So I just read this to my wife and here are her initial thoughts without
any input from me.
What was the reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his
truck and throwing rocks at the house. That was the same thought I had in
my head and I am sure that many share this sentiment! Maybe Terri will
share that since she included us into her life?
Rob Ramson
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Terri Nostrand <terri.nostr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Captain Solberg,
> A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak
> knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of
> people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her
> and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife
> out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because
> the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
> rocks at our house.
> When the cops showed they initially didn't believe my husband that the
> girl had a knife. They searched her and found it in her possession. They
> spoke to her, but did not detain or arrest her. Please help me understand
> why police found someone with a concealed weapon, menacing and defacing
> someone's private property and they just released her like that? Or a large
> group of them threatening us and stoning our house and they just told them
> to move along?
> I came home with my young children in the middle of the police speaking
> with the girl. I was verbally accosted while I shuffled my kids into the
> house. The advice I was given was to not engage with them so that it
> doesn't escalate. I simply came home and was called all sorts of racial
> slurs- all in front of the cops. I don't know how I can do less to engage
> that just quickly walking into my house. We have a mob of youth that
> essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon
> and what are we supposed to do about it? We were told to call if they do it
> again. I guess we just wait until things get "really" dangerous?
> Having witnessed the tail end and hearing about the weapon my children are
> now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell me
> so that I can give them an answer?
Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY?
Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
- "*We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted**,* were in
possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do
about it?"
Are they all "Crazy"?
-* "while waiting for the police to show*, things got uglier because the
group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
rocks at our house".
Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive -
they usually run!!
- "my children are now asking me *why bad people don't get in trouble*. Can
you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can answer
that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she did. I
know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really ask your
husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our house
stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be asking
me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to tell her
kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her husband did
something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell her kids
about what their Daddy did.
But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that the
husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us will
leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all crazy.
Rob
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall
<shannon.hu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray has
> to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in a
> way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the
> protection we've been promised/paid for.
> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have
> the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
> disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that
> they would be equally appalled.
> I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband was
> not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be
> alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed
> weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?
> I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement officers
> in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have serious
> doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I do have
> faith that a large majority know how to conduct their jobs with the upmost
> professionalism.
> Sadly, you have to make the instant decision to get your kids in the
> house safely, or confront them. Of course you are going into your house,
> but in doing so, you expect the DCPD to resolve the matter with appropriate
> discipline.
> Even MY MOTHER would have disciplined me with greater intensity (MUCH MORE
> INTENSITY) than it seems like the officers did in this case, with these
> offenders.
> I hate that I have to consider a mindset of "protection" from my neighbors
> rather than the enjoyment of meeting and socializing with all of them. Who
> would be comfortable with that if they hear that police are called, yet the
> officers do more to excuse bad behavior than they do to to deter a pack
> mentality that forces needless destruction and intimidation onto neighbors
> for whom they likely do not even know?
> So sorry to hear Terry, and please keep us updated as this evolves.
> Thankful that your family is safe.
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobs...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> **
>> Sounds pretty scary! What part of the neighborhood did this occur?
>> Brookland hardware sells pepper spray; you and your husband might consider
>> buying a can or two.
>> Best Regards,
>> Derek Swanson
>> On Irving
>> Sent from mobile phone.
>> On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Terri Nostrand <terri.nostr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Captain Solberg,
>> A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak
>> knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of
>> people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her
>> and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife
>> out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because
>> the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>> rocks at our house.
>> When the cops showed they initially didn't believe my husband that the
>> girl had a knife. They searched her and found it in her possession. They
>> spoke to her, but did not detain or arrest her. Please help me understand
>> why police found someone with a concealed weapon, menacing and defacing
>> someone's private property and they just released her like that? Or a large
>> group of them threatening us and stoning our house and they just told them
>> to move along?
>> I came home with my young children in the middle of the police speaking
>> with the girl. I was verbally accosted while I shuffled my kids into the
>> house. The advice I was given was to not engage with them so that it
>> doesn't escalate. I simply came home and was called all sorts of racial
>> slurs- all in front of the cops. I don't know how I can do less to engage
>> that just quickly walking into my house. We have a mob of youth that
>> essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon
>> and what are we supposed to do about it? We were told to call if they do it
>> again. I guess we just wait until things get "really" dangerous?
>> Having witnessed the tail end and hearing about the weapon my children
>> are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell
>> me so that I can give them an answer?
Thanks for *now* *including that the husband may know something that he is
not telling.* Much appreciated.
Now as to your "succinct" way of expressing *"I know several DC law
enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect.
If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are
the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally
appalled"*, I can only surmise from this that you were referring to the
Officers Lack of "appropriate" response as to Terri's charge of no real
response/ramification of *someone having a "concealed weapon, stabbing a
vehicle and others stoning a house"*! *Everything* in what you said in
those two sentences had to *specifically/singularly do with the police's
reaction* (inclusive to "and with no disrespect"), *your support of the
existence of good policing (thank you*) and Terri version of the Knife,
rock racial slurs incident! *Nothing you said referenced the possibility
that her husband may know something that he is not telling! *
The word "Version" in your statement *references the one side* and only
those events listed by Terri actually taking place. So you know, by
definition (see below)
*Version* | Define *Version* at
Dictionary.com<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/version>
dictionary.reference.com/browse/*version*
a particular account of some matter, as from one person or source,
contrasted with some other account: two different *versions* of the
accident.
My apologies for not being as *SUCCINCT* as you but as this "drug dealing "
"monkey" swings on the education vine, my brain is obviously not fully
evolved as yet to discern your abridged version of the English Language.
Today, I only able to read Babboonese. Orangatanese, Gorrillese, and other
related dialects so forgive me if I read what was written and not your
mind! My mistake as I should have recognized and adjusted.
