter or Liberty only when their itinerary takes them that way. For example, in order to access the Maple Village shopping center, it makes much more sense to use either Dexter or Miller (avoiding that awful intersection again).
Washington does not go all the way to Stadium so is not all that useful as a bypass.
When I do take Jackson, the inhibition is the traffic that is too fast and too impatient. I frequently get tailgated or inappropriately passed (on the right, etc.) when I am going at speed limit or a couple of miles faster. Some people seem to have a sense of entitlement to go much faster than the posted speed. Another problem when driving in the left-hand lane is the really fast traffic coming the other direction and actually straying over the line at times. A third lane in the middle would be a welcome relief from that.
On 2/17/2012 11:32 AM, Eric Boyd wrote:
MDOT made no implication about traffic shifting. My engineer's intuition (this is basically fluid dynamics) is that it should shift very slightly, but that's just a guess and not a very knowledgeable one.
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