Now, as to the location -* it occurred around 10th and Evarts. *
It is a shame that *NOW*, we have neighbors concerned about an angry Mob of
Rock Throwers led by a 16 year old Girl with a knife who may be "going
through the neighborhood stabbing vehicles and throwing Rocks at White
People's houses. Had the story been written more fair that "........
incident happened to us and no real action taken by police on scene because
we were incorrectly blamed for .............. against the 16 year old Girl
wielding a knife", then the story becomes more believable. But Youth
sticking around for the cops to show, this just didn't add up with the
"innocent" way it was reported.
Like I explained today to someone, if this was a robbery or a break in or
something that is in the *obvious non-provoked category,* then I wouldn't
be asking those questions. So even though this could be non-provoked, it
seems strange. Anyone not on that wavelength of thought needs to align
their brain to default to finding out more and not automatically suggesting
"pepper spray" or becoming alarmed about a "mob" stabbing of their vehicle
and stoning their home!
Like I said, glad everyone is physically OK. It is quite possible that
this happened with no provocation but as I initially asked, *"What was the
reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his truck and
throwing rocks at the house"? "Maybe Terri will share that since she
included us into her life"?* *At least tell us what the accusation was if
there was one?* Crucify me for wanting to know if there are missing
variables to the story!!
Last, remember me telling everyone that we need to fully focus our
infrastructure on creating an educational/recreational/job environment to
encourage our youth/returning citizens to be able to at least understand
Geometry and Algebra on their way to being able to be qualified to earn a
decent wage; increasing pride and being able to provide for their family.
These types of reactions will be at an increased occurrence when the brain
is less functional from lack of education and opportunity (obviously not to
say that educated minds don't get to this level of anger as well). At
least, let's focus on lowering the Ratio of occurrence.
Rob Ramson
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Shannon Marshall
<shannon.hu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included a
> caveat in my post.
> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have
> the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
> disrespect) *if these are the actual version of events*, I assure you
> that they would be equally appalled.
> It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does
> leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling
> just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20
> others are just all crazy."
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Shannon,
>> Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY?
>> Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
>> - "*We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted**,* were in
>> possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do
>> about it?"
>> Are they all "Crazy"?
>> -* "while waiting for the police to show*, things got uglier because the
>> group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>> rocks at our house".
>> Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive
>> - they usually run!!
>> - "my children are now asking me *why bad people don't get in trouble*.
>> Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can
>> answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she
>> did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really
>> ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our
>> house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be
>> asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to
>> tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her
>> husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell
>> her kids about what their Daddy did.
>> But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that
>> the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us
>> will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all
>> crazy.
>> Rob
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall <
>> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> **
>>> I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray
>>> has to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in
>>> a way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the
>>> protection we've been promised/paid for.
>>> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I
>>> have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
>>> disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that
>>> they would be equally appalled.
>>> I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband
>>> was not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be
>>> alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed
>>> weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?
>>> I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement
>>> officers in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have
>>> serious doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I
>>> do have faith that a large majority know how to conduct their jobs with the
>>> upmost professionalism.
>>> Sadly, you have to make the instant decision to get your kids in the
>>> house safely, or confront them. Of course you are going into your house,
>>> but in doing so, you expect the DCPD to resolve the matter with appropriate
>>> discipline.
>>> Even MY MOTHER would have disciplined me with greater intensity (MUCH
>>> MORE INTENSITY) than it seems like the officers did in this case, with
>>> these offenders.
>>> I hate that I have to consider a mindset of "protection" from my
>>> neighbors rather than the enjoyment of meeting and socializing with all of
>>> them. Who would be comfortable with that if they hear that police are
>>> called, yet the officers do more to excuse bad behavior than they do to
>>> to deter a pack mentality that forces needless destruction and intimidation
>>> onto neighbors for whom they likely do not even know?
>>> So sorry to hear Terry, and please keep us updated as this evolves.
>>> Thankful that your family is safe.
>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobs...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> **
>>>> Sounds pretty scary! What part of the neighborhood did this occur?
>>>> Brookland hardware sells pepper spray; you and your husband might consider
>>>> buying a can or two.
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Derek Swanson
>>>> On Irving
>>>> Sent from mobile phone.
>>>> On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Terri Nostrand <terri.nostr...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Captain Solberg,
>>>> A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak
>>>> knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of
>>>> people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her
>>>> and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife
>>>> out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because
>>>> the group started to swell in size to about 20
It is too bad that your comment is all that you can get out of my
statement. Not even a pretty intelligent/articulate or hmm, that was on
point, or that seems fair!!
Anyways, to your "glass house" comment, I know that you and so many others
might be draped in "white" and winged from the back of your neck to your
calves, but some of us have made some mistakes and have a few dings. I
have made my mistakes in life but trust and believe that you would want me
around if you were getting attacked on the internet or in person.
The one thing I am absolutely proud of is the person that has emerged with
the grace of Our God. The one thing you can't take from me is that and my
fairness, my kindness, etc. with all. Trust and believe that if people
don't heed my statements and direction (for those who have your own selfish
agenda), the next 20 years will be worse and people don't come back from
the types of crimes that will be on the rise - but you won't figure that
out until something happens to you or someone close to you! The kind of
stuff that makes Magic become the face of HIV Virus or something similiar!
Yep! I hope to still be around to see you jump on the Bandwagon to free
Our Kids from Bondage!!
So you know, I am slowly replacing all glass with Bricks of Ethics and
writing a educational guide as I go along. Hopefully before I die, I will
get that glass pane replacement complete! In the meantime, I will continue
to T.U.G at everyone who needs T.U.G.ging at.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of throwing stones, people who live in glass houses should not do
> so.
> Best Regards,
> Derek Swanson
> Irving st
> Sent from mobile phone.
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Shannon,
> Thanks for *now* *including that the husband may know something that he
> is not telling.* Much appreciated.
> Now as to your "succinct" way of expressing *"I know several DC law
> enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect.
> If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are
> the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally
> appalled"*, I can only surmise from this that you were referring to the
> Officers Lack of "appropriate" response as to Terri's charge of no real
> response/ramification of *someone having a "concealed weapon, stabbing a
> vehicle and others stoning a house"*! *Everything* in what you said in
> those two sentences had to *specifically/singularly do with the police's
> reaction* (inclusive to "and with no disrespect"), *your support of the
> existence of good policing (thank you*) and Terri version of the Knife,
> rock racial slurs incident! *Nothing you said referenced the possibility
> that her husband may know something that he is not telling! *
> The word "Version" in your statement *references the one side* and only
> those events listed by Terri actually taking place. So you know, by
> definition (see below)
> *Version* | Define *Version* at Dictionary.com<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/version>
> dictionary.reference.com/browse/*version*
> a particular account of some matter, as from one person or source,
> contrasted with some other account: two different *versions* of the
> accident.
> My apologies for not being as *SUCCINCT* as you but as this "drug dealing
> " "monkey" swings on the education vine, my brain is obviously not fully
> evolved as yet to discern your abridged version of the English Language.
> Today, I only able to read Babboonese. Orangatanese, Gorrillese, and other
> related dialects so forgive me if I read what was written and not your
> mind! My mistake as I should have recognized and adjusted.
> Now, as to the location -* it occurred around 10th and Evarts. *
> It is a shame that *NOW*, we have neighbors concerned about an angry Mob
> of Rock Throwers led by a 16 year old Girl with a knife who may be "going
> through the neighborhood stabbing vehicles and throwing Rocks at White
> People's houses. Had the story been written more fair that "........
> incident happened to us and no real action taken by police on scene because
> we were incorrectly blamed for .............. against the 16 year old Girl
> wielding a knife", then the story becomes more believable. But Youth
> sticking around for the cops to show, this just didn't add up with the
> "innocent" way it was reported.
> Like I explained today to someone, if this was a robbery or a break in or
> something that is in the *obvious non-provoked category,* then I wouldn't
> be asking those questions. So even though this could be non-provoked, it
> seems strange. Anyone not on that wavelength of thought needs to align
> their brain to default to finding out more and not automatically suggesting
> "pepper spray" or becoming alarmed about a "mob" stabbing of their vehicle
> and stoning their home!
> Like I said, glad everyone is physically OK. It is quite possible that
> this happened with no provocation but as I initially asked, *"What was
> the reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his truck and
> throwing rocks at the house"? "Maybe Terri will share that since she
> included us into her life"?* *At least tell us what the accusation was
> if there was one?* Crucify me for wanting to know if there are missing
> variables to the story!!
> Last, remember me telling everyone that we need to fully focus our
> infrastructure on creating an educational/recreational/job environment to
> encourage our youth/returning citizens to be able to at least understand
> Geometry and Algebra on their way to being able to be qualified to earn a
> decent wage; increasing pride and being able to provide for their family.
> These types of reactions will be at an increased occurrence when the brain
> is less functional from lack of education and opportunity (obviously not to
> say that educated minds don't get to this level of anger as well). At
> least, let's focus on lowering the Ratio of occurrence.
> Rob Ramson
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Shannon Marshall <
> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included a
>> caveat in my post.
>> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I
>> have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
>> disrespect) *if these are the actual version of events*, I assure you
>> that they would be equally appalled.
>> It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does
>> leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling
>> just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20
>> others are just all crazy."
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Shannon,
>>> Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY?
>>> Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
>>> - "*We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted**,* were in
>>> possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do
>>> about it?"
>>> Are they all "Crazy"?
>>> -* "while waiting for the police to show*, things got uglier because
>>> the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>>> rocks at our house".
>>> Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive
>>> - they usually run!!
>>> - "my children are now asking me *why bad people don't get in trouble*.
>>> Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can
>>> answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she
>>> did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really
>>> ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our
>>> house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be
>>> asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to
>>> tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her
>>> husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell
>>> her kids about what their Daddy did.
>>> But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that
>>> the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us
>>> will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all
>>> crazy.
>>> Rob
>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall <
>>> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> **
>>>> I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray
>>>> has to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in
>>>> a way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the
>>>> protection we've been promised/paid for.
>>>> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I
>>>> have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
>>>> disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that
>>>> they would be equally appalled.
>>>> I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband
>>>> was not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be
>>>> alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed
>>>> weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?
>>>> I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement
>>>> officers in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have
>>>> serious doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I
>>>> do have
You sound really *challenged* here. Is there a group of (20) White youth
running around throwing rocks at a house and a White 16 year old Girl
Stabbing a Truck saying racial slurs on 10th and Evarts? Am I missing
something or you just clueless? And if it was White 16 year old girl, I am
willing to bet that many of you would be asking the same question that was
brought up and that I initially asked!!
A. And by the way a "drug dealer" and the rest of crap is what some idiots
in this community have been calling me for 3 years.
B. And a "Monkey" is a primate closely related to a human that has not
evolved into a HUMAN. And if I/We allow these same neighborly neighbors
of mine/ours along with some of the "progressive newcomers" have us
believe, many of us are "too stupid"/not evolved to figure out anything for
ourselves.
A+B=C
C. That's being a "Drug Dealing Monkey" is!!! - at least that is what you
and the rest would like everyone to believe of me! Well, I don't sit around
and scratch my head and my a** and look to you or ones like you for
direction. I ain't the one and I won't allow your brainwashing to occur
and there is a lots of us over here who are very intelligent as well who
thinks that something might be missing from the report so far!
Why don't you dispute my diagnosis of your flawed writing so that you can
send me another "Caveat" that doesn't exist!!
Rob
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Shannon Marshall
<shannon.hu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> This response lacks any sort of constructive contribution to the original
> issue.
> You mention several times how proud you are of your fairness and kindness.
> Though throughout this thread, you are the one that has introduced
> comments like "drug dealing monkey" and that people are only now paying
> attention because mobs of teenagers are throwing rocks at White people's
> houses. I don't know the people involved in this incident, so I couldn't
> comment on the race of either.
> It stood out to me that you brought that into your argument, for which, I
> could only conclude that you must know Terri, since she was the plaintiff
> and it was her house hit with rocks. If you know her, why didn't you just
> ask her about the version of events? If you do not know her, why would you
> assume she is White?
> The rest of your email is basic gobbledygook, that I chose not to spend
> time deciphering. I don't even know what a "drug dealing monkey" is. So,
> per your example, I'll just look it up in the ol dictionary and post it
> somewhere for folks to reference.
> That said, I'll unsubscribe now to this posting, because it's gotten way
> off track. Terri, thank you very much for sharing and keeping us updated.
> I appreciate your sharing, and very happy that your family is safe. As
> with other posts shared by neighbors, I've learned new things, and
> appreciate the constructive conversation that helps us to make our
> community safer.
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Shannon,
>> Thanks for *now* *including that the husband may know something that he
>> is not telling.* Much appreciated.
>> Now as to your "succinct" way of expressing *"I know several DC law
>> enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect.
>> If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are
>> the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally
>> appalled"*, I can only surmise from this that you were referring to the
>> Officers Lack of "appropriate" response as to Terri's charge of no real
>> response/ramification of *someone having a "concealed weapon, stabbing a
>> vehicle and others stoning a house"*! *Everything* in what you said in
>> those two sentences had to *specifically/singularly do with the police's
>> reaction* (inclusive to "and with no disrespect"), *your support of the
>> existence of good policing (thank you*) and Terri version of the Knife,
>> rock racial slurs incident! *Nothing you said referenced the possibility
>> that her husband may know something that he is not telling! *
>> The word "Version" in your statement *references the one side* and only
>> those events listed by Terri actually taking place. So you know, by
>> definition (see below)
>> *Version* | Define *Version* at Dictionary.com<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/version>
>> dictionary.reference.com/browse/*version*
>> a particular account of some matter, as from one person or source,
>> contrasted with some other account: two different *versions* of the
>> accident.
>> My apologies for not being as *SUCCINCT* as you but as this "drug
>> dealing " "monkey" swings on the education vine, my brain is obviously not
>> fully evolved as yet to discern your abridged version of the English
>> Language. Today, I only able to read Babboonese. Orangatanese, Gorrillese,
>> and other related dialects so forgive me if I read what was written and not
>> your mind! My mistake as I should have recognized and adjusted.
>> Now, as to the location -* it occurred around 10th and Evarts. *
>> It is a shame that *NOW*, we have neighbors concerned about an angry Mob
>> of Rock Throwers led by a 16 year old Girl with a knife who may be "going
>> through the neighborhood stabbing vehicles and throwing Rocks at White
>> People's houses. Had the story been written more fair that "........
>> incident happened to us and no real action taken by police on scene because
>> we were incorrectly blamed for .............. against the 16 year old Girl
>> wielding a knife", then the story becomes more believable. But Youth
>> sticking around for the cops to show, this just didn't add up with the
>> "innocent" way it was reported.
>> Like I explained today to someone, if this was a robbery or a break in or
>> something that is in the *obvious non-provoked category,* then I
>> wouldn't be asking those questions. So even though this could be
>> non-provoked, it seems strange. Anyone not on that wavelength of thought
>> needs to align their brain to default to finding out more and not
>> automatically suggesting "pepper spray" or becoming alarmed about a "mob"
>> stabbing of their vehicle and stoning their home!
>> Like I said, glad everyone is physically OK. It is quite possible that
>> this happened with no provocation but as I initially asked, *"What was
>> the reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his truck and
>> throwing rocks at the house"? "Maybe Terri will share that since she
>> included us into her life"?* *At least tell us what the accusation was
>> if there was one?* Crucify me for wanting to know if there are missing
>> variables to the story!!
>> Last, remember me telling everyone that we need to fully focus our
>> infrastructure on creating an educational/recreational/job environment to
>> encourage our youth/returning citizens to be able to at least understand
>> Geometry and Algebra on their way to being able to be qualified to earn a
>> decent wage; increasing pride and being able to provide for their family.
>> These types of reactions will be at an increased occurrence when the brain
>> is less functional from lack of education and opportunity (obviously not to
>> say that educated minds don't get to this level of anger as well). At
>> least, let's focus on lowering the Ratio of occurrence.
>> Rob Ramson
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Shannon Marshall <
>> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included
>>> a caveat in my post.
>>> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I
>>> have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
>>> disrespect) *if these are the actual version of events*, I assure you
>>> that they would be equally appalled.
>>> It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does
>>> leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling
>>> just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20
>>> others are just all crazy."
>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Shannon,
>>>> Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY?
>>>> Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
>>>> - "*We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted**,* were in
>>>> possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do
>>>> about it?"
>>>> Are they all "Crazy"?
>>>> -* "while waiting for the police to show*, things got uglier because
>>>> the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>>>> rocks at our house".
>>>> Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to
>>>> arrive - they usually run!!
>>>> - "my children are now asking me *why bad people don't get in trouble*.
>>>> Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can
>>>> answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she
>>>> did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really
>>>> ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our
>>>> house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be
>>>> asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to
>>>> tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her
>>>> husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell
>>>> her kids about what their Daddy did.
>>>> But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that
>>>> the husband may know something that he is not telling just like
What difference does that Make to me and what I said? What am I missing
here. Can you give me a line that I have written that needs your validation
or you talking about you and your child's African American heritage. And
by the way, if Shannon is White - not because she is a mother of "part
African American child" is enough to validate her. Hell, if she is Black,
my words stand even harder!! But since you have described you and your
son, I am going to conclude that she must be White. Like I said, either or
What difference does that make to me. If you read my words, you will see
exactly what I am saying.
So you should get it - unless I and many of us in this community get
satisfactory information, we are not going to totally condemn the 16 year
old girl and the rock throwers other than agree that the knife aspect is
wrong. We are going to give her her RIGHTS like the POLICE did until there
is enough evidence. Hell if the husband did do or say something or have
been racist to the youth, I would understand why they threw the rocks at
him - doesn't make it right but I would understand the WHY of it. And that
is what I am and have been asking WHY did she do what she did?
By the way, not because one can trace their lineage back to kings, makes
you have the ability to rule. You telling me that you were African
American is almost enough to tell me that your lineage links back to* slaves
* - *not stopping at freed slaves.* But I guess that you wanted to share
how Black you are. Cool with me. My daughter is Black (African American
and East Indian) and she and I already have a grave site in a family
graveyard that is Circa 1760 - my African American Wife's family - so our
families have something in COMMON!! How about That!! But thanks for the
clarification - Maybe you can teach me something about this Freed Slave
stopping point of your lineage.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Eric Marshall <mshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob, my wife Shannon has been emailing with you. I am of African-American
> and Jewish decent. My ancestors can be traced back to freed slaves. I
> currently work at a civil rights organization and have dedicated my life to
> furthering the cause of racial justice. Again, Shannon, who you have been
> emailing with is my wife. Shannon's 20 month old daughter (my daughter),
> the one I don't get to see enough of because I spend well over 12 hours a
> day doing civil rights work, is part African-American.
> I just wanted to add some perspective because it appears you have jumped
> to a number of false conclusions. My wife and I are going to spare
> everybody else on this list any further back and forth and will not be
> responding further.
> Apologies to all on this list, but I felt the need to clarify things.
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You sound really *challenged* here. Is there a group of (20) White
>> youth running around throwing rocks at a house and a White 16 year old Girl
>> Stabbing a Truck saying racial slurs on 10th and Evarts? Am I missing
>> something or you just clueless? And if it was White 16 year old girl, I am
>> willing to bet that many of you would be asking the same question that was
>> brought up and that I initially asked!!
>> A. And by the way a "drug dealer" and the rest of crap is what some
>> idiots in this community have been calling me for 3 years.
>> B. And a "Monkey" is a primate closely related to a human that has not
>> evolved into a HUMAN. And if I/We allow these same neighborly neighbors
>> of mine/ours along with some of the "progressive newcomers" have us
>> believe, many of us are "too stupid"/not evolved to figure out anything for
>> ourselves.
>> A+B=C
>> C. That's being a "Drug Dealing Monkey" is!!! - at least that is what
>> you and the rest would like everyone to believe of me! Well, I don't sit
>> around and scratch my head and my a** and look to you or ones like you for
>> direction. I ain't the one and I won't allow your brainwashing to occur
>> and there is a lots of us over here who are very intelligent as well who
>> thinks that something might be missing from the report so far!
>> Why don't you dispute my diagnosis of your flawed writing so that you can
>> send me another "Caveat" that doesn't exist!!
>> Rob
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Shannon Marshall <
>> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This response lacks any sort of constructive contribution to the
>>> original issue.
>>> You mention several times how proud you are of your fairness and
>>> kindness. Though throughout this thread, you are the one that has
>>> introduced comments like "drug dealing monkey" and that people are only now
>>> paying attention because mobs of teenagers are throwing rocks at White
>>> people's houses. I don't know the people involved in this incident, so I
>>> couldn't comment on the race of either.
>>> It stood out to me that you brought that into your argument, for which,
>>> I could only conclude that you must know Terri, since she was the plaintiff
>>> and it was her house hit with rocks. If you know her, why didn't you just
>>> ask her about the version of events? If you do not know her, why would you
>>> assume she is White?
>>> The rest of your email is basic gobbledygook, that I chose not to spend
>>> time deciphering. I don't even know what a "drug dealing monkey" is. So,
>>> per your example, I'll just look it up in the ol dictionary and post it
>>> somewhere for folks to reference.
>>> That said, I'll unsubscribe now to this posting, because it's gotten way
>>> off track. Terri, thank you very much for sharing and keeping us updated.
>>> I appreciate your sharing, and very happy that your family is safe. As
>>> with other posts shared by neighbors, I've learned new things, and
>>> appreciate the constructive conversation that helps us to make our
>>> community safer.
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Shannon,
>>>> Thanks for *now* *including that the husband may know something that
>>>> he is not telling.* Much appreciated.
>>>> Now as to your "succinct" way of expressing *"I know several DC law
>>>> enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect.
>>>> If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are
>>>> the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally
>>>> appalled"*, I can only surmise from this that you were referring to
>>>> the Officers Lack of "appropriate" response as to Terri's charge of no real
>>>> response/ramification of *someone having a "concealed weapon, stabbing
>>>> a vehicle and others stoning a house"*! *Everything* in what you
>>>> said in those two sentences had to *specifically/singularly do with
>>>> the police's reaction* (inclusive to "and with no disrespect"), *your
>>>> support of the existence of good policing (thank you*) and Terri
>>>> version of the Knife, rock racial slurs incident! *Nothing you said
>>>> referenced the possibility that her husband may know something that he is
>>>> not telling! *
>>>> The word "Version" in your statement *references the one side* and
>>>> only those events listed by Terri actually taking place. So you know, by
>>>> definition (see below)
>>>> *Version* | Define *Version* at Dictionary.com<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/version>
>>>> dictionary.reference.com/browse/*version*
>>>> a particular account of some matter, as from one person or source,
>>>> contrasted with some other account: two different *versions* of the
>>>> accident.
>>>> My apologies for not being as *SUCCINCT* as you but as this "drug
>>>> dealing " "monkey" swings on the education vine, my brain is obviously not
>>>> fully evolved as yet to discern your abridged version of the English
>>>> Language. Today, I only able to read Babboonese. Orangatanese, Gorrillese,
>>>> and other related dialects so forgive me if I read what was written and not
>>>> your mind! My mistake as I should have recognized and adjusted.
>>>> Now, as to the location -* it occurred around 10th and Evarts. *
>>>> It is a shame that *NOW*, we have neighbors concerned about an angry
>>>> Mob of Rock Throwers led by a 16 year old Girl with a knife who may be
>>>> "going through the neighborhood stabbing vehicles and throwing Rocks at
>>>> White People's houses. Had the story been written more fair that "........
>>>> incident happened to us and no real action taken by police on scene because
>>>> we were incorrectly blamed for .............. against the 16 year old Girl
>>>> wielding a knife", then the story becomes more believable. But Youth
>>>> sticking around for the cops to show, this just didn't add up with the
>>>> "innocent" way it was reported.
>>>> Like I explained today to someone, if this was a robbery or a break in
>>>> or something that is in the *obvious non-provoked category,* then I
>>>> wouldn't be asking those questions. So even though this could be
>>>> non-provoked, it seems strange. Anyone not on that wavelength of thought
>>>> needs to align their brain to default to finding out more and not
>>>> automatically suggesting "pepper spray" or becoming alarmed about a "mob"
>>>> stabbing of their vehicle and stoning their home!
>>>> Like I said, glad everyone is physically OK. It is quite possible that
>>>> this happened with no provocation but as I initially asked, *"What was
>>>> the reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his truck and
>>>> throwing rocks at the house"? "Maybe Terri will share that since she
>>>> included us into her life"?* *At least tell us what the
1. You and maybe others actually think that I think that the husband or
this family DESERVES this type of behavior!! So, I will add that to the
list of things that I get blamed for!
2. You and others failure to want to believe that there could be an act of
some sort that this could have been a reaction to something - a bad
reaction, but a reaction never-the-less.
3. You and others sick idea that I blame the victim. Maybe you didn't
read properly, but burglary, robbery, and let me add rape, etc are non
instigated crimes. Something like this could have added variables.
But I want you to rephrase your question and ask Shannon Marshall the same
question that you are asking me as *she obviously admitted that the Husband
could have more to share.* Maybe the rest of you can ask her the same
question.
As to me accosting victims, I am glad that the family is safe but I still
wonder why this happened. If me asking questions is accosting, then the
police will be accosting soon to get to the bottom of it.
DON'T forget to ASK SHANNON the same question - be fair!!!
Rob
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Jessica Christy <jessicac7...@gmail.com>wrote:
> What could the husband possibly have even done to "deserve" this? Your
> blame the victim mentality does not help in any way. Please stop accosting
> people who are victims of crimes.
> Jessica on 17th
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Shannon Marshall <shannon.hu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included a
> caveat in my post.
> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have
> the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
> disrespect) *if these are the actual version of events*, I assure you
> that they would be equally appalled.
> It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does
> leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling
> just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20
> others are just all crazy."
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Shannon,
>> Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY?
>> Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
>> - "*We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted**,* were in
>> possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do
>> about it?"
>> Are they all "Crazy"?
>> -* "while waiting for the police to show*, things got uglier because the
>> group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>> rocks at our house".
>> Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive
>> - they usually run!!
>> - "my children are now asking me *why bad people don't get in trouble*.
>> Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can
>> answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she
>> did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really
>> ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our
>> house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be
>> asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to
>> tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her
>> husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell
>> her kids about what their Daddy did.
>> But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that
>> the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us
>> will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all
>> crazy.
>> Rob
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall <
>> shannon.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> **
>>> I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray
>>> has to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in
>>> a way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the
>>> protection we've been promised/paid for.
>>> I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I
>>> have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no
>>> disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that
>>> they would be equally appalled.
>>> I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband
>>> was not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be
>>> alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed
>>> weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?
>>> I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement
>>> officers in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have
>>> serious doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I
>>> do have faith that a large majority know how to conduct their jobs with the
>>> upmost professionalism.
>>> Sadly, you have to make the instant decision to get your kids in the
>>> house safely, or confront them. Of course you are going into your house,
>>> but in doing so, you expect the DCPD to resolve the matter with appropriate
>>> discipline.
>>> Even MY MOTHER would have disciplined me with greater intensity (MUCH
>>> MORE INTENSITY) than it seems like the officers did in this case, with
>>> these offenders.
>>> I hate that I have to consider a mindset of "protection" from my
>>> neighbors rather than the enjoyment of meeting and socializing with all of
>>> them. Who would be comfortable with that if they hear that police are
>>> called, yet the officers do more to excuse bad behavior than they do to
>>> to deter a pack mentality that forces needless destruction and intimidation
>>> onto neighbors for whom they likely do not even know?
>>> So sorry to hear Terry, and please keep us updated as this evolves.
>>> Thankful that your family is safe.
>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobs...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> **
>>>> Sounds pretty scary! What part of the neighborhood did this occur?
>>>> Brookland hardware sells pepper spray; you and your husband might consider
>>>> buying a can or two.
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Derek Swanson
>>>> On Irving
>>>> Sent from mobile phone.
>>>> On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Terri Nostrand <terri.nostr...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Captain Solberg,
>>>> A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak
>>>> knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of
>>>> people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her
>>>> and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife
>>>> out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because
>>>> the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing
>>>> rocks at our house.
>>>> When the cops showed they initially didn't believe my husband that the
>>>> girl had a knife. They searched her and found it in her possession. They
>>>> spoke to her, but did not detain or arrest her. Please help me understand
>>>> why police found someone with a concealed weapon, menacing and defacing
>>>> someone's private property and they just released her like that? Or a large
>>>> group of them threatening us and stoning our house and they just told them
>>>> to move along?
>>>> I came home with my young children in the middle of the police speaking
>>>> with the girl. I was verbally accosted while I shuffled my kids into the
>>>> house. The advice I was given was to not engage with them so that it
>>>> doesn't escalate. I simply came home and was called all sorts of racial
>>>> slurs- all in front of the cops. I don't know how I can do less to engage
>>>> that just quickly walking into my house. We have a mob of youth that
>>>> essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon
>>>> and what are we supposed to do about it? We were told to call if they do it
>>>> again. I guess we just wait until things get "really" dangerous?
>>>> Having witnessed the tail end and hearing about the weapon my children
>>>> are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell
>>>> me so that I can give them an answer?
>>>> Terri Nostrand
>>> --
>>> Shannon Marshall
>>> 202 329-8892 c
>> --
>> R. Ramson
>> 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
>> Washington D.C., 20017
>> 202-438-5988
>> "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
>> (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
The Brookland Cafe tries to impart the same amount of Healthy approach to
the Food with its use of its ingredients as I do on the internet with
educating against OPPRESSION. Some of the spices are foreign in nature.
Even with my Akita (my dog,) when we switch her food, her stomach initially
cannot handle it and she gets Diarrhea!! So, I understand all of your
feelings but I only ask that any of you - REFUTE what I have written. Since
you have tried and failed miserably, I suggest that you pay attention. The
reality is that the sooner this sick racist cycle is broken, the better we
as a community will be a community. It is all done out of love and
compassion. Refute that Rachael. Reality is what it is!
How about that for Succinct!!
Rob
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rachel Kaufman <rkaufma...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > As for 'Rob's' commentary - please try not to let somebody like him get
> to you. He's simply being an Internet Troll. Unfortunately, its far too
> easy for people to be so disrespectful and insensitive when they are
> shielded by the anonymity that email provides.
> Although as another list contributor may have mentioned, even posts on the
> (relatively) anonymous internet can have a big impact in the real world. I
> certainly have changed my opinion of Mr. Ramson's cafe since reading many
> of his rants on this listserv.
> Rachel
> 12/Girard
Don't Eat at the Cafe. If it closes, it closes. I will lease it out to
someone else. So you can sell that Koolaid if you want to but like I said,
I probably do more in this community than you and 10 of your closest
friends here. All Day, Every Day!! For years!
Like I said, my online persona is tame now as my facial reactions to some
of the Sick Crap that is written by you and your cohorts would really make
you get the message. You are welcome to join the rest and have a public
Forum. *I guarantee that when you do call it, lots of my silent supporters
will be there and trust and believe, I won't have to say a WORD!!!* We can
bet on that. Lets have a Forum on whether Rob Ramson makes sense!!
Questioning me questions the majority of Ward 5 - set it up!!
You see, what I say is REAL - it is from the "heart" and I back it up every
day with my actions in this community! You are just having a tough time
facing it and the fact that I won't let you contain me with $$$$$, *I am
sure that it is even more frustrating.* In the end, even if I die
tomorrow, there will be someone else who takes my place.
Trust me, if we don't fix this racist attitude as some of you are trying to
remain quiet and *hope you can buy enough houses here to press it away*,
the same youth that you and the rest are suffocating will travel to eat -
the crime will travel to greet you! Like I told you, the cost is too much
and the risk is too high to not heed what I am saying. Look around -
something is bound to happen to somebody you know. Don't let your friend
drink the Koolaid and die from your failure to act!!
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, JASON HAWKE <jha...@mac.com> wrote:
> **
> Yes, I agree. I use to be a supporter of the Brookland Cafe and patron.
> I've even personally met the owners at an ANC meeting a couple of years
> ago. I spoke in favor of them and their liquor license.
> Unfortunately I will no longer be patronizing his establishment. Not
> because I don't like the Cafe but because I don't want to be supporting
> somebody who is so divisive towards the community at large. I would suggest
> that as a business man he might learn to tame his online persona.
> Thanks,
> Jason in the 'thicket
> On Jun 12, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Rachel Kaufman wrote:
> >> As for 'Rob's' commentary - please try not to let somebody like him get
> to you. He's simply being an Internet Troll. Unfortunately, its far too
> easy for people to be so disrespectful and insensitive when they are
> shielded by the anonymity that email provides.
> > Although as another list contributor may have mentioned, even posts on
> the (relatively) anonymous internet can have a big impact in the real
> world. I certainly have changed my opinion of Mr. Ramson's cafe since
> reading many of his rants on this listserv.
> > Rachel
> > 12/Girard
I just wanted to make sure that you have taken a look at all the statements
and see that they all left out the Possibility of any wrong doing on the
"Plaintiff's" behalf. I simply asked the questions why this girl was
acting in this manner and why are everyone responding like no outside
variables on the husband's behalf occurred. If it was me, I would have
posted on this and not my just my wife. I would have at least jumped in
and said that I did nothing. The amazing thing is that you asked "What
could the husband possibly have even done to "deserve" this"? Let me tell
you that* if the Husband did do something* like said something racist or
almost hit the girl for crossing the street too slow, or to use your word
"ACCOSTED her in anyway, lets remember that she was attacking his vehicle
during her reaction!! That is destruction of property!
So, I have *8 HIGHLY Educated and Righteous RAISED blood sisters,* much
more righteous than you can ever imagine - so stand in line. Hear me when
I say - I am sure that some of you women have reacted violently by grabbing
something, hitting or throwing at your husband or boyfriend sometime
between 15 and present age! Even though you are so perfect now, Or maybe
you have forgotten. Should we arrest you as well!! Of course, you were
justified but whatever you picked up was a weapon just the same or what you
did is still classified as violent! Unless All of you are ANGELS!! How is
this any different to a Youth in a depressed area/environment with the
educational and unhealthy challenges that is constantly occurring, her Bad
reaction or even unsolicited action while definitely wrong - needs to be
addressed at the core!
But of Course, what does a "bad bad" man like me know other than these
occurrences will only increase if WE don't address them with. Who knows,
all this conversation and being open and the young girl could have just
been on Drugs or just picking on this White Family. Who knows? The one
thing it shows that some of us are open to hearing both sides and others
not as open. Maybe some growth will occur.
Now to some other issues - What you and many others seem to want is that I
receive all the condescending floral language with open arms. Well, I ain't
the one. *So you need to talk to all the rest about their tone so as not to
elicit a response from this "bad bad" man.* I don't respond kindly to
people who insult my intelligence and the intelligence of so many in our
Ward. I love the people who support me and have laid the path for the many
freedoms that I enjoy and this is one of the ways that I am appreciative of
all that has been done by them for this generation. That's why Books are
written and Classes like Afro American Studies are offered. That's Why
people sacrificed their life knowing that it would one day make a
difference to where most of us could live in a place that would be *"MORE
EQUAL"*?
Like I said, let's have that forum and start discussing *how people in this
community really feel about the "perfect" language" that is used* on this
internet and throughout the community to try to make the rest of us seem
like we are STUPID and incapable of making decisions for ourselves. I and
others hear exactly what our "wonderful neighbors" are saying. This is no
different in calling me "invective" and "flaming" when I addressed all the
Crap and Wrongful things against the Cafe and Me being a "drug dealer, Pimp
and .........." But of course, I should take that with a smile. Yet, none
of you who are condemning me now has ever condemned the Padous, Feeley and
the rest. Imagine the hate that occurred for 3 years but all that was OK
with you and now you protest the Cafe - Laugh!! How Racist and Prejudice
you are? Do you even care how many families it cost them their income and
their Christmas? Of course not! *I bet if we were White, the Cafe would
already have outdoor seating because only Blacks "serve alcohol outside of
where is not legally allowed and of course, only Blacks drive Cars and need
Parking, and only Blacks run a "after hours spot", seedy operation, W**re
House and shouldn't be able to utilize a back door attached to a Inn! *Did
I ever share that Manomale is ran by two young White Men and have gotten a
liquor license within 6 months with NO PARKING and about to get outdoor
seating WITH NO PARKING!! *Interesting isn't it!!* You don't see the
Crime there??
Never once have I seen any of you admonish any of the folks who commit
those crimes! But - I guess you don't see the knives/malice/hate that is
involved in that either. It was cool when this 901 developers was abusive
to the adjacent neighbors and to our agreement with OP. But then somehow
never doing anything to this Shameka Brown and to all you "boycotters of
the Cafe",* I am a "bad bad" man.* Go Figure. So you know, the reason
that the Cafe is quiet is because I have temporary/permantly lost
"friendships" because I don't tolerate much stupidity in or around my
building! Same with all the blocks that I live on. How about I lost a
budding and respected friendship because I saw an Young Black Man drinking
almost every day and addressed that! Jerry was present at *1am* on
Saturday Night when I risked my life just to make Reel in a "threatening"
African American Male who stepped out of line (who had an entourage of
about 6 with him) - not much different than I have to Reel in some on this
internet who do hide behind their Computers. But Wonderful People like you
allow the Tom's of the world to THREATEN me and SAY nothing. Isn't that so
nice and "neighborly" of you! What about his Violent TONE!! Like I said,
trust and believe me when I say that MANY in Ward 5 share the exact
feelings that I state on this internet and making me wrong makes them all
wrong. But of course, what is quite "CLEAR" to you few White responders,
the rest of us just don't have the education to see for ourselves"!! As
for the 1 - Shameka Brown - I am still waiting on why I am a "Bad Bad man!
Don't see any of you asking her that question like I don't see any of you
asking Shannon Marshall why she thinks that the Husband may have some more
to share!
The fact that anyone can say that I am "blaming" the victims" is idiotic.
Until we know what happened, our only concern is the safety of that
family. Which is what the Police did. Like I said, *had the police made
an arrest that evening, there might have been some repercussions for that
family*. From a Criminal Justice Training and perspective, it was good to
detox the situation and let things calm down, gather information and then
follow up.
As for me - let's have that Forum and I will show you and the rest of my
"haters" how you have wronged me and wronged this community in MANY more
WAYS for failing to stand for justice so many other times. Let's have that
Moment of Truth! See how many attend and I bet you I wouldn't even have to
say 1 word in my defense but you know I will as I want to embarrass you to
the point that we all become equal humans so that we can fight against the
same crimes to society together and make a difference! Let's not pick and
choose just the Black Crimes or just the Black CM's! If you want to share
compassion, let's share compassion across the board. So you know, silence
from my many supporters is the *HIGHEST of REGARDS* - *an ACCOLADE* that
boycotting the Cafe and Inn can't purchase!!
*"Silence when one should protest, makes cowards of men. (A. Lincoln) So I
refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!! (M. Gandhi)
*
Rob Ramson.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jessica Christy <jessicac7...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I'd suggest that you look at the tone, emphasis, and language of your
> responses to the people regarding this specific issue. It is clear to me
> and several other people on this list serve from your own responses that
> you are blaming the victims not merely asking questions. If you do not want
> people to believe this is your intention then look at your own responses to
> Shannon to understand why and what you can do to change this perception.
> Your response to me was significantly more measured, but still gives the
> impression that it was the husband who "started" this.
> Community Buildingly Yours,
> Jessica
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Rob <indian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Jessica,
> There are couple things at hand here:
> 1. You and maybe others actually think that I think that the husband or
> this family DESERVES this type of behavior!! So, I will add that to the
> list of things that I get blamed for!
> 2. You and others failure to want to believe that there could be an act
> of some sort that this could have been a reaction to something - a bad
> reaction, but a reaction never-the-less.
> 3. You and others sick idea that I blame the victim. Maybe you didn't
> read properly, but burglary, robbery, and let me add rape, etc are non
> instigated crimes. Something like this could have added variables.
> But I want you to rephrase your question and ask Shannon Marshall the same
> question that you are asking me as *she obviously admitted that the
> Husband could have more to share.* Maybe the rest of you can ask her the
> same question.
> As to me accosting victims, I am glad that the family is safe but I still
> wonder why this happened. If me asking questions is accosting, then the
> police will be accosting soon to get to the bottom of it.
> DON'T forget to ASK SHANNON the same question - be fair!!!
> Rob
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Jessica Christy <jessicac7...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> What could the husband possibly have even done to "deserve" this? Your
>> blame the victim mentality does not help in
